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| h2i | google os: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Es_(operating_system) | 00:02 |
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| gene | that would be great kanzure | 00:40 |
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| ybit | http://edacious.hypertriton.com/ | 01:57 |
| gene | there's already opensauce stuff for that ybit | 02:20 |
| gene | kanzure's used some of it | 02:20 |
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| ybit | right, i just thought it was intersting | 03:04 |
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| kanzure | why haven't I downloaded the entire debian mirror yet? | 10:50 |
| kanzure | it's not like etch or lenny changes daily | 10:50 |
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| kanzure | Hey jookos. | 10:56 |
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| nsh | tis i, for sooth | 11:11 |
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| kanzure3_ | http://www.rehabengineer.com/files/Images/datahands.jpg | 12:45 |
| kanzure | So, Emil has a datahand keyboard interface because he has tendonitis (he claims because of some bad keyboards from when he used to work back at Sun Microsystems) | 12:46 |
| kanzure3_ | http://heybryan.org/calxism/index2.html (written 2005-07-21) | 13:01 |
| kanzure | That's just something I was linking Paul to, in a demonstration of some weird thinking I used to be doing. When reading it, it sounds like Eliezer to me. How did I get out of that rut in my thinking though? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | (the answer is probably Tony) | 13:03 |
| fenn | yes except eliezer has The Answer | 13:06 |
| fenn | sort of | 13:06 |
| kanzure | 'cept he doesn't :( | 13:06 |
| kanzure | did you check out that 2006 email I forwarded? | 13:06 |
| fenn | well he puts a friendly label on it which makes it seem like he does | 13:06 |
| fenn | no not yet | 13:06 |
| kanzure | I was just looking back over it a few seconds ago. | 13:06 |
| kanzure | interesting how I was on the same line of thought even back then, and I'm kind of going back to it now more or less (or I never really left it) | 13:08 |
| fenn | we all have our hobbies :) | 13:10 |
| fenn | "Disease has causes - health does not." sort of a backward way of looking at things | 13:16 |
| kanzure3_ | what I suggested to Emil was using Hod Lipson's tendon analysis of the human hand, and then using that to determine the full range of human motion in the hand, and consequently automatically generate an optimal keyboard for that muscular structure in the hand | 13:16 |
| kanzure3_ | blah, my server isn't receiving messages any more | 13:16 |
| kanzure3_ | ping pong | 13:17 |
| fenn | i thought that's what the datahand was, but the cross shaped activation pattern doesn't quite fit | 13:17 |
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| fenn | then he turns right around and says "health is not a matter of chance or accident but that the organism functions according to known and demonstrable laws" | 13:20 |
| fenn | writers.. bah | 13:20 |
| fenn | "unsustainable" eh? | 13:24 |
| kanzure3_ | I wish there was a way to mark an individual email in a thread as unread | 13:24 |
| fenn | there is, in pine | 13:25 |
| kanzure3_ | sorry, I meant to say in gmail | 13:25 |
| kanzure3_ | I used to use a separate client, kmail | 13:25 |
| kanzure3_ | and before that, mutt | 13:25 |
| fenn | i wish pine had threading | 13:25 |
| kanzure3_ | but ever since the laptop crash, I haven't wanted to do the one-time download from the pop3 server | 13:25 |
| fenn | imap is better because it leaves your mail on the server too | 13:25 |
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| fenn | kanzure3_: is this essay yours? it doesn't seem like your style | 13:29 |
| kanzure3_ | the "Notes on Health" ? | 13:30 |
| kanzure3_ | there were two emails | 13:30 |
| kanzure3_ | "Notes on Health" was me | 13:31 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm. heybryan.org's internet connection has vanished | 13:31 |
| fenn | this line just seemed weird "I hate to think what might happen if we are able to propagate throughout the universe while attached to the growth of modern societal structure." | 13:32 |
| kanzure3_ | exponential cancers. | 13:32 |
| fenn | ...so? | 13:33 |
| fenn | how many people is enough? | 13:33 |
| kanzure3_ | in neverness, The Vild was a region of space where stars were going supernova because humans were using all of the energy to exponentially replicate. giant space habitats full of babies. | 13:34 |
| fenn | but you've decided that's a bad thing | 13:34 |
| * fenn thinks this might be philosophy | 13:36 | |
| kanzure3_ | I could think of some better things to do. | 13:36 |
| kanzure3_ | at the moment my attention is split | 13:36 |
| kanzure3_ | andrew and I are going over some layout ideas for pinkarmy | 13:36 |
| kanzure3_ | we can talk later about whether or not it's interesting to conver the galaxy into human mass :p | 13:37 |
| kanzure3_ | is that healthy? | 13:47 |
| kanzure3_ | blah, turns out Andrew Hessel is the one who pitched the genomic x prize idea. | 14:21 |
| kanzure3_ | oh, a synthesis xprize | 14:21 |
| kanzure3_ | not the same as the sequencing x prize idea. | 14:21 |
| nsh | pinkarmy? | 14:24 |
| fenn | am i missing something here? "DIYbiologists may also want to have some sort of pledge like the medical one (to do no harm) before they become "licensed" to serve" | 14:28 |
| nsh | sounds stupid | 14:31 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn: who wrote that? roger brent? | 14:36 |
| fenn | julie norville | 14:38 |
