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| kanzure | hm, so my presentation for ADL has been pushed forward a few weeks, I'm doing it the first Wednesday of March | 00:19 |
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| kanzure | but instead of anything related to 'research', I'll be pushing revision control and a backup system. | 00:19 |
| kanzure | (or, rather, a training session) | 00:20 |
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| samrose | Bryan, at some point, it would be good to have a talk with Marcin about the goals of http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Skdb are from your perspective(s). | 07:38 |
| samrose | or, kanzure, I should say :-) | 07:39 |
| samrose | I am working on creating a branch of skdb using all python tools. (not a huge amount of progress yet, but I am posting that here http://socialsynergyweb.org/hg/repos/hgwebdir.cgi/skdb/ | 07:39 |
| kanzure | samrose: I agree. Especially now that I have a fablab. | 07:42 |
| samrose | kanzure: where are you at with skdb, I would really like to put some work into it over Mar and Apr, but I would like to follow your lead, if you are interested | 07:43 |
| kanzure | parts compatibility and interoperability metadata representation. Recently there's been some progress in this that can be translated into some code, so that needs to get done. | 07:44 |
| kanzure | (gengetopt and such) | 07:45 |
| samrose | how are you doing the representation of parts compat and interop? | 07:46 |
| kanzure | it's an issue of two things as far as I can tell: | 07:46 |
| kanzure | (1) geometrical compatibility (easy) | 07:46 |
| kanzure | (2) parametric or "rated-for" compatibility | 07:46 |
| kanzure | this is an issue of 'ports' on a device, which are special regions of a CAD part | 07:47 |
| kanzure | #2 would be a format that basically is a list of GNU units ("1.2 m/sec h2o" (or something)) | 07:47 |
| kanzure | #1 would be some edge/surface/face detection algorithms that can easily be found in the literature or made up on the spot. | 07:47 |
| kanzure | (this is also related or equivalent to the problem of 'part mating') | 07:48 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2009-01-28 has some papers that are of interest | 07:48 |
| samrose | (gotta run, will be back) | 07:48 |
| samrose | kanzure, so what is the highest priority among your existing tasks on skdb? | 07:59 |
| samrose | also I have some ideas here: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2009-01-28#Evolving_Assembly_Plans_for_Fully_Automated_Design_and_Assembly | 07:59 |
| samrose | working on some similar idea | 08:00 |
| samrose | s | 08:00 |
| kanzure | I don't know what the highest priority is. :( | 08:00 |
| kanzure | what I've been thinking of though, recently, | 08:00 |
| kanzure | is that we should model some standard interfaces up into CAD files | 08:00 |
| kanzure | like USB, pipe fittings, firewire, etc. | 08:00 |
| kanzure | and then also provide the parametric "rated-for" information in the metadata | 08:00 |
| kanzure | and then distribute these to be used in other designer's CAD work, for starters | 08:01 |
| kanzure | since people would be more likely to use this information if they are given useful common ports/interfaces to be used in their designs :) | 08:01 |
| kanzure | but instructions on how to build something is also just as important | 08:01 |
| kanzure | once there is information on ports, the "assembly file" should be the catalyst for instructions to be generated | 08:02 |
| kanzure | which is usually the case in commercial CAD/CAM packages IIRC. | 08:02 |
| kanzure | so anyway, re: USB, I was flipping through the USB standards/documentation and looking at the drawings, wondering how I might sketch those up into a CAD file. | 08:03 |
| kanzure | they provide the schematics, though it's not quite as simple as pipe fittings :) | 08:04 |
| samrose | saw you talking about USB 3 on openmanufacturing | 08:07 |
| kanzure | samrose: in reality, the recent skdb-related work has been more related to inventory management, simply because fenn is moving down here. | 08:07 |
| kanzure | yeah :) | 08:07 |
| samrose | so, the primary data that you are putting into the db now is geometric, and parametric. How do you collect parametric data, currently? | 08:08 |
