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| kanzure | http://www.scipy.org/Cookbook/CoupledSpringMassSystem | 00:23 |
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| kanzure | I like how something that is supposed to be a mass system doesn't have a variable explicitly defined as mass. | 00:24 |
| drazak | well | 00:25 |
| drazak | I think diybio needs a list of things they should figure out | 00:25 |
| kanzure | in what sense? | 00:25 |
| drazak | like | 00:25 |
| drazak | "how to make a home made sequencer" | 00:25 |
| drazak | "how to make a home make xyz" | 00:25 |
| kanzure | yeah? | 00:25 |
| drazak | "how not to get infected by the shit you're working with" | 00:26 |
| drazak | "how not to contaminate what you're working with" | 00:26 |
| kanzure | so, do you want to add these questions to the FAQ? | 00:26 |
| drazak | some other time | 00:26 |
| drazak | I have a lot of projects right now | 00:26 |
| kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ | 00:26 |
| drazak | I need a way to get this densitometer a bit sooner than it's coming to me | 00:26 |
| kanzure | it takes a minute to edit the page. | 00:26 |
| kanzure | perhaps less if your fingers aren't retardedly slow | 00:26 |
| * drazak has nfc how to edit wikis | 00:26 | |
| kanzure | neat. | 00:26 |
| drazak | yeah | 00:27 |
| kanzure | I can respect that. | 00:27 |
| drazak | I mean | 00:27 |
| drazak | I know how to get into the edit page | 00:27 |
| drazak | but I know nothing about wiki markup | 00:27 |
| drazak | and the person that could help me, usually, is having a bootycall | 00:27 |
| kanzure | drazak: Most people copy what they see. | 00:27 |
| drazak | yeah, I could do that | 00:28 |
| drazak | but there needs to be lists of procedures, with even stupid things | 00:28 |
| kanzure | protocol-online.org ? | 00:28 |
| drazak | you can't assume anyone took lab practices in their junior year of college | 00:28 |
| drazak | so it has to be like | 00:28 |
| drazak | 'change tips on pippeter, or change pippeters" etc | 00:28 |
| kanzure | As it is now, the issue is that nobody wants to spend forever retyping protocol-online.org. | 00:30 |
| drazak | yeah | 00:31 |
| drazak | I know | 00:31 |
| kanzure- | Overand: What is #outhouse? | 00:46 |
| fenn | ybit: what's this about metasequoia? | 00:54 |
| kanzure- | fenn: have you tried apt-get install units-filter ? | 00:56 |
| kanzure- | ~$ echo 1.5e3 nN.m.s^-1 | units-filter | 00:56 |
| kanzure- | 1.5e-6 2 1 -3 0 0 0 0 | 00:56 |
| kanzure- | which means : 1.5e-6 (SI unit) m^2.kg.s^-3 | 00:56 |
| fenn | no, but why would i want that? | 00:57 |
| kanzure- | still reading the man pages. | 00:57 |
| kanzure- | does equivalencies | 00:57 |
| fenn | so does units and pq | 00:57 |
| ybit | genehacker ^ | 00:57 |
| kanzure- | then why is this here. | 00:57 |
| kanzure- | multiple tools for the same job, but still | 00:57 |
| ybit | fenn: i don't know, haven't looked at it, genehacker mentioned it | 00:58 |
| genehacker | what? | 00:58 |
| ybit | genehacker: [00:53] <fenn> ybit: what's this about metasequoia? | 00:58 |
| genehacker | metasequia is an ok 3d modelling program | 00:58 |
| genehacker | that's about it | 00:58 |
| genehacker | no big deal really | 00:58 |
| fenn | i see.. nevermind then | 00:58 |
| fenn | i hate it when people refer to 'SI' as 'International System' | 00:59 |
| fenn | units-filter looks pretty weaksauce | 01:00 |
| kanzure- | I'm trying to figure out how to get octave+units or sympy+units or something without killing myself with rewriting libraries | 01:01 |
| fenn | i guarantee there's already something for octave | 01:01 |
| kanzure- | I think numpy + pq might do the trick | 01:01 |
| kanzure- | oh? I was reading the octave manual and saw nothing | 01:01 |
| fenn | no reason to bother with python if you're working with octave | 01:01 |
| kanzure- | where else should I look? | 01:01 |
| fenn | i dont know.. aren't there craploads of plugin/libraries for octave? | 01:02 |
| fenn | or can you use matlab add-ons? | 01:02 |
