| --- Day changed Fri Feb 06 2009 | ||
| gene | who's he? | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| gene | how was the meeting? | 00:02 |
| kanzure | it was ok | 00:02 |
| kanzure | David Treadwell. well, he's a material scientist | 00:03 |
| kanzure | you'd like him | 00:03 |
| kanzure | I found him on the internet | 00:03 |
| kanzure | and he's consequently been lost clicking around my website for the past few months | 00:03 |
| kanzure | he's interested in an austin fablab initiative (also, check the openmanufacturing list, somebody has 4,000 sq ft available) | 00:03 |
| kanzure | (here in Austin) | 00:03 |
| gene | does he work with graphene? | 00:04 |
| gene | excellent | 00:04 |
| kanzure | oh I'm sure :) | 00:04 |
| kanzure | has an elements collection, btw | 00:04 |
| gene | now how far away is the space available from here? | 00:05 |
| kanzure | no idea | 00:05 |
| gene | bike ride, bus ride, or car? | 00:05 |
| kanzure | :( | 00:05 |
| kanzure | don't know | 00:05 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's kind of hard keeping track of all of these Davids | 00:06 |
| kanzure | 4~asking | 00:40 |
| kanzure | S Congress and Ben White | 00:44 |
| kanzure | "When do you want me to come and get you" | 00:44 |
| kanzure | bwahahah | 00:44 |
| kanzure | okay, am going tomorrow at 4 pm | 00:51 |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [] | 03:55 | |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap | 03:57 | |
| -!- splicer [n=patrik@h71n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap | 04:38 | |
| -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-98-98.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:49 | |
| -!- mindspillage [n=kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 07:22 | |
| -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 08:00 | |
| fenn | wow that's my keyboard | 08:15 |
| fenn | close enough | 08:15 |
| fenn | in http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=613 | 08:16 |
| -!- kanzure2- [i=bryan@dhcp-84-248.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 09:07 | |
| -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-99-147-180-206.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 09:09 | |
| kanzure | odd, | 09:43 |
| kanzure | wiggio.com has been spreading around a bit, all viral like | 09:43 |
| kanzure | first I got notified of it from Dr. Sata (biofuel work) | 09:43 |
| kanzure | now via the plutopia mailing list (austin area people who are trying to do meta dorkbot and meta robotgroup) | 09:44 |
| fenn | now that you've done your bit as a meme propogator you get to relax | 09:45 |
| kanzure | well | 09:45 |
| kanzure | I was going to rant and complain about it | 09:45 |
| fenn | no such thing as bad publicity is there? | 09:45 |
| kanzure | "project management .. BUT WEBZ 2.0 ohs! rawr!" | 09:45 |
| kanzure | okay, sorry :( | 09:46 |
| fenn | ugh.. they want my cell phone number? come on | 09:46 |
| kanzure | who does? | 09:46 |
| fenn | hah "pick one: i'm in: college/high school/real world" | 09:46 |
| kanzure | so this 4,000 sq ft space that I'm going to later today, | 09:47 |
| kanzure | it turns out that Leslie was the original tour de force behind the Austin TechShop project | 09:47 |
| fenn | web 2.0 is the whole proprietary format shit all over again, why can't people see this? | 09:47 |
| kanzure | he even hired an MBA to craft a business plan (what the fuck?) | 09:47 |
| kanzure | and they realized that techshop sucked | 09:48 |
| kanzure | economics-wise. | 09:48 |
| fenn | 1) make a cool space 2) ??? 3) profit! | 09:48 |
| kanzure | also because techshop is top-down brand lock-in | 09:48 |
| kanzure | "you must use our vendors for all of this equipment. rawr" | 09:48 |
| fenn | yeah there's no benefit for franchising | 09:48 |
| fenn | since all the equipment is locally sourced and probably secondhand anyway | 09:48 |
| fenn | i doubt there's a patent on a "bin wall" | 09:48 |
| kanzure | so anyway, Leslie seems to agree with the "make your own tools" (to some extent) or at least "cheap shit until we can make better shit" | 09:48 |
| fenn | of course | 09:49 |
| kanzure | I'm not convinced that the health club model is a good idea | 09:49 |
| fenn | the problem is people arent willing to spend that much money on a workspace because of the perceived "low class" nature of fabrication | 09:49 |
