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| drazak | kanzure-: do you think immunology would be a good book for disease? | 00:22 |
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| drazak | I don't want to tax your internet too much... lol | 00:22 |
| kanzure- | get "pathologic basis of disease" | 00:23 |
| kanzure- | the Saunders book. | 00:23 |
| drazak | ty | 00:31 |
| drazak | that on your site somewhere? | 00:31 |
| drazak | got the robbins one | 00:32 |
| kanzure- | close enough. | 00:35 |
| kanzure- | robbins is one of the authors | 00:35 |
| kanzure- | saunders is the publisher | 00:35 |
| kanzure- | http://heybryan.org/books/Medical/Medicine%20-%20Pathology%20-%20Robbins%20Pathologic%20Basis%20Of%20Disease%207ed%20(eBook).pdf | 00:35 |
| drazak | yeah | 00:36 |
| drazak | I'm downloading it | 00:36 |
| drazak | it's ass slow | 00:36 |
| kanzure- | I'm getting 800 kb/sec :) | 00:37 |
| kanzure- | if you want, I'll upload it to the university network | 00:37 |
| kanzure- | and it will be ass-fast | 00:37 |
| fenn | faster than a speeding donkey | 00:38 |
| drazak | nah it's ok | 00:38 |
| kanzure- | uploading at 4.2 MB/sec | 00:39 |
| kanzure- | http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/papers/Medicine%20-%20Pathology%20-%20Robbins%20Pathologic%20Basis%20Of%20Disease%207ed%20(eBook).pdf | 00:39 |
| kanzure- | enjoy | 00:39 |
| kanzure- | and please tell me what the speed is | 00:40 |
| kanzure- | obviously my internal connection speed is completely unreliable | 00:40 |
| drazak | lol | 00:42 |
| drazak | got it in like 8 seconds | 00:42 |
| kanzure- | you know, at that rate, | 00:42 |
| kanzure- | I might as well just install mod_proxy or something | 00:43 |
| kanzure- | on the servers at UT | 00:43 |
| drazak | I was gonna offer that to you | 00:44 |
| drazak | lol | 00:44 |
| drazak | but I don't have a lot of disk space | 00:44 |
| kanzure- | heh some of the other books in /books/Medical/ are funny | 00:46 |
| kanzure- | "SPINE SURGERY FOR THE NEUROLOGIST IN 5 MINUTES OR LESS" | 00:46 |
| genehacker | oh speaking of funny papers | 00:48 |
| kanzure- | it's a book :( | 00:48 |
| genehacker | unplanned space exposure experiment with a flag is interesting | 00:48 |
| kanzure- | hrm. now I need to figure out how to get the javascript working. | 00:51 |
| genehacker | turns out a silk USSR flag doesn't last much more than a year in space | 00:53 |
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| kardan | greetings! | 09:22 |
| drazak | yo | 10:20 |
| kanzure | hello kardan. | 10:40 |
| kardan | hi, i stumbled about this chan on a site about open source hardware | 10:46 |
| kanzure | yay. | 10:50 |
| kardan | and i am about to create a linklost for osh | 10:57 |
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| kanzure- | kardan: a what? | 11:20 |
| kanzure- | what is linklost? | 11:20 |
| kardan | sry, i meant link list | 11:21 |
| kardan | something like a research summary | 11:22 |
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| kanzure- | kardan: oh, I have one | 11:30 |
| kanzure- | http://heybryan.org/om.html | 11:30 |
| kanzure- | also, p2pfoundation.net has some good pages like Category:Design and Product_Hacking | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | hrm. meeting up with david at 12:30. | 12:06 |
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| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Bishop "Bryan Bishop was an American radio personality... ...He was referred to on the show as Bald Bryan." :: i did not know... | 13:42 |
| ybit | :) | 13:42 |
| wrldpc | Random Question: any vegans or vegetarians in here? | 13:52 |
| ybit | <-- | 13:55 |
| ybit | but i guess i can't claim that status after eating chowing on some salmon two days ago... | 13:55 |
| ybit | but i have been for 3 years prior | 13:55 |
| ybit | wrldpc: why, what's up? | 13:55 |
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| splicer | not me... but i drink a lot of coffee | 14:38 |
| ybit | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Robotics:Index | 15:02 |
| ybit | blender for robotics wiki + link to mailing list | 15:02 |
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| nsh | what's new in world domination, fellas? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | hi all. | 16:46 |