| fenn | the MIT "outreach" person | 14:39 |
| kanzure3_ | MIT? blah | 14:40 |
| kanzure3_ | hm | 14:41 |
| kanzure3_ | andrew wants me to send him a bio of myself | 14:41 |
| kanzure3_ | a blurb for the pinkarmy website | 14:41 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm. | 14:41 |
| kanzure3_ | "at age 12, bryan proceeded to take over the world" | 14:41 |
| nsh | pinkarmy is WHUTPLS | 14:42 |
| kanzure3_ | is what? | 14:42 |
| kanzure3_ | pinkarmy.org | 14:42 |
| nsh | is what, please? | 14:42 |
| nsh | rrr | 14:42 |
| kanzure3_ | "PinkArmy is the working name of an open source biology project based in Canada that is taking aim at breast cancer therapeutic development. The goal of the project is to create personalized medicines that are safe, effective, and affordable. We expect to be fully active in 2008. " | 14:42 |
| nsh | why does everything to do with breast cancer have to be fucking pink | 14:43 |
| nsh | god i hate that colour | 14:43 |
| fenn | heheh | 14:43 |
| fenn | your nick is pink in my client | 14:43 |
| nsh | yay | 14:44 |
| willPow3r | because titties are pink? | 14:49 |
| kanzure3_ | who the hell is Ted on om? | 14:50 |
| kanzure3_ | is this les in disguise? | 14:50 |
| kanzure3_ | oh shit, he's shopbot | 14:51 |
| kanzure3_ | woah | 14:52 |
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| kanzure | hm, kde crashed | 15:08 |
| fenn | i havent actually looked at shopbot much | 15:14 |
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| kanzure | there's some cultural stigmatism from the fablab groups against shopbot, IIRC | 15:16 |
| kanzure | (so I haven't either) | 15:16 |
| nsh | *stigma | 15:17 |
| nsh | an astigmatism is an eye defect | 15:17 |
| fenn | from the fablab? i thought that shopbot was their main tool | 15:17 |
| fenn | er, after the laser cutter :P | 15:17 |
| kanzure | oh wait. that's true. | 15:18 |
| PeerInfinity | see also "eye stigmata": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=874dnj6qPQk | 15:20 |
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| kanzure | fenn: will you reply to Ted? | 15:21 |
| fenn | um, no, i dont know what to say | 15:26 |
| fenn | and it would probably take hours | 15:26 |
| fenn | 'look at skdb' | 15:26 |
| kanzure | right. | 15:27 |
| fenn | 'gimme a sample shopbot to test' | 15:27 |
| kanzure | what's with eric's focus on media? | 15:27 |
| fenn | he explained that in the last post | 15:27 |
| kanzure | nick's focus on media is obvious, he's just a moron | 15:27 |
| kanzure | I replied to that | 15:27 |
| kanzure | he claims that media is so that there's some healthy development forming and such in out-of-industry areas | 15:28 |
| kanzure | but he used electronics as an example | 15:28 |
| kanzure | and then contradicted it at the end of his email, so I'm kinda confused now | 15:28 |
| fenn | "media" is eric's old-fashioned way of saying "sharing of designs for stuff to do" | 15:31 |
| kanzure | hm. | 15:31 |
| kanzure | but then nick comes in and talks about videos | 15:32 |
| kanzure | and messes things up | 15:32 |
| kanzure | what was with eric's list of media projects though? he wanted them in books/packages, as if they weren't digitized | 15:32 |
| kanzure | kinda useless. | 15:32 |
| fenn | not entirely useless, people will pay lots of money for books and videos which contain the same content they expect for free online | 15:33 |
| fenn | which enables people to spend a lot of time on creating high quality information | 15:33 |
| fenn | the trick is keeping the focus on creating high quality information, not books | 15:34 |
| kanzure | I think there needs to be a distinguishing between whether or not we just want to instruct newbies forever or if we want the system scaling and such | 15:34 |
| kanzure | right | 15:34 |
| kanzure | I mean, instructions are important but I don't know if it's an end goal here | 15:34 |
| kanzure | hrm, hard to describe my complaint | 15:35 |
| fenn | there's too much focus on 30-second intro newbie wrangling | 15:35 |
| fenn | the newbie won't start out in the right place anyway | 15:35 |
| fenn | they'll just search youtube and click on whatever the first result is | 15:35 |
| fenn | 'how to sodder' | 15:35 |
| kanzure | what I'm more interested in is the use of these tools, somewhat as an education tool- yes- but to use them to build even better stuff. bootstrapping/upcreation should be a journey that anyone can join in on, and if they want to "get on the ride" at one point and then "get off the ride" at another point (i.e., a particular capability they want), that's fine | 15:36 |
| kanzure | but I'm in it for the long ride. | 15:36 |
| kanzure | don't know how to describe that. | 15:37 |
| kanzure | (did I get cutoff there?) | 15:37 |
| fenn | no | 15:37 |
| kanzure | that might be a useful way of saying it on om | 15:37 |
| fenn | keep in mind eric got involved in this as part of the LUF space colonization project | 15:42 |
| * fenn paces around, looking at piles of stuff | 15:42 | |
| kanzure | organized piles of stuff? | 15:43 |
| kanzure | I used to pace around in a small confined space, and consequently got blisters. | 15:43 |
| kanzure | you will have lots of pacing space at the shop. heh' | 15:43 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0857.JPG | 15:47 |
| fenn | bah my camera sucks | 15:47 |
| fenn | i guess i should take pictures of everything and see if you want anything in particular | 15:50 |
| kanzure | as opposed to the inventory list? | 15:53 |
| fenn | inventory list would take too long | 15:54 |
| kanzure | huh? you already wrote one up I thought? of your stuff? | 16:16 |
