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| ybit | guess not | 00:01 |
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| ybit | http://tinmith.net btw | 00:01 |
| fenn | laptop strapped to your back is not a wearable computer | 00:19 |
| ybit | in the sciencemadness.org "Homebrew Chem Lab - lessons learned" forum post, the author doesn't mention law enforcement, i wonder what he/she learned regarding that | 00:35 |
| ybit | talked to a former police officer today, he said that it would be a good idea to check with the county health department | 00:35 |
| ybit | before forming the genetic eng lab | 00:36 |
| ybit | bio/chem/fab lab | 00:36 |
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| genehacker | kanzure so are you considering the DNA synth again or something else? | 00:46 |
| genehacker | science madness has a biochemistry section | 00:48 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i guess you were referring to DennÅ Coil | 01:29 |
| ybit | yw, it's definitely entertaining | 01:29 |
| fenn | the main character sucks | 01:31 |
| fenn | like most anime you can probably get away with watching the first three episodes and the last three episodes | 01:36 |
| genehacker | what Kanzure made a coil reference? | 01:41 |
| genehacker | ummm I wouldn't say that fenn | 01:41 |
| genehacker | things get pretty weird | 01:41 |
| genehacker | guess so | 01:42 |
| fenn | anyone know of any sort of programming language like the 'encode' magic diagrams? | 01:51 |
| fenn | labview just doesnt really cut it | 01:52 |
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| genehacker | be interesting to program c with symbols | 01:54 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAKON | 01:56 |
| genehacker | not this | 01:56 |
| genehacker | strange exampe | 01:57 |
| genehacker | nope | 01:59 |
| fenn | all examples i've seen so far are just crappy boxes and arrows | 02:01 |
| fenn | hard to even find a picture of it anywhere | 02:07 |
| fenn | http://www.gatto999.it/images/stories/Dennou%20Coil%20e%20Rozen%20Maiden/encode.jpg | 02:08 |
| genehacker | that looks hard to draw | 02:10 |
| fenn | this isnt too hard is it? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZDp7eCVGLMk/R02U7UKYQfI/AAAAAAAAbQ4/9rAsep8GVR0/s400/vlcsnap-00030.jpg | 02:13 |
| fenn | hmm | 02:15 |
| fenn | not sure what this is all about http://blog.pachube.com/2009/06/pachube-augmented-reality-demo-with.html | 02:15 |
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| genehacker | boxes would certainly be better | 02:20 |
| genehacker | unless you're not drawing them | 02:20 |
| fenn | why would boxes be better? | 02:21 |
| genehacker | easier to draw | 02:21 |
| fenn | it's hard to do anything resembling object oriented code with boxes and arrows | 02:21 |
| fenn | easy to draw is a minor problem | 02:21 |
| genehacker | draw up some symbols for programming elements | 02:22 |
| genehacker | I'm not very good at programming | 02:22 |
| fenn | writing code is hard; actually typing it out the program is a small part of it | 02:22 |
| genehacker | first off how would you represent if? | 02:22 |
| fenn | same argument for drawing | 02:22 |
| genehacker | if A==1 do this | 02:23 |
| fenn | i expect it would be closely tied to the implementation of the AR space | 02:23 |
| genehacker | ok | 02:24 |
| genehacker | so if object is in radius of sensor do this | 02:24 |
| genehacker | maybe it will be like second life programming | 02:25 |
| genehacker | ugh... | 02:25 |
| fenn | i expect it would be more like lisp | 02:25 |
| genehacker | I don't know lisp | 02:25 |
| fenn | because you're minimizing the syntax | 02:25 |
| genehacker | but in second life objects have a sort of radar and can look around at things | 02:25 |
| fenn | SL has a terrible scripting interface | 02:26 |
| fenn | have you ever looked at Alice? | 02:26 |
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| genehacker | which is quite annoying because you can't just get some object's position and have other objects react to it | 02:26 |
| fenn | or scratch? | 02:26 |
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| genehacker | you have to look for it | 02:26 |
| genehacker | no | 02:26 |
| genehacker | no | 02:26 |
| genehacker | well I have to read about fail | 02:26 |
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| fenn | enjoy your fail | 02:26 |
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| fenn | she doesnt look very happy http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/2/23/15/not-where-trains-should-go-20454-1235421680-15.jpg | 02:49 |
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| fenn | man this shit just gets weirder and weirder | 02:59 |
| fenn | warning do not watch this if you are easily annoyed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCCx7zANsGE | 02:59 |
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| Utopiah | guess ARDeskTop videos http://www.youtube.com/user/WahWahHawah look more "useful" than the "Maid doll" equivalent | 05:35 |
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| fenn | i'm not too big on the whole fiducial marker concept anyway | 05:42 |
| Utopiah | one good thing is... it can't be cheaper, you can even use a black marker and do it, just need a webcam and soft but... the bad thing is... what's the added value? | 05:45 |
| fenn | well it's "poor man's VR" | 05:46 |
| fenn | i guess my take is that the absolute position isnt terribly important, it's the relative position that matters | 05:46 |
| fenn | so accelerometers ought to be good enough | 05:47 |
| fenn | i guess i'll find out once i start playing around with accelerometers | 05:47 |
| fenn | i find it strange that almost all the "AR" stuff is actually "mediated reality" | 05:52 |
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| Utopiah | ok, Ive found 1 good usage http://kougaku-navi.net/ARToolKit.html#Tachikoma ;) | 05:57 |
| fenn | huh. if you look one page or so down you'll see the "temple" chalk sign i linked to earlier | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | sata is reducing my pay | 06:49 |
| genehacker | you're getting paid? | 06:49 |
| kanzure | $50/week for database programming, website creation and management, running around the lab yelling at people to give me data, etc. bull-fucking-shit. he can't expect that from me for $50/wk. | 06:49 |
| genehacker | I haven't heard anything from steven or shadid btw | 06:49 |
| genehacker | have they done any tests on my filter? | 06:50 |
| kanzure | not sure | 06:50 |
| Smari | $50 a week... that's like... 3 hours worth of work, tops. | 06:52 |
| kanzure | yep | 06:53 |
| kanzure | so how am I going to afford this apartment, again? | 06:54 |
| kanzure | I signed a contract.. | 06:54 |
| genehacker | hopefully your LA trip will help with that | 06:54 |
| genehacker | otherwise, want to start a business? | 06:55 |
| kanzure | um, why? | 06:55 |
| Smari | hasn't that trip happened yet? What's taking so long? | 06:55 |
| kanzure | Smari: it's next weekend | 06:55 |
| Smari | I'm fairly sure I just spent a weekend away. | 06:55 |
| Smari | ah, k. | 06:55 |
| genehacker | meeting with the alcor guy right? | 06:56 |
| kanzure | no | 06:56 |
| genehacker | who then? | 06:56 |
| kanzure | new meetup group: http://www.meetup.com/Austin-Biotechies/ | 06:58 |
