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| * katsmeow-afk is looking for opinions: what does the prefix "epi" mean in here? | 00:18 | |
| willPow3r | top, outermost | 00:19 |
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| willPow3r | or before | 00:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | as in epistemology or epidermis, and it is the real prefix (if any) in epistemology ? | 00:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | not "root of branching structure" ? | 00:20 |
| kanzure | sounds right to me | 00:20 |
| kanzure | for epistemology, I mean. | 00:20 |
| * katsmeow-afk hmms over it a bit | 00:21 | |
| kanzure | hm, 60 MB results file for 2 seconds of a simulation | 00:22 |
| kanzure | yeah, I'm going to need the visualization lab for this | 00:22 |
| * kanzure cackles | 00:22 | |
| gene_ | really? | 00:24 |
| gene_ | or can your super box do it? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | super box froze trying to do it | 00:25 |
| kanzure | but it worked for a while, and I didn't actually see anything that looked like useful results | 00:25 |
| gene_ | reallly? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | so I'm going to try running a reduced model just to make sure it's doing its thing | 00:25 |
| kanzure | like a 20-point model or something :p | 00:25 |
| kanzure | huh, but it runs on the laptop under ElmerPost | 00:36 |
| kanzure | just no data was generated. hrm. | 00:36 |
| kanzure | ok, will have to run the reduced model | 00:36 |
| kanzure | is it ok if the spiral suddenly becomes approximated by a square? | 00:36 |
| gene_ | is a spiral a square? | 00:37 |
| gene_ | if it is then yes | 00:38 |
| kanzure | no? | 00:38 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 00:38 |
| gene_ | is just the spiral channel being simulated? | 00:39 |
| kanzure | do you know how this works? | 00:40 |
| gene_ | or are you simulating the block the spiral is in | 00:40 |
| kanzure | well, the mesher includes the block, but the simulation doesn't bother with points in the model that nothing is happening at | 00:40 |
| gene_ | are you sure? | 00:40 |
| kanzure | no | 00:40 |
| kanzure | it certainly takes up memory, if that's what you're wondering | 00:41 |
| kanzure | anyway, just generated the 130-coordinate version of the spiral (hah) | 00:41 |
| gene_ | then lets find a way to reduce it | 00:41 |
| kanzure | this is it. no way to make this smaller. | 00:41 |
| * kanzure tries running it now | 00:41 | |
| * kanzure runs ElmerSolver again | 00:41 | |
| kanzure | yep, much faster | 00:42 |
| kanzure | amazing | 00:42 |
| gene_ | cool | 00:42 |
| gene_ | visuallize it | 00:43 |
| kanzure | hrm, elmergui isn't showing it (which is the important part- it's through elmer that we can set the boundaries and initial conditions) | 00:43 |
| kanzure | maybe I should run it through gmsh again just to be sure | 00:43 |
| kanzure | segmentation fault. blah. I like how it doesn't say what's wrong. | 00:46 |
| gene_ | wait a minute | 00:47 |
| gene_ | you can simulate the fluid flow in pictures | 00:48 |
| kanzure | ElmerFront still works though. just don't know how to select the right locations with a mouse. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:48 |
| kanzure | but I have the model working now | 00:48 |
| gene_ | I need to send you some pictures | 00:48 |
| kanzure | I recompiled gmsh with OpenCASCADE support | 00:48 |
| kanzure | so that it can open up the IGES/STEP files, and that's what I'm generating the mesh from | 00:48 |
| kanzure | and once the mesh is generated, it's passed to ElmerGrid, and then from there I can open it up with ElmerFront (and theoretically ElmerGUI, but that doesn't seem to be the case) | 00:48 |
| kanzure | yesterday I figured out how to select "inlets" (boundaries) with ElmerFront in some obscure menu, but when I checked back today, it no longer exists there | 00:49 |
| gene_ | sent | 00:50 |
| kanzure | aha, found it | 00:53 |
| kanzure | bitches. | 00:53 |
| kanzure | gene_: this is what I mean by boundaries: http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-03-30_boundaries.png | 00:57 |
| gene_ | is that an outlet? | 00:57 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:57 |
| gene_ | ummmm... | 00:58 |
| kanzure | sshh, I was just randomly clicking | 00:58 |
| gene_ | I don't like the way that you are still simulating much of the block | 00:58 |
| gene_ | oh and how do i boot into ubuntu? | 00:58 |
| kanzure | did you install it? | 00:58 |
| gene_ | yeah | 00:58 |
| kanzure | have you rebooted since then? | 00:58 |
| gene_ | yeah | 00:59 |
| kanzure | were you looking at the screen the entire time? | 00:59 |
| gene_ | no | 00:59 |
| kanzure | well there's your problem :) | 00:59 |
| gene_ | I'm going to restart | 00:59 |
