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| genehacker | Ask them what they're selling it for? | 00:33 |
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| genehacker | if they say $100 | 00:34 |
| genehacker | then it's probably a used one | 00:34 |
| genehacker | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b162dfc-f168-11dd-8790-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1 | 00:38 |
| genehacker | Ray Kurzweil's making a Singularity university | 00:38 |
| genehacker | wooo | 00:38 |
| kanzure3_ | why is that good | 01:07 |
| kanzure | hah, $25k | 02:39 |
| kanzure | ok, I need to go yell at Ray. | 02:40 |
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| fenn | heh regarding etchant disposal "I just throw it in our pool. Copper is used as an algaecide and the amount added is hundred of times more than any board etchant I might use." | 06:47 |
| fenn | or: "You can always dehydrate it and make rocket fuel out of it. " | 06:48 |
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| kanzure | looks like I was wwrong, singularityu.org has CC-licensed content or something | 07:52 |
| kanzure | but I do notice a striking lack of manufacturing information/research on the site, like always | 07:52 |
| kanzure | nanotech-or-bust, seems to be the common thought amongst Ray | 07:52 |
| kanzure | yay projectw.org is back in action | 08:05 |
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| kanzure | http://mydaughtersdna.com/ | 11:01 |
| kanzure | sounds like the beginning to a good porn career, but alas | 11:01 |
| * fenn wonders how long til there's a whole earth catalog torrent | 11:03 | |
| fenn | whatever happened to libraries? | 11:05 |
| fenn | i should be able to get a library card and access online versions of all of their books | 11:05 |
| * fenn goes job hunting (job squatting?) | 11:06 | |
| kanzure | job economy: the status of an economy built around the transfer of "jobs" units. | 11:07 |
| kanzure | I bet some of the resume websites are doing backend "job trading" with other resume sites | 11:07 |
| kanzure | and if they aren't, they are stupid | 11:07 |
| fenn | surprised google hasn't gotten into the resume game yet | 11:07 |
| fenn | afaik | 11:07 |
| kanzure | apparently searching information doesn't include searching for the best talent | 11:08 |
| kanzure | oh god. SEO.. | 11:08 |
| kanzure | (already happens for resumes, but still.) | 11:08 |
| kanzure3_ | http://nhpr-sc.streamguys.us/listen.pls Mac & mydaughtersdna.com guy. | 11:09 |
| kanzure3_ | per the email to diybio earlier this morning | 11:09 |
| nsh | kanzure, do you have a list of feeds you subscribe to? | 11:10 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/bookmarks/2007-12-20.opml | 11:11 |
| kanzure3_ | old, but html: http://heybryan.org/bookmarks/2007-10-30-feeds.html | 11:11 |
| nsh | thanks | 11:12 |
| kanzure3_ | this is a pretty nice stream. Just starting to talk about Hugh Reinhoff. | 11:13 |
| nsh | who's talking for diybio? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | Mackenzie Cowell | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | So that went ok. Hugh sounds like he needs to learn about Amazon's Mechanical Turk, or to meet a programmer | 11:41 |
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| kanzure | So that went ok. Hugh sounds like he needs to learn about Amazon's Mechanical Turk, or to meet a programmer | 11:45 |
| bkero | Such basic concepts so foreign to people | 11:46 |
| * bkero gets to hear his software engineering teacher talk about how awesome google is, and how their business model works(even though he has no idea) | 11:48 | |
| bkero | Look! The interface is basic and uncluttered. I bet they have fine rules and guidelines on that. | 11:48 |
| nsh | can anyone access http://www2.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/ICDM.2006.114 ? | 11:54 |
| kanzure3_ | I can get it to you in about four hours (I know, I know, schedules suck) | 11:56 |
| nsh | ok thanks, i'll ask again if i still need it | 11:57 |
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| nsh | wotcha listening to now? | 12:38 |
| nsh | (got that pdf in the end) | 12:38 |
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| ppk | howdy | 14:39 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 14:46 |
| nsh | what's up? | 14:47 |
| AlonzoTG | installing kde4, getting ready for a reboot, in about 17 minutes or so. | 14:47 |
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| fenn | 10 | 14:55 |
| fenn | 9 | 14:55 |
| fenn | 8 | 14:57 |
| fenn | 7 | 14:57 |
| fenn | alonzo hurry! | 14:58 |
| fenn | 6 minutes to reboot! | 14:58 |
