| --- Day changed Sun May 03 2009 | ||
| genehacker | so the limiting factor of insect size is oxygen right? | 00:15 |
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| kanzure | really? | 00:20 |
| * kanzure is watching "Evolution" | 00:20 | |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZgcWao0FsA&feature=related | 00:20 |
| genehacker | figure out what this has to do with portable oxygen concentrators and my evil plan. | 00:24 |
| genehacker | stratasys makes biocompatible plastic | 00:26 |
| genehacker | hmmmm | 00:26 |
| kanzure | genehacker: did you see the paper on water-curable polymers? | 00:36 |
| genehacker | no | 00:37 |
| genehacker | do link | 00:37 |
| kanzure | well foo. | 00:37 |
| kanzure | oops, sorry | 00:37 |
| kanzure | water-soluble polymer | 00:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/parviz/Water-soluble%20sacrificial%20layers%20for%20surface%20micromachining.pdf | 00:37 |
| genehacker | THAT'S EVEN MORE INTERESTING! | 00:39 |
| kanzure | other papers by the same author: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/parviz/?C=S;O=D | 00:41 |
| kanzure | this one was neat: Drosophila as an unconventional substrate for microfabrication | 00:42 |
| kanzure | Photo-patternable gelatin as protection layers in low-temperature surface micromachinings | 00:42 |
| genehacker | can you squirt it out of an extruder? | 00:43 |
| genehacker | will hot plastic stick to it? | 00:43 |
| kanzure | "Interestingly, gelatin can be used as a binder in light-sensitive photlithographic products. Adding dichromate into gelatin makes it a photo-patternable material like negative photo-resist." | 00:44 |
| kanzure | (UV light) | 00:44 |
| kanzure | *photolithographic products | 00:45 |
| genehacker | interesting | 00:46 |
| kanzure | as in, gummy bears | 00:46 |
| genehacker | let's find a way to grow it in tanks | 00:46 |
| genehacker | edible? bet it's not | 00:46 |
| kanzure | sadly, the gelatin material is not the same thing as the water-soluble polymer voodoo magic | 00:46 |
| genehacker | though I did see this weird chromium compound in this one drink? | 00:46 |
| genehacker | ;( | 00:47 |
| kanzure | hrm. dichromate shouldn't be too hard to acquire. | 00:47 |
| -!- any73189290 is now known as katsmeow | 00:50 | |
| genehacker | it isn't | 00:54 |
| -!- any63334730 is now known as katsmeow | 02:17 | |
| * any28973518 points kanzure to http://namcub.accela-labs.com/stories/ebooks/ | 03:28 | |
| kanzure- | any28973518: namcub is enki2 | 03:30 |
| kanzure- | he's in #namcub on this server | 03:30 |
| kanzure- | he uses /stories/ebooks/ for his xsublim system .. which I'm still not convinced is doing anything productive for him. | 03:31 |
| any28973518 | what's a xsublim? | 03:33 |
| any28973518 | i feel stupid going to thatroom just to ask that, but i will, i swear! | 03:34 |
| -!- any28973518 is now known as katsmeow | 03:35 | |
| kanzure- | xsublim is a subliminal messaging system for X11 | 03:35 |
| katsmeow | obviously, that's not the home automation line carrier thing? | 03:35 |
| kanzure- | no. :( | 03:36 |
| kanzure- | that's X10 | 03:36 |
| kanzure- | X11 is the linux window server thingy | 03:36 |
| katsmeow | o | 03:37 |
| katsmeow | no one there | 03:38 |
| kanzure- | elias`: where is namcub? | 03:38 |
| katsmeow | well, ENKI-][ is online with ZaLGOS in #discord on another net, but that's as close as i can get, because s/he's afk and the bot seems to be off | 03:57 |
| kanzure- | hrm. okay. I'll hunt him down in a bit if you want. | 03:57 |
| kanzure- | he should be in #wrongplanet | 03:58 |
| katsmeow | an aspie, eh? | 03:58 |
| kanzure- | you're surrounded by them | 03:58 |
| katsmeow | oh no! | 03:58 |
| * kanzure- flails arms as if a ninja | 03:58 | |
| * katsmeow looks scared | 03:59 | |
| katsmeow | i was in #wp yesterday, i had to let off some steam | 04:00 |
| genehacker | zalgo? | 04:14 |
| katsmeow | what's that? | 04:15 |
| genehacker | oh good you're not 'one of them' | 04:15 |
| * katsmeow looks confused | 04:15 | |
