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| fenn | i think we've got ourselves a cad program: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/heekscad_fillets.jpg | 10:49 |
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| kanzure | hm, I wonder if it is worth the effort to get people to convert protocol-online.org into the clinical protocol XML format that I mentioned in the "recipe representation" thread | 12:07 |
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| kanzure3_ | So how am I supposed to know whether or not a "buffer" is a 'reagent' or a 'specimen' in the protocol? | 13:00 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.mcb.uct.ac.za/pcrcond.htm for PCR. | 13:00 |
| kanzure3_ | I guess specimen is supposedly coming from 'patients', whereas reagents are required to make the protocol-magic happen. | 13:01 |
| kanzure3_ | (seeing as how CLP-ML comes from a clinical environment.) | 13:02 |
| fenn | specimen changes whereas reagent stays the same? | 13:02 |
| fenn | across different experiments | 13:02 |
| kanzure3_ | in the initiation? ok. I can go with that. | 13:02 |
| kanzure3_ | also, why publish a DTD, write up a paper about how awesome it is, and then fail to include a complete example XML file | 13:03 |
| kanzure3_ | haven't we come across this before in some other areas? at least the PSL people had an example (though a weird one) | 13:04 |
| fenn | yeah you'd expect them to come up with hundreds of examples and test cases in the process of developing the standard, so why not include them | 13:04 |
| fenn | i think the claimed reason is so they dont introduce "bugs" or test cases that dont mean what they ought to | 13:05 |
| fenn | but that's lame | 13:05 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm, then there's another element - materials - which is at the same level as reagents, and the same level as specimenRequirements | 13:14 |
| kanzure3_ | the DTD: http://www.clinchem.org/content/vol0/issue2006/images/data/clinchem.2006.071449/DC1/clinchem.2006.071449-2.txt | 13:15 |
| kanzure3_ | so materials != instruments != specimens != reagents | 13:15 |
| kanzure3_ | what would count as a material? a test tube? or is that an instrument? | 13:15 |
| kanzure3_ | is water a material, or a reagent? | 13:15 |
| kanzure3_ | reagent = any chemical used in a laboratory test or experiment. | 13:16 |
| kanzure3_ | specimens: dna that you want to amplify, primers, .. | 13:19 |
| kanzure3_ | reagents: taq, DMSO, nucleotides | 13:19 |
| kanzure3_ | materials: buffer? test tubes? | 13:19 |
| kanzure3_ | instruments: open source gel box, thermocycler, straw :p | 13:20 |
| kanzure3_ | (this, kiddies, is why ontology sucks) | 13:20 |
| kanzure3_ | does buffer come in pcr kits these days? if so, that would imply that in this system, buffer should be a reagent, even though it seems more like a material. | 13:52 |
| kanzure3_ | (reagent has a subsection for 'kit' actually, but that's kinda cheating methinks) | 13:53 |
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| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/protocols/pcr.xml | 15:16 |
| kanzure3_ | this does more damage than it does good. | 15:16 |
| fenn | i dont get why buffer is one reagent | 15:20 |
| fenn | "1.5mM Mg2+, usually some detergent, perhaps some gelatin or BSA" | 15:20 |
| fenn | should be separate reagents no? | 15:20 |
| kanzure3_ | this ontology sucks. yes. /me fixes | 15:21 |
| fenn | can you nest reagents? | 15:21 |
| kanzure3_ | <!ELEMENT reagent ((include | identity), description?, value?, prep*, stability*, storage*, (p | figure)*)> | 15:22 |
| kanzure3_ | doesn't look like it. | 15:22 |
| fenn | maybe that's what <kit> is for | 15:22 |
| fenn | but i really think it should be nestable | 15:23 |
| fenn | next point; is there a way to describe temperature changes in units? | 15:23 |
| kanzure3_ | even if there was, this would be something about the input/output to the thermocycler, no? | 15:24 |
| fenn | no? | 15:24 |
| kanzure3_ | then what for? | 15:24 |
| fenn | does a protocol describe the tools you use or just the process that 'stuff' goes through? | 15:24 |
| kanzure3_ | the process. | 15:24 |
| fenn | i'd argue that they should be separate | 15:24 |