| kanzure | Rauchwerk and I like the "four or five mechanical engineers doing contract projects at about $20k each which would fund the shop for about a year" | 09:49 |
| kanzure | so if we can do the consulting gigs, that should pay for it | 09:49 |
| kanzure | then keep it open for community to go in and out | 09:49 |
| kanzure | and attempt to do some super uber culture cultivating better than fablab | 09:50 |
| kanzure | don't know how I plan to do that though.. hrm | 09:50 |
| fenn | ToolBook | 09:50 |
| kanzure | :) | 09:50 |
| kanzure | having a plan is one thing, but I mean to have it sustainable and healthy | 09:50 |
| fenn | blah.. toolbook.com and toolbook.org are occupied | 09:50 |
| kanzure | I'm all for toolbook of course | 09:50 |
| kanzure | tlbk.org ? | 09:51 |
| fenn | nah just change the name | 09:51 |
| fenn | books are for geezers anyway | 09:51 |
| kanzure | tooltxt :p | 09:51 |
| kanzure | anywho, I'm really against the health club model. | 09:51 |
| kanzure | mostly because I'm not going to be able to afford that | 09:51 |
| kanzure | and also because I notice that fablab funds itself via government grants, so we can get that going here | 09:52 |
| fenn | guh.. what? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | Todd Huffman, Amy Sun and such would be happy to help with that if that's the path we take | 09:52 |
| kanzure | yes, "hey NSF, we're doing cool shit, fund us!" | 09:52 |
| fenn | what does fablab get grants from? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | "everywhere" | 09:52 |
| fenn | and why is NSF funding a technology initiative? | 09:52 |
| fenn | or is fablab supposed to be about education | 09:52 |
| kanzure | they basically flail their arms about and try to get funding and grants from as many places as possible | 09:53 |
| kanzure | it's education, or "bringing stuff to the third world" | 09:53 |
| kanzure | that's why Amy Sun sent out that recent round of emails | 09:53 |
| kanzure | don't know if I forwarded those to you | 09:53 |
| kanzure | but basically she was confused and there was a fablab created (how the fuck does this happen?) | 09:53 |
| kanzure | and she had to pick up the costs | 09:53 |
| fenn | "geeks of the world: unite!"? | 09:53 |
| kanzure | right right | 09:53 |
| kanzure | and so she was trying to cover the expenses until the grants start to kick in | 09:53 |
| kanzure | via donations from geeks of the world et al. | 09:54 |
| fenn | yeah i think her publicity method is possibly flawed | 09:54 |
| fenn | better to make some webpage and get it on digg or slashdot | 09:54 |
| kanzure | she disclosed some of that via chat actually, so that might be why you don't know it | 09:54 |
| fenn | is that what eventually happened? | 09:55 |
| kanzure | hm? | 09:55 |
| kanzure | yes, they eventually got a website rolling | 09:55 |
| kanzure | http://fablab.af/ | 09:55 |
| fenn | foolbox.org <- good name? 8) | 09:55 |
| kanzure3_ | http://wiki.fablab.af/index.php/Fablab_links hrm. | 09:56 |
| kanzure | that's the first time I've seen any collection of links related to fablabs actually | 09:56 |
| kanzure | good for them.. | 09:56 |
| kanzure | about damn time. | 09:56 |
| fenn | god the fablab stuff is so scattered | 09:56 |
| kanzure | fabfolk was supposedly an attempt to get it all unified or something | 09:57 |
| kanzure | but it sucks | 09:57 |
| fenn | and 90% of the documentation is just random flickr photos | 09:57 |
| kanzure | right | 09:57 |
| kanzure | because they need to be shot | 09:57 |
| fenn | i wonder if it even makes sense if you're physically present | 09:57 |
| kanzure | so I want to make sure that if a fablab does happen here in Austin, we fix these problems. | 09:58 |
| kanzure | 4,000 sq ft is more than enough to house you :p | 09:58 |
| fenn | heh all i need is a pallet | 09:59 |
| kanzure | no internet connection in the shop at the moment, "but this can be fixed as soon as it becomes an issue" | 09:59 |
| fenn | well i'd probably shrivel up and die without a net connection | 09:59 |
| kanzure | right | 10:00 |
| kanzure | I wonder why this space is just sitting there | 10:00 |
| kanzure | why aren't I living in there | 10:00 |
| fenn | oo right under the freeway | 10:01 |
| fenn | do you have an actual street address? | 10:04 |
| kanzure | no | 10:04 |
| kanzure | 4.9 mi from me. not bad | 10:05 |
| kanzure | 3.6 mi from Max More .. | 10:06 |
| fenn | dan heeks is kicking ass on the CAD/CAM front: http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/2009/02/area-clearance.html | 10:18 |