| kanzure | wrldpc: fenn is vegetarian | 16:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: just talked with les and treadwell for a few hours | 16:46 |
| genehacker | was it vat grown salmon? | 16:59 |
| genehacker | they can vat grow goldfish cells | 17:01 |
| genehacker | some guy from nasa was crazy enough to cook and eat the stuff | 17:02 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you should have come with me today | 17:06 |
| kanzure | we went to the fablab | 17:06 |
| genehacker | did you call me? | 17:07 |
| genehacker | do you have a laser cutter or CNC machine? | 17:07 |
| genehacker | I need to look at apartments... | 17:09 |
| kanzure | genehacker: I found a place at The Retreat down on Lamar. | 17:11 |
| kanzure | but if you can find some place on campus, you should go for it | 17:11 |
| kanzure | or near campus | 17:11 |
| kanzure | Reliable neuronal logic devices from patterned hippocampal cultures | 17:12 |
| genehacker | how much | 17:15 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Reliable%20neuronal%20logic%20devices%20from%20patterned%20hippocampal%20cultures.pdf | 17:16 |
| kanzure | about $700/mo | 17:16 |
| kanzure | for 690 sq ft. | 17:16 |
| genehacker | found a closer place | 17:16 |
| genehacker | on speedway | 17:16 |
| genehacker | it's jsut for the summer | 17:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: I don't know if that's a good idea or not | 17:22 |
| kanzure | using blender for robotics? | 17:22 |
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| * kanzure goes back to working on the firefox extension | 17:49 | |
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| genehacker | for? | 18:00 |
| genehacker | what does the extension do | 18:00 |
| kanzure- | it's for google scholar | 18:01 |
| kanzure- | in particular it keeps track of your queries that you have already done, so that you don't go in circles | 18:01 |
| kanzure- | and the next version will do something like hook up to a dictionary or something | 18:01 |
| kanzure- | to automatically generate new queries with a combination of words and phrases | 18:01 |
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| kanzure- | that are related to what you are trying to find | 18:01 |
| kanzure- | the reason why is because I commonly go in circles on Google Scholar | 18:02 |
| kanzure- | or forget to do a certain query but with a changed term that I later found to be useful or something | 18:02 |
| kanzure- | and if I would have remembered to do that, I would have found something important much much sooner | 18:02 |
| kanzure- | right now I just need to work on the javascript, the gui part is mostly finished | 18:04 |
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| drazak | haha | 18:15 |
| drazak | people give me shit for free | 18:15 |
| drazak | I love it | 18:15 |
| genehacker | what did you discover one of the advantages of encorporating? | 18:16 |
| drazak | incorporating? | 18:17 |
| genehacker | so you can get companies to send you free stuff | 18:17 |
| genehacker | dear sir or madam my company ######## is interested in utilizing your digital micromirror device in a device we cannot tell you about | 18:18 |
| genehacker | my dad was able to get something like 10 laser diodes that way | 18:19 |
| genehacker | sans incorporation though... | 18:19 |
| drazak | I was talking to someone about finding a densitometer in the 80-150$ range | 18:22 |
| drazak | and he was like | 18:22 |
| drazak | if you can fix it you can have this broken one for free! | 18:22 |
| drazak | and I was like | 18:22 |
| drazak | OK! | 18:22 |
| genehacker | sweet | 18:23 |
| genehacker | so apparently you can get big flat panel tvs for really cheap | 18:24 |
| genehacker | broken ones | 18:24 |
| genehacker | that have busted caps | 18:24 |
| drazak | yeah | 18:24 |
| drazak | this just has a busted transistoer | 18:24 |
| genehacker | so kanzure, there this new virus out there | 18:25 |
| genehacker | you heard of that swine flu stuff? | 18:26 |
| genehacker | you don't think we could make an array biosensor for detecting | 18:26 |
| genehacker | it | 18:26 |
| kanzure- | drazak has been wanting to do just that | 18:27 |
| drazak | yeah | 18:27 |
| drazak | but nobody in diybio has their shit together | 18:28 |
| drazak | including myself | 18:28 |
| drazak | soooooooooooooo | 18:28 |
| kanzure- | need a simple way to make rough surfaces | 18:30 |
| genehacker | have they sequenced it yet? | 18:30 |