| genehacker | sweet! | 06:58 |
| genehacker | when's the meeting | 06:58 |
| kanzure | no plans | 06:58 |
| genehacker | btw if we ever get this DNA synth thing working we might try to do some DNA nanotech stuff | 06:59 |
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| kanzure | yay for stacy | 07:16 |
| kanzure | "Taq is super easy to purify, you don't need a column." | 07:16 |
| genehacker_ | really? | 07:17 |
| genehacker_ | also on silica gel | 07:17 |
| genehacker_ | it's super easy to make | 07:17 |
| genehacker_ | now about nucleotidases.... | 07:17 |
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| genehacker_ | oh I get it | 07:20 |
| genehacker_ | put the proteins to make taq in non-thermally tolerant bacteria and heat | 07:21 |
| kanzure | um, no | 07:21 |
| genehacker_ | lyse them first? | 07:21 |
| genehacker_ | oops | 07:21 |
| genehacker_ | plasmid to make taq | 07:21 |
| kanzure | stacy suggested using centrifugation | 07:21 |
| kanzure | I'm debating whether or not I like centrifugation. | 07:22 |
| genehacker_ | that what it says in Diybio | 07:22 |
| genehacker_ | centrifuging is good | 07:22 |
| genehacker_ | got a food processor? | 07:22 |
| genehacker_ | if yes, then you can convert it to a centrifuge | 07:23 |
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| kanzure | what is a "food processor"? | 07:23 |
| kanzure | is this a stomach? | 07:23 |
| genehacker_ | no | 07:23 |
| genehacker_ | blender | 07:23 |
| kanzure | 'Single-Step Purification of Recombinant Thermus aquaticus DNA Polymerase Using DNA-Aptamer Immobilized Novel Affinity Magnetic Beads' | 07:23 |
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| genehacker_ | AWESOME | 07:24 |
| genehacker_ | now find if you can do that for other things | 07:24 |
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| kanzure | aptamer affinity chromatography was common I thought? | 07:48 |
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| kanzure | haha: http://www.freewebs.com/democratictranshumanists/ | 08:15 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/protein-purification/notes.txt | 08:17 |
| kanzure | see 'Logical combinations of chromatographic steps' | 08:19 |
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| kanzure | http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=12511#pid157544 some notes on chromatography that I have posted | 08:24 |
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| kanzure | not sure what this is yet: http://www.hathitrust.org/ | 08:32 |
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| kanzure | missed "dehumidification" in the separations process list | 11:35 |
| kanzure | FractalGee - A Twisted State of Mind | 11:37 |
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| kanzure | http://www.pythonocc.org/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_pythonOCC_on_Linux | 13:08 |
| kanzure | Debs are available for squeeze and above (lenny uses v6.2.7, which is too old). You can install them by entering: | 13:11 |
| kanzure | from http://www.pythonocc.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_OpenCASCADE_on_Linux | 13:11 |
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| kanzure | compatibility_equations.cs only covers the following cases: motor & shaft, motor & battery, shaft & gear, shaft & pulley, bearing & shaft | 14:59 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/2007-05-04_manasi_tamhankar.zip | 15:05 |
| kanzure | or possibly: | 15:05 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2007-05-04_manasi_tamhankar.zip | 15:05 |
| kanzure | yeah the second one | 15:05 |
| fenn | note to whoever, dont try reading the manasi code unless you're looking for laughs/hopelessness | 15:22 |
| fenn | kanzure: here's some inspiration i guess | 15:23 |
| fenn | oops i forgot the link | 15:25 |
| fenn | http://emergent.unpy.net/01210216375 | 15:25 |
| fenn | this is cool too http://emergent.unpy.net/01218769184 | 15:25 |
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| fenn | if you want to warp your brain inside out http://fennetic.net/irc/encoder-panelized.ps | 15:37 |
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| fenn | sorry ybit i'm not going to scan 'computerized manufacturing process planning systems' | 15:54 |
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| ybit | http://bayimg.com/CAcCBAACI | 18:12 |
| ybit | skdb.freefab.org works fine | 18:13 |
| ybit | fenn: that's fine, i've got it coming in through an interlibrary loan and i'll scan it | 18:13 |
| ybit | manufacturing reference guide is coming in too | 18:14 |
| * ybit is slightly frustrated | 18:14 | |
| ybit | i was told by someone i kind of look to as a father figure not to talk geek to girls unless i want to be single for the rest of my life | 18:15 |
| ybit | there are plenty of hot geeky girls, and i see no reason to 'dumb it down' as he says | 18:15 |
| kanzure | are there any hot geeky girls in here? | 18:16 |
| ybit | if i happen to have a partner later in life, then, they will probably be somewhat intelligent (subjectively speaking) and interested in similar subjects | 18:16 |
| ybit | there are plenty of hot girls at the science building at una | 18:17 |
| ybit | that have similar interests, anywho | 18:17 |
| ybit | there's katsmeow-afk, think that's the only girl in this channel | 18:17 |
| ybit | never met her | 18:17 |
| kanzure | you guys are lame. can''t even be hot geeky girls. | 18:18 |
| ybit | no offense kanzure, if i meet a girl, i hope she doesn't look like you, with the beard and whatnot :P | 18:18 |
| kanzure | sounds like a good plan to me | 18:19 |
| ybit | so, i had some insightful thinking last night while i couldn't sleep.. | 18:19 |
| ybit | 'insightful' | 18:19 |
| ybit | probably about as insightful as when someone has a revelation while high | 18:20 |
| kanzure | not sure I want to hear about your fantasies | 18:20 |
| ybit | btw | 18:20 |
| kanzure | hehe | 18:20 |
| ybit | kanzure: you can deal with fenn's robot pr0n but you don't want to listen to my random thoughts at night | 18:21 |
| kanzure | ? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | robot pr0n? | 18:21 |
| ybit | ..can't blame you, robot pr0n is hot | 18:21 |
| kanzure | hell yeah | 18:21 |
| ybit | 'how they make it' | 18:21 |
| ybit | on the discovery or science channel, i forget | 18:21 |
| kanzure | anyway, what's on your mind? | 18:21 |
| ybit | right, so i contacted the county health department today and they said that there shouldn't be a problem with a biochem lab @ my house, they were just concerned if i happen to be releasing toxins from the house, how much. then i called the city's building department and they had never heard of such a thing either, and said there weren't any regulations in place. so i'm probably going to be dealing with national gov. | 18:23 |
| kanzure | so how is that insightful? | 18:23 |
| ybit | just don't want the cops being suspicious | 18:23 |
| ybit | that's not from last night | 18:23 |
| ybit | just thought you and others might have some thoughts | 18:23 |
| ybit | feedback | 18:23 |
| kanzure | one thing that I would recommend is a big fucking manual/book of all of your experiments so that if hazmat teams find you dead holding a vile of some shit, they might know what to do | 18:24 |
| kanzure | (I'm serious) | 18:24 |