| kanzure3_ | http://code.google.com/p/libarea/source/browse/trunk/test.py | 10:19 |
| fenn | more self-fellating from TED: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/we-are-becoming-a-new-species-we-are-becoming-homo-evolutis.ars | 10:39 |
| fenn | something on-topic for once, my god! | 10:41 |
| fenn | bwaaha “Gates releases more bugs into the world” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/microsoft/4524578/Bill-Gates-unleash-swarm-of-mosquitoes-at-TED-2009.html | 11:08 |
| wrldpc | homo evolutis? ffs | 11:56 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.metanexus.net/magazine/Default.aspx Natasha has organized some response to the "Global Spiral Speciial Issue on Transhumanism" | 12:03 |
| kanzure | hm | 12:19 |
| kanzure | James Choate thinks that "the fab should not be the central role" | 12:19 |
| fenn | what is "the central role"? | 12:19 |
| kanzure | well apparently he's thinking the austin fab-thing (he wants more of a "Leonardo's Basement") | 12:20 |
| kanzure | should not be focused on "fabbing" | 12:20 |
| kanzure | but instead on "something that the community will pay for" | 12:20 |
| kanzure | bleh | 12:20 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-February/011733.html | 12:22 |
| fenn | leonardo's basement is pay-for-education | 12:22 |
| fenn | something i find troubling | 12:22 |
| kanzure3_ | me too.. I actually even expressed that in my last email to James- | 12:22 |
| fenn | pay-for-access that also happens to provide education is fine though | 12:22 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-February/011732.html | 12:22 |
| kanzure3_ | hm | 12:22 |
| fenn | what are the costs, first of all? | 12:23 |
| fenn | the way i see it machinery is more or less free, with shipping costs | 12:23 |
| kanzure | huh? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | you mean, donated equipment? | 12:23 |
| fenn | so that leaves: rent, electricity, maintenance | 12:24 |
| fenn | no, i mean purchased equipment | 12:24 |
| fenn | large stuff that you arent likely to have in a basement | 12:24 |
| fenn | in fact, the larger they are the cheaper, supply/demand thing | 12:24 |
| kanzure | I don't know what to say to James | 12:24 |
| kanzure | "The fundamental problem with the perspective I'm seeing pitched is the -central- role of the fab. It's a misplaced focus." | 12:25 |
| fenn | what is DH? | 12:25 |
| kanzure | "Discovery Hall" | 12:25 |
| fenn | oceanography? | 12:26 |
| fenn | gosh james choate sure has a lot of preconceived notions | 12:46 |
| kanzure | what do you think? | 12:46 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-February/author.html#11732 | 12:47 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-February/011718.html he cites esa.int, leonardo's basement, techshop, pyrorobotics, sciencecommons, | 12:47 |
| kanzure3_ | so it *seems* like he's from the right scene | 12:47 |
| fenn | and then in the next post he goes and undoes everything he just said.. wtf | 12:48 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.davidnunez.com/ | 12:55 |
| fenn | so after reading that whole thread i'm totally confused | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | hm? | 13:01 |
| fenn | does james want to charge for classes or not? | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | not that I'm not. | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | heh | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | I phoned him, but he's "busy" | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | apparently he has a day job but enough time to write emails to the list? wtf? | 13:02 |
| fenn | on metajournaling: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidnunez/4025142/in/photostream/ | 13:22 |
| fenn | any idea how to get a higher rez version? | 13:23 |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [] | 13:31 | |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 14:36 | |
| -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-190-207.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 14:39 | |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 14:59 | |
| -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-190-207.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] | 15:55 | |
| -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-99-147-180-206.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 16:31 | |