| genehacker | zalgo is ̔̕̚̕̚҉ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇ ̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍ ̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̕̚͡ ͡҉҉ ̵̡̢̛̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠͇̊̋... | 04:16 |
| katsmeow | i dunno what a "zalgo" is, so ia m not one of what? | 04:16 |
| genehacker | we don't know what zalgo is | 04:17 |
| genehacker | H҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘Ȅ̐̑̒̚̕� � IS C̒̓̔̿̿̿̕̚̚̕̚̕̚̕� �̕̚̕̚OMI҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘NG though | 04:17 |
| katsmeow | i can't read that | 04:17 |
| genehacker | it's an internet meme that parodies cthulu | 04:17 |
| katsmeow | umm, another word i dunno | 04:17 |
| katsmeow | so what is it that i'm not? | 04:18 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu | 04:18 |
| ybit | have you all tried twill? | 04:19 |
| ybit | i like it | 04:19 |
| ybit | sadly though, it hasn't been recognizing forms correctly, so i'm resorting to wget to login and retrieve files from sciencedirect | 04:20 |
| kanzure- | would it be more interesting to do "recursive self amplification" than "recursive self improvement" ? | 04:25 |
| kanzure- | (considering the definitional problems re: improvement) | 04:25 |
| genehacker | they're both the same | 04:32 |
| ybit | what exactly is namcub? | 04:39 |
| * katsmeow looks clueless | 04:39 | |
| -!- any90246345 is now known as katsmeow | 04:50 | |
| * any14384917 cusses | 04:57 | |
| -!- any14384917 is now known as katsmeow | 04:57 | |
| * katsmeow cannot stay conencted when there's a storm in the state :-/ | 04:58 | |
| kanzure- | why's that? | 04:58 |
| katsmeow | instead if fedding lightning into the user's homes, the telco now disconencts everyone | 05:01 |
| ybit | ah, namcub, i see | 05:02 |
| katsmeow | you see him/her ? | 05:03 |
| genehacker | ???? | 05:28 |
| genehacker | why? | 05:28 |
| genehacker | microwave connection? | 05:28 |
| -!- any77431650 is now known as katsmeow | 05:38 | |
| -!- any82348144 is now known as katsmeow | 05:47 | |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 06:23 |
| genehacker | surely kurzweil gives out scholarships... | 06:23 |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 06:34 | |
| kanzure | I wouldn't pursue kurzweil much, genehacker | 06:45 |
| kanzure | it's a dead end | 06:45 |
| genehacker | if he gives money I will take | 06:45 |
| genehacker | wouldn't take his weird idealism though | 06:45 |
| kanzure | how much money do you need | 06:46 |
| genehacker | s-cool money | 07:05 |
| -!- any92016957 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 08:23 | |
| fenn | wow this is cool, i can pick up six wifi points with this new antenna | 11:06 |
| fenn | oops | 12:48 |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 16:34 | |
| katsmeow-afk | South Korean scientists claim that they have created the world's first cloned, glowing dogs at Seoul National University. | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | The Korean experts said Tuesday that they engineered four beagles that glow red | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:26:12 GMT | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | The four dogs, all named "Ruppy" - a combination of the words "ruby" and "puppy" - look like typical beagles by daylight. | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | they hope they can use the same techniques to make non-glowing dogs too | 18:16 |
| fenn | crime against nature, those poor ruppies, etc etc | 18:21 |
| fenn | i can just see the jokes about glowing dog-burgers already | 18:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | Drinking water containing considerable amounts of an element known as lithium can help reduce the rate of suicide, a Japanese study finds. | 18:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | i bet the more paranoid, who think the gov is putting things in the tap water, kill themselves in record numbers | 18:22 |
| kanzure | Frank Harold replied to my email. yay for old scientists having enough time to answer email. | 18:23 |