| fenn | ok good | 15:24 |
| fenn | so you talk about temperature, not about thermocycler settings | 15:25 |
| kanzure3_ | there should be a BOM, bill of technologies, and then some other things | 15:25 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm. | 15:25 |
| fenn | of course there should be an explanation of how to set your thermocycler as well, but it shouldnt be the only way | 15:26 |
| fenn | there's lots of human readable text explaining things that could be in code | 15:27 |
| fenn | what's the purpose of this, btw | 15:27 |
| kanzure3_ | cat blah.bom > /dev/checkout | 15:28 |
| fenn | so its just a list of materials? then why all the process stuff | 15:28 |
| kanzure3_ | instructions. | 15:28 |
| kanzure3_ | theoretically this should be a data format for protocol-online.org | 15:29 |
| kanzure3_ | instead of having all of those protocols written up in varying details | 15:29 |
| kanzure3_ | *varying detail | 15:29 |
| fenn | how would protocol-online benefit from having semantic metadata? | 15:29 |
| kanzure3_ | well, this would be more for diybio people to use this information to see that they need to go get a certain kit, or whatever | 15:29 |
| kanzure3_ | codifying the information rather than just leaving it out in the mailing list, all raw and dead-like | 15:30 |
| kanzure3_ | *poke* | 15:30 |
| fenn | hey is protocol-online.org just a bunch of links to other webpages? | 15:30 |
| kanzure3_ | yes :( | 15:30 |
| fenn | fuck that | 15:30 |
| kanzure3_ | sucks huh | 15:31 |
| fenn | they could at least periodically check to make sure the link isn't dead | 15:31 |
| kanzure3_ | most of the links are dead now | 15:31 |
| fenn | well duh, that's what happens | 15:31 |
| kanzure3_ | internet archive favors .edu's or so it seems, so it's not entirely a lost cause | 15:31 |
| kanzure3_ | right | 15:31 |
| fenn | how come you and me have to do this stuff.. | 15:32 |
| fenn | tired of fixing this broken planet | 15:32 |
| fenn | reagents should link to a dedicated page or xml file for that reagent | 15:34 |
| fenn | unless it matters which supplier it comes from | 15:34 |
| kanzure3_ | ideally it shouldn't, but in practice I've heard it does. | 15:35 |
| fenn | oh, and <specimen> ng isnt a volume :) | 15:36 |
| kanzure3_ | maybe a better way to represent this information would be some way of separating reusable and one-time tools, materials, items, etc. | 15:36 |
| kanzure3_ | ng nanograms? | 15:36 |
| fenn | ya | 15:36 |
| kanzure3_ | oh wait :) | 15:36 |
| kanzure3_ | blah | 15:36 |
| fenn | what, you mean you dont reuse your pipette tips?! | 15:37 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.mcb.uct.ac.za/pcrcond.htm <-- really I was just copying and pasting through this | 15:37 |
| kanzure3_ | heh | 15:37 |
| kanzure3_ | so, there's instructions and notes; list of reusable materials, tools, etc.; list of one-time use materials, tools, instruments | 15:38 |
| kanzure3_ | anything else? | 15:38 |
| kanzure3_ | (I'm effectively coming up with a brand new ontology, which is probably a bad idea, but it's not like anyone else has grown the balls to do things right the first time anyway.) | 15:39 |
| fenn | how many turtles do you want? | 15:39 |
| kanzure3_ | turtles get their own files :) | 15:40 |
| fenn | good | 15:40 |
| kanzure3_ | heh, that might be a fun python script to write. "please input an integer from 1 to 1000 for the number of turtles in this specification." | 15:40 |
| fenn | microsoft ontology creation wizard | 15:40 |
| kanzure3_ | "I see you are writing a suicide note. Would you like assistance?" | 15:40 |
| fenn | i think the most important part is the <step> section, which seems to be rather neglected | 15:43 |
| fenn | there should at least be some <temperature> and <time> for each step | 15:43 |
| fenn | but then i start thinking about it and it could be a generic <unit> tag | 15:43 |
| kanzure3_ | sounds like those two elements should go inside of a "before" and "after" element | 15:43 |
| fenn | yes | 15:43 |
| kanzure3_ | or, rather, a "stop here" element | 15:43 |
| fenn | huh? | 15:44 |
| kanzure3_ | well, before/after is what they should observe, whereas "stop at this point" would tell them when to stop. | 15:44 |
