| --- Day changed Sun Feb 01 2009 | ||
| kanzure | genehacker: yes | 00:24 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pipes.zip | 00:24 |
| genehacker | SWEET | 00:24 |
| kanzure | PeerInfinity: yes | 00:24 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | 00:24 |
| genehacker | as threaded fittings that connect to plastic tubes | 00:24 |
| kanzure | yes, I believe so | 00:25 |
| kanzure | it's the ANSI tubing standards in that zip file that you want | 00:25 |
| kanzure | if not, I have a book that I can share with you (it's sitting on top of this monitor at the moment) | 00:25 |
| kanzure | "Process Pipe Drafting" | 00:25 |
| kanzure | has a full appendix of all sorts of wacky standards | 00:25 |
| fenn | enjoying reading alec's journal | 00:55 |
| fenn | "topic: I need to be able to pull out my productivity rating and mash | 00:55 |
| fenn | it up with keeping track of everything else I'm doing! " | 00:55 |
| PeerInfinity | yay, the wiki actually loads this time :D | 00:57 |
| PeerInfinity | I think I asked before, but the wiki was down... | 00:57 |
| PeerInfinity | once again, congratulations on all the awesome work you're doing :D | 00:58 |
| kanzure | huh, so | 01:03 |
| kanzure | I was talking with Max More and friends tonight (it was his birthday), | 01:03 |
| kanzure | Jon Lebkowsky was at the party- he's doing unptnt, Austin Commerce Exchange, Convergence, Plutopia, etc., - | 01:03 |
| kanzure | and it turns out, GBN, the Stewart Brand / Lanier stuff, really *is* a front for the CIA | 01:03 |
| PeerInfinity | there was also a party for Max More in SL today :) | 01:05 |
| kanzure | yes, well, our party was better | 01:05 |
| kanzure | he was handing out ecstasy | 01:05 |
| PeerInfinity | I'm not surprised :) | 01:05 |
| PeerInfinity | here's a log of the silly SL party: :P http://cosmeng.org/publicwiki/index.php/Chat_Logs/2009-01-31 | 01:06 |
| kanzure | anyway, Jon might be a potential funder of some of the stuff we do in here | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | anyway, a quick analysis of the hplusroadmap wiki: | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | 2111 pages on the OCE wiki | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | 490 pages on the hplusroadmap wiki | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | 5 pages on the OCE wiki that have the same name as a page on the hplusroadmap wiki: | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | Graphviz | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | Links | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | Main Page | 01:06 |
| kanzure | certainly in getting an Austin Fab Lab or superfablab | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | OSCOMAK | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | Politics | 01:06 |
| PeerInfinity | do I have your permission to mirror the pages from the hplusroadmap wiki on the OCE wiki? :) | 01:07 |
| kanzure | go ahead | 01:07 |
| PeerInfinity | thanks :) | 01:07 |
| kanzure | I'd like you to point links back to my server though, or something | 01:07 |
| PeerInfinity | yes, I plan to :) | 01:08 |
| PeerInfinity | you are now one of only three transhumanists I know of that have an IRC channel and a publicly editable wiki: there's SL4.org, there's cosmeng.org, and there's you :) | 01:08 |
| PeerInfinity | three transhumanist groups* | 01:09 |
| PeerInfinity | though the SL4 chatroom and wiki are kinda dead now... | 01:10 |
| kanzure | wta has a wiki | 01:10 |
| PeerInfinity | oh? I looked, and didn't find one... | 01:10 |
| kanzure | don't know where it is though | 01:10 |
| PeerInfinity | is this it? http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/wiki/Revamp/ | 01:11 |
| kanzure | sounds like it | 01:11 |
| fenn | kanzure: lanier isnt on the gbn page anywhere, how do you get that he is associated with it? | 01:11 |
| PeerInfinity | bah, there's only a handful of pages, and it was last updated in June 2008 :P | 01:12 |
| fenn | you might as well say RU sirius is working for the CIA (he probably has at some point) | 01:14 |
| kanzure | http://360.monitor.com/ | 01:15 |
| kanzure | hm, we were talking about RU Sirius and his recent post on RealitySandwhich | 01:15 |