| ybit | so what's on my mind, i'm looking into creating my own veneers, curious what frequency the body operates at, and.. | 18:25 |
| ybit | argh, doorbell | 18:25 |
| ybit | bah, probably kids selling stuff for school, "i'm poor! get off my lawn before i call the cops!" | 18:25 |
| ybit | anywho, as a transhuman, will i be thinking in binary..? | 18:26 |
| kanzure | try trhowing empty beer bottles | 18:26 |
| kanzure | um? what are you currently thinking in? | 18:27 |
| ybit | maybe the equivalent of an open source movement for singularity is sharing conscious thought? | 18:27 |
| ybit | ..with others, or just ideas?.. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | sounds a lot like the old cyborg communes | 18:28 |
| ybit | "how much are we willing to presever, being a small part of of many parts is human after all (sharing body with bacteria, e.g.) | 18:28 |
| ybit | thinking of sending an email to some transhumanist email group asking people to name 10 things they would do if they suddenly have an infinite lifespain | 18:28 |
| kanzure | you won't be getting any interesting responses | 18:29 |
| kanzure | there was once a story about a man who lived forever and decided to meet everyone face-to-face | 18:29 |
| kanzure | oh, that was douglas adams | 18:29 |
| kanzure | so anyway, there you go | 18:29 |
| ybit | "what are the limits of the universe, i think that's the singularity. the point at which we are unsure of what will happen." | 18:29 |
| * kanzure makes food | 18:29 | |
| kanzure | ybit: have you read neverness yet? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | i strongly suspect that transhumanism isn't going to be about single lifespans that last forever into the future. while that would be nice, I'm not going to rely on it- and if it does happen, then that's good | 18:31 |
| kanzure | there are some thoughts somewhere on the internet about how to do cloning and how to make sure that the clone gorws up to be mostly you | 18:32 |
| kanzure | in the sense that any clone could be "you" | 18:32 |
| ybit | "my hypothesis on love, it's a genetic survival instinct, all three parts of it. attachment/long term caring is just in case we ourselves don't survive, we would like to see ideal genes, those that are similar to our own live on and thrive. lust, simply to replicate and survive. romance or to romanticize something is to make us feel good about something so that we think there's something worth carrying on for, that there is progress to made or is being | 18:32 |
| kanzure | and to some extent I am interested in that sort of tweaking to get various parameters just right for these interesting brains | 18:32 |
| ybit | kanzure: no i haven't read neverness yet | 18:32 |
| kanzure | well you're a slacker :p | 18:32 |
| ybit | i'll respond to your thoughts when i get through typing the rest of my text from last night.. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | gah, text | 18:32 |
| ybit | simple thought: "money is a mechanism for distributing resources, metacurrency attempts to make the process more efficient." | 18:33 |
| kanzure | the kernel doesn't need money though | 18:33 |
| ybit | "critical thinking is a method for discovering or understanding how something works. 'how does it work', but what are the underlying molecular processes taking place during this critical thinking?" | 18:34 |
| ybit | 'these genetic mechanism are often hidden under many layers and are often never realized by the person." | 18:34 |
| kanzure | it's more about sensemaking. the molecular processes aren't discovering platonic truths.. they are just making things make sense. | 18:34 |
| ybit | "our genes are constantly storing and retrieving info. this never ending genetic cycle of mystery and discovery. notice two categories always, i'm thinking in binary and not even noticing typically (unless high). what are the mathematics involved, maybe our brains are fundamentally limited by the math which are bodies use. what molecular processes does calculations? how efficient would would another base be? | 18:36 |
| ybit | " | 18:37 |
| ybit | 'the body is a complex system by which recursive binary operations are observable. what mathematical system are we not observing?" | 18:37 |
| ybit | and that's it | 18:37 |
| ybit | my vocab was limited last night it seemed | 18:38 |
| ybit | s/seemed/seems | 18:38 |
| ybit | a big fucking manual/book of all of your experiments, aka a log book? | 18:38 |
| ybit | 23:22 < kanzure> um? what are you currently thinking in? | 18:39 |
| ybit | good question | 18:39 |
| ybit | 23:28 < kanzure> the kernel doesn't need money though | 18:40 |
| ybit | point taken | 18:40 |
| ybit | was thinking about flows and decided to write something on money | 18:41 |
| ybit | of course i don't plan on just having one copy of myself for the eternity | 18:41 |
| ybit | as soon as i realize how to make clones of myself, i'm doing it | 18:41 |
| ybit | the body i'm using right now could be just a bot of a larger system of me | 18:41 |
| ybit | i could 1k+ of these bots | 18:42 |
| ybit | disposable and not highly important if the body is rendered unfunctional if there is a shared concious and plenty of backups | 18:42 |
| kanzure | I don't know what conciousness is. | 18:43 |
| kanzure | so I don't think that will work | 18:43 |
| ybit | conciousness to me = memories and sensory data | 18:43 |
| kanzure | that doesn't help if you're interested in building | 18:44 |
| ybit | andy maybe some sense of continuity | 18:44 |
| ybit | whatever that is supposed to mean | 18:46 |
| ybit | for obvious reasons, it's difficult to predict the unknown limits of our universe. i won't say impossibly because i've been conditioned to not think that way | 18:52 |
| ybit | s/impossibly/impossible | 18:52 |
| ybit | and i think i was trying to convince myself that maybe we were only see a two dimensions of the entire mathematical universe | 18:53 |
| ybit | if only our bodies wouldn't caculate in binary, we might be able to see it | 18:53 |
| ybit | baloney maybe, but it's where this mind of mine was while attempting to sleep | 18:54 |
| splicer | i was listening to daniel dennett one night when I was about to sleep. He has thought a lot about the "What are we" questions... if we have free will is one of them. | 18:59 |
| splicer | The thing he said that has had me thinking the last 2 weeks was about memes.. | 19:00 |
| splicer | when dawkins invented/discovered them he defined them as ideas under the laws of natural selection... | 19:01 |
| kanzure | everything is under the law of natural selection. there is no thing in this universe that is not natural. but yes, that's what memes were about originally. | 19:02 |
| splicer | what dennett did was point out that for humans they and genes both decide our actions... ideas have survival mechanisms too and sometimes they survive by killing the carrier. | 19:03 |
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| splicer | so far ok... and the he unified genes and memes.. pointing out that genes are units of information regadless of format... and that they therefore are the same thing as a meme. | 19:04 |
| splicer | ...so it's all memes... and the laws of natural selection. | 19:05 |
| ybit | s/memes/information | 19:09 |
| ybit | and it seems our genes are quite aware of survival | 19:09 |