| fenn | i just mean <step> <unit gamma-radiation='56rem'> </step> | 15:44 |
| kanzure3_ | just a difference in the names. means same thing | 15:44 |
| kanzure3_ | oh | 15:44 |
| fenn | i forgot xml always has closing tags | 15:45 |
| kanzure3_ | or, <unit blah /> | 15:45 |
| fenn | <unit blah />? | 15:45 |
| kanzure3_ | instead of <unit></unit> | 15:45 |
| kanzure3_ | just saying, it's not always a closing tag. | 15:46 |
| fenn | is that how you put it in one tag? | 15:46 |
| kanzure3_ | yes | 15:46 |
| kanzure3_ | http://users.comcen.com.au/~journals/mipeabs2005.htm "MIPE -- an XML-format to facilitate the storage and exchange of PCR-related data" | 16:08 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm, ignore. | 16:08 |
| kanzure3_ | http://mipe.sourceforge.net/ | 16:08 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2pcroverview.pl: Prints high level data on each or selected PCR product. | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2pcrprimers.pl: Prints data on fw and rev PCR primers for PCR products. | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2snps.pl: Prints data on each SNP for PCR products. | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2sbeprimers.pl: Prints data on SBE primers for each SNP in each PCR product. | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2putativesbeprimers.pl: For each SNP, prints flanking regions for SBE primer design. | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | mipe2genotypes.pl: Prints genotypes for all samples for all SNPs. | 16:10 |
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| kanzure3_ | fenn: re: http://fennetic.net/pub/captainslog/beeping try rmmod sndspkr. | 17:50 |
| fenn | my way doesnt require root access | 17:53 |
| fenn | and works over ssh connections etc | 17:53 |
| fenn | and you can still make it beep if you want by doing `echo -e '\007' | sudo tee /dev/tty10` (or something like that) | 17:55 |
| fenn | really i just hate how it beeps when you press tab | 17:56 |
| fenn | i guess the right way is echo 'set bell-style none' >> ~/.inputrc | 17:57 |
| fenn | "Thanks a lot, you saved my life" " Were you going to take suicide because of the system bell? " | 17:59 |
| fenn | perhaps he was being stalked by rabid wolves while using his wearable computer | 18:00 |
| kanzure | you know, that happened to me just the other day too | 18:00 |
| kanzure | stalked by rabid wolves club. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | but in general, what do I need the system beep for? I know when I'm doing something wrong. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | except maybe for my own \007's | 18:01 |
| kanzure3_ | aha, found it - http://www.aber.ac.uk/compsci/Research/bio/robotsci/video/ - I was talking with Talli the other day and my memory farted out on me. | 18:01 |
| fenn | dunno, its not like computers do anything important enough to warrant a beep | 18:02 |
| kanzure | "the machine that goes ping" | 18:02 |
| fenn | maybe if your battery is about to die | 18:02 |
| fenn | my god an academic website with videos that are under 10MB | 18:03 |
| fenn | what is the world coming to! | 18:03 |
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| kanzure | like? | 18:11 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt/gengetopt.html#Basic-Usage | 18:14 |
| kanzure3_ | rawr | 18:15 |
| kanzure3_ | I'm furious. | 18:15 |
| kanzure3_ | I've never ever seen a .ggo file.. | 18:15 |
| fenn | lol | 18:18 |
| fenn | apt-file search .ggo | 18:18 |
| fenn | gengetopt: /usr/share/doc/gengetopt/examples/sample1.ggo | 18:18 |
| fenn | gengetopt: /usr/share/doc/gengetopt/examples/sample2.ggo | 18:18 |
| fenn | because it doesnt exist | 18:18 |
| kanzure | hrm. so why isn't .ggo included in .deb's top level root tree dir? | 18:20 |
| kanzure | it's more used to generate the getopt-related sourcecode in a project's sources, but still. | 18:21 |
| gene | is unpatent up? | 18:23 |
| kanzure3_ | no | 18:24 |
| fenn | why would someone use gengetopt instead of getopt? | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | (found gengetopt from http://autogen.sourceforge.net/compare.html ) | 18:33 |
| kanzure3_ | " | 18:34 |