| kanzure | sorry for my lag. wrote that ted-email. | 16:17 |
| fenn | there was an email with a list of general categories but it's not what i'd call an inventory | 16:19 |
| kanzure | well, if you do decide to take photos, I'll certainly look over them, but I'm not saying it's a good idea | 16:23 |
| kanzure | (I can't give a better idea though) | 16:23 |
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| fenn | blah. so i managed to secure a camera for like 10 minutes | 17:36 |
| fenn | see any books you might like? http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/ralston-inventory/15022009298.jpg | 17:37 |
| fenn | most digital cameras are so lame.. seems like they just scale up low res images | 17:39 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory | 17:44 |
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| kanzure | ack, you're going to get rid of your books? :( | 18:10 |
| kanzure | is "profiles of the future" worthwhile? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | it's probably on the web somewhere, nevermind | 18:11 |
| kanzure | the Marshall Savage book I haven't seen anywhere, that's interesting. Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is supposedly a classic that you shouldn't let go of | 18:12 |
| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory&Qif=15022009306.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M not sure if you want to give up your drill set | 18:12 |
| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory&Qif=15022009299.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M drill bits in obscure sizes might be hard to come by in general? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory&Qif=15022009297.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M what? | 18:14 |
| fenn | i have way more air tools than that btw | 18:15 |
| fenn | the drill bits are large sizes | 18:15 |
| fenn | white boxes are thin clients | 18:16 |
| kanzure | what type of thin clients? old school IBM AT terminals? | 18:16 |
| fenn | netier xl1000 | 18:16 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/machines/netier | 18:16 |
| kanzure | I'd take 'em. | 18:17 |
| kanzure | is the bike on your list? if it can be disassembled easily for storage, I'd consider it | 18:17 |
| fenn | i'm going to take 2 for testing | 18:17 |
| fenn | the bike won't fit in the car | 18:17 |
| kanzure | are you able to store some of this stuff? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | even when taken apart? | 18:17 |
| fenn | these are pics of things i'm leaving at the house | 18:17 |
| kanzure | how is that going to work | 18:18 |
| fenn | the question is whether certain things should be taken instead, keeping in mind i'm taking a lot of "good" stuff too | 18:18 |
| fenn | well, there's nobody living here | 18:18 |
| fenn | so, the stuff will sit in the basement, presumably | 18:18 |
| fenn | does it rain in texas? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | hrm, the networking equipment .. | 18:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:19 |
| kanzure | there are periods of droughts though, certainly | 18:20 |
| kanzure | "I notice South by Southwest has a panel discussion: Rebuilding the | 18:21 |
| kanzure | World with Free Everything | 18:21 |
| kanzure | (Doc Searls, Linux Journal) | 18:21 |
| kanzure | http://sxsw.com/interactive/talks/panels?action=show&id=IAP0900737" | 18:21 |
| kanzure | Tuesday, March 17th | 18:21 |
| kanzure | "BarCampESM (Enterprise Systems Management) is slated for | 18:21 |
| kanzure | April 4 and Cloud Camp Austin will be April 7" | 18:21 |
| kanzure | "Last year's BarCampESM | 18:22 |
| kanzure | had lots of people from various open source projects (Puppet, OpenNMS, | 18:22 |
| kanzure | Zenoss, Nagios, etc." | 18:22 |
| kanzure | hrm | 18:22 |
| kanzure | I don't know how to write a bio of myself. I have enough trouble uploading myself to a hard drive, much less a paragraph. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse | 18:53 |
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| kanzure | wrldpc: how would you write a bio about me? | 18:59 |
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| kanzure | ooh right, I founded the IEEE Manufacturing Automation Group | 19:36 |
| fenn | heh writing proper prose is easy | 19:40 |
| fenn | erm, hard i mean | 19:40 |
| fenn | splatting out lists of stuff you did is easy | 19:40 |
| fenn | it's hard to express context though | 19:40 |
| fenn | and, keep in mind you're only 19 | 19:41 |
| fenn | my 'take' pile is starting to look too big | 19:42 |
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| kanzure | "Bryan Bishop is a multi-specialized autodidact and generally intense fellow working in the Automated Design Lab and Sata Biofuel Group at the University of Texas at Austin. Having founded the IEEE Manufacturing Automation Group, Bryan is also working on open source hardware and open manufacturing at the Austin Fab Lab." | 19:48 |
| kanzure | does that make me sound like a prick? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | and I was thinking of another sentence to mention diybio, synthetic biology, or my work in molecular biology (not much) | 19:49 |
| kanzure | "Bryan Bishop is a multi-specialized autodidact and generally intense fellow working in the Automated Design Lab and Sata Biofuel Group at the University of Texas at Austin, where he founded the IEEE Manufacturing Automation Group. Bryan works on open source hardware and open manufacturing at the Austin Fab Lab. He especially enjoys making open tools for the diybio and synthetic biology communities." | 19:59 |
| kanzure | blah | 19:59 |