| -!- Netsplit hubbard.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: UtopiahGHML | 16:47 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: UtopiahGHML | 16:48 | |
| -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap | 16:57 | |
| xp_prg | hi anyone here? | 16:57 |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 17:28 | |
| -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-190-207.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 17:29 | |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 17:48 | |
| fenn | holy crap dan heeks is tearin' it up: http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/2009/02/arc-pocketing.html | 18:04 |
| -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-93-215.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 18:13 | |
| gene | you back kanzure? | 18:13 |
| gene | guess what? | 18:13 |
| gene | That supercomputer they have is a surgeon | 18:13 |
| fenn | it's a large river fish? | 18:13 |
| gene | no fenn | 18:15 |
| gene | a supercomputer did surgery on a dog | 18:15 |
| gene | with a laser beam | 18:15 |
| fenn | this is interesting; apparently opencascade is actually free software: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/12/msg00066.html | 18:20 |
| gene | computer models how the tissue conducts heat, figures out the right power level to fire the laser at so it only kills the tumor | 18:20 |
| gene | seems a bit overkill to me though... | 18:21 |
| gene | unless their simulating individual cells and taking blood flow into account | 18:21 |
| fenn | for most purposes you can just pretend it's water | 18:22 |
| gene | must be weird laser heat transfer | 18:23 |
| gene | well I guess in future videogames, I'll have a a truly realistic graphics of a laser wound | 18:24 |
| fenn | nobody would know the difference | 18:25 |
| fenn | if they made video games like real war people would be bored to tears | 18:25 |
| fenn | fortunately we have the US military to spice things up | 18:25 |
| fenn | (by making war like video games) | 18:25 |
| gene | haven't you ever played desert bus? | 18:25 |
| fenn | nup | 18:26 |
| fenn | sounds like a job for a robot | 18:27 |
| gene | indeed | 18:27 |
| fenn | or maybe something to do in school to pass the time | 18:28 |
| -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-190-207.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] | 18:30 | |
| gene | oh god | 18:31 |
| gene | no | 18:31 |
| gene | the scary thing about desert bus, is that there are actually tournaments | 18:31 |
| fenn | yeah i'm reading desertbus.org | 18:35 |
| fenn | they went for 5 days taking 4 hour shifts | 18:36 |
| gene | jeez | 18:36 |
| gene | did they do it continuously? | 18:36 |
| fenn | ... and raised $70k for their charity in the process | 18:36 |
| gene | well at least it's good for something | 18:36 |
| fenn | yeah the game only gives you a couple seconds to turn around | 18:36 |
| gene | btw, you wouldn't happen to know anything about 1/4 inch hose barb connectors? | 18:38 |
| fenn | as a matter of fact i do | 18:38 |
| * fenn wonders why mcmaster is showing him "feminine hygiene products" | 18:40 | |
| gene | mcmaster sells that? | 18:43 |
| fenn | tampon dispensers and sanitary napkins | 18:43 |
| fenn | case qty 500 | 18:44 |
| gene | hahaha | 18:44 |
| fenn | i thought there were cad files for like every mcmaster product | 18:45 |
| gene | damn homedepot, won't display their whole product list | 18:46 |
| fenn | i must say i really dig mcmaster's style | 18:46 |
| fenn | even if their page wont give me urls! | 18:46 |
| fenn | just look at those clocks.. beautiful | 18:47 |
| fenn | http://www.mcmaster.com/#office-products/=ho061 | 18:47 |
| gene | just what I need a clock | 18:53 |
| -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap | 20:06 | |
| -!- mindspillage [n=kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #hplusroadmap | 20:56 | |
| -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-93-215.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 21:03 | |
| -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] | 21:06 | |
| -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-93-215.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 21:06 | |
| -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap | 21:09 | |
| gene | kanzure? | 21:13 |
| gene | you there? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | Woah. Holy shit. | 23:07 |