| fenn | so, you can buy GE aquarium fish, how is that possible? what regulatory framework is there for selling them as pets? | 18:23 |
| kanzure | Seoul National University is a scary place. | 18:23 |
| kanzure | they have Suh. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/suh/ | 18:24 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: lithium helps with bipolar disorder | 18:24 |
| fenn | ...not paranoia | 18:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's why i said the paranoid would be killing themselves in greater numbers | 18:24 |
| kanzure | what's the point of paranoia if you're just going to kill yourself | 18:25 |
| kanzure | isn't the point to avoid thingies that would kill you? | 18:25 |
| fenn | perzackely | 18:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | no, it's to avoid pain and loss of control | 18:25 |
| kanzure | maybe I've been doing the paranoia-thing all wrong | 18:25 |
| fenn | being dead is pretty much 'loss of control' in my book | 18:25 |
| kanzure | I am interested in this book and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. | 18:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's like : German-based company SolarWorld AG has invested $500 million on a site in Hillsboro, Oregon <<== but i am not allowed to put up the 10 pv panels i bought in 2001 | 18:26 |
| fenn | you'll have to contact my agent | 18:26 |
| kanzure | so I emailed Frank for a good reason- I don't know if any of you read his article or the notes I was taking on it | 18:27 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/to-shape-a-cell_notes.txt | 18:27 |
| kanzure | was asking him about good high-throughput morphogenesis experiments | 18:27 |
| kanzure | instead of traveling the world looking for diverse phenotypes of microorganisms, I was wondering if I could just use an evolution-acceleration-chip-thingy to put the selective pressure on diverse phenotypes, or something | 18:28 |
| kanzure | shape isn't exactly specifically genetically controlled, so just adding a DNA synthesizer on a chip isn't going to make wonderful things happen | 18:28 |
| fenn | it's hard to select for diversity | 18:28 |
| * kanzure nods | 18:28 | |
| kanzure | but billions of different droplets surely come in handy | 18:29 |
| kanzure | I would consider tagging the cell walls with some marker, and then coming up with a way to make sure a cell isn't "cheating the system" | 18:29 |
| fenn | why interested in cell shape? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | and then do some optics, record the shape of the cells in a droplet, and do something based on that | 18:29 |
| kanzure | not sure | 18:29 |
| kanzure | something to stare at | 18:29 |
| fenn | most cells are either 'blob' or some kind of repetetive self assembly result | 18:30 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/bacterial_shape.png | 18:31 |
| fenn | wow that's e. coli? | 18:31 |
| fenn | penicillin interferes with cell wall construction | 18:32 |
| kanzure | genes that might be interesting: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/morphogenesis_mutations.png | 18:32 |
| fenn | penicillin interferes with peptidoglycan crosslinking, so presumably that mutant doesn't do any crosslinking | 18:34 |
| kanzure | another worthy diagram: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/selective_value_of_bacterial_shape.png | 18:35 |
| fenn | caulobacter is a neat one to study | 18:36 |
| kanzure | on a more meta note, it is interesting to know that since shape is not explicitly defined in the genes, | 18:37 |
| kanzure | all of the taxonomists have been applying a selective pressure for different specimens in different categories | 18:38 |
| kanzure | on a more meta note, it is interesting to know that since shape is not explicitly defined in the genes, | 18:38 |
| kanzure | all of the taxonomists have been applying a selective pressure for different specimens in different categories | 18:38 |
| kanzure | which has, no doubt, influenced selective pressures involved in taking specimens between labs, or something | 18:39 |