| kanzure | ooh, Jon, by the way, has stacks of Whole Earth Magazine copies, and is apparently helping some others publish them on the web for free :-) | 01:15 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.gbn.com/people/network.php Rob Carlson? | 01:19 |
| kanzure3 | K. Eric Drexler | 01:19 |
| kanzure3 | Freeman Dyson | 01:19 |
| kanzure3 | Engelbart .. Fukuyama .. Gibson .. Hillis .. Kevin Kelly .. aha, Jaron Lanier | 01:20 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.gbn.com/people/network.php?page_num=3&total_pages=5& | 01:20 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.gbn.com/people/peopledetail.php?id=15 | 01:20 |
| kanzure3 | "President and founder, the Arlington Institute; specialist in national security issues; author, Out of the Blue: Wild Cards and Other Big Future Surprises and The Road to 2015" (for John Petersen) | 01:21 |
| kanzure3 | hah | 01:21 |
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| --- Log opened Sun Feb 01 01:30:11 2009 | ||
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| kanzure3_ | http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/01/29/waterpod-floating-eco-home/ from Eric Hunting | 01:30 |
| kanzure | hm, Alec has been using 'emacs org mode' | 01:30 |
| kanzure | anyone know what this is? | 01:31 |
| fenn | http://orgmode.org/ | 01:31 |
| kanzure | hm, an outliner. | 01:32 |
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| PeerInfinity | the hplusroadmap wiki is still down. I'm going to bed now, I'll check again tomorrow | 01:32 |
| kanzure | odd, it loads for me :( | 01:33 |
| PeerInfinity | I'm still getting that same error message | 01:33 |
| PeerInfinity | I guess the problem could be at my end | 01:33 |
| fenn | is there a way to merge two forks of a mediawiki? | 01:33 |
| kanzure | hahah | 01:33 |
| kanzure | no, but there might be a plugin | 01:33 |
| * fenn rolls eyes | 01:34 | |
| kanzure | I mean, they allow page-by-page merging or something | 01:34 |
| fenn | that works, as long as it's fairly automated | 01:34 |
| PeerInfinity | I would use Araxis Merge on an XML dump of the two wikis :) | 01:34 |
| kanzure | I know they do that when there are two people editing at the same time | 01:34 |
| PeerInfinity | or, if there are no conflicting page edits, you could just import the whole XML dump of one wiki into the other... | 01:36 |
| kanzure | so I don't know if I believe this or not, but mom and I went out to dinner tonight, | 01:37 |
| kanzure | and apparently, the old man she's living with now used to be in the CIA, working for Lockheed Martin | 01:37 |
| PeerInfinity | oh, and it's not just the wiki that I can't connect to, I can't load any pages at heybryan.org | 01:37 |
| kanzure | uh | 01:37 |
| kanzure | I am still able to load the pages | 01:37 |
| kanzure | can somebody else confirm? | 01:38 |
| fenn | slow but works.. | 01:38 |
| fenn | jeez aresnick's personal git repo is up to 335mb and still only 24% done | 01:39 |
| kanzure | anyway, I've about had enough of this 'I might be rolling a startup' dealy- everyone that I have been talking with has been more than enthusiastic about "the scene" | 01:39 |
| PeerInfinity | my ISP is kinda unreliable :P | 01:39 |
| kanzure | so I just need to find somebody interested enough to dump some cash into this | 01:39 |
| kanzure | David@Ponoko might be able to help with 'legitimacy' on that front | 01:39 |
| kanzure | Jon knows Mr. O'Reilly himself (and everyone else, it seems), so there's that, .. | 01:40 |
| PeerInfinity | random question: how many ideas did you submit to the Google 10^100 project? | 01:40 |
| fenn | unrelated | 01:40 |
| kanzure | unrelated? | 01:40 |
| fenn | o'reilly is unrelated | 01:40 |
| kanzure | to Make Magazine? | 01:40 |
| fenn | blarg | 01:40 |
| kanzure | huh? | 01:40 |
| fenn | i didnt know o'reilly published make | 01:40 |
| kanzure | wtf. yes :) | 01:41 |
| kanzure | they have an iron grip over it. | 01:41 |
| fenn | anyway isnt make the enemy? :) | 01:41 |
| kanzure | yes :) | 01:41 |
| kanzure | know thy enemy? | 01:41 |
| kanzure | I think I need a better way to organize all of the people that are interested in going with this 'startup' | 01:42 |