| kanzure | "He does nothing. Go away." | 19:59 |
| kanzure | is Frankco's email correct on diybio? dipping a liquid would mean the other liquids would wash away so I'm not sure how that would work | 20:06 |
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| kanzure | "In the Transhuman Space roleplaying game it told the story of a scientifically brilliant billionaire (he could certainly afford his many offspring) who built a space colony for the thousands of clones he had made of himself (the children were decanted as babies and did not have his personality downloaded into them)! They were one massive laissez-faire | 20:56 |
| kanzure | think tank and people would make pilgrimages to the facility to seek their aid in research projects. " | 20:56 |
| fenn | i wonder where it got this idea "/dev/hda2 has gone 7717 days without being checked, check forced" | 21:00 |
| fenn | in his spare time, bryan enjoys making bookmarks and spamming mailing lists with url's | 21:01 |
| kanzure | aww, come on now | 21:01 |
| kanzure | really? I can stop if it's that bad | 21:02 |
| fenn | no i just think it's funny | 21:02 |
| kanzure | :) | 21:02 |
| kanzure | "in his spare time- wait, what?" | 21:02 |
| fenn | s/also/currently/ | 21:02 |
| fenn | oh you changed it, nm | 21:03 |
| kanzure | I was looking at squid-labs as some representative models | 21:03 |
| kanzure | unfortunately I don't have a bajillion phd's | 21:03 |
| fenn | more stuff @ http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory | 21:06 |
| kanzure | appended past n=31? | 21:06 |
| fenn | different naming scheme | 21:07 |
| fenn | (different camera | 21:07 |
| fenn | i wonder if it's safe to have this can of methylene chloride in the car | 21:09 |
| kanzure | (09:24:18 PM) Tito: we're trying to make a magnetic lid for our gel box, and we want the current to run through the magnet, as well | 21:27 |
| kanzure | gee, what's wrong with a plastic tab at the end of the gel box top (like a refrigerator's light switch) | 21:27 |
| fenn | current run through the magnet? that's goofy | 21:30 |
| kanzure | the front of the gel box is 1/4 inch thick, so the tab would have to be 1/8 inch or something. | 21:30 |
| kanzure | (lid-closed detection switch) | 21:31 |
| kanzure | "I really want a SPOF for the circuit" | 21:31 |
| fenn | well 100+V in splashy electrolyte needs some kind of safety mechanism | 21:31 |
| kanzure | so I think he wants it to turn off when the lid is open | 21:31 |
| kanzure | a switch seems perfect for this | 21:31 |
| fenn | just use a microswitch | 21:31 |
| kanzure | is that a particular type of switch? | 21:32 |
| fenn | it's found in microwaves :P | 21:32 |
| fenn | http://www.darkravenwind.com/cdvision/images/microswitch.gif | 21:32 |
| kanzure | yep, that's exactly what he should use | 21:33 |
| kanzure | (09:33:49 PM) Tito: oh, the other requirement is that it's waterproof | 21:33 |
| fenn | not gonna happen with a hobbyist budget | 21:34 |
| fenn | use an isolation transformer in your power supply | 21:34 |
| kanzure | a what? | 21:34 |
| fenn | use a GFCI too if you're really paranoid | 21:34 |
| fenn | um.. back to basics. electricity is a potential difference between two points. mains current uses the earth as one of the points | 21:35 |
| fenn | s/current/voltage | 21:35 |
| fenn | if you run AC through a transformer the two ends of the wire coming out of the transformer are the two points | 21:35 |
| fenn | so if you touch the wire and the earth you wont get shocked (theoretically) | 21:36 |
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| kanzure | ah, I didn't know it was a basic device | 21:36 |
| fenn | some transformers connect part of the wire to earth (ground) | 21:36 |
| tito3 | hey everybody | 21:36 |
| fenn | hi tito | 21:36 |
| kanzure | tito3: so fenn was suggesting that waterproof might not happen for low-budget | 21:36 |
| tito3 | very low budget | 21:37 |
| tito3 | that's the appeal of a magnet connector | 21:37 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/last_ten_minutes | 21:37 |
| tito3 | i've read that nib magnets are coated in nickel | 21:39 |
| tito3 | and the nickel conducts electricity just fine | 21:39 |
| fenn | does nickel corrode when being splashed with salt water and having current run through it? | 21:40 |
| tito3 | definitely | 21:40 |
| tito3 | the concern for waterproof is not necessarily during regular use | 21:40 |
| tito3 | but when the gel box gets washed out, etc | 21:40 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:41 |
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| kanzure | another idea is to use a velcroe patch that would snap on underneath | 21:41 |
| kanzure | blah, fine, go away | 21:41 |
| kanzure | he probably closed a tab | 21:41 |
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| kanzure | another idea is to use a velcroe patch that would snap on underneath, or one of those metal snaps trinckets | 21:41 |
| kanzure | and it would go from the top of the lid (nearest to the front) to underneath the box (if it is on a stand) | 21:42 |
| kanzure | though that would make for awkward maintenance | 21:42 |
| tito3 | most current gel boxes use banana plugs | 21:42 |
| tito3 | my problem with those is that you have to think too much about them | 21:43 |
| tito3 | lining them up, etc | 21:43 |
| kanzure | so it has to survive getting washed out, how does the rest of the electronics survive that? | 21:44 |
| kanzure | *do | 21:44 |
| tito3 | there are no electronics | 21:44 |
| tito3 | platinum probes | 21:44 |
| kanzure | the power supply is totally separate? | 21:44 |
| tito3 | yep | 21:44 |
| tito3 | ok, so you haven't done gel electrophoresis? | 21:45 |