| fenn | time goes quick on the net | 14:59 |
| AlonzoTG | gotta set a few more things up. | 15:09 |
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| fenn | oh my god i'm so trapped in this body it hurts | 15:35 |
| fenn | somebody get me outta here! | 15:35 |
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| gene | http://fromthedeskofthemayor.blogspot.com/2009/02/world-crisis-charts-fed-into-microsoft.html | 15:45 |
| gene | hahahahahaha | 15:45 |
| Utopiah | lol | 15:46 |
| kanzure | Blargh | 16:21 |
| fenn | indeed | 16:21 |
| kanzure3_ | http://botropolis.com/2009/02/cloaca-no-5-the-machine-that-drops-a-deuce/ another robo feces machin | 16:45 |
| kanzure3_ | *machine | 16:45 |
| kanzure3_ | blah, I need a personal assistant. | 16:45 |
| kanzure3_ | I wonder if I can take out a loan in a bank to just buy a person for me | 16:46 |
| fenn | you can hire indians over the internet.. i read about it in "4 hour workweek" | 16:48 |
| kanzure | Gordon Novak emailed me re: the F/OSS competition and SKDB. | 17:03 |
| fenn | what did he say? | 17:04 |
| fenn | "submit something!"? | 17:04 |
| kanzure | I did submit something | 17:04 |
| kanzure | (1) substantial user base would be really useful in order to assess impact | 17:04 |
| kanzure | (2) need to clearly separate who coded what | 17:04 |
| fenn | some code wouldnt hurt either :) | 17:04 |
| kanzure | but in this case, the repo clearly shows you wrote everything | 17:04 |
| kanzure | right :) | 17:05 |
| kanzure | also, I have no time these days :( but clearly it's obvious that the inventory list should be turned into a directory of mock packages with mock metadata | 17:06 |
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| fenn | mock schmock | 17:07 |
| fenn | it's inaccurate enough already as it is | 17:08 |
| fenn | i'm going to be doing an inventory of _my_ stuff soon enough here | 17:08 |
| fenn | and then i'll know what i have :) | 17:08 |
| kanzure | Stem cell engineering for regenerative medicine; 9 am BME 3.204, Dr. Fan Yang; Feb 5 (Thursday) | 17:20 |
| fenn | so is obama shoveling money at stem cell research yet? | 17:21 |
| kanzure | there was a few things in the news recently, though not because of money shoveling (seemed just to be "yay we can come out of the closet") | 17:22 |
| fenn | looks like "he's thinking about it" | 17:22 |
| fenn | too busy campaigning earlier i guess | 17:22 |
| kanzure | I have always found it annoying that nobody kept full track of all videos, speeches, conferences etc. during a campaign trail of presidential candidates | 17:23 |
| kanzure | if I want to grep through all of his speeches for a specific word, by god I should be able to | 17:23 |
| kanzure | ain't the dark ages. | 17:23 |
| fenn | i didnt even listen to any of his speeches, but i voted anyway | 17:23 |
| fenn | oh i lied.. i watched the iowa primaries celebration speech | 17:24 |
| fenn | yeah anyway.. | 17:25 |
| fenn | i dont think i'm gonna be getting this job a "wonderlab" | 17:25 |
| fenn | wonderlab is a children's science-y museum | 17:25 |
| fenn | given that there are five other applicants, three of whom are "directly qualified" (i'm not, apparently) is it worth applying | 17:26 |
| fenn | why can't i just go do cool stuff whenever i feel like it | 17:26 |
| fenn | i swear, schedules are the death of progress | 17:26 |
| kanzure | shh! stop talking, I have to spend time on overhead for schedule management so that I can schedule in some progress | 17:27 |
| kanzure | "if you don't schedule progress, how will it happen?" | 17:27 |
| fenn | 1804 1824 whining at bryan | 17:27 |
| kanzure | "throwing virtual fish at bryan" | 17:28 |
| kanzure | I see. | 17:28 |
| fenn | i'm listening to alec's talk about setting up an un-school | 17:28 |
| kanzure | he has a talk? | 17:28 |
| fenn | mit.edu/bosworth/Public/nubtalksRecordings/alec_resnick.mp3 | 17:28 |
| fenn | it's very informal | 17:29 |
| fenn | er, unprepared or something | 17:29 |
| fenn | now i'm feeling lame here in bloomington | 17:30 |
| wrldpc | anyone record Mac and Co. on NHPR today? | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | Sorry, no wrldpc :( | 17:38 |
| wrldpc | yikez0rz | 17:38 |
| wrldpc | ::slaps forehead:: curse my nocturnality!! | 17:39 |
| kanzure | Mac freezes up on security issues. I can't blame him, I guess I would too. "Quick! I'm going to hold you responsible for something impossible!" "Uhh. Oh fuck." | 17:39 |
| fenn | need to practice those things, practice practice practice | 17:40 |
| fenn | because reporters are ruthless | 17:40 |
| kanzure | right, but first it would come from the discussions I think, but it hasn't | 17:41 |