| kanzure | but on the other hand, I'd rather have it all public | 01:43 |
| fenn | PeerInfinity: i ignored 10^100 because of the video submission requirement | 01:43 |
| kanzure | but on the other hand, I don't want to flood the OM list | 01:43 |
| kanzure | actually, why not. Chronciling my work on OM is just fine | 01:44 |
| kanzure | what could be more relevant? | 01:44 |
| fenn | indeed | 01:44 |
| fenn | dont want to be accused of "not enough transparency" again :) | 01:44 |
| kanzure | you know you're evil for being on IRC, right? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | or something like that | 01:45 |
| * kanzure still wonders about Paul.. | 01:45 | |
| fenn | IRC is the den of hackers and criminals right? | 01:45 |
| fenn | despite being plaintext and centralized etc | 01:45 |
| fenn | silly hacker | 01:45 |
| PeerInfinity | video submission requirement? I didn't think videos were required... | 01:45 |
| kanzure | another individual approached me tonight asking about a public biohacking space in Austin | 01:46 |
| kanzure | I certainly have the group arranged sort of, but no public space, or even garage | 01:46 |
| fenn | if you have a group, someone's bound to have a garage | 01:46 |
| kanzure | we're mostly college students | 01:46 |
| kanzure | so we're also constrained by needing to have somebody within the Austin Metro bus route distance | 01:47 |
| kanzure | actlab is probably going to have to be it | 01:47 |
| kanzure | not that I'm trying to impose on them or anything | 01:47 |
| fenn | i think you should impose the hell out of them | 01:47 |
| fenn | i mean what else are they doing? goth costumes? | 01:48 |
| kanzure | I guess. what else are they doing? dancing? | 01:48 |
| kanzure | heh | 01:48 |
| kanzure | are we all just clones of each other? | 01:48 |
| fenn | cultural saturation | 01:49 |
| kanzure | that's bad, right? | 01:49 |
| fenn | um, and alec appears to be my genetic clone, fwiw | 01:49 |
| kanzure | genetic? | 01:49 |
| PeerInfinity | goodnight | 01:49 |
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| kanzure | he's an emacs user, so ;-) | 01:49 |
| fenn | meh | 01:49 |
| fenn | we're all at least 47th cousins | 01:50 |
| kanzure | so I was interacting with another machine shop the other day | 01:50 |
| kanzure | down below the engineering science building. | 01:50 |
| kanzure | and it's like they are the "mole men" | 01:50 |
| kanzure | I was talking with one of the machinists / journeymen, | 01:51 |
| kanzure | and it's just odd. these are the guys maintaining the beating heart of technical civilization, | 01:51 |
| kanzure | and they seem to be rather clueless | 01:51 |
| kanzure | or "slow" | 01:51 |
| kanzure | I don't know how to put it | 01:51 |
| kanzure | they're not stupid, really, but there's something weird going on there | 01:51 |
| fenn | one moment while i think of the word.. | 01:51 |
| fenn | starts with an M and sounds sort of like "moloch" or "mordok" or something | 01:52 |
| kanzure | is it a word I know? | 01:52 |
| fenn | probably not | 01:53 |
| * fenn shakes fist at google's lack of regex | 01:54 | |
| kanzure | I'm about to head off to bed | 01:54 |
| kanzure | were you offering to write up the list of tools for inventory.html ? | 01:54 |
| kanzure | erm, comparison.html | 01:54 |
| kanzure | in some semi-standard/comparable manner | 01:54 |
| fenn | morlock | 01:54 |
| kanzure | ah, the Wells under-the-ground people? | 01:55 |
| fenn | well, goodnight | 01:56 |
| kanzure | haruhi first. | 01:56 |
| fenn | will poke at inventory list a bit | 01:56 |
| kanzure | "less IP, more API." | 02:44 |
| genehacker | whoa | 02:56 |
| genehacker | I am running 68 tabs | 02:56 |
| genehacker | no noticeable slowdown | 02:56 |
| genehacker | How's haruhi going? | 03:35 |
| genehacker | shit | 03:35 |
| fenn | going through fablab inventory bit by bit i see some strange things | 09:21 |
| fenn | for example, 20 pairs of tweezers and one soldering station | 09:21 |
| fenn | for the most part it's pretty good though | 09:22 |
| fenn | seems they are trying to reduce the number of different components | 09:23 |
| kanzure | so I guess if I ever want to be a jerk, I'll show up to a fablab and ask to see the tweezers | 09:30 |