| kanzure | hope that the documentation is correct. | 08:08 |
| kanzure | for instance, for electronics this is given in the datasheets | 08:08 |
| kanzure | for pipe fittings, they usually have pressure ratings, and some other information like that (specs) | 08:08 |
| kanzure | (electronics- things like max operating conditions, voltages per pin, etc.) | 08:09 |
| samrose | so, if you are fabricating something from scratch, then creating parametric data is up to you :) | 08:09 |
| kanzure | yes, that's true, and that's a good reason to make sure there's a bug reporting system installed on top of this :p | 08:10 |
| samrose | I will bet you that trac would work | 08:10 |
| samrose | as a reporting system | 08:10 |
| kanzure | I am surprisingly unbiased when it comes to choosing bug tracking systems. simply because I don't use them often I guess. anyway, yeah, sure. | 08:11 |
| samrose | (also a python scripted project) | 08:11 |
| samrose | one of the advantages to having all of this made with python is that it can all eventually be very tightly integrated | 08:11 |
| samrose | anyway | 08:12 |
| kanzure | do you know about ponoko? | 08:12 |
| kanzure | I was talking with david ten have, the ceo of ponoko the other day, specifically about this metadata and hardware packaging stuff | 08:12 |
| kanzure | and I mentioned to him the idea of 'partial packaging' or 'loose packages' | 08:12 |
| kanzure | where we have some fabrication artifact thingy represented, but we label it as 'loose' or 'incomplete' or whatever | 08:13 |
| samrose | like this http://www.ponoko.com/ | 08:13 |
| kanzure | because in some cases you won't have that parametric data as you mentioned | 08:13 |
| kanzure | yes | 08:13 |
| kanzure | online on-demand laser cutting fabrication service | 08:13 |
| samrose | parametrics could be collaborated on | 08:13 |
| kanzure | sure sure | 08:13 |
| samrose | but, let's pretend that we were doing this today: how do you imagine that people might collab on parametrics | 08:14 |
| samrose | ? | 08:14 |
| samrose | via wiki pages? | 08:14 |
| kanzure | no, I'm imagining a diagnostics/testing protocol | 08:14 |
| kanzure | which would involve in the procedures something about submitting the results through the bug tracking system | 08:14 |
| samrose | hmmm..why through bug tracking? | 08:15 |
| kanzure | the diagnostics/testing protocol would have instructions generated much like the assembly instruction generation method | 08:15 |
| kanzure | huh? didn't we just mention bug tracking though? I guess you could also just immediately update the design information, which is ok too | 08:15 |
| samrose | yeah, we did just mention bug tracking, but I wondered why you were making that choice. So, you would use bug tracking as a system to help you track commits | 08:16 |
| samrose | I see | 08:16 |
| samrose | makes sense | 08:16 |
| samrose | or, people could patch against existing files, and post them to bug tracking system | 08:16 |
| kanzure | so anyway, using that testing-protocol thingy, a user would run a command like "paratest mydesign.skdb" and then out pops some instructions for how to test each of the different ports etc. | 08:17 |
| kanzure | right | 08:17 |
| kanzure | I'm pretty sure there are standards for testing, like for testing pipes or something | 08:17 |
| kanzure | which usually consists of the same toolset, but I might be terribly wrong | 08:17 |
| samrose | ah. so, how does the data for standards testing get into the mydesign.skdb file? | 08:17 |
| samrose | (sorry for the tedious questions, just trying to see where I can help work on this) | 08:18 |
| kanzure | one test that might be mentioned is the use of calipers | 08:18 |
| kanzure | the calipers are not encoded into the skdb file | 08:18 |
| kanzure | (or I guess they could be but that's another line of thought) | 08:18 |
| kanzure | but instead, calipers are known to be able to provide the function that they do.. | 08:18 |
| kanzure | so if the paratest program finds that there's a pipe port, | 08:18 |
| kanzure | maybe the measurements need to be confirmed, and thus a caliper, a measuring instrument, would be selected | 08:19 |
| kanzure | and the instructions (from the caliper package) would be linked to or written out | 08:19 |
| kanzure | (the use-instructions, not build-instructions) | 08:19 |