| kanzure | I mean, there hasn't been that many discussions to entirely root it out | 17:41 |
| fenn | also it doesnt hurt to redirect to a similar but not exactly equivalent canned scenario | 17:42 |
| wrldpc | 'we' definitely can't let 'them' use us as scapegoats. i'm confident in the ability of knowledge and reason to evaporate the fear and doubt quite honestly. ... this is very interesting ... it's recurring and I need to give the entire thing more thought. | 17:42 |
| fenn | "what if someone makes disease X with your stuff" | 17:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes, that's what the "mediakits" are for | 17:42 |
| fenn | do these exist yet? | 17:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's interesting. "what if you, as a 'university' or 'company', enable somebody to do bad voodoo" | 17:43 |
| fenn | business as usual | 17:43 |
| fenn | don't you know what LLC means? | 17:43 |
| kanzure | 'mediakits'? not yet for diybio: but we could assemble some with creative commons images, some media, sound bites, etc. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | LLC? limited lawyer co-something? | 17:43 |
| fenn | limited liability corporation | 17:43 |
| fenn | essentially you can fuck up the universe and it's not your fault | 17:43 |
| fenn | but if an individual does it, they can be sued to hell and back | 17:44 |
| fenn | i'm thinking something that you can issue people before they get interviewed, like "think about these questions first so you dont sound like a dumbass when you make up an answer on the spot" | 17:45 |
| fenn | and then you can submit it back to the mailing list to incite cyber-riots | 17:45 |
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| Utopiah | ("cyber-riots", makes me think of riots/strikes as low-tech DDoS) | 17:54 |
| fenn | it's rather unfortunate we can't "take back the tubes" | 17:56 |
| * kanzure grabs a shovel | 17:56 | |
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| kanzure | must have been a huge SPOF. | 17:59 |
| fenn | "he has a business license for scientific research, for which he simply had to go to the town hall, fill out an application, and pay a fee." | 18:04 |
| fenn | i bet they'd raid his basement chemistry lab anyway | 18:08 |
| kanzure | please post a few notes about this to the diybio list re: what needs to be done before interviews, security question prepping, etc. | 18:08 |
| kanzure | blah, I can't type fast enough any more | 18:08 |
| kanzure | what was that drug that lain had? acceleration drug. | 18:08 |
| fenn | i never watched lain | 18:09 |
| fenn | i'm not on diybio either | 18:09 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/03_-_stacompos2.dnb_sanodg_mix.mp3 gets good around 0:50 and peters out around 3:45-end | 18:16 |
| fenn | not even sure where that came from | 18:16 |
| kanzure | hm | 18:18 |
| kanzure | I have 3 goons available to me for GIS information hunting | 18:19 |
| kanzure | this is sad, since this is the one area that I wouldn't normally need them | 18:19 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking of giving them some tasks related to figuring out the Google Maps API | 18:19 |
| kanzure | something I could do in an hour, but it would be really great if they would take on some of that work | 18:19 |
| kanzure | could I spontaneously expect that of nonprogrammers? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | hrm | 18:19 |
| fenn | so applying hofstadter's law it should take about 5 days | 18:20 |
| kanzure | and for newbies? | 18:20 |
| fenn | depends on the newbie i guess | 18:20 |
| fenn | is it worth 5 days? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | well, engineers but only because they're in engineering programs | 18:21 |
| kanzure | well they're sitting around doing nothing otherwise | 18:21 |
| fenn | alrighty then | 18:21 |
| fenn | the new xmms doesn't calculate times right | 18:22 |
| fenn | both audacious and the xmms deb package i got from some website | 18:23 |
| kanzure | bug! squish it! | 18:23 |
| kanzure | where'd that Raman spectroscopy paper go? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | where did I mention it | 18:28 |
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| fenn | this? Raman_spectroscopy_1928.pdf | 18:31 |
| fenn | (the original snippet) | 18:31 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Raman_spectroscopy_1928.pdf | 18:31 |
| kanzure | found it, posted to diybio. | 18:31 |
| kanzure3_ | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/4bb35278daf9fd17 | 18:32 |
| kanzure3_ | hahah | 18:32 |
| kanzure3_ | that has to be one of my most awesome posts | 18:32 |