| splicer | not really.. we love to die for ideas | 19:10 |
| ybit | "[luf-team] Alternative Methods for Reaching Outer Space (Was Re: The International Open Spa" | 19:10 |
| ybit | when was it ever international open spa :P | 19:10 |
| * ybit originally created the topic not based on any previous post | 19:11 | |
| ybit | s/post/thread | 19:11 |
| kanzure | meredith totally dropped the gaunlet | 19:15 |
| kanzure | *gauntlet | 19:15 |
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| splicer | is she known to piss in cheerios? | 19:40 |
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| xp_prg | kanzure you here? | 19:47 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:48 |
| kanzure | splicer: what is pissing in cheerios? | 19:48 |
| xp_prg | kanzure there is trouble in paradise with the chief people of the diybio community and yourself | 19:49 |
| xp_prg | are you aware of this? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | is there? | 19:49 |
| bkero | ?? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | why? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | no | 19:49 |
| bkero | Was this about that manifesto that Kanzure wrote? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | woah, don't tell me it was the manifesto | 19:49 |
| bkero | Hehe | 19:49 |
| bkero | Merely speculation | 19:49 |
| xp_prg | because they feel there is too much noise on the mailing list | 19:49 |
| kanzure | can I blame bkero if it's the manifesto? | 19:50 |
| kanzure | noise? | 19:50 |
| xp_prg | that is why they are finding alternative ways to post and stuff | 19:50 |
| kanzure | like what? | 19:50 |
| xp_prg | they would prefer a way to screen out those who are actually doing real work, not just talking about real work if you will | 19:50 |
| kanzure | yeah that's what I'm building | 19:51 |
| kanzure | that's what skdb is about | 19:51 |
| xp_prg | I don't know if they are willing to wait that long | 19:51 |
| xp_prg | anyway, just thought you should know | 19:51 |
| kanzure | to wait? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | why do they have to wait? | 19:51 |
| xp_prg | cuz it is not completed irght? | 19:52 |
| kanzure | there are aspects that are working | 19:52 |
| kanzure | but yeah there is still work to be done | 19:52 |
| kanzure | they shouldn't expect me to just be able to press a single key and finish everything ever | 19:52 |
| kanzure | that's way too much to ask of me | 19:52 |
| xp_prg | they feel your questions are not helpful/useful and feel very discouraged to post | 19:53 |
| kanzure | who is "they"? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | do they even understand me? | 19:54 |
| xp_prg | I will get in trouble if I say but they are at the top | 19:54 |
| kanzure | the top of what? | 19:54 |
| splicer | kanzure: Take the hint | 19:55 |
| xp_prg | the top of the diybio community | 19:55 |
| kanzure | there is no top | 19:55 |
| xp_prg | there are those that have igem experience etc.., those are defininetely better than me | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | its diy all the way down | 19:56 |
| kanzure | igem experience isn't diy | 19:56 |
| xp_prg | do you want any advice from me how to fix things? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | no, I want you to knock some sense into mac | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | igem = let amateurs play with million dollar wet labs | 19:56 |
| kanzure | they don't see mto understand how to run an open source project | 19:57 |
| kanzure | richard stallman would be most displeased | 19:57 |
| QuantumG | not that there's anything wrong with that | 19:57 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I am on your side if you will | 19:57 |
| xp_prg | just telling you of the issues regardless | 19:57 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: they claim to be an open source project | 19:57 |
| kanzure | but it's totally bullshit because they don't even know about open source tools | 19:57 |
| kanzure | so they think I'm sorme sort of noise generator on the list | 19:58 |
| xp_prg | I don't get along with them either :) | 19:58 |
| kanzure | even though it's the whole fucking point to use open source software | 19:58 |
| QuantumG | what? igem? | 19:58 |
| xp_prg | kanzure have you thought about just creating your own list? | 19:58 |
| splicer | Kanzure: If I understand this it's about you having opinios about absolutely everything always... | 19:58 |
| QuantumG | they're all about open parts.. where open == we promise not to sue certain people | 19:58 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: why would I do that | 19:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: no, diybio | 19:58 |
| QuantumG | oh | 19:59 |
| kanzure | splicer: no, the problem is that they don't understand me | 19:59 |
| xp_prg | well people feel suffocated | 19:59 |
| xp_prg | afraid to post | 19:59 |
| kanzure | why is that? | 19:59 |
| xp_prg | you rip people a new one quite readily | 19:59 |
| kanzure | no I don't | 19:59 |
| kanzure | only when t | 19:59 |
| xp_prg | you overwhelm them with your opinions and conjecture | 19:59 |
| splicer | kanzure: You don't understand them... they someone wants to say something but as soon as he/she says it you are there. | 19:59 |
| kanzure | so what? | 20:00 |
| xp_prg | you don't let me simply have a topic and make points | 20:00 |
| kanzure | ithat shouldn't even matter | 20:00 |
| kanzure | they should just get to work | 20:00 |
| xp_prg | let them I meant | 20:00 |
| kanzure | if they want to write opinions, then they should write opinions | 20:00 |
| xp_prg | anyway, do what you will, just thought you should know | 20:00 |
| kanzure | I think there's too much top-down restriction going on there | 20:00 |
| kanzure | maybe they need to go work on other open source projects first | 20:01 |
| xp_prg | on the whole I appreciate your contribution, I would faint and die if you would be more open to other posts and not overwhelm them when they post | 20:01 |
| kanzure | I am open to their posts | 20:01 |
| xp_prg | you shut people down man | 20:01 |
| kanzure | it's not like I threaten to kill them | 20:02 |
| splicer | but you turn it into the kanzure show | 20:02 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:02 |
| xp_prg | hahahah | 20:02 |
| xp_prg | kanzure people feel overwhelmed man | 20:03 |
| xp_prg | just letting you know | 20:03 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with "shut people down man" | 20:03 |
| xp_prg | you can ignore it but it is a community, I would listen if I were you | 20:03 |
| kanzure | why don't they listen to me | 20:03 |
| xp_prg | cuz there is too much to hear | 20:03 |
| xp_prg | their ears are only so big | 20:03 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 20:03 |
| splicer | Ask people | 20:04 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I like you please don't get me wrong, but people are now making alternative means to discuss diybio because of you | 20:04 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with discussing diybio now? | 20:05 |
| splicer | If everyone wrote like you what you did would be fine | 20:06 |
| xp_prg | kanzure if you were on the list would it be easy to figure out who is actually doing real projects and who is not? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | yeah | 20:06 |