| * kanzure- checks the wiki | 01:02 | |
| kanzure- | http://wiki.octave.org/wiki.pl?Octave_Wiki | 01:02 |
| fenn | i remember maxima had a units plugin | 01:03 |
| kanzure- | there's one for physical constants | 01:03 |
| fenn | http://www.my-tool.com/mathematics/maximaphp/doc/maxima_71.html | 01:03 |
| kanzure- | thank you | 01:04 |
| fenn | from sympy.physics.units import m, s | 01:04 |
| kanzure- | er? really? | 01:05 |
| fenn | (x * m/s).integrate((x, 1*s, 5*s)) | 01:05 |
| kanzure- | google says yes. hrm. | 01:05 |
| fenn | did you even do a basic search yet? | 01:05 |
| kanzure- | yes, but I was focusing on scipy and numpy and octave | 01:05 |
| kanzure- | not maxima and sympy | 01:06 |
| genehacker | unit conversion? | 01:08 |
| kanzure- | hrm: from sympy.physics.units import units | 01:08 |
| genehacker | just use google | 01:08 |
| kanzure- | dir(units) | 01:08 |
| genehacker | hahhahahaha | 01:08 |
| genehacker | I got some spam | 01:08 |
| genehacker | just say ######### to ########### | 01:09 |
| genehacker | can even be cubic millimeters to weird american equivalent | 01:09 |
| fenn | good god, why does sympy want to install all that crap | 01:14 |
| genehacker | unit conversions? | 01:16 |
| genehacker | I have the code from solidworks that does that | 01:16 |
| fenn | it recommends ipython, which pulls in all sorts of crap.. so --no-install-recommends prevents that from being installed | 01:16 |
| kanzure- | what are you passing that arg to | 01:17 |
| fenn | apt-get install | 01:17 |
| fenn | from sympy.physics.units import units won't work | 01:17 |
| kanzure- | worked for me. | 01:18 |
| fenn | maybe you mean import sympy.physics.units as units | 01:18 |
| kanzure- | es | 01:18 |
| kanzure- | yes | 01:18 |
| kanzure- | "centiliters" appears in the dir(units) list | 01:19 |
| kanzure- | I think they are missing the point | 01:19 |
| fenn | yes, that's rather silly | 01:19 |
| kanzure- | micron and microns are two different units | 01:19 |
| kanzure- | hah | 01:19 |
| kanzure- | what's the point of this? | 01:19 |
| fenn | so they dont have to do string parsing | 01:19 |
| kanzure- | units.microns eq units.micron | 01:20 |
| kanzure- | er, == | 01:20 |
| fenn | True | 01:21 |
| fenn | python equivalent of 'eq' is 'is' | 01:22 |
| fenn | i think | 01:22 |
| kanzure- | hrm. doesn't seem to work with sympy. | 01:32 |
| kanzure- | er, sorry. I'm using quantites as pq now. | 01:32 |
| kanzure- | x = Symbol("x"). blah = x * pq.J <-- does not work. | 01:32 |
| kanzure- | and yet this does: t = sympy.var('t') \n q = 5 * t * pq.J | 02:18 |
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| splicer | centiliters is often used for food.. like a coke can is 33cl. | 04:14 |
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| kanzure | any idea on resolving class conflicts when making a new class that has both Symbol and pq.Quantity as parents? | 10:02 |
| kanzure | I get a vague error instead of a specific list of what conflicts. | 10:02 |
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| kanzure | Cooling of a Particle by Coupling to its Own Reflection | 12:06 |
| kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3059 | 12:06 |
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| kanzure | http://cnczone.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&id=26 tool change script. but I'm not sure what the interpreter is. | 12:33 |
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| kanzure- | http://pdf.textfiles.com/zines/GBPPR/ | 16:42 |
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| kanzure- | fenn: Would you be kind enough to poke les if he's been home in the last ~24 hours and if you also happen to know if he's checked his email? He hasn't subscribed to "atxfab". | 16:51 |
| genehacker | I have | 17:02 |
| genehacker | btw what do you need to lasercut for the mechmate? | 17:02 |
| genehacker | is it metal? | 17:03 |
| kanzure- | yes | 17:03 |
