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| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setun | 00:00 |
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| genehacker | unrelated | 00:00 |
| genehacker | when you read it, you'll **** bricks | 00:00 |
| fenn | you must be shitting me | 00:02 |
| fenn | Toyota is NOT the reason we have "open source" | 00:03 |
| fenn | and you've mixed a metaphor or something | 00:03 |
| fenn | memes reproduce by transferring from one mind/culture to another | 00:03 |
| genehacker | NO TOYOTA IS NOT THE REASON WE HAVE OPEN SOURCE | 00:03 |
| fenn | so horizontal meme transfer would be like a meme splitting in two inside one mind? (wank) | 00:04 |
| genehacker | they do something similar to open source for the same reason it is good | 00:04 |
| genehacker | or transfer between Toyota cells in this case | 00:05 |
| fenn | please take your disgusting worldview elsewhere | 00:05 |
| genehacker | well think about it fenn toyota, walmart, target, macdonald's, burger king, all function like highly specialized units. | 00:06 |
| genehacker | some even follow similar developmental patterns | 00:07 |
| fenn | corporations don't create people | 00:07 |
| fenn | they merely exploit them | 00:07 |
| genehacker | for example, you always tend to find MacDonalds by a road, not out in the middle of nowhere | 00:07 |
| genehacker | yeah | 00:07 |
| genehacker | but they do exhibit the capability to grow, and spread | 00:08 |
| genehacker | but really look at it fenn, macdonalds behave almost like cells | 00:09 |
| genehacker | albeit cancerous ones | 00:10 |
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| genehacker | macdonald's and such don't follow a body plan | 00:13 |
| genehacker | which is too bad, cuz I'd like to see cities self-organize into arcologies, | 00:18 |
| genehacker | now then what happens when you introduce non-specialized cells into the system, capable of doing much more than the specialized ones | 00:24 |
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| genehacker | oh crap I just posted philosophy | 01:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | genehacker: Knowledge Management is like a 10 years old discipline now. | 02:12 |
| UtopiahGHML | (doesn't necesseraly have a well define paradigm and is effective though but... it exists and people make money out of it.) | 02:13 |
| genehacker | I'd say even older | 02:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep, 2009, guess way older, anyway my point is, that provides a framework to analyze what you describe I think | 02:14 |
| genehacker | yeah I guess so | 02:15 |
| genehacker | for anyone who is still up, here's an interesting tidbit: http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/Poisson.html | 02:15 |
| genehacker | http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE2D61538F937A25757C0A961948260 | 02:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | never heard of Jaron Lanier before , checking out his work | 02:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | oh yeah the dread lock guy :P | 02:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok ok CS IA/VR from Berkeley | 02:19 |
| fenn | i've been reading his column in discover magazine, looks like he gets into all sort of stuff | 02:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | yes, Ive read few things from him on Edge.org and few other sites but to be honest, none of his "work" papers, mostly philosophical point of views (even if highly articulated I admit) | 02:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | random thought : anybody read a paper on simulation to design the most effective religion for mass control? like using game theory + multi agent-system for with evolutionary ethics having for fitness the number of followers? sth along those lines? | 02:28 |
| fenn | sounds like something you might have read on SL4 | 02:29 |
| UtopiahGHML | is there a way to search SL4 archives? | 02:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok, got other things to do, guess I won't design my new religion today then | 02:32 |
| fenn | i'm not terribly disappointed | 02:33 |
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| kanzure | hm, awake yet again | 02:55 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: to search sl4 archives, use site:sl4.org <search term>. | 02:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | right, didn't think about using google archive, thx | 02:57 |
| kanzure | fenn, what the hell was genehacker smoking? | 02:57 |
| kanzure | isn't he anti open source still anyway? | 02:58 |
| genehacker | I don't smoke kanzure | 02:58 |
| genehacker | I like my lungs too much | 02:58 |