| kanzure | I could also imagine though that this information, esp. for specialized diagnostics for weird machine parts, could be encoded into the .skdb file though | 08:20 |
| samrose | (brb sorry) | 08:21 |
| kanzure | me too. shower/breakfast. | 08:21 |
| samrose | kanzure, I am trying to think of "easy" ways for people to get data in to these files, that people like marcin can pickup right away. So, is it plausible that someone could use some form of markup to encode information, which could then be picked up and incorporated by skdb file? | 08:32 |
| samrose | ok, I can check with you later | 08:32 |
| samrose | Or, even better, that people could park parts of documentation almost anywhere, and that those pages and data could be flagged for import from across the web, into a specific .skdb file | 08:33 |
| samrose | Then, the full .skdb file could be committed to projects where packages are maintained | 08:38 |
| samrose | via bug tracking | 08:38 |
| samrose | This is actually what I tried to set up with Marcin about 1 1/2 year ago | 08:39 |
| samrose | :) | 08:39 |
| samrose | not everything you are talking about, but a package maintaining system, anyway, that used (in that case Drupal project system) bug racking | 08:39 |
| samrose | ok, signin off | 08:39 |
| kanzure | there may be no 'easy way' for people to put data into packages (or maybe there is-- wizards? etc.) | 08:47 |
| kanzure | notice how debian packages are done by package maintainers ;-) | 08:47 |
| kanzure | I bet you don't know the .deb format. | 08:47 |
| kanzure3_ | " | 09:07 |
| kanzure3_ | I met this guy at a Foo camp party in Beijing, and he gave a presentation on how he reverse engineers Nintendo Wiis. He uses some kind of custom chassis that connects to both sides of the Wii's motherboard and burns off the tops of chips to look at their structure through a microscope. Pretty impressive..." | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | hm, http://helmel.net/ 's webmaster has been emailing me, trying to get me to link to them on their website | 09:34 |
| kanzure | his third email to me includes The Singularity is Near as an attachment. his second email though mentioned some weird Unified Field Theory cult institute. | 09:35 |
| kanzure | "HElmel Engineering has been designing and manufacturing coordinate measuring machines since 1973" | 09:35 |
| kanzure3_ | "Lab Meeting Today Welch 3.260 4-5 PM - Bryan Bishop talks on GIS" | 09:39 |
| kanzure3_ | huh, guess I should get started on that. | 09:39 |
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| kanzure | Any suggestions on how I should do a presentation on GIS for a bunch of biologists? | 09:56 |
| kanzure | mostly in terms of organizing the slides | 09:57 |
| kanzure | for instance, can I assume they know what a map is? | 09:57 |
| kanzure3_ | http://rogeralsing.com/2008/12/07/genetic-programming-evolution-of-mona-lisa/ | 10:01 |
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| fenn | samrose: "some form of markup to encode information" like a yaml file? | 11:20 |
| fenn | and no, i dont think using RSS feeds is a good way to compile source code | 11:21 |
| fenn | i dont get what y'all are saying about using bug tracking to collaborate | 11:22 |
| fenn | we have social structures for collaboration already like mailing lists and IRC | 11:22 |
| kanzure3_ | bug trackers are for tracking bugs. what's wrong about that? | 11:22 |
| kanzure3_ | (or issue trackers) | 11:22 |
| fenn | bug trackers are useful because they are persistent and provide a structure that's useful for describing a bug | 11:22 |
| fenn | nothing wrong with using a tool for what it's made for | 11:22 |
| fenn | samrose: have you seen "bugs everywhere"? | 11:24 |
| fenn | i havent used it yet but i like the idea | 11:24 |
| kanzure3_ | btw, was just talking with tito about using yaml for the pcr.xml protocol thingy, that's what prompted my email re: biological suppliers (sort of- it's also apparently what dave is doing for unptnt; he has sparkfun ready to dump their catalog/api into unptnt) | 11:24 |
| fenn | havent gotten that far yet | 11:25 |
| fenn | heh "Some sects allow cars, if they are painted entirely black (no chrome) to ease the temptation to upgrade to the latest model." | 11:41 |
| fenn | i think some import hot-rodders do that | 11:41 |