| kanzure | We have ourselves a fablab. | 23:07 |
| fenn | what's new? | 23:07 |
| fenn | i mean, uh, what are you talking about? | 23:07 |
| kanzure | 4,000 sq ft :) | 23:07 |
| kanzure | he's totally on board with the whole open source hardware packaging and "buy a kit at a certain point to get it when you don't want to bootsrap it Gingery-style" | 23:08 |
| kanzure | he's a Gingery fan :) | 23:08 |
| fenn | what are the strings attached? | 23:08 |
| kanzure | well, I spent six hours with him] | 23:08 |
| kanzure | I can't see any | 23:08 |
| fenn | wow | 23:09 |
| kanzure | I need to go down to get some food, will be right back | 23:09 |
| kanzure | yeah | 23:09 |
| kanzure | so I think you need to talk with him | 23:09 |
| kanzure | see, he's already put in $100k into this before | 23:10 |
| kanzure | when it was the Austin TechShop project,' | 23:10 |
| kanzure | but then they realized techshop sucks and doesn't have a viable business model | 23:10 |
| fenn | put $100k into what? i mean where did that money go? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | well, it was more like $30k overall apparently, but the other amount is more like lost wages from his consulting gigs that he stopped while he was working on austin techshop | 23:11 |
| kanzure | the money was put into the MBA to come up with the business plan for the austin techshop | 23:11 |
| fenn | custom furniture designer, is that right? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | and consequently realize that it was fucked | 23:11 |
| kanzure | somewhat, yes | 23:11 |
| kanzure | btw, there was a mechmate | 23:11 |
| fenn | did you see the space? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:20 |
| kanzure | he's thinking of renting some rooms in the space | 23:21 |
| kanzure | to cover costs | 23:21 |
| kanzure | so, inventory ideas | 23:28 |
| kanzure | have just become a very real issue | 23:28 |
| kanzure | especially for dispensing lots and lots of little tiny washers etc. | 23:28 |
| fenn | at twenty times the speed of sound? | 23:31 |
| fenn | wondering why these ebook readers havent made it mainstream yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z16J2zRAbgc | 23:33 |
| fenn | 8.5"x11"x0.25" | 23:33 |
| fenn | what do you mean "inventory ideas"? | 23:34 |
| fenn | like tracking software? | 23:34 |
| fenn | or robots that move things around? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | both | 23:34 |
| kanzure | specifically for supplies, | 23:34 |
| kanzure | for instance, how are you going to get people to sign documents every time they pick out a washer? | 23:35 |
| kanzure | which is a terrible thing to do, nickle and diming people, | 23:35 |
| kanzure | even if it's just for keeping track | 23:35 |
| fenn | hmm | 23:35 |
| kanzure | I'd find it terribly hard to sign out a washer each time I needed one | 23:35 |
| fenn | but what if it was really easy, easier than getting it out of a bin | 23:35 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:35 |
| kanzure | I suggested convenience machines | 23:35 |
| fenn | like cat bom > /dev/checkout | 23:35 |
| kanzure | but he argued that it would be way too many different types for a single convenience machine | 23:36 |
| kanzure | right | 23:36 |
| fenn | i'm not convinced | 23:36 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:36 |
| kanzure | neither am I | 23:36 |
| fenn | odd shaped stuff goes in regularly shaped containers | 23:36 |
| kanzure | and I'm sure as hell not going to stand there all day handing out shit | 23:36 |
| fenn | then you have: powder/liquid/granulated materials, sheets, film, wire, and bars | 23:37 |
| fenn | i guess there's also stuff like frozen concentrated orange juice, but whatever | 23:37 |
| kanzure | so he's thinking of putting up 5 to 10 little 10x6 "private rooms" for rent | 23:41 |
| fenn | "work cell" | 23:41 |
| kanzure | and then larger main area with the giant mechmate and other stuff to pile up in there | 23:42 |
| fenn | "private rooms" has a .. connotation | 23:42 |
| kanzure | well, | 23:42 |
| kanzure | he called them rentable space or something | 23:42 |
| kanzure | "private rooms" is just what I typed out | 23:42 |
| kanzure | it probably implies a hookerjoint | 23:42 |
| -!- splicer__ [n=patrik@h71n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap | 23:53 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!