| kanzure | you just send me the projects and I package them up for you | 20:06 |
| kanzure | what's so hard about that | 20:06 |
| xp_prg | well people don't think so | 20:06 |
| kanzure | don't think what? | 20:07 |
| kanzure | that the packaging idea dworks? | 20:07 |
| kanzure | there's tons of evidence | 20:07 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I don't know what else to tell you did the best I could to warn you, hope you can think about it more | 20:07 |
| kanzure | warn me? | 20:07 |
| kanzure | warn me of what? | 20:07 |
| kanzure | is there some conspiracy against open source diybio? | 20:08 |
| xp_prg | no you | 20:08 |
| kanzure | why would they do that if I'm one of the only guys working on open source diybio | 20:08 |
| kanzure | I haven't really seen any indication that they know about these tools | 20:08 |
| kanzure | or that they use them or anything like that | 20:08 |
| xp_prg | cuz nobody feels like they have any breathing room around you | 20:08 |
| xp_prg | they feel suffocated by your opinions etc... | 20:09 |
| xp_prg | anyway, it would be great if you made a concious effort to let others speak freely and without ambushing them | 20:09 |
| kanzure | if you could show me how I ambush people | 20:10 |
| kanzure | that would be great | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | the latest response to mac | 20:10 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | how many total questions did you ask? | 20:10 |
| kanzure | what does it matter? | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | *sigh* | 20:10 |
| kanzure | let's say n=50 | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | that about 47 too many | 20:11 |
| kanzure | um, so I should send 20 emails of 2 or 3 questions each? | 20:11 |
| kanzure | that's totally retarded | 20:11 |
| kanzure | if he has to take a break in replying to it, he should respond three questions at a time | 20:11 |
| kanzure | it's not like that's illegal | 20:11 |
| splicer | kanzure: You really don't understand the "Don't suffocate" comment? | 20:11 |
| xp_prg | no you should only ask 2 -3 questions total | 20:12 |
| kanzure | um, why? | 20:12 |
| kanzure | did the Great Mac not have enough time to answer my lowly questions? | 20:12 |
| xp_prg | because it makes people feel suffocated man | 20:12 |
| xp_prg | ya he doesn't have enough time | 20:12 |
| kanzure | questions make them feel suffocated? | 20:12 |
| kanzure | wtf | 20:12 |
| kanzure | not enough time? | 20:12 |
| kanzure | then why is he running a group | 20:12 |
| xp_prg | out of the goodness of his heart? | 20:12 |
| xp_prg | he has talked of quitting if you will | 20:13 |
| kanzure | but he's doing more damage than good | 20:13 |
| kanzure | oh really? | 20:13 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 20:13 |
| kanzure | or I mean, when did that come up | 20:13 |
| xp_prg | I can't discuss more than that | 20:13 |
| xp_prg | probably said too much already | 20:13 |
| kanzure | this is all so secretive | 20:14 |
| xp_prg | kanzure encourage people to collaborate, to express their opinions | 20:14 |
| kanzure | what needs to be secretive about this? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | yueah, there are tools that they can use to collaborate | 20:14 |
| xp_prg | cuz it is a community and they are not jiving to your ways | 20:14 |
| kanzure | my ways? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | these aren't my ways.. | 20:14 |
| kanzure | these are the general open source tools and methods.. that's what I keepp telling them. | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | kanzure study how linus tivolds runs an opensource project | 20:15 |
| kanzure | with git | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | there is natural leadership to a community | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | your "not" the leader | 20:15 |
| kanzure | yeah because he commits code | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | ask yourself who is | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | its a meritocracy | 20:15 |
| kanzure | um, why? | 20:15 |
| xp_prg | those who do things, not just talk about doing things | 20:15 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with a meritocracy? | 20:16 |
| xp_prg | meritocracy means those who do more than others get more say | 20:16 |
| kanzure | but that's a relative measure | 20:16 |
| splicer | kanzure: I don't think you're gonna understand this today | 20:16 |
| xp_prg | it is measured by the community | 20:16 |
| kanzure | splicer: I think they are wrong. | 20:16 |
| kanzure | splicer: Mac has been out to get me for a while now. | 20:17 |
| kanzure | ever since I fucked up that public speech | 20:17 |
| kanzure | he just hasn't forgiven me | 20:17 |
| splicer | I know... but there is something in front of you that you clearly don't undestand | 20:17 |
| xp_prg | what did you do?! | 20:17 |
| kanzure | I made a really terrible presentation at biobarcamp | 20:17 |
| kanzure | wasn't prepared for it | 20:17 |
| kanzure | he was in the audience | 20:17 |
| xp_prg | what happened exactly? | 20:17 |
| kanzure | he and others just walked out | 20:17 |
| kanzure | they just decided to leave.. | 20:17 |
| kanzure | which is acceptable, since I wasn't prepared | 20:17 |
| kanzure | but that's no reason to hold a grudge against me | 20:17 |
| splicer | kanzure: that's not it | 20:18 |
| kanzure | then I give up | 20:18 |
| kanzure | I've explained things to them so many times by now | 20:18 |
| xp_prg | kanzure lets say you want to post to a list and someone asks you 100 questions every time | 20:18 |
| kanzure | I'll answer them. | 20:18 |
| xp_prg | does that make you want to post more or less? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | that's what lists are for .. for discussing. | 20:18 |
| xp_prg | for most people the answer is less | 20:19 |
| kanzure | maybe they should pick and choose which questions to reply to | 20:19 |
| splicer | maybe they shouldn't have to | 20:19 |
| kanzure | maybe they don't want to be involved | 20:19 |
| xp_prg | kanzure they do want to be invovled, they feel attacked by you | 20:20 |
| splicer | maybe they do but don't want to spend time humoring you | 20:20 |
| kanzure | why would they be humoring me | 20:20 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: they shouldn't though. I try to be helpful with my links to tutorials, howtos, explanations, etc. | 20:20 |
| kanzure | it should be very approachable. | 20:20 |
| xp_prg | kanzure you are helpful kanzure but your overly helpful if you will, people can't seem to help anyone else | 20:21 |
| kanzure | people can't seem to help anyone else? | 20:21 |
| xp_prg | imagine we are digging a whole, we all have shovels but your in the middle shoveling so fast that nobody gets a chance to use their shovel | 20:22 |
| xp_prg | hole = whole | 20:22 |
| kanzure | there are ways to dig a hole with multiple people involved | 20:22 |
| kanzure | that's what open source collaboration tools allow for | 20:22 |
| kanzure | that's why they exist | 20:22 |
| kanzure | they fix this problem | 20:22 |
| xp_prg | kanzure study opensource projects study what leadership is | 20:23 |
| splicer | the kanzure show is not a collaboration | 20:23 |
| xp_prg | if a vote was made today would you be the leader? | 20:23 |