| fenn_ | actually most bacteria look like little balls or little sticks | 18:39 |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 18:39 | |
| kanzure | making yourself look like something more interesting surely has an advantage | 18:39 |
| fenn | not for a microbe | 18:40 |
| kanzure | in a lab? | 18:40 |
| fenn | the number of microbes in labs is tiny compared to the rest of the world | 18:40 |
| kanzure | yeah I know | 18:40 |
| kanzure | but I was talking about selective pressures in labs | 18:40 |
| kanzure | because of taxonomists | 18:40 |
| fenn | last estimate i heard was that only one in a million wild type strains could actually be cultured | 18:40 |
| fenn | there's a bacterium (single cell) that you can actually see with naked eye, it lives in the intestine of tuna? salmon? | 18:41 |
| fenn | nobody's been able to culture it, regardless how much fish guts they throw at it :P | 18:42 |
| fenn | kanzure: did you know your mediawiki install is borked? | 18:43 |
| kanzure | yes. :( | 18:43 |
| fenn | ok | 18:43 |
| kanzure | nobody has yelled at me loudly enough to fix it | 18:43 |
| kanzure | why are you guys using it anyway | 18:43 |
| * fenn shrugs | 18:43 | |
| kanzure | does it have anything useful? | 18:43 |
| fenn | i wanted to back-up the skdb and sand/silicon replicator texts before it blew up | 18:44 |
| kanzure | ok. I'll fix. | 18:44 |
| kanzure | Unable to lock ibdata1, error: 11. Check that you do not already have another mysqld process using the same InnoDB data or log files. | 18:45 |
| kanzure | blah, i don't. | 18:45 |
| kanzure | ah, 'mysqlcheck' is my friend now. | 18:49 |
| -!- any36617078 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 19:04 | |
| kanzure | ok, wiki fixed | 19:08 |
| fenn_ | i dont suppose i ever posted the .dia file for that | 19:14 |
| fenn_ | for the terrible skdb diagram | 19:14 |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 19:14 | |
| kanzure | somewhere on fennetic.net | 19:14 |
| fenn | all i have are early revisions | 19:15 |
| fenn | oh well | 19:15 |
| kanzure | wait, isn't the .dia file in the wiki page? I installed the mediawiki-graphviz extension.. | 19:16 |
| fenn | no | 19:17 |
| fenn | dia isn't graphviz anyway | 19:17 |
| kanzure | dunno whether it's good or bad that campbell and I both came up with similar data structures re: skdb-related-stuff. the "control point" class that I was writing, and his "functional parameter" class. | 19:21 |
| kanzure | hm. | 19:26 |
| * any59249990 got nice tornado pics | 19:56 | |
| -!- any59249990 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 19:58 | |
| fenn | how do i automatedly chop out a section of a multi line file? | 20:01 |
| fenn | sed seems to only want to work with one line at a time | 20:01 |
| kanzure | your question is confusing | 20:01 |
| kanzure | line 1 line 2 line 3 line 4 and you want to cut out specifically lines 2 through 4? | 20:02 |
| fenn | i'm trying to download wiki html and extract the form contents on the edit page | 20:02 |
| kanzure | ew | 20:02 |
| fenn | yeah | 20:02 |
| kanzure | wtf is wrong with you | 20:02 |
| fenn | i hate sql? | 20:02 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:ViewXML | 20:02 |
| fenn | um, so? | 20:02 |
| kanzure | or use pywikipediabot | 20:03 |
| kanzure | http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/ | 20:03 |
| fenn | dammit i just want one page | 20:03 |
| fenn | well, all revisions of one page | 20:03 |
| * fenn kicks the frozen corpse of sed | 20:04 | |
| kanzure | you could use perl's HTML::Parser tool | 20:04 |
| fenn | it has nothing to do with html | 20:04 |
| kanzure | "form contents on the edit page" | 20:04 |
| fenn | it's multiline regex | 20:04 |
| kanzure | isn't there a way to do $^ or something? | 20:04 |
| fenn | grep -Eo 'textarea\(.*\)textarea' ought to work | 20:04 |
| kanzure | something like $^$ should get you a blank line | 20:04 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:05 |
| -!- any09683000 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:05 | |
| kanzure | isn't that an issue of greedy versus non-greedy or something | 20:05 |
| kanzure | I'm not being of much help. | 20:05 |