| fenn | my guess is that this inventory doesn't represent the actual set of tools that are present in any given fablab | 09:43 |
| fenn | its more like "dont forget to order this stuff, unless you cant afford it" | 09:44 |
| kanzure | I should add shapeways and ponoko to that comparison page | 09:59 |
| fenn | will be easy to add more once i have an ontology thrashed out | 10:13 |
| fenn | fablab is taking forever to reduce | 10:14 |
| kanzure | ambiguity? | 10:14 |
| fenn | number of different components | 10:15 |
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| kanzure3_ | http://www.vimeo.com/1081680 visualizations of commits to various open source projects | 10:37 |
| fenn | hmmm should i delete the books section? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | stuff into another file? | 10:52 |
| fenn | must admit i dont really understand what books are for | 10:52 |
| kanzure | because they are too lazy to do their own documentation, is my guess | 10:52 |
| fenn | well me too, but i dont have a bunch of technical books lying around | 10:53 |
| * kanzure raises his hand and points at the stacks and stacks of textbooks | 10:53 | |
| fenn | some of the books they list don't have internet-available equivalents | 10:54 |
| fenn | "Precision Machine Design", Alexander Slocum | 10:54 |
| fenn | "Handbook of Modern Sensors: Physics, Designs and Applications" | 10:55 |
| fenn | i guess that's all | 10:55 |
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| fenn | getting .. somewhere http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/comparison.html;hb=master | 11:14 |
| kanzure | I can't tell what's different | 11:26 |
| fenn | not done yet | 11:29 |
| fenn | emachineshop is machines now instead of processes | 11:29 |
| fenn | fablab is condensed about 10x | 11:29 |
| fenn | looks like crap because there's no <br>'s | 11:29 |
| * fenn mumbles something about engelbart | 11:34 | |
| kanzure | mice? | 11:34 |
| fenn | zooming text interface | 11:34 |
| fenn | you've seen the NLS demo right? | 11:34 |
| kanzure | do you remember the zooming typing demo? | 11:34 |
| kanzure | blah | 11:34 |
| kanzure | the one where you use your mouse to point to the next letter in the sentence that you are typing | 11:35 |
| kanzure | and it's kind of fractaly | 11:35 |
| fenn | so i'd have something like <endmills> and it would expand to show several sets, which i could then further expand to show details for each one | 11:35 |
| fenn | instead of either something too simple or too detailed | 11:36 |
| fenn | there's probably some javascrap i could use if only i knew where | 11:36 |
| kanzure | opera has XML support, allows collapsible elements | 11:37 |
| kanzure | if that's what you mean | 11:37 |
| fenn | blah i'll just pretend it's yaml | 11:38 |
| kanzure | How does that help? | 11:38 |
| fenn | then i can print various levels of detail | 11:39 |
| fenn | as html | 11:39 |
| fenn | its not very dynamic | 11:39 |
| fenn | but if i figure out a better way i already have it in "living" code objects | 11:39 |
| fenn | know what i mean? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | somewhat. | 11:40 |
| fenn | this is not just a tree, it's a set of linked trees | 11:40 |
| fenn | so i cant use any old tree code out there | 11:41 |
| fenn | have you ever used xanadu? | 11:42 |
| kanzure | actually, no | 11:42 |
| kanzure | I've watched many videos on some of the xanadu stuff, lots of Ted Nelson, | 11:42 |
| kanzure | but I've never actually used xanadu | 11:42 |
| kanzure | wonder why Kim never did respond to my request for dimensions for the gel box imager she wanted.. | 12:15 |
| PeerInfinity | so, um, kanzure, are you Bryan? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:33 |
| kanzure | why? | 12:33 |
| PeerInfinity | in #cosmeng, we're currently discussing Giulio's plans to set up a science conference in ScienceSim. We think you would make a good speaker :) | 12:41 |
| fenn | hm i figured "git mv" would keep all the old revision history in the new file :( | 12:51 |
| fenn | oh it has to be committed without modification | 12:55 |
| kanzure3_ | guess it's just looking for the same hash/signature | 13:00 |