| kanzure- | Treadwell and I went over to the shop the other day, and les reminded me that the mechmate needs to have two things fixed before things can proceed with it. | 17:04 |
| kanzure- | (1) Motor mounts need to be fabricated. He claims to have the CAD files already. | 17:04 |
| kanzure- | (2) Welding error needs to be fixed. | 17:04 |
| kanzure- | once you get #1 done, you throw all of the wires together and the pcb boards and motors and controllers and install emc | 17:04 |
| kanzure- | or possibly kitware, but I'd prefer going with emc | 17:04 |
| kanzure- | so I asked him to send over the motor mount file thingies, so we can check out what the prices might be on ponoko | 17:05 |
| kanzure- | and if they suck, we could always check out what it would cost to make here at the university | 17:05 |
| kanzure- | genehacker: Ultimately once all of that starts working, I'd like to write the software to make it so that people can order stuff to be in the job queue for the CNC router. And I know it's a pipe dream, but a way to automatically load/unload work pieces and stack piles would be really, really sweet. For engraved pieces, it's easy, but for amorphous stuff.. | 17:07 |
| kanzure- | blah, that probably hit the cutoff point | 17:07 |
| kanzure- | summary: giant-ass linkage to move stuff off of the router | 17:07 |
| genehacker | well | 17:08 |
| genehacker | you saw that paper on mating trajectory calculation?\ | 17:08 |
| kanzure- | yes, but I don't want to have to build an arm | 17:08 |
| genehacker | I for one would like a bunch of automatic warehouse robots | 17:09 |
| kanzure- | if you have an arm then ytf do you only have a 2-axis CNC router | 17:09 |
| genehacker | to take stuff of the CNC and put it into boxes | 17:09 |
| kanzure- | but you might as well use it for multi-axis stuff. | 17:10 |
| kanzure- | anyway, my experience with the desktop CNC machines (like the Fireball) is that people say they catch on fire often | 17:10 |
| kanzure- | I hope this thing doesn't require human supervision at all times | 17:10 |
| genehacker | hahahahaha | 17:10 |
| genehacker | Fireball no doubt | 17:10 |
| genehacker | possibly do all the work in a co2 atmosphere | 17:11 |
| kanzure- | er, I don't think that's going to be likely | 17:11 |
| kanzure- | not even an inflatable co2 atmosphere | 17:11 |
| kanzure- | because that's still going to take up too much room | 17:11 |
| kanzure- | maybe not. nevermind. | 17:11 |
| genehacker | automatic fire extinguisher perhaps? | 17:11 |
| genehacker | I was thinking an open air tub | 17:12 |
| kanzure- | fire extinguisher robot :p | 17:12 |
| kanzure- | "DANGER! DANGER!" | 17:12 |
| genehacker | because CO2 is heavier than air | 17:12 |
| genehacker | they do exist | 17:12 |
| kanzure- | then why do we have firefighters | 17:12 |
| genehacker | some people put a webcam on their repraps | 17:12 |
| kanzure- | and if you say 'rescuers', then I'll just retort with calling them fire-rescuer-people. | 17:12 |
| genehacker | because the firefigthing robots usually only put out candles | 17:12 |
| kanzure- | the one thing that most people are capable of doing? Sounds redundant. | 17:13 |
| kanzure- | Anyway. | 17:13 |
| kanzure- | do you want to rent half a room with me? | 17:13 |
| kanzure- | at the shop. | 17:14 |
| genehacker | http://robotics.youngester.com/2008/08/fighting-fire-with-robots.html | 17:15 |
| genehacker | huh? | 17:15 |
| kanzure- | My latest apartment is about a mile away, so I'll be there more often. Will probably get Jonathan Cline to dump some diybio stuff there too. Treadwell claims he wants to bring his makerbot, lathe, and chemistry stuff. | 17:15 |
| kanzure- | well we're renting out specific storage room thingies | 17:15 |
| genehacker | how much and how far away? | 17:15 |
| genehacker | from the campus? | 17:15 |
| kanzure- | well it's at Congress and Ben White, so it's about 5 mi from campus | 17:15 |
| genehacker | no | 17:15 |
| kanzure- | heh | 17:15 |
| genehacker | I have an 8:00 am class | 17:15 |
| kanzure- | when? | 17:15 |