| * kanzure hangs up his regex-foo nunchucks. | 20:06 | |
| fenn | hm | 20:07 |
| fenn | RHEL come with pcregrep installed, which does Perl-compatible regex matching. And by adding a -M switch you get multiline matching! | 20:07 |
| fenn | damn swiss army knife salesmen | 20:08 |
| fenn | silly me to expect pcregrep to behave like grep | 20:10 |
| -!- any97824977 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:11 | |
| kanzure | oh | 20:19 |
| kanzure | maybe the bond graph people were cheating by making anything "through" to be "division" and anything "across" to be multiplied | 20:20 |
| kanzure | and thus how they assembled their symbolic equations? | 20:20 |
| fenn | like R = V/I | 20:20 |
| fenn | ? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:22 |
| -!- any76888520 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:24 | |
| -!- any20062887 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:30 | |
| fenn | now even python is letting me down | 20:32 |
| fenn | maybe its time to give up and go to sleep | 20:33 |
| fenn | http://pastebin.ca/1411517 | 20:34 |
| fenn | for some reason it finds the first 'textarea' but not the second | 20:34 |
| kanzure- | is it escape quoted | 20:34 |
| fenn | eh? | 20:35 |
| kanzure- | the second one is </textarea>, which I guess doesn't matter | 20:35 |
| -!- any67958940 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:37 | |
| kanzure- | fenn: try printing out each time 'textarea' is found and see if it finds it | 20:37 |
| kanzure- | *finds both | 20:37 |
| fenn | er. | 20:38 |
| fenn | i dont know how to do that | 20:38 |
| kanzure- | while line != 'eof' .. line = f.next() print line .. blah blah blah | 20:38 |
| fenn | while True: if f.next().find('textarea'): print line ? | 20:38 |
| kanzure- | ok, close enough | 20:38 |
| fenn | oh. hm | 20:39 |
| fenn | maybe it's all on one line | 20:39 |
| kanzure- | how could that be? | 20:40 |
| kanzure- | it displays as multiple lines in the browser | 20:40 |
| kanzure- | without <br> elements | 20:40 |
| fenn | ok it's not all on one line | 20:40 |
| fenn | above code snippet just dumps the entire file | 20:40 |
| fenn | oh duh | 20:41 |
| kanzure- | what is line | 20:41 |
| fenn | find is annoying and returns 1 or -1 instead of True/None like you expect | 20:41 |
| kanzure- | (in that one-liner) | 20:41 |
| fenn | i couldnt figure out how to do it in one line so meh | 20:41 |
| fenn | line = f.next() | 20:41 |
| fenn | line.find('textarea') doesn't show the second one | 20:42 |
| fenn | if line.find('textarea') >= 1: | 20:43 |
| kanzure- | ok, try the basic myfile = open(blah), while myfile: line = myfile.readline(); if line.find. .. | 20:45 |
| fenn | all right i figured it out | 20:45 |
| kanzure- | what was it | 20:45 |
| fenn | find is just stupid | 20:45 |
| fenn | find returns the index of the substring blah blah blah | 20:45 |
| fenn | so it's not always 1 | 20:45 |
| fenn | i started out using contains() but i guess that doesn't work for strings | 20:46 |
| -!- any12058110 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 20:46 | |
| kanzure- | I think that's arrays/lists. | 20:46 |
| genehacker | so how terraformable is ganymeade | 20:47 |
| kanzure- | ganymeade? | 20:47 |
| kanzure- | is that your grandma? | 20:47 |
| genehacker | ganymeade | 20:47 |
| genehacker | moon of jupiter | 20:47 |
| kanzure- | hm. | 20:47 |
| genehacker | currentyl has a think oxygen atmosphere | 20:47 |
| genehacker | haven't you watched cowboy bebop? | 20:47 |
| kanzure- | if I tell you that I've only seen three episodes, will you kill me? :( | 20:48 |
| genehacker | no | 20:48 |
| genehacker | that's fine | 20:49 |
| genehacker | I haven't seen any of gundam yet so... | 20:49 |
| genehacker | in bebop ganymeade's been terraformed and is covered in ocean | 20:50 |
| genehacker | doubt that could be done as ganymeade is pretty far from the sun | 20:52 |
| kanzure- | meh. giant mirror reflection network thingies. | 20:53 |
| genehacker | ??? | 20:53 |
| genehacker | of course | 20:53 |
| genehacker | covered in water ice, oxygen atmosphere | 20:54 |