| kanzure | it's an option menu when you're booting up | 00:59 |
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| kanzure | can't use empty string as operand of "!" why not? the problemed line is "if { ![Boundary::readDiscretationData] }" | 01:10 |
| kanzure | what's so wrong about asking about !"" ? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | that should evaluate to true | 01:10 |
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| gene_ | ok kanzure | 01:12 |
| gene_ | I get a command line | 01:12 |
| gene_ | initramfs or something | 01:12 |
| gene_ | how do I get to the cool GUI? | 01:13 |
| fenn | you broke it! | 01:17 |
| kanzure | did you try pressing ALT+F7 ? | 01:21 |
| gene_ | no | 01:21 |
| gene_ | what does that do? | 01:21 |
| kanzure | initramfs is usually where it is doing the mount process | 01:21 |
| kanzure | did you wait? | 01:21 |
| kanzure | ALT+F7 switches to tty7 which is usually reserved for "cool GUI stuff" | 01:21 |
| gene_ | it said loading | 01:21 |
| kanzure | so obviously you had to turn it off | 01:21 |
| ybit | just wondering, what's with the windows styling? is it a win machine? | 01:22 |
| gene_ | there was a flashing command line | 01:22 |
| gene_ | it is | 01:22 |
| kanzure | ybit: what's with the what? | 01:22 |
| gene_ | a win machine | 01:22 |
| ybit | from your linked image above | 01:22 |
| kanzure | KDE | 01:22 |
| ybit | ah, good man | 01:22 |
| kanzure | heh, clicking "cancel" on the boundaries window (which was producing that error) and then checking back on the same menu shows that its error wasn't actually an error and it was just complaining to be an attention whore. | 01:23 |
| kanzure | oh wells. | 01:23 |
| gene_ | ok so try alt+f7 then | 01:26 |
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| kanzure | am I going to have to "teach him linux"? | 01:26 |
| * kanzure qmake&makes elmergui | 01:36 | |
| fenn | looks like it | 01:39 |
| fenn | it's ctrl-alt-f7 btw | 01:39 |
| kanzure | only when you're in an x session | 01:40 |
| kanzure | in which case you're already there | 01:40 |
| kanzure | elmergui failed "with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs 3.3.8b)" | 01:41 |
| kanzure | you've got to be kidding me. Qt Designer? sigh | 01:42 |
| kanzure | well, at least I can apt-get install qt3-designer | 01:42 |
| kanzure | apt-get remove qt4-designer worked, but then it still complains that I have 4.0. | 01:43 |
| kanzure | maybe I'll make clean. | 01:44 |
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| gene_ | ok I got to the login screen | 01:44 |
| gene_ | but I forgot the username I gave it when I installed it | 01:45 |
| gene_ | I fail it | 01:45 |
| fenn | i'm disappointed in you gene_ | 01:47 |
| ybit | :P | 01:47 |
| ybit | you are trying though | 01:47 |
| gene_ | I guess I'll just brute force it with all possible passwords I could have typed | 01:48 |
| fenn | ubuntu is probably the easiest thing to install ever | 01:48 |
| ybit | hehe | 01:48 |
| gene_ | yeah | 01:48 |
| gene_ | it was easy to install | 01:48 |
| kanzure | it should still have the user name in wubi | 01:48 |
| gene_ | where is wubi? | 01:49 |
| kanzure | didn't you use wubi? | 01:49 |
| gene_ | yes | 01:49 |
| kanzure | I'm confused. | 01:49 |
| gene_ | I used wubi | 01:50 |
| gene_ | what sort of file should I look for? | 01:50 |
| kanzure | then go use it again | 01:50 |
| kanzure | just don't install ubuntu | 01:50 |
| kanzure | it will still have the username written down in one of the fields | 01:51 |
| gene_ | ok | 01:51 |
| fenn | oh i thought he already installed ubuntu | 01:51 |
| kanzure | I think he did | 01:51 |
| kanzure | he forgot the username | 01:51 |
| kanzure | it's specified in the wubi gui wizard thing | 01:51 |
| kanzure | I remember this because I had a corrupt ubuntu install (I know, gay) on a recent windows box | 01:51 |
| gene_ | wubi wants to uninstall ubuntu | 01:52 |
| gene_ | I installed ubuntu | 01:52 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 01:52 |
| kanzure | well, don't do that | 01:52 |
| kanzure | just remember the username and password? | 01:52 |
| gene_ | wubildr perhaps? | 01:53 |
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| ybit | http://leoville.com/2009/03/16/21978/?disqus_reply=7620758#comment-7620758 | 01:58 |
| ybit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw | 01:58 |
| ybit | and for archivng purposes: http://www.wilbourhall.org/ | 01:59 |
| ybit | it was actually a bit tricky finding those works | 02:01 |
| ybit | google books recommends books from amazon which gbooks only has limited previews of | 02:01 |
| ybit | so far, i've yet to find an english translation, and for me attempting to read latin is like reading spanish in that the gist is understood, but the details are missing | 02:02 |
| ybit | </tweet> | 02:03 |