| genehacker | AT 8 am in the morning | 17:16 |
| kanzure- | summer? | 17:16 |
| genehacker | yeah | 17:16 |
| kanzure- | is that a good idea? | 17:16 |
| genehacker | Chemistry stuff | 17:16 |
| genehacker | only class available | 17:16 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 17:16 |
| genehacker | hey do you know if we have an air compressor? | 17:16 |
| kanzure- | but you still want to see it, right? | 17:16 |
| kanzure- | yes, there is an air compressor | 17:16 |
| genehacker | VERY YES | 17:17 |
| genehacker | anyway one simple fire fighting robot we could make could shoot baking soda | 17:17 |
| genehacker | Recently I've been thinking about making a robot that shoots water at smokers... | 17:17 |
| kanzure- | it would be nice to get a PE-engineer on the scene to kick up the "engineering" feeling of it all | 17:18 |
| genehacker | a burning cigarrete is easy to identify in infrared | 17:18 |
| genehacker | PE? | 17:18 |
| genehacker | petro? | 17:18 |
| kanzure- | it's the exam that engineers go through to get "certified" in engineering | 17:18 |
| kanzure- | and it's mostly what guys who run job shops have, or something | 17:19 |
| genehacker | oh | 17:19 |
| kanzure- | or it's the type of people that they hire | 17:19 |
| genehacker | ok | 17:19 |
| genehacker | I could take that exam | 17:19 |
| kanzure- | I haven't. I hear it's basically your mechanical engineering thermo, fluids, mechanics, statics, dynamics, etc. | 17:20 |
| genehacker | I wonder, how do all these japanese robot makers make the huge shiny plastic injection molded parts? | 17:20 |
| genehacker | ok | 17:20 |
| kanzure- | how big? | 17:20 |
| genehacker | http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/_robot_fire_fighter.jpg | 17:20 |
| genehacker | that big | 17:20 |
| genehacker | look at those joints | 17:20 |
| genehacker | they probably have harmonic drives | 17:21 |
| genehacker | cheap? NO | 17:21 |
| genehacker | we need cheaper robots | 17:21 |
| kanzure- | Actually, I would be happy with knowing how to make very expensive robots- rather than the cheap little pieces of crap that I used to make. | 17:23 |
| kanzure- | i.e., where do you go to figure out what to buy to make it expensive and to make it work too :p | 17:23 |
| genehacker | I don't know | 17:24 |
| genehacker | but really | 17:24 |
| genehacker | cheap robots are better | 17:24 |
| genehacker | a bunch of cheap robots are better than one big expensive one | 17:25 |
| genehacker | as the big expensive one could break | 17:25 |
| genehacker | if a couple cheap ones break you're ok | 17:25 |
| genehacker | I'm a big fan of Rodney Brooks robotics philosophy | 17:29 |
| genehacker | hmmmm... | 17:31 |
| genehacker | now how could we get a thermal camera | 17:31 |
| kanzure- | don't some consumer cameras have a thermal mode? | 17:31 |
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| kanzure- | consumer video cameras | 17:31 |
| kanzure- | er, camcorders. | 17:31 |
| genehacker | not a very good one | 17:33 |
| genehacker | sure you can see some ir like the IR from LEDs | 17:34 |
| genehacker | found a paper awhile back on making a low res thermal camera | 17:36 |
| genehacker | for not that much | 17:36 |
| kanzure- | can you cite it? | 17:36 |
| genehacker | hold on | 17:38 |
| genehacker | cite? | 17:38 |
| genehacker | I'll send it to ya | 17:38 |
| genehacker | http://amasci.com/amateur/elehob.html | 17:39 |
| genehacker | in here under projects | 17:39 |
| genehacker | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF--- | 17:40 |
| genehacker | it isn't there | 17:40 |
| kanzure- | try the internet archive | 17:40 |
| genehacker | http://users.bestweb.net/~hobbs/footprints/fpspie11.pdf | 17:40 |
| kanzure- | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://amasci.com/amateur/elehob.html | 17:40 |
| kanzure- | ok, got it | 17:41 |
| fenn | genehacker: those huge plastic pieces are probably vacuum formed, which anyone can do in a kitchen with a shopvac and an oven | 17:41 |