| kanzure | rather attache to them, huh | 02:58 |
| kanzure | *attached | 02:59 |
| kanzure | oh, I know what it reminded me of | 02:59 |
| kanzure | that old cult, organelle | 02:59 |
| kanzure | Okay. Back to sleep for me. | 03:00 |
| genehacker | I think you or your clone are posting on 4chan | 03:01 |
| genehacker | I'm working on this. I'm building a "real-life tech tree" in software (linking together encyclopedia-like summary articles, dependency graphs (eg "sand unlocks glass"), location-sensitive resource extraction (eg can't find whateversulfite minerals in southeast north america), etc.). Slowly, though. It's just me, and my shitty php/mysql-skills, and my greater affinity for physical action and... | 03:03 |
| genehacker | ...the outdoors, and my dozen other projects... | 03:03 |
| genehacker | IF THIS INTERESTS ANYONE, you could help by: 1) finding the tech-tree info for some tech you have an interest in, and 2) doing it yourself - a million-times better and faster - instead of me. | 03:03 |
| genehacker | /quasithreadhijack | 03:03 |
| kanzure | post a link to me. | 03:03 |
| kanzure | or open manufacturing | 03:03 |
| genehacker | http://img.4chan.org/r9k/res/2971302.html#2971535 | 03:03 |
| kanzure | um | 03:03 |
| genehacker | it's on 4chan | 03:03 |
| kanzure | wow, that came out wrong | 03:03 |
| genehacker | turn off images | 03:04 |
| kanzure | "post a link [to him] to me" | 03:04 |
| kanzure | that's still wrong, let me go again | 03:04 |
| kanzure | "post a link [to him] to me [for him]" | 03:04 |
| genehacker | also talks about basement semiconductors | 03:05 |
| genehacker | 4chan of all places | 03:06 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you'll find that many of our brightest are on 4chan | 03:06 |
| kanzure | SomethingAwful and 4chan have played central roles in my life, as awkwardd as that sounds | 03:07 |
| genehacker | really? | 03:07 |
| kanzure | *awkward | 03:07 |
| kanzure | yes | 03:07 |
| kanzure | the Singularity Institute research group was actually being ran by a ringleader guy who was a SomethingAwful goon | 03:07 |
| genehacker | You are kidding me | 03:07 |
| kanzure | and even before that, back to 2003, and 2004, I had some 4chan connections | 03:07 |
| kanzure | no. | 03:07 |
| genehacker | I have just started posting on 4chan | 03:08 |
| kanzure | I was surprised to learn that fenn didn't have a 4chan background, actually | 03:09 |
| kanzure | I used to waste quite a lot of my time on that server :/ | 03:09 |
| kanzure | I wonder when Monroe is going to publish his xkcd graphs in arxiv. | 03:18 |
| genehacker | Awesome, thanks for the links! | 03:19 |
| genehacker | Basement semiconductors: | 03:19 |
| genehacker | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeriellsworth/ | 03:19 |
| genehacker | http://www.vimeo.com/jeri | 03:19 |
| genehacker | BONUS: by a cute, intelligent (autodidactic), red-head. | 03:19 |
| genehacker | (If anyone digs up better links, post!) | 03:19 |
| kanzure | genehacker: post Meredith. | 03:19 |
| genehacker | Meredith? | 03:20 |
| kanzure | woman doing amatuer biohacking in her dining room | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.thesmartpolitenerd.com/ | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_L._Patterson | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | "Meredith L. Patterson is a polymath technologist and science fiction author. She has spoken at numerous industry conferences on a wide range of topics.[1] She is also a prolific blogger and software developer, and a leading figure in the biopunk movement." | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | hahahah | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | "leading figure" | 03:20 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126881.400-genetic-manpulation-now-becoming-a-hobby.html?full=true&print=true | 03:21 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iRSS0kTpewoh8MnLmbxkQsCBWfUwD95A49D00 | 03:21 |
| kanzure3 | and then include a link to diybio.org | 03:21 |
| kanzure3 | bonus points: married to a best friend of Mr. Bit Torrent himself | 03:23 |
| kanzure3 | if you don't post it, I will :) | 03:24 |
| kanzure3 | <--- is a karma whore | 03:24 |
| genehacker | uh just posted a non ideal post | 03:29 |
| genehacker | heh don't we all whore karma? | 03:29 |
| genehacker | http://www.vimeo.com/2643624 | 03:29 |
| fenn | eh where do you go about getting these wafers? | 03:34 |
| kanzure | Circuit Girl doesn't seem to be doing anything in her basement but playing with arcade machines | 03:34 |
| kanzure | which is fine of course, but still | 03:34 |
| fenn | stuff! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeriellsworth/sets/72157607161498665/ | 03:35 |