| fenn | wow i successfully fixed my buggered rename operation | 13:09 |
| fenn | apparently it doesnt have to be 100% exactly the same file contents, but i changed 91% of the lines.. | 13:13 |
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| kanzure3_ | I don't see how you plan to unite the ontologies there | 13:39 |
| kanzure3_ | I guess that's why you're doing it then | 13:39 |
| kanzure3_ | I was originally thinking that I'd just have to make a full list of everything, and then make a grid/table and do a checkmark when a shop has that item/component | 13:40 |
| fenn | you'd just end up with a bunch of checks in only one column | 13:41 |
| fenn | from what i hear, techshop really doesn't have much that isn't listed, like toolbits or pencils or whatever | 13:42 |
| fenn | which is really a pain in the ass in practice | 13:42 |
| kanzure3_ | http://forgemil.com/ | 13:42 |
| kanzure3_ | that's odd. | 13:42 |
| fenn | well people dont know wha they're doing so they break all the breakable bits :) | 13:43 |
| fenn | gforge for military! 100x not exactly the same thing | 13:43 |
| fenn | god why is everyone so stupid | 13:44 |
| * fenn shakes fist at sky | 13:44 | |
| bkero | Heh techshop | 15:38 |
| bkero | The most vanilla of the hacking centres. | 15:38 |
| genehacker | hey kanzure you wouldn't happen to know if there are any hacking centers around here? | 16:13 |
| kanzure | there's some "open space" for sitting around typing on a computer, but that's about it | 16:15 |
| kanzure | basically, if anyone was going to start it around here, it would have to be you or me it seems | 16:16 |
| kanzure | actlab has expressed interest in hosting the equipment | 16:16 |
| kanzure | and the fablab people just need me to write a check to get the equipment shipped and rolling | 16:16 |
| fenn | are there people interested in it besides you and gene? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:19 |
| kanzure | but I seem to be the only one wanting to take the lead on getting it happening | 16:19 |
| kanzure | I mean, the others are saying things like "gee, golly, that would be amazing and awesome. when will you you get it going?" | 16:20 |
| kanzure | yesterday there was more expressed interest in a diybio-lab (which I found odd), at the event I went to | 16:20 |
| kanzure | genehacker: btw, some of us are going to the next Robot Group meeting, Thursday 7:30 to 10 pm. You want to come? | 16:21 |
| genehacker | maybe | 16:21 |
| kanzure | somebody from the Singularity Institute is living just down the street for about 6 months, so I've been trying to get him out and about on the Austin scene | 16:21 |
| genehacker | need to see how my hw turns out | 16:21 |
| genehacker | heh | 16:21 |
| kanzure | technically, even my mom has a better shop than me at this point | 16:23 |
| kanzure | her woodworking shop is in the middle of nowhere though | 16:23 |
| kanzure | bringing up the subject at the labs and with some others has brought up questions like "What's wrong with the machine shops on campus?" which I guess is kind of missing the point | 16:24 |
| fenn | maybe | 16:26 |
| fenn | looking at the fablab inventory.. it's mostly electronic components and consumables | 16:26 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/comparison.yaml;h=1b79fd9ec4a0d47924e0998c073b551d38f65927 | 16:28 |
| fenn | i guarantee 95% of that won't be in a campus machine shop | 16:28 |
| fenn | (and they wont let you play with it anyway) | 16:29 |
| genehacker | hey kanzure, I'm wood shop certified now | 16:30 |
| kanzure | wood shop? | 16:30 |
| kanzure | fenn: git pull skdb.git tells me that I'm already up to date, without having inventory/ | 16:31 |
| kanzure | any thoughts on that? | 16:31 |
| genehacker | yeah ME building has one | 16:31 |
| fenn | try git:// | 16:31 |
| genehacker | it's interesting too | 16:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: worked. | 16:32 |
| fenn | i need to do update-server-info to add refs for the new files or mumble mumble | 16:32 |
| genehacker | it's open to the air so you can throw saw dust out onto unsuspecting bypassers | 16:32 |
| fenn | (for http) | 16:32 |