| kanzure3_ | wyg uses flex and bison to generate a configuration file parser, but uses getopt_long to parse the command line options." | 18:34 |
| kanzure3_ | http://autogen.sourceforge.net/autoopts.html | 18:35 |
| kanzure3_ | "nearly eliminates the hassle of parsing and documenting command line options. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, up to 100 option types and many attributes for each option." | 18:35 |
| kanzure3_ | with autoopt, you feed in some C structs and it generates it, which is less parseable IMHO unless I want to deal with some grammars | 18:39 |
| kanzure3_ | whereas gengetopt seems to have that text-based file format (sort of) | 18:39 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=filetype:ggo&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 18:40 |
| kanzure3_ | Results 1 - 26 of 26 for filetype:ggo | 18:40 |
| fenn | perhaps you could write a backend hack to python-getopt or perl-getopt instead | 18:42 |
| fenn | for maximum assimilation-to-effort ratio | 18:42 |
| fenn | and c-getopt of course | 18:43 |
| * kanzure3_ personstalks the maintainer, http://www.lorenzobettini.it/ | 18:43 | |
| fenn | it would be awesome if everyone had a .ggo file, but since that's not the case, are you really going to rewrite every piece of software in existence? | 18:43 |
| fenn | i actually wrote about the futility of assimilating software in my gingery wiki a long time ago | 18:44 |
| kanzure3_ | what sort of work with python-getopt are you talking about? | 18:44 |
| fenn | "We have an advantage, since one man can understand foundry, bench work, machining, engineering, and electronics, and know most every nook and cranny of each subject. One person cannot hardly hope to understand and be up to date on the latest versions of the kernel, X, GCC, and Gnome, and proficient at coding for all of them." | 18:44 |
| fenn | i mean intercepting the calls to getopt and siphoning them off into some metadata database that describes the usage | 18:45 |
| kanzure3_ | so, just to make sure I understand, | 18:46 |
| kanzure3_ | there would be some options that are never called and thus never put into that database | 18:46 |
| kanzure3_ | (if that database was only seeded by calls from python-getopt hacks that I have yet to implement) | 18:46 |
| fenn | well.. maybe it'd make more sense to just download the code and grep for getopt calls | 18:53 |
| fenn | blah | 18:53 |
| kanzure3_ | I wouldn't mind a .ggo creation wizard though. | 18:54 |
| kanzure3_ | actually, it would still suck since options and what they conflict with (etc.) are only known by the authors | 18:54 |
| kanzure3_ | but on the other hand, many people quickly complain about undocumented switches, so I guess we can assume the man pages are current | 18:54 |
| gene | whoa, my computer is acting very strangely | 18:57 |
| gene | it's been plugged in, but the battery charge stays at 15% | 18:57 |
| kanzure3_ | the power adapters sometimes fail. | 18:57 |
| kanzure3_ | that's what's presently wrong with my laptop (or, rather, the brick) | 18:58 |
| gene | hmmm... or perhaps do I need some more isotopes... | 18:59 |
| gene | though they aren't supposed fail until about 5 years from now | 19:00 |
| gene | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/08/russian-heavy-indust.html | 19:00 |
| gene | b2b to the max | 19:00 |
| fenn | my laptop was stuck at 10% when i bought it and went downhill from there | 19:20 |
| gene | this is a fairly new laptop fenn | 19:20 |
| fenn | my condolences | 19:20 |
| gene | I think something has gone horribly wrong | 19:20 |
| gene | huh? is that smoke? | 19:20 |
| fenn | quick throw it in the bathtub! | 19:21 |
| gene | I don't have one! | 19:21 |
| gene | jk | 19:21 |
| fenn | um, kitty litter box? | 19:21 |
| gene | no, I don't have a cat | 19:21 |
| fenn | some sort of non-flammable container? | 19:21 |
| gene | there is none to be found | 19:21 |
| gene | it's not on fire | 19:21 |
| fenn | you call yourself a hacker? | 19:21 |
| gene | I need a multimeter | 19:22 |
| gene | test the powersupply | 19:22 |
| gene | ok I think the power supply might have failed | 19:24 |
| gene | it isn't as hot | 19:24 |