| genehacker | ah | 17:41 |
| genehacker | of course | 17:41 |
| fenn | i happen to think it's highly gay | 17:41 |
| genehacker | no | 17:42 |
| fenn | but whatever floats your boat | 17:42 |
| genehacker | that's not it | 17:42 |
| fenn | seriously, what's with the uniforms? | 17:42 |
| fenn | looks like char aznable | 17:42 |
| genehacker | it's japanese TV | 17:42 |
| kanzure- | $10 thermal imager thingy: http://web.archive.org/web/20070612054034/http://users.bestweb.net/~hobbs/footprints/fpspie11.pdf | 17:42 |
| genehacker | fenn that's exactly the point | 17:43 |
| genehacker | she's supposed to look like that | 17:44 |
| genehacker | I haven't seen any gundam animes so I wouldn't know | 17:44 |
| genehacker | SAVED | 17:44 |
| fenn | so where do you get ferroelectric PVDF film? | 17:45 |
| * kanzure- was just wondering the same | 17:45 | |
| genehacker | ebay | 17:45 |
| kanzure- | relying on ebay just doesn't sound like a smart plan.. | 17:45 |
| kanzure- | but I might be clueless, so whatever | 17:46 |
| genehacker | I PVDF eh? | 17:46 |
| genehacker | I think I know where to get that | 17:46 |
| fenn | i was hoping it was something like a PIR sensor diode, a pinhole, and some x/y scanning mechanism | 17:46 |
| kanzure- | PIR? | 17:46 |
| fenn | but that would be too easy i guess | 17:46 |
| fenn | passive infrared | 17:46 |
| kanzure- | oh. | 17:47 |
| kanzure- | well that would be useful | 17:47 |
| kanzure- | would that require crazy condenser optics? | 17:47 |
| kanzure- | er, sorry, magnification optics | 17:47 |
| fenn | if you want | 17:47 |
| fenn | i dont know how sensitive those things are | 17:47 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinylidene_fluoride | 17:47 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 17:47 |
| genehacker | maybe | 17:47 |
| kanzure- | fenn: poke les? | 17:47 |
| fenn | genehacker: it has to be charged, not just any pvdf film | 17:48 |
| fenn | kanzure-: he's asleep | 17:48 |
| kanzure- | okay. | 17:48 |
| fenn | don't spazz out because someone didnt sign up right away | 17:48 |
| kanzure- | well it's just kind of pointless for you and me to be talking to each other on a mailing list when we could be doing it in here :p | 17:49 |
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| kanzure | Google Scholar Citation Explorer | 19:31 |
| kanzure | http://compbio.cs.uic.edu/~mayank/software/slh/index.html | 19:31 |
| kanzure | "show all common citations for a subset of documents you select" | 19:34 |
| kanzure | er, I think he means to say "show papers that cite those papers". I think. | 19:34 |
| kanzure | The most cited paper ever- that I can find- is one that is cited 10,000 times re: pdb (the bioinformatics db) published in 2002. | 19:59 |
| kanzure | according to Google Scholar. | 19:59 |
| kanzure | now, it occurs to me that Google Scholar is indexing my PDF collection | 19:59 |
| kanzure | it also occurs to me that PDFs are mostly generated by latex templates | 20:00 |
| kanzure | In principle, I should be able to make myself the most cited individual-- according to Google Scholar-- ever. | 20:00 |
| kanzure | the question is, what should the paper be about? | 20:00 |
| splicer | you would write a paper and add a citation to it in all your pdf:s? | 20:05 |
| kanzure- | No, I'd just generate a few hundred thousand papers or something and reference it. | 20:19 |
| kanzure- | ooh | 20:19 |
| kanzure- | i'll make it self-referential | 20:19 |
| kanzure- | the paper will be about writing the paper | 20:19 |
| kanzure- | or doing the hack. | 20:20 |
| splicer | it's called bombing? | 20:28 |
| splicer | I've heard of companies who have been blacklisted by google for doing SEO that google didn't like. | 20:32 |
| kanzure- | "google bombing" is not commonly done with google scholar | 20:32 |
| splicer | For a company it can be a bit like falling off the face of the earth | 20:32 |
| splicer | ...until now ; ) | 20:32 |