| xp_prg | if so why not? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: I have trouble believing you know about programming. | 20:23 |
| splicer | it's you telling people what to do | 20:23 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: why would I be the leader? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | I shouldn't be the leader | 20:23 |
| xp_prg | kanzure, you don't let the leader lead | 20:23 |
| kanzure | splicer: do you know about version control? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: the leader doesn't lead anyway | 20:24 |
| xp_prg | yes they do | 20:24 |
| splicer | something | 20:24 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: how? what have they done | 20:24 |
| kanzure | splicer: what? | 20:24 |
| ybit | splicer: who are you exactly? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | hah | 20:24 |
| xp_prg | created biobricks and stuff | 20:24 |
| splicer | i know something about version control | 20:24 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: that's not diy | 20:24 |
| kanzure | splicer: okay, neat. | 20:24 |
| ybit | tyler durden | 20:24 |
| kanzure | ybit: ? | 20:24 |
| ybit | just trying to figure out who splicer is, that's all | 20:25 |
| splicer | ybit: not sure I understand the question | 20:25 |
| ybit | splicer: didn't know your real name until a whois | 20:26 |
| splicer | yes, it's there | 20:26 |
| ybit | i don't feel overwhelmed at all, sorry others feel that way | 20:26 |
| splicer | but do you understand the others? | 20:26 |
| ybit | the diybio activity level is so low in general, why complain about the little activity that's already there, it isn't preventing others from getting involved. others can make any excuse they want | 20:27 |
| xp_prg | ybit that is why it is low | 20:27 |
| kanzure | it is low because it is low? | 20:28 |
| xp_prg | it wouldn't be so low if people didn't feel overwhelmed by kanzure all the time | 20:28 |
| ybit | xp_prg: ? | 20:28 |
| xp_prg | what is so hard to understand how people don't want to post to have someone ask them 50 questions every time? | 20:28 |
| ybit | splicer: do i understand the others? i mostly get the feeling others just want to be alerted where there is a completed project, and simply don't want to discuss all topics | 20:29 |
| kanzure | that's what the announce list is for | 20:29 |
| kanzure | but they don't use it for some reason | 20:29 |
| ybit | 'others' being those whom are silent and don't contribute much | 20:29 |
| ybit | if any | 20:29 |
| splicer | the same thing that's happening here happens on the board often.... | 20:30 |
| ybit | explain | 20:30 |
| splicer | there are 2 people trying to explain something "People feel you suffocate the discussion"... but there is no way to explain it. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | because it's bullshit | 20:31 |
| splicer | no it's not | 20:31 |
| kanzure | then why is there no way to explain it? | 20:31 |
| ybit | just use filters and stop complaining please | 20:31 |
| splicer | it's like when i was trying to explain to you for 30 min that you had written about brainuploading.. remember... you were, but there was no way to explin it to you. | 20:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: heh | 20:32 |
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| ybit | http://www.uazu.net/sbagen/ | 20:35 |
| * ybit plans on testing this in a little bit | 20:36 | |
| ybit | SBaGen -- Binaural Beat Brain Wave Experimenter's Lab | 20:36 |
| ybit | kanzure: you had linked to it from some writing | 20:36 |
| ybit | way back when | 20:36 |
| kanzure | I haven't been impressed with the binaural beat stuff. tell me how it goes I guess. | 20:36 |
| ybit | hi katy | 20:37 |
| katy | hello ybit | 20:37 |
| ybit | katy: how's things? why are you? what do you want? :P | 20:37 |
| ybit | s/why/who | 20:37 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk using another nick? | 20:38 |
| katy | long day. just watching. | 20:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/22980/ | 20:42 |
| kanzure | bicycle pump to extract dna? hm. | 20:42 |
| kanzure | "extracts genetic material from blood and other bodily fluids by pumping fluid through a polymer-lined straw designed to trap DNA" | 20:42 |
| splicer | isn't the container kind of big? | 20:44 |
| kanzure | hey katy | 20:44 |
| kanzure | well it links over to http://web.mac.com/catherineklapperich/Site/Home.html which talks about microfluidics | 20:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Klapperich_Lab | 20:45 |
| kanzure | hm they say they support openwetware | 20:45 |
| kanzure | but they seem to say the site more than anything | 20:45 |
| kanzure | unless I see some schematics for this device on the next page :p | 20:45 |
| kanzure | # Bhattacharyya A and Klapperich CM. Thermoplastic microfluidic device for on-chip purification of nucleic acids for disposable diagnostics. Anal Chem 2006 Feb 1; 78(3) 788-92. doi:10.1021/ac051449j pmid:16448052. PubMed HubMed [paper2] | 20:46 |
| kanzure | http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?uids=16448052 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | "solid-phase extraction" (SPE) | 20:47 |
| kanzure | "The solid phase consisted of a porous monolithic polymer column impregnated with silica particles. The extraction was achieved due to the binding of nucleic acids to the silica particles in the monolith. The solid phase was formed within the channels of the device by in situ photoinitiated polymerization of a mixture of methacrylate and dimethacrylate monomers, UV-sensitive free-radical initiator, and porogenic solvents. The channel surfaces were pretreated via photografting to covalently attach the monolith to the channel walls. The solid phase prepared by this method allowed for successful extraction and elution of nucleic acids in the polymeric microchip." | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Thermoplastic%20microfluidic%20device%20for%20on-chip%20purification%20of%20nucleic%20acids%20for%20disposable%20diagnostics.pdf | 20:50 |
| kanzure | there's the paper | 20:50 |
| ybit | http://www.soundonmind.com/binauralbeats | 20:58 |
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| kanzure | ybit: care for a game of typespeed? | 21:08 |
| ybit | kanzure: installing now | 21:11 |
| kanzure | space and/or enter both work | 21:12 |
| ybit | kanzure: alright, let's do it | 21:16 |
| kanzure | server name is heybryan.org | 21:16 |
| kanzure | or just use the ip address to heybryan.org | 21:17 |
| ybit | aConnecting to typespeed server at 72.177.121.73 (port 6025)... | 21:18 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:18 |
| kanzure | oh the ip is wrong | 21:18 |
| kanzure | nope | 21:19 |
| ybit | wrong port maybe? | 21:19 |
| ybit | maybe it's my firewall | 21:19 |
| ybit | one sec | 21:19 |
| kanzure | try one more time | 21:20 |
| ybit | recv(): Connection reset by peer | 21:20 |
| kanzure | "remote is not typespeed" | 21:20 |
| kanzure | same thing | 21:20 |
| kanzure | hm. don't know what's wrong. | 21:20 |
| kanzure | I'll look into it I guess. | 21:20 |
| ybit | that was after i removed my firewall too | 21:21 |
| kanzure | that was after I did portforwarding too | 21:21 |
| kanzure | it might be because of my connection. I've been dropping packets and having 4 sec ping lags to google. | 21:21 |