| kanzure | you know your civilization sucks when you know a power supply fails when it stops being hot. | 19:25 |
| kanzure | it shouldn't be hot to begin with.. | 19:25 |
| fenn | but heat is a universal indicator! | 19:25 |
| fenn | even people who are blind deaf and american can tell when something is hot | 19:25 |
| gene | but the cool blue LED light in the connector is still on | 19:26 |
| fenn | then it probably is still working | 19:26 |
| kanzure | gene: that hardly matters. | 19:26 |
| kanzure | pfft | 19:26 |
| kanzure | the green light on my adapters were still going off | 19:26 |
| fenn | if your comp isnt drawing any power then it wont make the brick hot? | 19:26 |
| * kanzure has a drawer full of them | 19:26 | |
| gene | I know | 19:26 |
| fenn | maybe the wire between the connector and the brick failed somewhere | 19:27 |
| gene | this baby probably sucking all the power it can | 19:27 |
| gene | it shows it's plugged in | 19:27 |
| fenn | ok then | 19:27 |
| fenn | get a multimeter, cut the wire, measure current flow | 19:27 |
| fenn | what have you got to lose | 19:27 |
| gene | I don't have one | 19:27 |
| fenn | ^^ get one | 19:27 |
| kanzure | make one. get a resistor and five packs of gum. | 19:28 |
| gene | well dell will replace it for free so you might be right | 19:28 |
| fenn | they replace it but dont want the old unit? | 19:28 |
| gene | yeah | 19:28 |
| gene | "my keyboard broke" "Ok here, have a new one" | 19:29 |
| gene | didn't even own the laptop | 19:29 |
| fenn | well its just a few more chinese slaves after all | 19:29 |
| gene | still sent me a new one | 19:29 |
| gene | teachers didn't even find out about it being broken | 19:29 |
| kanzure | gene: you don't own your laptop? | 19:30 |
| gene | well at my old school | 19:30 |
| gene | they gave us laptops | 19:30 |
| gene | I own my laptop now | 19:30 |
| kanzure | fenn: [[foo]] might be an ok link to mention to les. | 19:40 |
| fenn | yes i was thinking about that | 19:48 |
| fenn | gene did you see that there's now a usable open source cad program? http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/random-screenshot8.png | 19:52 |
| gene | does it have smart dimensions? | 19:53 |
| fenn | no parametric dimensions yet, but i think its coming soon (for real, not BRL-CAD "soon") | 19:53 |
| fenn | i mentioned fillets and chamfers yesterday and it was included today | 19:54 |
| fenn | now that's fairly easy with opencascade but still.. | 19:54 |
| gene | does it do extrude hole? | 19:54 |
| gene | do you have to make things with primitives? | 19:54 |
| fenn | i dont know how to draw on surfaces yet (or if it's possible) | 19:55 |
| gene | .... | 19:55 |
| fenn | but you can extrude sketches | 19:55 |
| gene | 亞__亞 | 19:56 |
| gene | ⎲__⎲ | 19:57 |
| gene | well hope it improves | 19:57 |
| fenn | dont predator-face me | 19:58 |
| gene | just having fun with unicode | 20:02 |
| gene | best unicode symbol ever: ㊷ | 20:02 |
| fenn | by "extrude hole" you mean something like sketch-up right? | 20:03 |
| gene | you sketch something on a surface then extrude a hole in the shape of it | 20:03 |
| fenn | even a curved surface? | 20:04 |
| fenn | what happens when you sketch on a sphere | 20:04 |
| kanzure | in solidworks, if you draw on a sphere, the proper trig is not applied to make it stretch around the sphere and be all properlike | 20:05 |
| gene | I don't think you can | 20:05 |
| kanzure | instead, you just extrude that shape through/down and it eventually intersects with the sphere. | 20:05 |
| fenn | ok so it's just a convenience thing | 20:06 |
| fenn | "syntactic sugar" | 20:06 |
| fenn | i.e. same thing as extruding a sketch and doing CSG subtraction | 20:06 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:07 |
| gene | hey kanzure want to see the parts list for the filter? | 20:13 |
| kanzure3_ | why do we have a parts list and why wasn't I informed of it? | 20:13 |
| fenn | heh | 20:13 |
| gene | because you left early | 20:13 |
| kanzure3_ | left what early? | 20:13 |
| gene | the meeting | 20:13 |
| kanzure3_ | it was over. | 20:14 |
| gene | I'll just send it to you | 20:14 |
| gene | just bolts and stuff for my design | 20:14 |
| kanzure3_ | pulled from a catalog? | 20:14 |
| gene | no | 20:15 |