| kanzure3_ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5513097972897939612&ei=3Z6VSaeOGZPiqQLArJz8CA&q=tim+leary+how+to+operate+your+brain+site%3Avideo.google.com&emb=1 "Timothy Leary - How To Operate Your Brain" | 11:42 |
| kanzure3_ | a manual on operating your brain.. by leary. don't know if that will turn out well :p | 11:43 |
| fenn | leary was pretty smart | 11:45 |
| fenn | read "prometheus rising" for r.a.w's take on leary's model of consciousness (or brain-operation if you will) | 11:46 |
| fenn | that video should come with a warning or something | 11:48 |
| fenn | "dont leave this on while trying to get shit done" | 11:48 |
| kanzure3_ | why's that? | 11:48 |
| fenn | "the first thing to do is to overwhelm your focused mind" just about says it all | 11:48 |
| kanzure3_ | I find this hardly overwhelming .. this is like baseline operating frequency :p | 11:49 |
| kanzure3_ | "no mind is better than its smallest think" | 11:49 |
| kanzure3_ | wait | 11:49 |
| kanzure3_ | yes, something like thaT | 11:49 |
| fenn | that's rather puritanical | 11:51 |
| kanzure3_ | hah | 11:51 |
| kanzure3_ | it's just something fun to play around with. | 11:51 |
| fenn | w/ some doctor seuss flavor | 11:51 |
| kanzure3_ | there's certainly no self-strictness implied in it | 11:51 |
| kanzure3_ | uh, well, I mean, there is | 11:52 |
| kanzure3_ | but it's not intentionally implied | 11:52 |
| kanzure3_ | if you could root it out, that'd be nice. | 11:52 |
| fenn | "no mind is better than its greatest think"? | 11:54 |
| fenn | or maybe its the other way around | 11:54 |
| fenn | "no mind is greater than its best think"? | 11:54 |
| kanzure3_ | No brain is stronger than its weakest think. -- Thomas L. Masson | 11:55 |
| * fenn halts a rampaging cascade of ideonomy | 11:55 | |
| kanzure | hah | 12:30 |
| kanzure | so some random guy, "Emil Gilliam" messages me and asks for lunch | 12:31 |
| kanzure | after a quick Googling, I see: "[SL4] META: Emil Gilliam appointed List Sniper" | 12:31 |
| kanzure | and "Emil Gilliam - Order of Cosmic Engineers" | 12:31 |
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| samrose | fenn: nope never saw busg everywhere | 13:20 |
| samrose | bugs | 13:21 |
| samrose | fenn: yeah, YAML could be great, or I could create a way to grab data from something like media wiki, and write it formatted to a YAML file, which could be submitted as a patch or contribution for a maintainer to yeah or nay as a commitable contribution | 13:22 |
| samrose | so, media wiki users could use some special tag to signify what part of yaml file their stuff is written to | 13:22 |
| samrose | why? | 13:23 |
| samrose | now, a guy like marcin can map stuff on his wiki as parametric specs to a project, and so can a guy writing on appropedia, and then that stuff can ultimately become part of a package, and marcin and the other guy can make this part of their workflow | 13:24 |
| samrose | that is why | 13:24 |
| samrose | that is what I am going to build | 13:24 |
| samrose | later! | 13:24 |
| fenn | rather than mediawiki i'm going to just write a web frontend for the yaml format | 13:28 |
| fenn | "just" | 13:28 |
| fenn | semantic tags aren't magic | 13:29 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/GIS/2009-02-13_GIS.odp | 13:43 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/GIS/2009-02-13_GIS.ppt is the more recent version | 13:43 |
| kanzure | ok, off to physics and presentation and such. | 13:45 |
| kanzure | (Emil talked about django and such. Apparently he also plays jazz piano (yeah, high class living, yadda yadda)) | 13:45 |
| fenn | perhaps emil will write a django frontend | 13:46 |
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| fenn | http://www.1234567890day.com/ it only happens once | 14:09 |
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| bkero | It'll happen again | 15:47 |
| bkero | In a couple hundred years | 15:47 |
| bkero | 2282 is 9876543210 | 15:47 |
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| fenn | in 0.58 terayears | 15:57 |
| fenn | with 64 bit time | 15:57 |
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| procto | ##1234567890 is insane | 17:40 |
| bkero | I'm in there | 17:40 |
| bkero | CAPS LOCK is cruise control for COOL | 17:40 |
| fenn | aw i missed it | 17:56 |