| kanzure | why would uic drop the "-i" option in version 4.4 whereas it had it in 3.38? | 02:04 |
| kanzure | blah | 02:04 |
| kanzure | ah, they switched it to "-impl" | 02:05 |
| ybit | what are the microfluidics tests for exactly? | 02:20 |
| ybit | no particular purpose? | 02:23 |
| kanzure | preparing to run a giant microfluidics simulation | 02:30 |
| kanzure | also, I've finally learned how to use gdb | 02:30 |
| ybit | :) | 02:30 |
| kanzure | gah, unfortunately the stack only shows qt events instead of the real reason for the sigsev | 02:31 |
| ybit | okay, so what are you looking for in this simulation? | 02:31 |
| kanzure | delta density | 02:31 |
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| gene_ | I got ubuntu working | 02:39 |
| gene_ | now I just have to get ubuntu working with the internet | 02:39 |
| kanzure | there's a tutorial on utexas.edu | 02:39 |
| gene_ | yeah I know | 02:39 |
| gene_ | I will do that later | 02:39 |
| gene_ | it's 2:41 am | 02:40 |
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| kanzure | oh, so it is. | 02:41 |
| kanzure | hm, compiling elmerfront seems to have helped. elmergui still crashes, but at least elmerfront is working, and even now accepts multiple boundaries. | 02:44 |
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| ybit | for some reason, i had it in my mind that you guys were in a seperate time zone, silly me | 02:52 |
| kanzure | he lives a block away :P | 02:54 |
| kanzure | so yes, a different timezone by 0.0001 nautical degrees | 02:54 |
| kanzure | which are different from normal degrees because you say it with a pirate voice | 02:54 |
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| gene_ | oh and guess what? | 03:02 |
| gene_ | you know the first in car navigation system used a fluidic gyroscope | 03:02 |
| gene_ | one with no moving parts | 03:03 |
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| ybit | heh, i was referring to you austizens and myself | 03:40 |
| fenn | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/attachments/1003_Building%20a%20Hacker%20Space.pdf | 03:43 |
| fenn | i love the mini bathtub + tux bathmat | 03:46 |
| fenn | "let's do the EPROM" (apron) http://elm-chan.org/gfx/ec10.jpeg | 05:00 |
| fenn | i guess the pun isn't funny if you dont read katakana | 05:00 |
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| kanzure | life's less fun when you wake up and see "1:12" on the alarm clock and think you've traveled backwards in time only to find out that it was a '7' being obstructed :( | 07:13 |
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| kanzure | what gender is the name 'Makoto' and why isn't saying 'eir' acceptable anymore? | 08:26 |
| kanzure | there should be a way to respectfully say "I don't know what gender this name is" | 08:26 |
| kanzure | you'd think that a country that is experiencing globalization or something would have something like that in its language | 08:26 |
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| kanzure | http://www.newresilient.com/2009/03/24/keep-calm-carry-on-econopocalypse/ | 09:55 |
| kanzure | meh, nevermind | 09:57 |
| kanzure | avoid | 09:57 |
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| kanzure | lesson learned: never ever call apt-get -t unstable r-base | 18:30 |
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| kanzure | Hello anthonyl. | 19:29 |
| anthonyl | howdy | 19:30 |
| anthonyl | how's it goin? | 19:31 |
| kanzure | Going good. Compiling R. Plotting a 1000x1000 matrix. Life is good. | 19:32 |
| anthonyl | :-p i've never got around to playing around with R much other then peeking at the docs a few months ago | 19:34 |
| anthonyl | you enjoying it? | 19:34 |
| kanzure | not yet, so far it's broken my debian installation | 20:02 |
| kanzure | anybody know how to do conditional expressions in OO.o Calc? I want to color the cells with a background color based off of their values so that the minimum value in the dataset is more towards one end of the color spectrum. | 20:03 |
| anthonyl | found this on google, http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3642930.php it seems close to what you want | 20:07 |
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| fenn | hello anthonyl|nap | 20:07 |
| fenn | enjoy your nap | 20:07 |
| fenn | kanzure: you've never heard of permaculture? | 20:08 |
| fenn | there was a lot of that in bloomington | 20:09 |
| fenn | or failed attempts at it, at least | 20:09 |
| fenn | how do they make sure the nucleotide goes through the cyclodextrin? | 20:11 |
| fenn | hell why not just run the whole strand through the pore and measure current as the nt's go by | 20:13 |