| kanzure- | variably rough surfaces | 18:30 |
| genehacker | why? | 18:30 |
| kanzure- | droplet actuation without pain. | 18:31 |
| genehacker | is this for an array biosensor? | 18:31 |
| kanzure- | it could be. | 18:31 |
| kanzure- | but in general. | 18:31 |
| genehacker | shoot surface with petawatt laser | 18:31 |
| kanzure- | er, I don't have a petawatt laser | 18:32 |
| genehacker | I know some people who do.... | 18:32 |
| genehacker | it will always be rough though | 18:32 |
| kanzure- | or | 18:33 |
| kanzure- | I need a way to photopattern Rain-X | 18:33 |
| kanzure- | I guess a stencil would work | 18:33 |
| kanzure- | alternating thin lines of rainx is enough to make droplets move over the surface | 18:33 |
| genehacker | hmmm.. | 18:34 |
| genehacker | what is rainx made of? | 18:34 |
| kanzure- | dunno. it's just a general hydrophobic material. | 18:36 |
| kanzure- | it's not easy to draw with- it's meant to coat cars- so it might not be a good idea | 18:36 |
| genehacker | you could piranha treat some stuff | 18:36 |
| kanzure- | don't think piranha is diy-friednly | 18:36 |
| kanzure- | *friendly | 18:36 |
| genehacker | what is piranha again? | 18:39 |
| kanzure- | some sort of nasty acid | 18:39 |
| genehacker | h2o2 and some acid? | 18:40 |
| genehacker | ok | 18:40 |
| genehacker | goodfd point | 18:40 |
| kanzure- | check this out | 18:40 |
| kanzure- | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Self-directed%20movements%20of%20droplets%20on%20radially%20patterned%20surfaces%20based%20on%20self-assembled%20monolayers.pdf | 18:40 |
| kanzure- | pg 3 | 18:40 |
| genehacker | the system is down | 18:44 |
| kanzure- | huh? | 18:44 |
| genehacker | I can't get in | 18:46 |
| genehacker | hmmm... you think we could make DNA based vaccines with a gene synth? | 18:47 |
| kanzure- | maybe. but I think an arrayer or something similar to an arrayer wuold make more sense at first. | 18:47 |
| genehacker | yeah | 18:47 |
| genehacker | we can use inkjet printers | 18:48 |
| genehacker | if we could figure how to clean the inkjets | 18:48 |
| genehacker | though the photolithographic method would work too | 18:48 |
| kanzure- | oh shit I feel so stupid-- | 18:48 |
| kanzure- | Nanodispenser for attoliter volume deposition using atomic force microscopy probes modified by focused-ion-beam milling | 18:48 |
| kanzure- | they make an array of attoliters of water droplets | 18:48 |
| kanzure- | by using surface tension of a hole in the tip of an AFM probe | 18:49 |
| genehacker | hmmmm | 18:49 |
| kanzure- | makes sense. | 18:49 |
| genehacker | could we do it fast and accurately? | 18:49 |
| kanzure- | accurately to within 1 meter, sure | 18:49 |
| genehacker | hahahahha | 18:49 |
| kanzure- | that's enough, right? | 18:49 |
| genehacker | I figured out how to answer any question in dynamics | 18:49 |
| genehacker | what does v =? | 18:50 |
| genehacker | v= 0 | 18:50 |
| genehacker | 0.000000000 billion parsecs per second | 18:50 |
| genehacker | yeah we should just go with the photolithographic method | 18:51 |
| kanzure- | of what though | 18:53 |
| kanzure- | thought you said you couldn't access that paper I linked to | 18:53 |
| genehacker | 403 forbidden | 18:53 |
| kanzure- | oh, okay | 18:54 |
| kanzure- | I was using scp instead of sftp, so scp probably wrote some crazy-stupid chmod permissions for some reason or another | 18:54 |
| kanzure- | but yeah, anyway, | 18:55 |
| kanzure- | what the paper is about is this giant radial design | 18:55 |
| kanzure- | where the lines are hydrophibic and between the lines it's hydrophilic or something | 18:55 |
| kanzure- | or maybe that's the other way around | 18:55 |
| kanzure- | and apparently droplets will go towards the center of that design | 18:56 |
| kanzure- | and it's some sort of self-assembled monolayer of some peculiar chemical that you'll never be able to access in a million years | 18:56 |
| kanzure- | oh | 18:58 |
| genehacker | SCP? | 18:58 |
| kanzure- | one way to do gradients might be to pattern a surface but from the side | 18:58 |
| genehacker | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ | 18:58 |
| kanzure- | for instance, if you've ever shined a laser so that the dot is 'stretched' and coming in at a surface from an angle close to 180 but definitely not 90 | 18:58 |
| kanzure- | scp is a method of file transfer | 18:58 |