| kanzure- | so, genehacker, here's what I've been thinking of for ADL | 20:54 |
| genehacker | OXYGEN ATMOSPHERE? | 20:54 |
| genehacker | bad! | 20:54 |
| genehacker | for life | 20:54 |
| kanzure- | you know how you have to do various calculations to figure out whether or not some machine or scenario is feasible | 20:54 |
| genehacker | ok | 20:54 |
| kanzure- | for instance, the other day I was doing some calculations for waterjet cutters in microfluidic devices | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | and campbell was doing something like pneumatically powered bicycles | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | anyway, | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | it would be nice to write some software that would make it easier to do those sorts of calculations | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | instead of saying "I NEED A GEAR!", you'd say something like | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | "I NEED A HOOKE's LAW!" | 20:55 |
| kanzure- | er, I mean, "I NEED A SPRING" (not a GEAR) | 20:55 |
| genehacker | pneumatic bicycles? got a link on that | 20:55 |
| fenn | cowboy bebop isnt the most realistic show ever | 20:56 |
| genehacker | indeed fenn | 20:56 |
| kanzure- | http://epicycle.org/2006/06/air-power.html | 20:56 |
| genehacker | no I have a link on pneumatocycles | 20:56 |
| fenn | there's a difference between a back of the napkin feasibility calc and a detailed simulation | 20:57 |
| kanzure- | pneumatocycles, haha | 20:57 |
| kanzure- | fenn, I agree | 20:57 |
| kanzure- | but I still think the same substrate for feasibility calcs can be dumped into finite-element method solvers | 20:58 |
| genehacker | pn3umatic transmission bikes | 20:58 |
| fenn | units works pretty well for napkin calcs | 20:58 |
| genehacker | http://www.act.sys.okayama-u.ac.jp/kouseigaku/research/goto_bike/english.htm | 21:00 |
| genehacker | system error | 21:02 |
| fenn | these people all seem to be ignoring the fact that pneumatics are an inherently inefficient method of transmitting power | 21:11 |
| genehacker | 85% | 21:11 |
| genehacker | so yeah | 21:12 |
| genehacker | gears are near 100 | 21:12 |
| genehacker | I think | 21:12 |
| kanzure- | genehacker: do you know of a book or index of simple machines and the simple equations that describe them? especially for some obscure machines. | 21:18 |
| fenn | chain is 98.5% | 21:18 |
| genehacker | yes | 21:18 |
| genehacker | what was that called a gain | 21:18 |
| genehacker | X mechanical movements | 21:18 |
| genehacker | LOW POWER | 21:19 |
| genehacker | it's in the reprap blog | 21:19 |
| fenn | 1800 mechanical movements? | 21:20 |
| genehacker | yes | 21:20 |
| kanzure- | was that from cmu.edu ? | 21:21 |
| genehacker | some reprap guy freed it I think | 21:22 |
| genehacker | Ugh | 21:22 |
| fenn | i dont see any laws of motion, just a picture and short description | 21:22 |
| genehacker | can barely move | 21:22 |
| genehacker | well I'm out | 21:29 |
| kanzure- | hi cis-action | 22:29 |
| kanzure- | oh | 22:38 |
| kanzure- | I guess it should be possible to consider cell development/growth with magnetic particles or something | 22:39 |
| kanzure- | to stretch the cell in a certain direction by manipulating the magnetic field or rotating the cell. | 22:39 |
| kanzure- | we need a mole in whitesides' group | 22:53 |
| ybit | seems the sleeptracker has been improved | 23:46 |
| kanzure- | the what? | 23:46 |
| ybit | http://www.sleeptracker.com/features.html | 23:46 |
| ybit | i had the standard about 4 years ago and sent it back | 23:47 |
| ybit | might try out a new one | 23:47 |
| ybit | wakes you up when you aren't in deep sleep and now records sleep data | 23:47 |
| ybit | my biggest complaint was that it didn't have a snooze button and also the alarm wasn't loud enough. they have fixed the alarm sound by making it louder and adding the vibrating option, not sure about the snoozing | 23:49 |
| * ybit is sending an enquiry to find out atm | 23:49 | |
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