| kanzure | that's what the other groups do with nanopore sequencing | 20:24 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencing has some updated notes, I also edited the wikipedia article on the topic and did a bit of a dump | 20:26 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanopore_sequencing | 20:26 |
| kanzure | gnuplot doesn't do too well with a million data points in 3D space | 20:28 |
| kanzure | feels like something my GPU should be doing | 20:28 |
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| * kanzure sighs in relief. /var/backup/dpkg.status.0 saves the day once again. | 21:11 | |
| fenn | what's that? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | it's a backup of /var/apt/dpkg/status | 21:20 |
| kanzure | so that when people do stupid things with dpkg (like interrupt a partial update of dpkg) they can at least partially fix things | 21:21 |
| kanzure | as they inevitably will do. those stupid things. er. | 21:21 |
| fenn | uff.. it includes all the descriptions and stuff, not just the name and version | 21:23 |
| kanzure | yes, I've been wondering how it processes so quickly | 21:25 |
| kanzure | then I remembered that it doesn't. | 21:25 |
| kanzure | (thus the lag when "reading package database") | 21:25 |
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| myelinzar | Hey RandIter. | 10:20 |
| RandIter | hello | 10:20 |
| RandIter | what are some of the routine and useful medical tests that one can do at home by oneself on a regular basis? i only want to know about those that don't cost too much. | 10:24 |
| RandIter | i guess some very basic ones are weight, pulse rate, urine ph | 10:25 |
| RandIter | if someone had a good microscope, maybe they could do more | 10:26 |
| RandIter | especially with urine | 10:26 |
| RandIter | or saliva | 10:27 |
| RandIter | blood sugar too, for some | 10:39 |
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| kanzure | http://uat2.iomer.com/PinkArmy/index.html | 13:20 |
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| fenn | myelinzar sounds like a pokemon which reduces enemies' muscle control to random spasmodic twitching | 19:23 |
| xp_prg2 | I just had the coolest idea | 19:24 |
| xp_prg2 | what if we used a 3d printer to create an electric car? | 19:24 |
| fenn | oh crap my ignore settings are gone on this client | 19:24 |
| ybit | haha | 19:25 |
| fenn | it's not funny :( | 19:28 |
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| kanzure | is there an opengl extension to gnuplot? getting it to render a million points is a big pain | 20:23 |
| xp_prg2 | kanzue use scientific visualization libaries/tools | 20:26 |
| xp_prg2 | they are more designed for such puposes | 20:26 |
| xp_prg2 | http://www.vtk.org/ | 20:27 |
| xp_prg2 | http://mayavi.sourceforge.net/ wow this uses python! | 20:27 |
| kanzure | I tried paraview, mayavi and mayavi2, which implement vtk, but none of them could import the format I have (gnuplot-standardized) | 20:29 |
| kanzure | and I don't feel like writing a vtk app | 20:29 |
| kanzure | it's ok, I'll just wait until friday- getting ssh access to 30+ HD LCD monitors | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | http://www.me.utexas.edu/ third image- I work with that guy :) | 21:14 |
| gene | huh? | 21:20 |
| gene | hahahhahahaha | 21:21 |
| gene | you're actually gonna do it? | 21:21 |
| gene | crysis on the supercomputer's gonna be epic | 21:21 |
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| kanzure | gene: satalab has itself a server now | 21:31 |
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| kanzure | gah, sshd is turned off by default? | 21:51 |
| * kanzure goes down to the lab to fix | 21:52 | |
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| katsmeow-afk | i hope kanzure survives | 22:03 |
| fenn | it's probably some kind of "cryptographic export restriction" crap | 22:04 |
| fenn | at least i can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be included by default | 22:04 |
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| katsmeow-afk | not that i know of | 22:57 |
| fenn | ah, apparently as of 2008 you can watch unlimited streaming movies if you are a netflix subscriber | 22:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, but the company began in the 1990's | 22:58 |
| fenn | it's only 12000 movies though on "watch instantly" | 22:59 |
| fenn | vs 100,000 in their collection | 22:59 |
| fenn | i think richard schulte is just trolling OM | 23:13 |
| fenn | "hard work is good for you! you should enjoy digging in the dirt subsistence farming, and automation will never be able to do it <insert bunk statistics here>" | 23:13 |
| kanzure | I don't know if people are serious when they argue against automation | 23:20 |
| kanzure | how about them there cells in their body | 23:21 |
| kanzure | let's just get rid of that whole autonomic nervous system, fuck it to hell. | 23:21 |
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