| kanzure | yes, I have. | 21:45 |
| kanzure | I thought you were making an integrated gel box though | 21:45 |
| kanzure | and thus why everyone was talking about a power supply at the same time :/ | 21:45 |
| fenn | disassembly for cleaning is good either way | 21:45 |
| tito3 | nope, I talked with philip | 21:46 |
| tito3 | the power supply is simply to lower the cost from $100 | 21:46 |
| tito3 | but the gel box does have major integration -- putting the illuminator with the chamber | 21:46 |
| tito3 | usually you'd have to take your gel out of the chamber and place it in an illuminator | 21:46 |
| kanzure | right | 21:46 |
| fenn | you can just use UV LED's now right? | 21:46 |
| kanzure | wait, so the gel box imager / transilluminator work is now being integrated? | 21:47 |
| tito3 | that was the original idea | 21:47 |
| tito3 | integrate a gel box + illuminator | 21:47 |
| tito3 | and redesign a few thing to be nicer | 21:47 |
| tito3 | re: UV LEDs | 21:47 |
| tito3 | we are planning to use blue light instead, plus filters | 21:47 |
| fenn | hm. i've never used SYBR* stains, are they visible or UV? | 21:48 |
| tito3 | visible | 21:48 |
| kanzure | visible | 21:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: really? | 21:48 |
| fenn | academic labs are weird | 21:48 |
| tito3 | academic labs are full of shit | 21:49 |
| fenn | i had to go through a whole rigamarole just to try out the non-P32 labeling kit (nobody had ever used one) | 21:49 |
| tito3 | anyway, so the nickel coating on the magnets is the biggest concern | 21:49 |
| kanzure | do you have access to material science handbooks to look up nickel interactions and such? | 21:50 |
| tito3 | besides that, magnets sound like the best option | 21:50 |
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| fenn | interactions? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | salt water degradation rate with nickel | 21:50 |
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| kanzure | I don't think that's just stoich, maybe I'm wrong | 21:50 |
| fenn | corrosion rate is proportional to current | 21:51 |
| kanzure | oh. | 21:51 |
| fenn | tito0: i can't see anything on your website in my browser (konqueror) | 21:53 |
| fenn | or dillo either | 21:54 |
| fenn | since it's just text and images i wonder why you didnt use html | 21:55 |
| fenn | n/m it is html.. i wonder why it doesnt work | 21:56 |
| tito0 | it uses a nonstandard font of my handwriting | 21:58 |
| tito0 | other opinions on magnetic connectors? | 22:00 |
| fenn | if i delete class="wp-caption-text" it works ok | 22:05 |
| fenn | i think you should use a switch.. they're inexpensive and designed to do what you want | 22:06 |
| ybit | where did the 'no philosphy' philosophy come from? what convo was this | 22:07 |
| fenn | ybit: from endless useless philosophy conversations and the resulting lack of any result | 22:07 |
| tito0 | ok, will a switch get corroded with water? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | disassembly for washing | 22:07 |
| fenn | if it gets water inside it, yes | 22:08 |
| kanzure | how about a snap on/off or in/out mechanism? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | so that when you want to wash the part that has the switch in it, just take out the switch | 22:08 |
| fenn | i've seen switches in a housing with a little rod poking out that has an o-ring around it, probably overkill for this though | 22:08 |
| fenn | wrapping it in saran wrap is probably good enough | 22:09 |
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| ybit | austin fablab? hmm, i thought it was a tech shop.. | 22:13 |
| kanzure | it was going to become the austin techshop, but that tanked | 22:14 |
| kanzure | and now it's not really a fablab in the gershenfeld/mit sense | 22:14 |
| kanzure | but les wants to call it something stupid :p | 22:14 |
| kanzure | and 'fab lab' happens to be better imo. | 22:14 |
| ybit | heh, so what's missing? | 22:14 |
| ybit | kind of sounds misleading | 22:14 |
| kanzure | well the idea is to eventually do a diff compare on the fablab and techshop inventories, but there's some "big pieces of equipment" that are missing, like a sufficiently multi-axis cnc machine, a plasma cutter, metal lathe, .. | 22:14 |
| kanzure | it is misleading, it's true | 22:15 |
| kanzure | I guess 'fab lab' is the closest thing though to describe it | 22:15 |
| kanzure | (he wants to call it "myfab.org") | 22:15 |
| ybit | perhaps of interest, the only things lacking in blender which prevents it from being like AutoCAD: implicit surfaces with csg ops and NURBS patches | 22:16 |
| ybit | that's it | 22:16 |
| kanzure | eh | 22:16 |
| kanzure | parametrics? | 22:16 |
| ybit | right | 22:16 |
| kanzure | what? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | is that what NURBS is? | 22:17 |
| fenn | what does les want to call it? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: myfab.org | 22:17 |
| kanzure | I told him I'd think of something better.. | 22:17 |
| fenn | les'sfab.org | 22:17 |
| kanzure | "Non-uniform rational B-spline (NURBS) is a mathematical model commonly used in computer graphics for generating and representing curves and surfaces." | 22:18 |
| ybit | kanzure: yes | 22:18 |
| ybit | "NURBS, Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines, are mathematical representations of 3-D geometry that can accurately describe any shape from a simple 2-D line, circle, arc, or curve to the most complex 3-D organic free-form surface or solid. Because of their flexibility and accuracy, NURBS models can be used in any process from illustration and animation to manufacturing." | 22:18 |