| ybit | who linked to http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/ from in here?... | 21:22 |
| kanzure | me | 21:22 |
| ybit | not sure how i got there | 21:22 |
| ybit | okay | 21:22 |
| kanzure | that's jonathan cline | 21:22 |
| ybit | aha, it was from the logs when searching for sbagen | 21:23 |
| ybit | theodore berger never responded to my email btw | 21:23 |
| ybit | maybe it was because i was too in awe when asking him questions | 21:23 |
| ybit | i'm perfectly content not working in his lab now or any lab except mine | 21:26 |
| splicer | ybit: do you know what you are going to do in the lab? | 21:31 |
| kanzure | world domination research? please? | 21:31 |
| bkero | ybit: You have your own lab? | 21:33 |
| ybit | splicer: probably try to figure out where Brain went wrong in his experiments | 21:38 |
| ybit | bkero: not yet, right now it's just a bunch of equipment for soldering | 21:39 |
| bkero | So you have a soldering station? :) | 21:40 |
| bkero | Or lke a soldering robot? | 21:40 |
| ybit | bkero: yup, and it's nice | 21:40 |
| bkero | http://www.labx.com/ has some decent cheap equipment | 21:41 |
| ybit | here's me soldering station: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HDG0AO/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=304485901&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000I30QBW&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19P24YRM2SHPCZZ2W954 | 21:42 |
| bkero | I'm in the middle of making my own centrifuge, fume hood, and robotic mill | 21:42 |
| bkero | Ah, a hot air | 21:42 |
| splicer | kanzure: just looked at it, you have posted more on diybio than the four largest posters after you put together. | 21:43 |
| ybit | splicer: so, i'd like to replicate some of the work being done in berger's lab, creating in-vivo MEAs is the eventual goal | 21:44 |
| ybit | among others | 21:44 |
| ybit | splicer: who cares | 21:45 |
| ybit | it's like this with other mailing lists | 21:45 |
| ybit | paul does it with open manufacturing | 21:45 |
| ybit | but unlike paul, bryan keeps his posts trimmed typically, though paul's latest haven't been terrible | 21:45 |
| ybit | s/terrible/terribly long | 21:46 |
| splicer | what's a MEA? | 21:46 |
| ybit | bkero: making your own centrifuge, nice, are you replicating someone else's work? | 21:46 |
| ybit | there have been many references on the diybio mailing list and blogs for various centrifuge setups | 21:47 |
| ybit | one guy used a record player i believe | 21:47 |
| ybit | splicer: multi-electrode array | 21:47 |
| bkero | Just using the centrifuge at my old lab as a reference. | 21:47 |
| kanzure | a record player? | 21:48 |
| splicer | ybit: ah, cool | 21:48 |
| bkero | But I'm using some hobby electric motors, eBay electric scooter motor controller, some nice shelled bearings from an engine | 21:48 |
| ybit | i have a junkyard | 21:48 |
| ybit | lol | 21:48 |
| ybit | seriously | 21:48 |
| bkero | I'm just trying to figure out the container | 21:48 |
| bkero | Well, the vial holder | 21:48 |
| ybit | you tell me what type of motor you need and i'll check to see what we have | 21:48 |
| ybit | i was working on a hoverboard design from parts there when i was kindergarten :P | 21:49 |
| bkero | My PSU and controller are set up for 12v 85w | 21:49 |
| ybit | ended up just being a skateboard with a motor | 21:49 |
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| bkero | Hehe | 21:50 |
| ybit | no hovering and no anti-gravity particle surprisingly | 21:50 |
| bkero | Not exactly hovering | 21:50 |
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| bkero | Anyway, people seem to make a big deal out of them. | 21:52 |
| bkero | Honestly, the hardest part is balancing the holder at different speeds. If you don't get it right, they reverberate a lot. | 21:52 |
| ybit | http://www.uva.co.uk/archives/74 | 21:53 |
| * ybit wants this for the flooring here | 21:54 | |
| bkero | Nice | 21:54 |
| ybit | http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?page_id=76 | 21:55 |
| ybit | would like to do that as well for the fun of it, will of course have to speak with some city reps again | 21:55 |
| ybit | labx bookmarked | 21:56 |
| bkero | I have a wiimote whiteboard set up on my wall :) | 21:56 |
| ybit | nice :) | 21:56 |
| bkero | but I'm not using it as a whiteboard | 21:57 |
| bkero | I'm using it as the remote | 21:57 |
| bkero | I have a projector set up with a wiimote camera pointed at it | 21:57 |
| bkero | I have boxee(an xbox media centre derivative) running, and use a laser pointer as a pointer. :) | 21:57 |
| ybit | nothing exciting really about the grafitti laser pointer device, just a good excuse to have fun afk | 21:59 |
| kanzure | don't forget the hard drive + laser pointer device for a writer :) | 22:00 |
| kanzure | hard drive + laser pointer + piezo or something. | 22:00 |
| kanzure | er, wait, the hard drive version used the hard drive arm to manipulate a mirror which the laser shined on | 22:00 |
| bkero | Heh | 22:00 |
| ybit | btw, i think diybio is too limited | 22:03 |
| bkero | Some amusing things I saw at DefCon last year included a projector with a camera. The camera followed a laser pointer and showed a trail on the projector, which dripped | 22:03 |
| ybit | to bio | 22:04 |
| ybit | hence diysci.org | 22:04 |
| ybit | who knows what will come of that, but i kind of have an idea of just collecting all the diy-research being done on the web and posting it there | 22:04 |
| bkero | At what point does something stop being DIY? | 22:04 |
| bkero | When it moves out of a garage? When it's sponsored? | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | when you stop doing it yourself | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | duh | 22:05 |
| ybit | :P | 22:05 |
| bkero | Does that count lab assistants? | 22:05 |
| ybit | when you can't get access to the schematics probably | 22:05 |
| ybit | or source files | 22:05 |
| bkero | So it's open source science then? | 22:05 |
| ybit | i suppose diy doesn't imply that | 22:06 |
| ybit | but it's how i view it | 22:06 |
| ybit | diy/open to everyone | 22:06 |
| bkero | Are there any creative commons licenses that are specific to scientific research? | 22:06 |
| ybit | i haven't searched | 22:07 |
| ybit | bkero: i know Joseph Jackson is part of some open science journal movement, i'm sure there's something on the site if i can find a link | 22:08 |
| bkero | ybit: ping dberkholz on freenode, he does a lot of open source science, he's the guy behind pgd | 22:09 |
| ybit | Preimplantation genetic diagnosis? | 22:09 |
| bkero | http://pgd.osuosl.org/ | 22:09 |
| ybit | ah | 22:10 |
| ybit | i see he's sane too (he uses gentoo :) | 22:11 |
| QuantumG | ricer | 22:11 |
| ybit | :P | 22:11 |
| ybit | http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/ricer-17803.jpg | 22:12 |
| bkero | QuantumG: He's on the gentoo and X council | 22:12 |
| bkero | We use gentoo professionally on hundreds of lab computers | 22:12 |
| QuantumG | dyi auto | 22:12 |
| bkero | In fact, the IRC server you're connected to right now is running gentoo using our configuration management system. ;) | 22:13 |
| QuantumG | gentoo users are emos.. | 22:14 |
| QuantumG | they like to be on the cutting edge | 22:14 |