| fenn | i dont understand why it doesnt do it automatically | 16:32 |
| genehacker | but fenn, we have all that, just not in one place | 16:32 |
| kanzure | genehacker: check that link. | 16:32 |
| genehacker | I did | 16:33 |
| fenn | we all have what? | 16:33 |
| genehacker | maybe not a shopbot though | 16:33 |
| kanzure | yay "goo squirter" | 16:34 |
| genehacker | I'm printing a reprap on it | 16:35 |
| genehacker | damn, we don't have an SST | 16:35 |
| fenn | SST = reprap more or less | 16:35 |
| genehacker | we have a BST | 16:35 |
| genehacker | SST, soluble support technolgy | 16:36 |
| genehacker | BST breakaway support | 16:36 |
| genehacker | SST is more capable | 16:36 |
| fenn | why dont they use wax? | 16:36 |
| fenn | meltable support | 16:36 |
| fenn | what does SST use as the support material anyway? | 16:37 |
| genehacker | plastic comes out too hot | 16:37 |
| genehacker | Proprietary goop, that dissolves in NaOH solution | 16:38 |
| genehacker | some weird hard to get compound | 16:38 |
| fenn | i can't believe they actually put the price right on the top of the page | 16:39 |
| genehacker | of what? | 16:39 |
| fenn | of all the stratasys printers | 16:40 |
| fenn | The New uPrint™ Personal 3D Printer Only $14,900* USD | 16:40 |
| fenn | instead of "call us for a quote if you think you're worthy" | 16:41 |
| genehacker | wow | 16:41 |
| kanzure | wonder if I can get the diybio people to come up with a tool list for their dream wetlab (wait, what?) | 16:44 |
| kanzure | and then do some simple "solved by" relations. just because I'm bored. | 16:45 |
| genehacker | Damn I don't know if we have ECM, EDM, coil winder, or coil winder, photochemical milling machine | 16:47 |
| kanzure | photochemical milling? | 16:47 |
| kanzure | that's not lithography? | 16:47 |
| kanzure | it would be chemical + rotating metal? | 16:48 |
| fenn | photochemical milling = photosensitive mask + etch tank | 16:49 |
| fenn | like circuit boards basically, but with plain sheetmetal | 16:49 |
| genehacker | yeah I know | 16:50 |
| genehacker | it's quite awesome | 16:50 |
| genehacker | makes detailed parts | 16:52 |
| genehacker | http://www.ferret.com.au/odin/images/169243/Chemically-Etched-Precision-Parts-169243.jpg | 16:53 |
| fenn | watch gears | 16:53 |
| fenn | amazing thing is you can do it with a laser printer | 16:54 |
| genehacker | really? | 16:55 |
| genehacker | How? | 16:56 |
| genehacker | with a lense? | 16:56 |
| fenn | just like circuit boards | 16:56 |
| fenn | toner transfer | 16:56 |
| genehacker | watch gears via toner transfer? | 16:59 |
| genehacker | they can't be that accurate can they?? | 16:59 |
| fenn | 1200dpi.. probably not | 17:00 |
| fenn | depends on the watch i guess | 17:01 |
| genehacker | I'd think one would need some optics to reduce the size so that any blots are reduced | 17:02 |
| kanzure | hm, so have the programmer demigods found a solution yet to retrieving some data in RAM when your browser freezes? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | I guess I can cat /dev/ram or whatever, and then search for the text I was looking for | 17:03 |
| kanzure | is that going to work? | 17:03 |
| fenn | eek | 17:04 |
| kanzure | weird, konqueror too now. | 17:05 |
| fenn | oh this is a repeatable debugging thing, not "i need to get some data out of my ram before it disappears" | 17:06 |
| kanzure | no | 17:06 |
| fenn | try strace | 17:06 |
| genehacker | http://www.physorg.com/news152723712.html | 17:07 |
| genehacker | WTF, srsly | 17:07 |
| kanzure | woah weird | 17:07 |
| kanzure | strace -p <opera's pid> and it's just doing random gettimeofday() calls | 17:07 |
| kanzure | of increasing value. | 17:08 |
| genehacker | POWER ON SELF-TEST | 17:08 |
| kanzure3_ | http://groups.google.com/group/opera.linux/browse_thread/thread/255e0a8402ee6260 | 17:12 |
| kanzure3_ | "Opera 9.63 ends up in a tight loop calling gettimeofday() after pressing OK in an "accept SSL certificate" dialogue box" | 17:12 |
| kanzure | strings /dev/mem | grep -b ponoko | 17:23 |
| kanzure | 13690476, 11027149, 12425017, 13690476, 15208152 <-- what do I do with this? | 17:24 |
| kanzure | is there a way for me to disregard the first xyz bytes of input? also, it's annoying that each keystroke changes the offset | 17:24 |