| fenn | foolbox.org | 22:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: isn't that a wm? | 22:18 |
| fenn | foolbox? looks fairly austere in the noosphere | 22:18 |
| fenn | uh, i mean nobody is using that name yet | 22:18 |
| kanzure | superfab.org <-- bryan is bad at naming things | 22:19 |
| fenn | suprfab.org | 22:19 |
| kanzure | fabuntu still works for me. but it's kinda squatted | 22:19 |
| fenn | yeah that's so lame | 22:19 |
| kanzure | the squatting is lame? | 22:19 |
| fenn | yes | 22:19 |
| kanzure | (I know I asked that once before, but whatever) | 22:20 |
| kanzure | maybe we can ask nicely. | 22:20 |
| fenn | ybit: blender does nurbs already, tons of them | 22:20 |
| kanzure | I can't believe blender doesn't have csg ops | 22:21 |
| fenn | it's lacking parametric dimensioning (or any dimensioning really) | 22:21 |
| kanzure | that sounds wrong | 22:21 |
| fenn | it has mesh CSG | 22:21 |
| kanzure | that's just point substraction | 22:21 |
| kanzure | yeah | 22:21 |
| fenn | and mesh primitives, i dont really see the difference | 22:21 |
| kanzure | is that not enough? | 22:21 |
| fenn | if you have feature based CAM it's enough | 22:21 |
| fenn | that's sort of "black magic" though | 22:21 |
| kanzure | huh? | 22:21 |
| kanzure | feature manufacturing? | 22:21 |
| fenn | >$10k black magic | 22:21 |
| fenn | feature recognition | 22:22 |
| kanzure | "it's a knob! do something special because it's a knob" sorta thingy? | 22:22 |
| fenn | like "this looks like a cylindrical hole, i'll drill it" | 22:22 |
| kanzure | ooOooo. (an ooh of awe) | 22:22 |
| kanzure | that sounds like CSG could work there too, | 22:22 |
| ybit | fenn: with nurbs patches you build an object out of planier 'patches' similar to meshes | 22:22 |
| kanzure | if you wanted to be lame make it out of a GA for an optimal number of different manufacturing techniques to make the same internal model | 22:22 |
| fenn | if you keep track of the implicit geometry (cylinder or whatever) it's much easier to recognize a cylinder :P | 22:23 |
| kanzure | and then whichever one matches the best (or, perfectly), is the one that has the list of manufacturing techniques- like drilling | 22:23 |
| kanzure | but maybe there's an analytical way to do it | 22:23 |
| fenn | ybit: maybe i dont understand what's missing, but i'm pretty sure blender has NURBS patches | 22:23 |
| kanzure | hm, les and I were talking about how clean the blender api may or may not be | 22:24 |
| kanzure | or maybe that was with dave | 22:24 |
| kanzure | gah, why am I talking to all of you separately | 22:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.blender.org/documentation/242PythonDoc/index.html | 22:24 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/blender-nurbs.png | 22:24 |
| kanzure | not found | 22:24 |
| fenn | er, try again | 22:24 |
| kanzure | black magic! | 22:25 |
| fenn | the nurbs sphere could become just about any shape, since you can add or remove control points | 22:26 |
| ybit | www.opennurbs.com | 22:28 |
| fenn | i remember something not cool about that | 22:29 |
| fenn | like you had to use rhino or something | 22:29 |
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| fenn | it seems to be mainly for importing/exporting rhino files | 22:30 |
| kanzure | so I wonder where in blender you'd even begin to put dimensioning information. | 22:30 |
| kanzure | visual annotation is something to consider later. for the moment, python/api-accessible dimensioning tools and information on the objects would be fine | 22:31 |
| fenn | you mean where in the UI? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | and then a popup wizard demanding you insert dimensions (solidworks does this) (kind of annoying, but you get used to expecting it to happen) | 22:31 |
| kanzure | nope, | 22:31 |
| kanzure | I mean where in blender's object data model. | 22:31 |
| fenn | there is no "file format" really, .blend is just a memory dump | 22:31 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | is blender OOPerized, or is it a giant version 2.0 of nethack? | 22:32 |
| fenn | i dont know.. it's mostly C | 22:32 |
| kanzure | sounds dangerous | 22:32 |
| kanzure | structs I guess | 22:32 |
| fenn | i think there have been numerous efforts to "clean up" the code, probably making it more OOP-ish | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.blender.org/development/architecture/ | 22:33 |
| fenn | most of C++ is glorified function pointers | 22:33 |
| kanzure | " | 22:34 |
| kanzure | It has a strictly organised 'Data Oriented' structure, almost like a database, but with some Object Oriented aspects in it. It was entirely written in plain C. In designing Blender, an attempt was made to define structures as uniformly as possible, for all the possible 3D representations and for all the universal tools that perform data(base) work." | 22:34 |
| kanzure | " | 22:34 |
| kanzure | Although some jokingly called Blender a 'struct visualizer', the name is actually quite accurate. During the first month's of Blender's development, we did little but devise structures and write include files. During the years that followed, mostly tools and visualisation methods were worked out." | 22:34 |
| kanzure | well at least that sounds promising | 22:34 |
| ybit | i wonder why there hasn't been anything on /. digg or reddit on the ES OS developed by google | 22:35 |
| fenn | what's the fuss about ES? | 22:35 |
| ybit | there isn't a fuss, i'm wondering why there isn't one :P | 22:36 |
| ybit | it's an actual google os that has always been rumored about | 22:36 |