| kanzure3_ | within 5 minutes of Lora's post with a vague mention of Raman spectroscopy as a possible avenue, | 18:33 |
| fenn | the raman paper isnt detailed enough to be useful | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | I splurge up a post where I "ah yes, I recall the original raman spec paper" | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | oh crap | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | fuck fuck fuck | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | :-( | 18:33 |
| fenn | polarizers are way more feasible than phase contrast | 18:35 |
| fenn | i dunno how much DNA you need to be able to see it though | 18:35 |
| kanzure | what does a polarizer do? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | I know phase contrast, since I recently read up on it | 18:35 |
| fenn | it's like a picket fence that only lets a certain polarization through | 18:35 |
| fenn | so if you have two crossed at 90 degrees the only thing that goes through is something spinning | 18:35 |
| kanzure | fresnel lenses? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | okay, yeah I remember that now | 18:35 |
| fenn | and helical molecules make light start spinning | 18:36 |
| fenn | wish i remembered the name.. circular dichroism is the effect, what's the chemical called? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | if a fresnel lense applies, Superkuh's lense pattern generator would work | 18:36 |
| fenn | optical enantiomer or something? | 18:36 |
| fenn | why is it always easier to remember the hard words | 18:37 |
| fenn | i couldnt find much info on zernicke plates | 18:37 |
| fenn | is it just a single clear ring? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | no, I kept on seeing multiple lenses | 18:38 |
| fenn | er.. multiple plates with a single clear ring | 18:38 |
| fenn | because if so, you could put some acrylic on a lathe and turn away the surface (except the ring) and then draw on it with a sharpie | 18:38 |
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| fenn | DNA naturally absorbs UV in the 260nm range | 18:45 |
| fenn | they dont exactly make LED's for 260nm tho. | 18:45 |
| fenn | or do they! | 18:46 |
| nsh | hrm | 18:46 |
| kanzure | polarizing caps? | 18:46 |
| nsh | or a coating | 18:46 |
| kanzure | blah, just grow some 260 nm GFP (kidding) | 18:46 |
| * kanzure needs to find some food | 18:46 | |
| fenn | http://www.shop.spectrecology.com/product.sc?productId=114&sourceCode=froogle only $239 heh | 18:46 |
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| fenn | apparently they are used in backpack water sterilizers | 18:49 |
| fenn | so this should be a good match for a battery powered gadget | 18:49 |
| fenn | i was always annoyed by how big and fugly gel stuff is | 18:49 |
| fenn | all you need is a capillary tube full of agar | 18:50 |
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| nsh | can anyone get http://www.springerlink.com/content/u71g04nl461g3203/ ? | 18:51 |
| fenn | or http://www.jstor.org/pss/3575456 while you're at it | 19:00 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Hydrodynamical%20red-shift%20phenomena%20in%20geophysics.pdf | 19:03 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Absorption%20Spectrum%20of%20DNA%20for%20Wavelengths%20Greater%20than%20300%20nm.pdf | 19:03 |
| nsh | kanzure++ | 19:04 |
| gene | backpack water sterilizers? | 19:07 |
| gene | uv ones? | 19:08 |
| gene | or filter ones? | 19:08 |
| fenn | UV | 19:21 |
| fenn | The cuvettes for use in the near UV are made from methacrylate | 19:43 |
| fenn | so that should be easy to get at least | 19:43 |
| kanzure | meredith replied | 19:44 |
| kanzure | heh, twice. "I love this mailing list so much" | 19:45 |
| fenn | aroo | 19:45 |
| fenn | Fenn - if you need access to literature/academic articles, just send | 19:45 |
| fenn | the name of the article to getarticles@googlegroups.com. They'll email | 19:45 |
| fenn | you a PDF of the article for you to read :) | 19:45 |
| kanzure | uh | 19:45 |
| kanzure | well, that's me | 19:45 |
| fenn | d'eaux | 19:45 |
| kanzure | getarticles is mainly done by me. | 19:45 |
| kanzure | but whatever | 19:45 |
| kanzure | happy articling :) | 19:45 |
| gene | this on diybio? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:49 |
| kanzure | in the clonewell electrophoresis article | 19:49 |
| kanzure | thrad | 19:49 |
| kanzure | klasjlasdkjljk s/article/thread/ | 19:49 |
| fenn | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/4bb35278daf9fd17 | 19:51 |
| fenn | (the thread) | 19:52 |