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| fenn | "so if 1234567890 happened on friday the 13th, how come every unix computer in the world didn't suddenly turn into a hideous brain eating zombie?" "because they already are hideous brain eating zombies" | 19:15 |
| fenn | hm this can't be right "about six thousand Italian scientists flee Italy every year" | 19:37 |
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| fenn | http://www.tinkerkit.com/ i'd love for skdb to look like this some day | 20:11 |
| fenn | oh they're illustrations not renderings | 20:11 |
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| fenn | reminds me of the solid state entity: http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/openburble2.jpg | 20:24 |
| fenn | from the 'architecture as operating system' people | 20:24 |
| fenn | http://www.haque.co.uk/openburble.php more here | 20:25 |
| xp_prg | fenn is that dna? | 20:26 |
| fenn | you're obsessed | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | fenn: so I was with les tonight, I don't know if you're going to freak out about this | 22:55 |
| kanzure | but he does want to rent out spaces for $225/mo, | 22:55 |
| kanzure | but he would also be willing to subsidize you for 2, *maybe* 3 months if you're willing to do some work with him (which you need to talk to him about) | 22:56 |
| kanzure | (or I guess you don't need to talk to him about, but you probably should) | 22:56 |
| kanzure | and once that's done, I'd be willing to subsidize that cost, but only until I get out of this dorm and have to dorm either with you or someone else, at which point that money would go towards dorming | 22:56 |
| kanzure | also, I have a full inventory listing that I need to type up | 22:57 |
| fenn | i dont think his $2500 from subletters is realistic | 23:11 |
| fenn | i hope i can find a job or some other method of acquiring money in 2 months :\ | 23:12 |
| kanzure | you (or, rather, we) should talk with him about this. | 23:12 |
| fenn | hm that was supposed to be sarcastic, not pathetic | 23:12 |
| kanzure | well, I'm hoping a few of my different jobs could work out | 23:12 |
| kanzure | pinkarmy, sata biofuel, whatever. | 23:12 |
| kanzure | anyway, we can make this work out, but I don't want you to move down and then realize this sucks or something because I'm cognitively inept | 23:13 |
| kanzure | also it turns out Jonathan Cline has moved into Austin (from the diybio group), so I have to hunt him down and meet with him sometime | 23:13 |
| fenn | one of the few people to "get" my gel straw idea | 23:14 |
| kanzure | well he does have an @ieee.org email address. | 23:14 |
| kanzure | (aren't I a racist) | 23:14 |
| kanzure | or, domainist | 23:14 |
| fenn | addressist | 23:15 |
| fenn | http://dumpstercnc.com/ <- says 'east texas' | 23:16 |
| fenn | i wonder where exactly | 23:17 |
| kanzure | erm, how do I mount a dvd | 23:17 |
| kanzure | mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd ? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | one of les' cool hacks he wants to do is a spray painting system on the bottom of a car | 23:18 |
| kanzure | and then go draw random-as-shit handicap parking spaces in the middle of nowhere in mall parking lots | 23:18 |
| kanzure | hrm, /mnt/dvd must be wrong | 23:19 |
| kanzure | but "eject" works. wtf? | 23:19 |
| fenn | sometimes it's cdrom0 sometimes dvdrw, i usually just do hd* | 23:20 |
| fenn | or sd if it's a sata drive? | 23:20 |
| kanzure | it's not sata. | 23:20 |
| kanzure | it's not dvd, cdrw1, cdrom, cdrom1 | 23:20 |
| fenn | -t iso9660 might be wrong | 23:21 |
| kanzure | "No medium found" | 23:21 |
| fenn | you dont need it anyway | 23:21 |
| fenn | try another dvd | 23:21 |
| kanzure | it's actually a CD in a DVD drive but that shouldn't matter | 23:21 |
| kanzure | no, must be this CD :) | 23:21 |
| kanzure | fablab inventory | 23:21 |
| fenn | eh? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | or else I must resort to typing it up by hand | 23:21 |
| kanzure | which isn't terrible, it's only three pages of way too tiny print, but whatever | 23:21 |
| fenn | well try another cd just to see if it works | 23:21 |
| fenn | not an audio cd | 23:22 |
| kanzure | screw this. | 23:24 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/austin_fablab_2009-02-13.txt | 23:37 |