| kanzure- | so is ftp. | 18:58 |
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| kanzure- | anyway, if you use a photolithographically-curable polymer, | 18:58 |
| kanzure- | you could pattern the surface roughness by *not* doing 90-degree lithography | 18:59 |
| genehacker | ok | 18:59 |
| kanzure- | perpendicular lithography I mean. | 18:59 |
| kanzure- | so, non-perpendicular lithography. how do I search for this? heh' | 18:59 |
| genehacker | perpendicular lithography, wat the ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuu- | 18:59 |
| kanzure- | what? | 18:59 |
| kanzure- | most lithography is perpendicular | 19:00 |
| kanzure- | where you have a light source shinning at a perpendicular angle at the surface you are patterning | 19:00 |
| genehacker | oops I meant non perpendicular | 19:04 |
| kanzure | does the capillary force work for droplets? | 19:33 |
| genehacker | maybe | 19:34 |
| genehacker | tell me what your goal is | 19:34 |
| kanzure | self-actuation of a microfluidic device. no external bullshit. | 19:34 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:35 |
| kanzure | in a DIY-friendly manner | 19:35 |
| genehacker | for sharpie or something else? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | i.e., nanotube forests for superhydrophobic gradients are not fair game | 19:35 |
| kanzure | sharpie, or something else, either way. | 19:35 |
| genehacker | ok then how about wax micropumps | 19:36 |
| genehacker | yes capillary forces do work | 19:37 |
| genehacker | you can make electroosmotic pumps | 19:38 |
| kanzure | I'm not seeing any papers that have done capillary force actuation of droplets | 19:38 |
| genehacker | what do you want to use the pump for | 19:38 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | I don't want an active pump | 19:39 |
| kanzure | I want a passive system.. | 19:39 |
| genehacker | a passive system? | 19:39 |
| genehacker | why? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | so that it doesn't have to be externally wired up to anything | 19:40 |
| kanzure | a system entirely made up of surface tension, hydrophobic/hydrophilic or surface roughness, capillary forces, etc. | 19:40 |
| genehacker | interesting idea | 19:41 |
| genehacker | it would only work once though | 19:42 |
| genehacker | but that's ok | 19:42 |
| kanzure | why would it only work once? | 19:42 |
| genehacker | what is the end result a one use biosensor? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | for instance, consider a hydrophobic surface or something | 19:42 |
| kanzure | that consists of a gradient due to micropillars of increasingly larger sizes | 19:42 |
| kanzure | this can be used as many times as you want .. | 19:42 |
| kanzure | the water will still act the same way when you dispense a droplet on it | 19:43 |
| genehacker | sounds like a perpetual motion machine | 19:43 |
| kanzure | nah, there's energy input | 19:43 |
| genehacker | or I don't exactly understnad it | 19:43 |
| kanzure | like the water. | 19:43 |
| genehacker | put it on a boat | 19:43 |
| genehacker | a very tiny boat | 19:44 |
| kanzure | water can be made to go uphill | 19:44 |
| kanzure | it can also be made to go in a certain pattern on a surface | 19:44 |
| kanzure | that's the idea here. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | right? | 19:44 |
| kanzure | how is that perpetual motion? | 19:44 |
| genehacker | if you continously remove the water then you are good | 19:44 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:45 |
| kanzure | but the trick is figuring out how to pattern those surfaces using a simple method | 19:45 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:45 |
| genehacker | what do you want to use it for? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | for anything? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | I mean, for multiply different projects | 19:46 |
| genehacker | name one | 19:46 |
| kanzure | DNA synthesis | 19:46 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:46 |
| genehacker | no idea how to pattern surfaces | 19:47 |
| kanzure | ideally a mechanical method would be useful here.a | 19:47 |
| kanzure | photolithography could do it using non-perpendicular lithography, but if you have a photolithography setup then what's the point- just pattern microstructures / micropillars | 19:48 |