| kanzure | wait, what? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | I just got an email from James Hogan on behalf of the Seasteading Institute. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | James Hogan .. hrm.. | 19:54 |
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| kanzure | Okay. | 20:44 |
| kanzure | It's official. | 20:44 |
| kanzure | <-- Pink Army Admiral. | 20:45 |
| wrldpc | so we're running the electrophoresis with the illuminated gelbox | 20:47 |
| wrldpc | the gelbox is nice but | 20:47 |
| wrldpc | we ran into some power issues early, the samples may not have been concentrated enough or the power issues might've resulted in a lack of diffusion through the gel | 20:48 |
| wrldpc | it might be the gel too | 20:48 |
| wrldpc | unlikely | 20:48 |
| fenn | you dont see anything? | 20:49 |
| fenn | is the gel warm? (are you actually getting current through it) | 20:49 |
| wrldpc | we're past that point. the buffer was lithium borate fasterbettermedia.com | 20:49 |
| fenn | uh.. blue band should be visible to naked eye if you have it in your loading buffer | 20:49 |
| wrldpc | it worked famously. | 20:50 |
| wrldpc | the spread is clear | 20:50 |
| wrldpc | and stark you can really trace gradient | 20:50 |
| wrldpc | all of this separate technology needs to be homogenized or modulized. | 20:54 |
| fenn | it's Science(tm) | 20:55 |
| fenn | well, Biology mostly | 20:55 |
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| * kanzure paces around happily | 20:58 | |
| fenn | what are your orders, sir? | 21:10 |
| kanzure | hijack pinkarmy technical systems for transhumanesque tasks? | 21:15 |
| fenn | hmm arent admirals more of a navy rank? not army | 21:16 |
| kanzure | I've never been te combative type | 21:17 |
| fenn | navy pink, is that a color? | 21:17 |
| kanzure | so anyway, think of it as 'retainer' except not upfront | 21:17 |
| fenn | oh really | 21:18 |
| kanzure | eta <1 year | 21:18 |
| kanzure | lawyering work is finishing up.. | 21:18 |
| fenn | so you've progressed beyond pokemon board ranking after all :P | 21:18 |
| kanzure | beyond wha? | 21:18 |
| fenn | eh .. i was a level 30 assassin you know | 21:19 |
| fenn | but nobody paid me for it | 21:19 |
| kanzure | pokemon didn't have level 30 assassins | 21:19 |
| fenn | that's because they're gay | 21:19 |
| kanzure | I'm so confused | 21:19 |
| fenn | sigh.. | 21:20 |
| kanzure | sorry, the delight is a bit much | 21:20 |
| kanzure | maybe I'll go take it out on the students I can order around now | 21:20 |
| * fenn celebrates with a bowl of pasta | 21:20 | |
| kanzure | but don't you always eat pasta? | 21:20 |
| fenn | no i havent had pasta for at least 3 weeks | 21:20 |
| fenn | this is the first time i've cooked something at the new house | 21:21 |
| kanzure | everything working out ok? | 21:21 |
| fenn | eh.. kinda bored and lonely | 21:21 |
| fenn | and cold | 21:21 |
| kanzure | get a programmercat? (monitor cat) | 21:21 |
| fenn | was scooping the olive oil out of the bottle (frozen solid) | 21:23 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kv3mMK7EP8 | 21:23 |
| fenn | moral of the story: rockstars get laid, but independent film directors don't | 21:27 |
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| wrldpc | "It's Science." | 22:00 |
| wrldpc | I like that. | 22:00 |
| wrldpc | It's Science™ | 22:00 |
| kanzure | in the name of SCIENCE! | 22:00 |
| wrldpc | :) | 22:01 |
| wrldpc | anyone have the link to the chemical etched precision parts? | 22:01 |
| kanzure | to the wha?? | 22:02 |
| kanzure | photochemical milling? | 22:02 |
| wrldpc | yeah | 22:02 |
| wrldpc | someone linked an image ~2 days ago | 22:02 |
| wrldpc | Mac said they tried to ask your question on air today but the station cut reinhoff off in the middle of his response :\ | 22:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:03 |
| kanzure | oh, you were with mac today? | 22:03 |
| kanzure | oh right, you were testing some stuff | 22:03 |
| wrldpc | aye, a new gelbox ... professional style .. plexiglass ... | 22:06 |
| fenn | wrldpc: http://www.ferret.com.au/odin/images/169243/Chemically-Etched-Precision-Parts-169243.jpg | 22:06 |
| kanzure | was this using the gel box generator? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | the design generator | 22:06 |
| fenn | (i think its a bad picture) | 22:06 |
| fenn | http://www.conardcorp.com/images/EO007.jpg | 22:09 |
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| gene | hmmmm.... | 23:33 |
| gene | with a bit of image reducing optics one could easily make very tiny parts | 23:34 |
| gene | using a DMD chip or some transparency sheeting | 23:34 |
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