| fenn | oh, cool | 23:42 |
| fenn | find a word in the English language that is pronounced differently when capitalized? | 23:42 |
| kanzure3_ | he gave me one that he claims is the only one | 23:42 |
| kanzure3_ | do you want it? | 23:42 |
| fenn | Polish polish Invalid invalid | 23:43 |
| fenn | hmm | 23:43 |
| kanzure3_ | polish, yes. | 23:43 |
| fenn | it all seems rather arbitrary | 23:43 |
| kanzure3_ | invalid? how does that work? | 23:43 |
| fenn | someone who can't take care of themself | 23:44 |
| kanzure3_ | versus invalid, as in incorrect | 23:44 |
| kanzure3_ | sounds the same to me | 23:44 |
| kanzure3_ | maybe it's an accent thing? | 23:44 |
| kanzure3_ | (not that I have any particular accent, but maybe 'invalids' do) | 23:44 |
| fenn | IN vuh lid, vs in-valid | 23:44 |
| kanzure3_ | okie. | 23:44 |
| fenn | "Forget" is the name of a French tennis player | 23:45 |
| fenn | whee | 23:45 |
| kanzure3_ | so, how do you like the inventory? | 23:45 |
| kanzure3_ | we skipped materials, but I'm sure that's not a big deal | 23:45 |
| fenn | i'm only bringing a small subset of materials anyway | 23:46 |
| kanzure3_ | focus on tools I guess | 23:46 |
| kanzure3_ | unless you have some super awesome materials | 23:46 |
| fenn | 20 inch disk sander? wtf | 23:46 |
| fenn | dish washer could double as a washing machine too :) | 23:47 |
| kanzure3_ | srsly, how hard could it be | 23:47 |
| fenn | one pump could be an air compressor for fog-blasting and vacuum pump to boil the water at low temperatures | 23:48 |
| fenn | wonder if i should steal my roomate's whiteboard | 23:49 |
| kanzure3_ | also, he keeps thinking that software is some expensive as hell thing | 23:49 |
| kanzure3_ | and maybe he's right, maybe I'm inexperienced | 23:49 |
| kanzure3_ | but he's over here citing off $50k/seat software for shit that I haven't even heard of | 23:49 |
| kanzure3_ | and I guess solidworks is $7k/seat, so whatever | 23:49 |
| fenn | yes you tend to overestimate how easy software is to develop | 23:49 |
| fenn | $50k/seat is useless to us | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | right | 23:50 |
| fenn | what was that, CATIA? | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | but for instance, the gcode | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | no, $50k/seat was a movie studio software thingy | 23:50 |
| fenn | oh, pff | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | but anyway, gcode and CAD->CAM stuff, he claims, is expensive as hell | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | but meanwhile I'm thinking of linuxemc | 23:50 |
| kanzure3_ | am I misunderstanding things? | 23:51 |
| kanzure3_ | I basically told him that his software problems are more or less taken care of with you and me on the scene.. but I might be wrong. | 23:51 |
| fenn | eh, well, you can pay $0 or $100 or $10000, depending on how much of other people's money you have on hand | 23:51 |
| fenn | for CAM | 23:51 |
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| kanzure3_ | Hi RiceCake. | 23:52 |
| fenn | i'm really excited about heekscad btw, if you havent noticed | 23:52 |
| kanzure3_ | whois RiceCake ? | 23:52 |
| RiceCake | Lmao | 23:52 |
| fenn | some wiki nazi | 23:52 |
| kanzure3_ | dave knows about heekscad btw | 23:52 |
| RiceCake | Ive been in here 45 seconds what the hell | 23:52 |
| kanzure3_ | hm? | 23:52 |
| fenn | RiceCake: what's a word in english that changes pronunciation depending on whether it's capitalized or not? | 23:53 |
| fenn | kanzure3_: what sort of materials were there? mostly wood? | 23:53 |
| RiceCake | You're really bored arent you. | 23:53 |
| kanzure3_ | mostly wood, but there might have been some other stuff I missed | 23:53 |
| fenn | RiceCake: it's a test of your worthiness :P | 23:54 |
| RiceCake | I also can't fucking stand English majors. | 23:54 |
| RiceCake | YOur point? | 23:55 |
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| fenn | it's cheating if i tell you | 23:56 |
| RiceCake | Well if you're not cheating youre not trying hard enough. | 23:57 |
| fenn | it's amazing how much useless crap is mixed in with the good stuff in my inventory | 23:58 |
| fenn | and then there's a lot of "qty 50 ethernet cable" type dealies | 23:58 |
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