| kanzure | (or, well, I guess it doesn't necessarily change the offset) | 17:25 |
| kanzure | strings /dev/mem/ | grep --before-context=5 --after-context=5 "shapeways," | 17:28 |
| kanzure | yay, it worked. | 17:28 |
| fenn | /dev/mem is all memory including swapped pages, or just in ram? | 17:31 |
| kanzure | oh wait, no it didn't. I had a bit more content than that. How unfortunate. I killed opera after thinking I recovered everything. | 17:31 |
| fenn | seems like it would go into infinite recursion | 17:31 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2008/03/recover_data_from_ram_after_a.html | 17:31 |
| kanzure3_ | "If you immediately dump the entire contents of RAM to disk before starting another large process, chances are good you can find your data again." | 17:32 |
| kanzure | no, swap isn't included | 17:33 |
| fenn | note that dumping to disk and grepping the dump is quite different from grepping the live ram stream | 17:33 |
| kanzure | how so? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | I mean, other than one way being a better idea than the other | 17:33 |
| fenn | if grep allocates itself at the end of the stream then half of what you're grepping is grep's image | 17:34 |
| kanzure | wonder if there's a built in mechanism to prevent that | 17:34 |
| fenn | ok i have no idea how much memory grep uses | 17:35 |
| fenn | now what i really want to know is wtf does makezine have to do with that | 17:38 |
| kanzure | hackszine? | 17:43 |
| kanzure3_ | oh. "Hackszine fans and readers, the Hackszine site is moving to a section of MAKE soon http://blog.makezine.com/archive/hacks/ - we're doing *a lot* of site updates on MAKE and this is the easiest way for us to do this and still keep the hacks content flowing. If you read hackszine via RSS you might not notice, but if something odd happens please let us know." | 17:48 |
| kanzure3_ | http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces | 17:50 |
| kanzure3_ | heh, actlab is listed | 17:50 |
| kanzure3_ | http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-os/ "a basic software package for hackerspaces and similiar organizations." | 17:51 |
| kanzure3_ | http://houstonhackerspace.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 17:53 |
| kanzure3_ | wonder why no fablab, techshop, or menshed is on that list. | 18:05 |
| genehacker | huh the superbowl is going on | 18:17 |
| genehacker | yeah it is | 19:32 |
| genehacker | oops | 19:32 |
| genehacker | hey kanzure I just made the bifurcation! | 19:47 |
| procto | kanzure3_: the list of hacker spaces? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | procto: hm? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | genehacker: pic or it didn't happen | 19:53 |
| procto | hackerspaces usually are about having a shared ownership of a sort of coworking third space | 19:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:53 |
| kanzure | procto: you should post that. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | procto: there are some of them though that are different | 19:53 |
| procto | kanzure: you asked why fablab, techshop etc. weren't mentioned on a list | 19:53 |
| kanzure | for instance, nycresistor is listed | 19:54 |
| kanzure | and actlab is listed | 19:54 |
| kanzure | actlab is hardly shared ownership | 19:54 |
| kanzure | oh, I see what you mean | 19:54 |
| procto | I need to visit willoughby and baltic | 19:54 |
| procto | the issue is that for it to be truly a hackerspace you need a variety of people "in residence" | 19:54 |
| procto | as opposed to custodians who may also be doing a lot of work in the space | 19:55 |
| procto | it's a very thin difference | 19:55 |
| procto | and I'm not sure about the specific natures of nycresistor and actlab | 19:55 |
| genehacker | how do I save a screenshot kanzure? | 19:55 |
| procto | but I def wouldn't put most fablabs on a list of hackerspaces | 19:55 |
| procto | genehacker: what OS/ | 19:55 |
| procto | ? | 19:55 |
| genehacker | winblows vista | 19:55 |
| kanzure | ugh | 19:55 |
| kanzure | no, no screenshot, | 19:55 |
| kanzure | just send the CAD data.. | 19:55 |