| kanzure | maybe if you waive your arms around fast enough, it will appear like actual work is being done | 03:38 |
| genehacker | you buy them fenn | 03:40 |
| genehacker | unless you got a way to grow em.... | 03:41 |
| genehacker | wonder if there is a way to have biology make them | 03:41 |
| fenn | yeah, oysters.. hah | 03:42 |
| kanzure | GRG runs around the globe confirming 110+ age longevity claims, | 03:43 |
| kanzure | we need something like that for "confirmed polymaths" | 03:43 |
| kanzure | except not 'tested' per-se.. something Other | 03:43 |
| kanzure | just would be a fun list to have | 03:43 |
| fenn | huh the wafers are a lot cheaper than i expected http://cgi.ebay.com/6-inch-Silicon-Wafer-Dummy-Grade_W0QQitemZ320297218437QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0 | 03:50 |
| fenn | oh min qty 1000 | 03:50 |
| fenn | hmmm | 03:50 |
| fenn | still seems you can find them in small qty for a couple hundred bucks | 03:53 |
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| fenn | The U.S. Navy has developed a flight suit for helicopter pilots that delivers little puffs of air on the side of the pilot’s body as his helicopter tilts in that direction. The pilot responds to the puffs by tilting away from them, and the suit passes those signals on to the helicopter’s steering controls. Pilots who train with this system can learn to fly blindfolded or to carry out complex maneuvers, such as holding the helic | 06:07 |
| fenn | magazine article from The Future!! | 06:08 |
| fenn | 2009/feb | 06:08 |
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| UtopiahGHML | Potomac, MD, to develop a beta biomass engine system which will be used to power RTI's Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot (EATR(TM)), a project sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Defense Sciences Office. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS141880+28-Jan-2009+MW20090128 | 10:31 |
| fenn | does it eat slugs? | 10:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | according to CyberpunkReview it could potentially eat PETA members ;) | 10:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | (joke about robots going vegan and stuff) | 10:37 |
| fenn | "radial six-cylinder, 16HP Waste Heat Engine" seems kinda overkill | 10:38 |
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| fenn | "Hikkikomori Quest" (a near-farcical parody of the Pokemon Game Boy games) in which the protagonist is flamed on 4-chan then goes to the shop to buy food due to the act that he ran out but also to prove to himself that he can go outside and come back home in one piece. | 11:02 |
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| ppk | do any of you guys download your textbooks online? | 11:47 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:49 |
| ppk | what do you use? | 11:50 |
| ppk | I'm trying to get "Molecular Genetics of Bacteria " | 11:50 |
| kanzure | oh, you're in luck | 11:51 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Molecular_Genetics_of_Bacteria | 11:51 |
| kanzure3 | oops: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Molecular_genetics_of_bacteria | 11:51 |
| kanzure3 | sorry, got the name wrong. | 11:52 |
| fenn | O-o | 11:55 |
| fenn | i had that book | 11:55 |
| fenn | gave it to a nursing student | 11:56 |
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| kanzure3 | http://sproutward.org/ <- Alec Resnick in disguise | 11:56 |
| kanzure3 | http://blogs.thesprouts.org/ | 11:56 |
| pppk | bryan, how do you access the chapters? | 11:57 |
| kanzure3 | magic. one sec. | 11:57 |
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| kanzure | I don't think I have it on the server. Sorry. :-( | 11:58 |
| fenn | gee does boston really need another hardware hacking space? | 11:58 |
| pppk | shoot | 11:58 |
| kanzure | nublabs, fablabs, diybio, any others? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | NY has NYCresistor, but that's irrelevant I guess | 11:59 |
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| fenn | uh, some other mit-ish thing i cant remember | 12:00 |
| kanzure | media lab? :p | 12:00 |
| kanzure | but MIT doesn't count- I'm sure they have 20x machine shops on campus | 12:00 |
| fenn | hmmers or something | 12:01 |
| fenn | electronics mostly | 12:01 |
| fenn | say, this looks rather familiar http://www.nublabs.org/ | 12:02 |
| kanzure | hrm | 12:03 |
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| kanzure | I should go call Alec out on this | 12:04 |
| fenn | Mechpy is a Python package to make the process of designing and building constrained, mechanical systems easier. Eventually, we'd like to hook mechpy up to existing catalogues of mechanical parts and assemblies to make designing for available materials a matter of process, rather than a point of friction in the design process. | 12:05 |