| fenn | "lets make an entire operating system in java! whee" | 22:36 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Es_(operating_system) | 22:36 |
| fenn | er s/java/javascript/ | 22:36 |
| fenn | and then call it ECMAScript to confuse people | 22:36 |
| ybit | hehe | 22:36 |
| ybit | actually it's written mostly in c++ | 22:37 |
| ybit | http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/wiki/XV_Semana_Informatica | 22:37 |
| ybit | ^ description of the os | 22:37 |
| fenn | bleh | 22:37 |
| fenn | can i have a 2 sentence summary? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | it's starting to look like adding a list of parametric definitions (strings?) would be ok, just throw that in to the 'object' thingy. And then just have a tool to hook into check it each time a modification is made (a callback) (or we can go edit all of the functions and cry) | 22:38 |
| fenn | kanzure: have you looked at heekscad yet? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | well, not codewise and I haven't downloaded it | 22:39 |
| kanzure | I guess I should go do that now, while I'm avoiding homework | 22:39 |
| fenn | http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/wiki/CompilingForDebian | 22:39 |
| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/pub/captainslog/compile_heekscad | 22:40 |
| kanzure | oh | 22:40 |
| fenn | oh crap is that still public? | 22:40 |
| fenn | damn symlinks :) | 22:40 |
| kanzure | seems to not be anything private | 22:41 |
| kanzure | oh, you posted that | 22:41 |
| kanzure | that's why it looks so familiar. | 22:41 |
| fenn | yes, i was annoyed by http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/wiki/CompilingForUbuntu | 22:42 |
| fenn | dan is a windows user | 22:42 |
| kanzure | holy crap | 22:43 |
| kanzure | I wonder how much trouble he went to when coming up with that | 22:44 |
| fenn | anyway, my point is that opencascade is designed for CAD already, and blender is not, and multiple past attempts at CAD-izing blender have failed, so why mess with blender when there are real FOSS cad programs being developed | 22:46 |
| ybit | anyone tried salome? | 22:46 |
| kanzure | I think I almost tried salome once :) | 22:46 |
| fenn | rawr try it out and tell us | 22:46 |
| kanzure | something about a huge download | 22:46 |
| kanzure | larger than openfoam | 22:46 |
| kanzure | http://www.salome-platform.org/download/dl414/ | 22:47 |
| kanzure | yep, 1 GB | 22:47 |
| kanzure | or 96 MB of sources | 22:47 |
| fenn | i bet they just package the whole opencascade build.. | 22:47 |
| fenn | i'm amazed that debian got libopencascade down to 27MB | 22:47 |
| fenn | it needs like 2GB disk space to compile | 22:47 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/captainslog/compile_freecad | 22:48 |
| fenn | pain in the ass | 22:48 |
| fenn | #make sure you have at least 7GB available, maybe more | 22:49 |
| fenn | time make | 22:49 |
| fenn | #real 568m35.068s | 22:49 |
| kanzure | weird, in heekscad drawing a sketch doesn't show up until you are done drawing your lines. | 22:50 |
| kanzure | which is kind of hard to do when you don't know where your last point was | 22:50 |
| fenn | if you're going to try salome check opennovation.org first, that's the guy who packages things for debian (he seems to do a good job) | 22:50 |
| fenn | the lines are black | 22:50 |
| kanzure | only once I click "finish drawing" | 22:50 |
| kanzure | or "finish sketch" | 22:50 |
| fenn | uh, maybe they're white | 22:50 |
| fenn | i use a gray background | 22:50 |
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| kanzure | ah, I was drawing on a surface | 22:51 |
| fenn | ybit: better yet, download caelinux.com and boot the DVD | 22:51 |
| gene | hello | 22:51 |
| kanzure | ok, just extruded a sketch in heekscad | 22:51 |
| kanzure | what's missing here? | 22:52 |
| fenn | what's missing what? | 22:52 |
| gene | opensource cad? | 22:52 |
| kanzure | it's conceivable that I don't know what features to be looking for | 22:53 |
| fenn | oh, what's missing from "fully functional cad program"? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:53 |
| kanzure | hm, scripting? | 22:53 |
| ybit | fenn: woah, caelinux is pretty neat | 22:53 |
| kanzure | ybit: :) | 22:53 |
| kanzure | I was going to install that today, but the guy who was going to do it crapped out (giving somebody something to do) | 22:54 |
| fenn | it needs parametric dimensioning, better support for grouping/modifying objects and feature trees, instantiation, and the sketcher sucks | 22:54 |
| kanzure | wait, have I not used parametric dimensioning before? | 22:54 |
| fenn | better snap-to UI (the functionality is there, under "selection filter" and "digitizing" but it is too hard to use in practice) | 22:54 |
| kanzure | because I just dimensioned a few edges ok, | 22:54 |
| kanzure | does it not scale or something? | 22:54 |
| fenn | eh? | 22:55 |
| fenn | hang on lemme svn up | 22:55 |
| kanzure | I downloaded this version a few days ago and just didn't compile | 22:55 |
| fenn | he's surprisingly fast at implementing feature requests | 22:55 |
| fenn | i wish pythonizer.org would release his source | 22:56 |
| fenn | six years and nothing happened, why not release it? | 22:57 |
| ybit | there's something very similar to pythonizer for ruby | 22:57 |
| kanzure | wonder if it does some BNF grammar comparison trick or something | 22:57 |
| ybit | http://www.goto.info.waseda.ac.jp/~fukusima/ruby/python-e.html | 22:57 |
| ybit | it isn't up-to-date though | 22:58 |
| fenn | bah i dont want to call python from ruby, i want to call c++ from python | 22:58 |
| ybit | (off-topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwR6w2TgxY ) | 22:59 |