| splicer | the swedish riaa and mpaa equivalents homepages here were down today. It seems the reason was that some people wanted to show that they could... | 20:37 |
| splicer | they said... riaa is going down at two... and it did. | 20:38 |
| drazak | what is google scholar anyway | 20:44 |
| kanzure | http://scholar.google.com/ | 20:44 |
| kanzure | search engine for scholarly bullshit | 20:44 |
| drazak | oh cool | 20:44 |
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| kanzure- | genehacker: I'm reading through some of my old notes. Here's something on piezoelectric self-replicating machines. http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-March/000423.html | 21:33 |
| genehacker | hmmm? | 21:33 |
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| kanzure- | woah, I totally forgot about this | 21:38 |
| kanzure- | http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000580.html | 21:38 |
| kanzure- | "Mammalian cells can produce tiny magnetic nuggets after the | 21:39 |
| kanzure- | introduction of a single gene from bacteria, scientists have found. | 21:39 |
| kanzure- | The gene MagA could become a valuable tool for tracking cells' | 21:39 |
| kanzure- | movement through the body via magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), says : | 21:39 |
| kanzure- | " | 21:39 |
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| kanzure- | argument as to why a singularity can't happen in a box in the middle of outer space: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000599.html | 21:40 |
| kanzure- | bacteria producing 'brain proteins' naturally: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000638.html | 21:43 |
| kanzure- | CNC machining in free fall http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-May/000473.html | 21:45 |
| kanzure- | ooh, here's the original diybio announcement: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-April/000425.html | 21:48 |
| kanzure- | oh. That's right. I was working on the 2D phenotype/SNP map for brain map stuff, informed by gene expression regulatory studies or something from humancortex.alleninstitute.org | 22:34 |
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| kanzure- | "I am program, programmer and that which is programmed." | 22:36 |
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| genehacker | WOAH | 23:11 |
| genehacker | MAGNETIC CELLS | 23:11 |
| kanzure- | :) | 23:23 |
| kanzure- | "things bryan has forgotten over the years" | 23:23 |
| genehacker | you didn't forget it | 23:25 |
| genehacker | it was just in your external memory | 23:25 |
| genehacker | wait CNC milling in freefall? | 23:26 |
| genehacker | read about milling on the moon | 23:26 |
| genehacker | it's harder than it looks | 23:26 |
| genehacker | you have to damp vibration | 23:27 |
| kanzure- | genehacker: search for "MRI reporter gene" | 23:28 |
| kanzure- | apparently there are others | 23:28 |
| genehacker | WOAH | 23:28 |
| kanzure- | you could couple it to gene regulation I think | 23:28 |
| kanzure- | and then you have a dynamic way of MRI'ing gene regulation in vivo | 23:28 |
| kanzure- | might be useful for teh brain | 23:29 |
| kanzure- | ooh | 23:29 |
| genehacker | http://www.waterjets.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=31 | 23:30 |
| genehacker | could I get more info about cnc milling in freefall? | 23:30 |
| kanzure- | did you read the link I gave above? | 23:31 |
| kanzure- | because that's all I have | 23:31 |
| genehacker | that's not much | 23:32 |
| kanzure- | odd. my server clock is wrong - it thinks it's back in 2008. | 23:32 |
| genehacker | I wonder if nasa has done any studies on it | 23:32 |
| genehacker | maybe it is FOR YOU | 23:32 |
| kanzure- | "can you manufacture a new turbojet engine in freefall in time to install it and stop an airplane from crashing into the ground" | 23:33 |
| kanzure- | hehe | 23:33 |
| fenn | reminds me of indiana jones' inflatable life-raft makeshift parachute | 23:34 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 23:34 |
| genehacker | where's that | 23:34 |