| kanzure | blah | 12:05 |
| kanzure3 | http://github.com/aresnick/nub.mechpy/tree/master | 12:05 |
| kanzure3 | gee, thanks alec for not mentioning it | 12:05 |
| fenn | i wonder if nublabs is just changing names | 12:06 |
| kanzure | what the fuck | 12:22 |
| kanzure | that was the CIA? | 12:22 |
| fenn | heh | 12:25 |
| fenn | not what you expected? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | I don't know if handing myself over to the CIA is on my todo list | 12:28 |
| fenn | handing yourself over? | 12:31 |
| fenn | just think of the databases you could access! :) | 12:31 |
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| kanzure3 | http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=f7an36ght5h93tqu | 12:47 |
| kanzure3 | doodle works out pretty well for lab meetings. | 12:47 |
| fenn | daytimer bias inherent in the software.. sheesh | 12:50 |
| kanzure3 | the professor had me remove the other hours, sorry | 12:50 |
| kanzure3 | personally most of my free time is after 6 pm these days :) but apparently that's not a good time for a lab meeting, even though we all live on campus? | 12:51 |
| fenn | why add artificial constraints I always say | 12:51 |
| fenn | hey at least it's plain html | 12:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | ppk: I was using textbooktorrents till it died :/ | 12:54 |
| fenn | huh. can you scan and return a textbook right after you buy it? | 12:58 |
| fenn | (btw was there ever any evidence for alec's mythical book scanner?) | 12:59 |
| UtopiahGHML | (now I just use Bitme and isohunt but Id like to have more information on the ebook group Elohim, they seem to release a lot of recent material including some interesting Springer books) | 13:01 |
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| fenn | wow bitme sounds just awful | 13:11 |
| fenn | does it actually work? | 13:12 |
| fenn | majecki on flakk.org #bookwarez/#bw used to be great, gone now though | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep but you don't have 0day content so doesn't really worth the trouble, few blogs for ebooks are better | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | but if you need some educational videos, and quickly, bitme is ok | 13:14 |
| kanzure | I don't understand 0day torrents. how do they sustain themselves if people (like me) can't figure out where to submit 0days? | 13:14 |
| fenn | it's linked into the warez irc channels somehow | 13:14 |
| kanzure | rizon, perhaps | 13:14 |
| UtopiahGHML | well torrent is just a way, you still have scene releases | 13:15 |
| fenn | scene releases? | 13:15 |
| kanzure | What? | 13:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep, according to quality rules with nfo and a defined information stream | 13:16 |
| kanzure | ? | 13:16 |
| UtopiahGHML | by teams | 13:16 |
| UtopiahGHML | "old school warez" | 13:17 |
| fenn | i've never heard that phrase before | 13:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | the scene? really? | 13:17 |
| fenn | oh, "the scene" | 13:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | like http://nfodb.net/section_7_ebook_nfo.html with groups | 13:20 |
| fenn | wonder why they put the publisher on everything.. taunting them | 13:22 |
| UtopiahGHML | becaues they have to, it's "the rules" of "the scene" :P | 13:23 |
| kanzure | this still doesn't tell me how to up-push a 0day to the right people | 13:23 |
| fenn | stupid rules | 13:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | well if you have pre-released material you should contact a team (like ELOHiM or DDU for ebooks) that's what they are for, to deliver | 13:24 |
| kanzure | huh? These teams accept submissions? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | Do you know of any others? | 13:25 |
| UtopiahGHML | ideally you'd check sth like http://dupe-hq.info/index.php?search=Ebook. and see which one best fit your material | 13:25 |
| kanzure | yay | 13:26 |
| kanzure | I'll get to that when I'm done with this episode of Haruhi. | 13:26 |
| fenn | hah | 13:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | usually inside the .nfo they leave some contact info | 13:26 |
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| UtopiahGHML | http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/893?ref=rss "The images showed users doing typical tasks on their systems, but the company easily picked out four screenshots that showed malware analysts running advanced tools to reverse engineer the program." :P | 13:41 |
| fenn | reminds me of spy vs spy in mad magazine | 13:44 |