| kanzure | mechanical pore creation or something would be enough. | 19:48 |
| genehacker | well don't you think acoustic actuation would be easier | 19:48 |
| kanzure | and then by modulating the density of pores over the surface, you make yer gradient | 19:48 |
| kanzure | no, because that would vibrate the entire device | 19:48 |
| genehacker | change the resonant frequency | 19:49 |
| kanzure | eh? | 19:50 |
| genehacker | use different frequencies to drive different regoins | 19:50 |
| genehacker | another good option would be to have one pump and a multiplexing system | 19:55 |
| genehacker | hey didn't you say there was a paper about a substance that changes it's surface tension with light or something? | 19:56 |
| genehacker | :<L | 19:56 |
| genehacker | ][poi-0 | 19:56 |
| genehacker | oops | 19:56 |
| genehacker | btw know of anyway I could make a small device that jams TVs? | 19:57 |
| genehacker | from a distance of very close? | 19:57 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: it would involve an infrared transmitter and a PIC or something | 20:09 |
| genehacker | no | 20:09 |
| genehacker | I want to build a device that induces a current in the wires connected to a TV, so that the TV displays static | 20:09 |
| kardan1 | heyho | 20:11 |
| kardan1 | kanzure, danke fuer deine links vorhin | 20:11 |
| kardan1 | ich hab das hier mit eingetragen https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware | 20:12 |
| kanzure | I do not think we speak the same language | 20:15 |
| genehacker | he says he registered for that open hardware website | 20:16 |
| genehacker | just use google translate | 20:16 |
| kanzure | http://diykeyboard.org/ | 20:16 |
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| kardan1 | haho, i wroe in german to yo | 20:21 |
| kardan1 | thanks for your links | 20:22 |
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| kardan1 | i addem them to our group site https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware | 20:22 |
| kanzure | I see. | 20:22 |
| kanzure | I don't know if you've read through the p2pfoundation.net site yet or openmanufacturing.net | 20:22 |
| kanzure | FUCK | 20:25 |
| kanzure | stallman was yesterday | 20:25 |
| genehacker | ah well | 20:27 |
| genehacker | I think I saw someone with an HMD there... | 20:29 |
| kanzure | how hard is it to acquire ferric chloride? | 20:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/cis/products/icsc/dtasht/_icsc14/icsc1499.htm | 20:35 |
| kanzure | doesn't sound too terrible | 20:35 |
| kanzure | hazard class 8 | 20:35 |
| genehacker | go to radio shack hard | 20:50 |
| kanzure | ? | 20:50 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:51 |
| kanzure | but isn't it a bad thing to go to radio shack? | 20:51 |
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| genehacker | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=search&term=h1n1 | 21:45 |
| kanzure- | what is h1n1? | 21:45 |
| genehacker | papers that are just days old | 21:45 |
| genehacker | swine flu | 21:45 |
| kanzure- | awesome | 21:45 |
| kanzure- | that's fast in terms of response | 21:45 |
| genehacker | hopefully it isn't the next big pandemic | 21:45 |
| genehacker | or anything like the 1918 spanish flu outbreak | 21:46 |
| genehacker | yeah | 21:46 |
| genehacker | AND A DAMN GOOD THING TOO | 21:46 |
| genehacker | there's some people infected in Texas | 21:48 |
| genehacker | so how can we detect it | 21:51 |
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| ybit | kanzure i'm not sure either, just found it interesting since i'm a blender fan boy | 22:34 |
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| genehacker | I for one use metasequoia sometimes | 22:39 |
| genehacker | for modelling | 22:39 |
| kanzure | blender has fanboys? | 22:42 |
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| genehacker | I guess | 22:59 |
| genehacker | every piece of software is bound to have fanboys | 22:59 |
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| kanzure | It is time for the cessation of dominantly 20hz and greater brainwaves. | 23:57 |
| kanzure | except maybe not | 23:57 |
| kanzure | what is this about? | 23:58 |
| kanzure | http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Myostatin_DBZ_project | 23:58 |
| kanzure | oh, mirrored content | 23:58 |
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