| gene | not from a catalog | 20:15 |
| gene | from home depot | 20:16 |
| gene | it's just a generalized part list | 20:16 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/parts_list.txt | 20:16 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm. | 20:16 |
| kanzure3_ | why are you using his yahoo account? | 20:17 |
| gene | good point | 20:17 |
| gene | that's the only one google knows | 20:18 |
| kanzure3_ | all staff members have mail.utexas.edu addresses. | 20:18 |
| gene | ok | 20:19 |
| kanzure3_ | but anyway, ok. | 20:19 |
| gene | hmmm... | 20:20 |
| gene | I bet we might have all we need except nuts n' bolts in the green house | 20:20 |
| gene | will try to meet with the machine shop guy tomorrow? | 20:21 |
| gene | when did you meet with him? | 20:21 |
| kanzure | last last Friday | 20:21 |
| gene | ok | 20:21 |
| kanzure | I still have the paperwork, if you want to grab it from me that's fine. | 20:22 |
| gene | what did he say the files had to be in to be machined? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | and then we'll email the designs to Travis (ENS machine shop) | 20:22 |
| kanzure | well, I tried asking him that, but he seemed very confused | 20:22 |
| kanzure | I think STL and DXF are safe bets here | 20:22 |
| gene | send me the information on what to do | 20:22 |
| kanzure | what information? | 20:22 |
| gene | ok just travis? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:23 |
| gene | last name? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | crooks | 20:23 |
| gene | ok | 20:23 |
| gene | damn, how do I put that the hole needs to be threaded? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | there's an area for notes on the paperwork | 20:24 |
| gene | Ok let me see the paperwork tomorrow | 20:24 |
| fenn | have you guys actually built one of these yet? | 20:24 |
| gene | that's what we're going to do | 20:25 |
| kanzure | no, I was supposed to get the designs in to the machine shop last week, but somehow time vanished in between max more, lebkowsky, mom, rauchwerk, les, .. | 20:25 |
| fenn | "We have prepared a 3D pdf of the machine which allows you to rotate it, zoom in on it and turn individual components on and off to allow easy identification of all parts." | 20:33 |
| fenn | cookie for whoever figures out wtf they were thinking | 20:34 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.geocities.com/foetsch/mfgraph/automake.htm GNU automake by example | 21:02 |
| kanzure3_ | "In 1991 people started to write shell scripts to guess these settings | 21:05 |
| kanzure3_ | for some GNU packages. | 21:05 |
| kanzure3_ | " | 21:05 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~adl/dl/autotools.pdf | 21:06 |
| kanzure | odd, a guy makes an iphone app for $2.99 and gets 200 users, and then gets on the news | 21:11 |
| kanzure | what a load of crap. | 21:11 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gengetopt/2000-10/msg00002.html gengetopt & XML (2000) | 21:21 |
| kanzure3_ | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gengetopt/2000-10/msg00009.html | 21:34 |
| kanzure3_ | "I'll try to have [a DTD] drawn up in the next 48 hours. Unless someone beats me to it." | 21:34 |
| kanzure3_ | nine years later.. | 21:34 |
| kanzure3_ | yay gnu hackers. | 21:35 |
| kanzure3_ | I think Jason Morrison got it kinda wrong http://twitter.com/jayunit - "CNC graffiti http://www.hektor.ch/" | 21:37 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/off-the-wall.html is probably what he's thinking of | 21:38 |
| kanzure3_ | woah, what's with the explosion in registrations? http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/members?&sort=date&order=rev | 21:43 |
| kanzure3_ | it was at 540 yesterday or something | 21:53 |
| kanzure3_ | $50/seat for 2nd balcony tickets for Jerry Seinfeld, Friday April 3rd 7 pm. | 22:35 |
| kanzure | les mentioned some book series that was published as an enhancement to gingery, but with data tables, schematics and better figures, written by an engineer | 23:02 |
| kanzure | any idea on the ref? | 23:02 |
| gene | http://www.acoustics.org/press/132nd/2aaa8.html | 23:21 |
| gene | kosher sound amplification | 23:21 |
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