| * fenn braces for philosophizing | 23:04 | |
| * kanzure is hooked on heekscad | 23:08 | |
| fenn | opencascade imports STEP which means it's automatically compatible with all "professional" cad programs | 23:09 |
| fenn | and IGES | 23:09 |
| fenn | and it's Free! | 23:10 |
| fenn | i wish someone had told me two years ago | 23:10 |
| kanzure | so, I've never come across a really awesome way to do 3D point/object/face selection | 23:13 |
| kanzure | I looked into it many years ago for my 3D video game map editors and so on | 23:13 |
| kanzure | I'm sure there's some really fancy trig that you can make up | 23:13 |
| fenn | hilight the edge as you mouse over, click to select | 23:14 |
| fenn | center points for faces | 23:14 |
| fenn | anywhere else selects the object | 23:14 |
| fenn | right now you have to click exactly on the edge pixel | 23:15 |
| kanzure | hm, might as well submit a bug about not being able to select faces to draw on | 23:15 |
| fenn | i think edges could be fatter fwiw | 23:15 |
| kanzure | although it's not a big deal | 23:15 |
| fenn | you can select faces | 23:15 |
| fenn | but i dont think you can draw on them | 23:15 |
| kanzure | can't seem to draw on them (which again doesn't matter) | 23:15 |
| fenn | i think it does matter | 23:15 |
| kanzure | just drag your structure over to the right location and do a subtraction | 23:15 |
| fenn | you should be able to go back and edit the sketch to change the final object | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ack, error on taking the "common" between a thin cylinder and some weird extruded combined sketch. no particular error, just frozen. | 23:17 |
| fenn | jeez either my computer is dirt slow or yours is really fast (still compiling heekscad) | 23:17 |
| fenn | combined sketch was funky last i tried it | 23:17 |
| kanzure | quadcore 2.6 GHz 4 GB RAM 2 TB hdd. | 23:19 |
| * kanzure hears a "fuck you" coming on. | 23:19 | |
| fenn | meh | 23:20 |
| fenn | where's my internetified distcc | 23:20 |
| fenn | + ccache | 23:21 |
| kanzure | distcc? | 23:21 |
| fenn | == gentoo with the convenience of debian | 23:21 |
| fenn | distributed compiler and compiler cache | 23:21 |
| kanzure | heh | 23:21 |
| fenn | so you hash the src and if it has been compiled somewhere already you just download the binary | 23:21 |
| fenn | if it hasnt been compiled already you farm it out | 23:21 |
| fenn | 9m37.466s i shouldnt whine i guess | 23:22 |
| fenn | dunno why it's segfaulting now though | 23:22 |
| kanzure | are you using that pipe monitor trick from linux magazine that I linked to a few days ago? | 23:23 |
| kanzure | or is there some other timing mechanism that I am unaware of? | 23:23 |
| kanzure | that pipe trick was for percent complete / size of pipe transfers within the shell, so nevermind on that | 23:23 |
| fenn | dying at clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {1346750, 278695719}) | 23:24 |
| fenn | type this at a terminal | 23:25 |
| fenn | time sleep 1 | 23:25 |
| kanzure | hm, selecting two different sketches, and moving them around simultaneously, and clicking around a lot (as if you're trying to submerge one just below the face of the other so that you can subtract), makes it segfault. These segfaults are very nondescriptive. | 23:25 |
| fenn | yeah that's the problem with C++ | 23:26 |
| fenn | (a problem) | 23:26 |
| fenn | i think you're supposed to use gdb to figure out what's going on; i never got the hang of it though | 23:26 |
| gene | WARNING! YOUR AREA IS UNDER A LEVEL 2 FALLING SPACE DEBRIS ALERT! PLEASE PROCEED TO THE NEAREST IMPACT SHELTER IMMEDIATELY! | 23:38 |
| gene | http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/021609dnmetdebris.1c083e1f.html | 23:38 |
| * fenn hides under the bed | 23:38 | |
| gene | THIS ALERT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO ALL CITIZENS OF GEOFRONT 3B | 23:39 |
| gene | just kidding | 23:39 |
| gene | watch for space debris though | 23:39 |
| gene | I hear they look quite cool | 23:39 |
| fenn | and you get a free wish | 23:40 |
| fenn | no sacrificing of goats necessary | 23:40 |
| gene | maybe even a fuel tank with fuel in it! | 23:41 |
| gene | Kanzure I need to send you some cool pics of what a falling o'neill cylinder might look like | 23:41 |
| fenn | oh i saw that on gundam | 23:44 |
| gene | so that's where that is from | 23:44 |
| gene | never seen gundam | 23:44 |
| gene | maybe just a couple frame of gundam and SD gundam but that's it | 23:45 |
| gene | ugh | 23:45 |
| gene | SD gundam | 23:45 |
| kanzure | hm, maybe I'll work on a part fitting (geometric) algorithm for heekscad | 23:46 |
| kanzure | I have this large repository of lego parts. | 23:46 |
| kanzure | in .stp | 23:46 |
| fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6_Tk5ySAIM <- colony drop | 23:47 |
| kanzure | hm, I have model parts for a laser? | 23:47 |
| fenn | realistically it would splash like a water balloon though | 23:49 |
| fenn | the nuclear bomb-ish flash is correct | 23:49 |
| fenn | cool painting http://miotd.com/images/20080620.jpg | 23:50 |
| gene | why does it still stand up? | 23:56 |
| gene | I'd expect a falling colony to do a lot more damage | 23:56 |
| gene | now let's see how high is L1 | 23:56 |
| gene | and how high much a space colony weighs | 23:58 |
| fenn | hm. is an elliptical orbit faster at perigee than a circular low orbit? | 23:58 |
| fenn | anyway figure mach 30 as a minimum velocity | 23:58 |
| fenn | it would have to be faster but i dont know how to calculate how much faster since the gravity drops off with height | 23:59 |
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