| genehacker | yes it sucks | 19:55 |
| kanzure | but for the recors | 19:55 |
| kanzure | *records | 19:56 |
| kanzure | *record | 19:56 |
| kanzure | it's PRNTSCRN -> MSPAINT | 19:56 |
| genehacker | how about gimp | 19:56 |
| genehacker | that's what I though | 19:56 |
| kanzure | procto: "in residence" ? oh? | 19:56 |
| genehacker | sent kanzure | 20:03 |
| genehacker | need to add bolt circle? | 20:03 |
| genehacker | you think I should be conservative with the acrylic or not worry about it? | 20:03 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:03 |
| kanzure | I still think total surface area should be kept to a maximum of whatever the hell you could personally carry at most | 20:04 |
| genehacker | Well I have a problem | 20:04 |
| genehacker | I don't know how I can get a nice seal on than baby | 20:05 |
| kanzure | adhesives? | 20:05 |
| genehacker | How about a big damn O-ring | 20:05 |
| kanzure | multiple holes I guess | 20:06 |
| genehacker | that's what I'm thinking big damn O-ring held in place with a large bolt circle going around it | 20:06 |
| genehacker | I don't think I can get 2 more filters done by tomorrow | 20:06 |
| genehacker | at least 2 of the spiral type | 20:07 |
| kanzure | if this was scripted it wouldn't be an issue. | 20:07 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 20:09 |
| genehacker | the diameter's currently 6.5 inches | 20:09 |
| genehacker | screw conservatism | 20:10 |
| genehacker | we got plenty of acrylic | 20:10 |
| genehacker | yeah | 20:12 |
| genehacker | we are probably going to use adhesive | 20:12 |
| genehacker | pick a good boltsize kanzure | 20:14 |
| kanzure | hm. | 20:15 |
| kanzure | criteria for goodness? | 20:15 |
| genehacker | bolt must be longer than 0.5 inches | 20:20 |
| genehacker | preferably cheap and rust resistant | 20:20 |
| genehacker | 1/8 inch diameter sounds good to me | 20:20 |
| genehacker | we don't want anything fancy right? | 20:22 |
| genehacker | should we go for threaded? or can the CNC machine even do that? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | well that's a good question, I tried to ask the machinist those types of questions | 20:24 |
| kanzure | like what the capabilities would be | 20:24 |
| kanzure | and he didn't seem to understand what it was that I was assking | 20:24 |
| kanzure | *asking | 20:24 |
| kanzure | I'm not even sure if they *have* a CNC machine available.. it seemed like he thought that I'd draw something, and he'd make | 20:24 |
| kanzure | but hopefully that was just an impression. we'll see. | 20:24 |
| genehacker | when did you talk to him | 20:25 |
| kanzure | Friday | 20:25 |
| genehacker | oh | 20:25 |
| genehacker | I was a bit busy that day | 20:25 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/bifurcation.jpg | 20:27 |
| genehacker | putting on holes for bolts | 20:28 |
| genehacker | and a annular trench | 20:28 |
| genehacker | for an o-ring | 20:29 |
| kanzure | so my 12 year old sister calls me | 21:20 |
| kanzure | her windows installation is screwed up with all sorts of trojans and viruses | 21:20 |
| kanzure | so I'm going through the typical spiel: adaware, spybot, don't click that link it looks suspicous, why not linux "oh god linux oh teh noes, she's 12! think of the children!" "uh, I was 12 too.." anyway. | 21:21 |
| kanzure | one of these days I'm going to stop offering free Windows support.. | 21:21 |
| genehacker | going to send you the cover | 21:23 |
| kanzure3_ | http://sixuntilme.com/blog-mt2/blog_images/2008April/self_made_man_sum.jpg "self made man" in legos | 21:40 |
| kanzure3_ | bwahah | 21:40 |
| kanzure3_ | http://unptnt.com/projects/3 don't know why David Rauchwerk and I aren't hanging out more | 21:58 |
| kanzure | huh | 23:13 |
| kanzure | so apparently I'm the webmaster of a Journal | 23:13 |
| kanzure3_ | http://meta.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/16/077233 <- should include this in the inventory stuff eventually. /me adds it | 23:22 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: around? | 23:59 |
| kanzure | are you able to do lunch on Wednesday sometime before 2 pm? | 23:59 |
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