| fenn | Among the images viewed by SecureWorks were screenshots that showed a user searching for pornography of underaged girls, Stewart said. The company referred the case to the FBI. | 13:45 |
| fenn | i think that would take some serious lawyering | 13:45 |
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| kanzure3 | Age 108: first reached in 1837 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 110: first reached in 1898 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 111: first reached in 1925 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 113: first reached in 1928 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 114: first reached in 1987 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 115: first reached in 1990 | 14:42 |
| kanzure3 | Age 122: first reached in 1997 | 14:42 |
| kanzure | http://mechpy.nublabs.org/ | 14:51 |
| kanzure3 | http://github.com/sproutward/diyhealth/blob/dff4fbd6fbca04ca845e51ba41fea67a66d9a24a/journal.rst chronic neck pain? | 14:55 |
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| kanzure3 | fenn: http://github.com/aresnick/aresnick/blob/4792af83e48082141a895e19ca3bdd8bfdb9a695/Documents/journal.org what do you think's going on here? | 15:16 |
| kanzure3 | the syntax is unfamiliar to me | 15:16 |
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| kanzure3 | * DONE [#B] Respond to Bryan Bishop :grasping: DEADLINE: <2009-01-16 Fri> CLOCK: [2009-01-16 Fri 01:00]--[2009-01-16 Fri 01:19] => 0:19 - Emailed about faultiness of open source analogy | 15:23 |
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| wrldpc | 429?@rez | 15:36 |
| kanzure3 | http://mit.edu/harold/Public/linkage/ "This page provides instructions and Python source code for simulating the behavior of mechanical linkages using Rigidity theory. The software was written to simulate the behavior of transformable Penrose tilings, but is general enough to simulate many planar linkages." | 15:36 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.pythonengineering.com/kinematics.html | 15:38 |
| kanzure3 | oh, just a brand name, ignore | 15:38 |
| kanzure3 | /home/aresnick/nub/projects/mechpy/solvers/ | 15:41 |
| kanzure3 | oh, it moved | 15:43 |
| kanzure3 | that took forever | 15:43 |
| kanzure3 | http://github.com/wbosworth/nub.mechpy/tree/master | 15:43 |
| kanzure3 | git clone | 15:44 |
| kanzure3 | git clone git://github.com/wbosworth/nub.mechpy.git | 15:44 |
| kanzure3 | hehe, def convert(value, unit_1, unit_2) | 15:45 |
| Utopiah | (potential illustration for DNA work http://www.bobbiecarlylesculpture.com/images/SelfMadeMan.jpg ) | 15:52 |
| kanzure3 | http://blogs.sun.com/hinkmond/resource/images/Drawing-Hands-M-C--Escher-180592.jpg | 15:53 |
| kanzure3 | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/shanewillis.jpg | 15:53 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: I wouldn't mind having that sculpture sitting on my desk as a paperweight. | 15:54 |
| Utopiah | yep made me think of Eschers drawing hands too | 15:54 |
| Utopiah | (didn't know the tech versoin though) | 15:55 |
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| wrldpc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoCQ9WcKAUM | 16:34 |
| wrldpc | Geordi cleaning house sans visor. | 16:36 |
| kanzure3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem | 17:06 |
| kanzure3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_equivalence_checking "Formal equivalence checking process is a part of electronic design automation (EDA), commonly used during the development of digital integrated circuits, to formally prove that two representations of a circuit design exhibit exactly the same behavior." | 17:10 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.doulos.com/knowhow/psl/ | 17:12 |
| kanzure3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_algebra | 17:14 |
| kanzure3 | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=400508 "Dependency analysis in constraint negotiation" | 17:25 |
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| kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Inference%20in%20a%20mechanical%20design%20compiler.pdf <-- fenn, 1989 paper. non-geometric constraints considered (i.e., torques) | 18:01 |
| kanzure3 | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100&hl=en&lr=&cites=8734708539492621535 | 18:02 |
| kanzure3 | neat, there's a book on mechanical design compilers (by the same name) | 18:03 |
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| PeerInfinity | so, um... hi again :) | 19:05 |
| PeerInfinity | please excuse my ignorance, but is there a hplusroadmap wiki? | 19:09 |
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| genehacker | kanzure any website out there with dimensions of tube fittings? | 22:24 |
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