| genehacker | I don't think so | 23:34 |
| kanzure- | it's a new extreme sport | 23:34 |
| kanzure- | you're thrown from the highest possible point in the atmosphere- maybe extreme orbital diving- | 23:35 |
| kanzure- | and your job is to construct a mechanism to land safely using only the tools that you have available | 23:35 |
| genehacker | maybe a ramjet... | 23:35 |
| genehacker | I don't think so | 23:35 |
| fenn | i'll take a parachute as one of my tools | 23:35 |
| genehacker | you'd blackout | 23:35 |
| fenn | it's a 'survival backpack' | 23:35 |
| kanzure- | eh, but you won't get too many points for parachutes | 23:36 |
| genehacker | you know what would be cool? | 23:36 |
| genehacker | a blimp at the edge of space | 23:36 |
| fenn | on jupiter | 23:36 |
| genehacker | nah | 23:36 |
| genehacker | here on earth | 23:36 |
| kanzure- | IN M31! YEAH! | 23:36 |
| kanzure- | is there a biobrick for these MRI reporter genes yet? | 23:36 |
| genehacker | what are you gonna see on jupiter? clouds? | 23:36 |
| genehacker | I bet not | 23:37 |
| genehacker | well then, let's form an iGEM team | 23:37 |
| kanzure- | things to make into biobricks: (1) ComB gene system thingy, (2) MRI reporter genes, (3) voltage-mediated dyes, .. | 23:37 |
| kanzure- | why? it costs so much.. | 23:37 |
| genehacker | why does it costs so much? | 23:37 |
| fenn | "because" | 23:38 |
| kanzure- | because people who attend igem are made of money | 23:38 |
| genehacker | then let's make a tree that grows money | 23:38 |
| fenn | how about pot oranges | 23:38 |
| genehacker | how about a DNA synthesizer first | 23:39 |
| fenn | how about anything at all | 23:41 |
| kanzure- | heh. | 23:42 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:42 |
| * kanzure- has been reminding himself how much he hates XUL/CSS/HTML/JS work. | 23:42 | |
| genehacker | when summer comes and I don't have as much work | 23:42 |
| fenn | yay a new mailing list! | 23:46 |
| kanzure- | another one? | 23:46 |
| fenn | no | 23:46 |
| kanzure- | oh, your email | 23:46 |
| kanzure- | ok, if it needs to be drill pressed then let's just use the machine shop services here on campus | 23:46 |
| kanzure- | I'll even gift wrap them and hand deliver them.. | 23:47 |
| fenn | will you include the cookie you so rudely stole from me? | 23:47 |
| kanzure- | check the envelope. | 23:47 |
| genehacker | kanzure you can use the machine shop | 23:49 |
| genehacker | i can;t | 23:49 |
| kanzure- | you still haven't got training? | 23:49 |
| kanzure- | you were only banned for three weeks or something | 23:49 |
| genehacker | a month | 23:49 |
| fenn | banned from taking training classes? | 23:50 |
| genehacker | now all the classes are when I have class :( | 23:50 |
| kanzure- | fenn: yep. | 23:50 |
| fenn | how do you manage that? | 23:51 |
| kanzure- | he didn't wear jeans and he arrived late | 23:51 |
| genehacker | had a test | 23:52 |
| fenn | sounds a bit harsh | 23:52 |
| kanzure- | the machine shops tend to feel like that here | 23:52 |
| genehacker | they don't want to get sued | 23:52 |
| fenn | what are jeans supposed to do? | 23:53 |
| fenn | stop a big block of metal from crushing your foot? | 23:53 |
| fenn | really now | 23:53 |
| genehacker | ??? | 23:54 |
| kanzure- | hrm, I wonder if you could use MagA like you can GFP for tagging different specific proteins | 23:57 |
| fenn | no | 23:57 |
| kanzure- | what's the GFP tagging mechanism? | 23:58 |
| fenn | the protein is stuck to the target and it glows | 23:58 |
| kanzure- | whereas you can't stick a magnetic protein to something? | 23:58 |
| fenn | magA creates some kind of magnetic nugget | 23:58 |
| kanzure- | oh, it creates the nugget? | 23:58 |
| kanzure- | er, nevermind. | 23:58 |
| kanzure- | I meant to ask, "it catalyzes the creation of the nugget?" | 23:58 |
| kanzure- | which makes sense, since iron isn't incorporated into amino acids | 23:58 |
| fenn | and it's membrane located | 23:59 |
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