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| bkero | QuantumG: I can compile packages faster than Ubuntu admins can compile and distribute them for you ;) | 22:14 |
| bkero | But this isn't a channel for that kind of debate. Just know that the server you're connected to right now is running gentoo. | 22:15 |
| QuantumG | I'll know when it goes down. :) | 22:15 |
| bkero | bkero@fir ~ $ uptime 03:13:12 up 1000 days, 9:40, 51 users, load average: 2.45, 1.22, 0.60 | 22:15 |
| bkero | You'll be waiting a while. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | this is, in fact, the right channel for that debate. | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | wow, that irc server can't be too cutting edge then | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | you might as well have installed it from a package. | 22:17 |
| bkero | QuantumG: You have no idea how patched the ircd's on freenode are. | 22:17 |
| bkero | They basically rewrote half of it | 22:17 |
| kanzure | bkero: there is no creative commons licenses for scientific research. there's also nothing for open source hardware, really. patents kind of fuck us. | 22:17 |
| bkero | kanzure: That's big horse shit | 22:17 |
| bkero | There's plenty of artistic coverage in the creative commons, because the creative commons is mostly formed around cultural materials, but scientific research is somewhat of new territory for it. | 22:18 |
| QuantumG | I thought there was a whole lot of licenses with patent dedication requirement clauses | 22:18 |
| kanzure | the open access people do creative commons licensing of their papers | 22:18 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't matter | 22:18 |
| QuantumG | and people moan about them because they're no compatible with the GPL, etc | 22:18 |
| kanzure | the data and source code and schematics are more important | 22:18 |
| kanzure | I mean, I like the open access literature- it's great | 22:18 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't do the trick IMHO | 22:18 |
| kanzure | bkero: see sciencecommons.org | 22:19 |
| kanzure | but they don't do hardware for some reason | 22:19 |
| kanzure | blah | 22:19 |
| bkero | kanzure: I forgot about the science commons. I have a science commons sticker on my old media centre case :) | 22:19 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:19 |
| bkero | Shot the shit with them at OSCON last year. | 22:19 |
| kanzure | I met them at biobarcamp | 22:19 |
| kanzure | which was odd because the person I met was some really young, beautiful woman | 22:19 |
| bkero | They moved OSCON from Portland to SJ this year. :/ | 22:19 |
| kanzure | and it turns out her partner had previously collaborated with me | 22:19 |
| kanzure | we were thinking of writing a paper together, for instance | 22:19 |
| bkero | Sounds like good pickup material | 22:20 |
| kanzure | she offered me coffee but I totally dropped the ball on that one | 22:20 |
| bkero | You bitch :/ | 22:20 |
| kanzure | yes :( | 22:20 |
| * kanzure goes back to gundam 00 | 22:20 | |
| bkero | I would kick myself in the gentleman area for a month. | 22:20 |
| kanzure | oh, believe me. | 22:20 |
| bkero | kanzure: Do yourself a favor and watch Eva instead. :) | 22:20 |
| kanzure | neon genesis evangaleon? | 22:21 |
| bkero | Aye | 22:21 |
| kanzure | evangelion? | 22:21 |
| kanzure | meh | 22:21 |
| kanzure | I never got too into it. | 22:21 |
| kanzure | always seemed to psycho-philosophical or whatever the hell the right term is | 22:21 |
| bkero | Just get through the first 10 episodes or so | 22:21 |
| kanzure | hah | 22:21 |
| bkero | There's a reason it's #1 in almost all lists. :) | 22:21 |
| kanzure | *as I said* | 22:21 |
| * kanzure goes back to gundam | 22:21 | |
| ybit | wow i'm slow, especially when it comes to women, it took me awhile to realize what coffee could mean | 22:27 |
| ybit | guess i can't call myself a man since that's not the first thing that comes to mind | 22:28 |
| bkero | I'm not sure that's inherently manly as it is social. | 22:28 |
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| ybit | was getting ready for nap time, speaking of 'back of the net' with the ladies, the only success i seem to have is when there are drugs involved. i haven't figured out what goes through the head of the drug-induced woman, but i'm guessing it has to go something like 'screw the whiteness/nerdiness, let's do this thing!' | 22:36 |
| ybit | literally speaking, white skin | 22:37 |
| bkero | s/induced/addled/ | 22:37 |
| bkero | And that's called delusion | 22:38 |
| kanzure | it was really for coffee I think | 22:38 |
| bkero | Of course it would be. Coffee and conversation. :) | 22:38 |
| ybit | i also don't have luck because i just don't care for _that_ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | this that or the other? | 22:39 |
| ybit | i ask a coworker of mine to go grab some coffee with me all the time, and i don't have plans of taking him home with me, i just want to chat | 22:39 |
| ybit | him = the computer engineering grad/father figure | 22:39 |
| bkero | Sure. | 22:39 |
| kanzure | bkero: be nice | 22:39 |
| ybit | :P | 22:40 |
| bkero | i ask folks out to coffee to chat. If the chat goes well and something happens, so be it, but it's not inherently nefarious. | 22:40 |
| ybit | all this of _that_ makes me want to watch some robot pr0n | 22:40 |
| bkero | ybit: Get a fake ID and rent some ultrapr0nn | 22:40 |
| ybit | bkero: i was referring to 'how it's made" silly | 22:41 |
| bkero | Hehe, I have those | 22:42 |
| ybit | kanzure: toolbook is mostly for fabrication processes iirc | 22:48 |
| ybit | yes? | 22:48 |
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| ybit | how to do this and that with certain machines | 22:48 |
| ybit | haha, """+1, because if there's going to be a fight, then fucking have it | 22:51 |
| ybit | already and quit carping at each other. Man up, both of you, and speak | 22:51 |
| ybit | your minds for once.""" | 22:51 |
| ybit | if there's going to be a fight, do it in private email for tux's sake | 22:53 |
| genehacker | ??? | 22:54 |
| ybit | diybio.org admins are useless it seems, the suggestions have been made over and over and yet they don't implement | 22:54 |
| ybit | i should speak up but i don't want to waste my time | 22:55 |
| genehacker | that doesn't surprise me | 22:55 |
| bkero | Did someone call for an administrator? | 22:55 |
| * bkero is superadmin. | 22:55 | |
| ybit | heh, a gentoo admin with actual experience, that would be nice | 22:56 |
| ybit | feel free to admin diysci.org ;) | 22:56 |
| ybit | anywho, i was thinking toolbook would be part of freefab.org, kanzure | 22:56 |
| ybit | but if it's going into experiments, then i would make it a part of diysci | 22:57 |
| ybit | isn't it Smari who's working on tangible bit? | 22:58 |
| ybit | think so | 23:00 |
| * ybit is away reading | 23:00 | |
| bkero | ybit: Sure, need hosting? | 23:10 |
| ybit | really? yeah, that'd be great | 23:13 |
| ybit | er, bkero | 23:13 |
| ybit | wait, guess that doesn't imply free | 23:14 |
| * ybit is a poor man | 23:15 | |
| bkero | It's free | 23:15 |
| ybit | \o/ | 23:15 |
| ybit | alright, i'm there. | 23:15 |
| bkero | Heh | 23:16 |
| ybit | 'sign me up', and all the other cliche sayings for accepting an offer | 23:16 |
| ybit | my upload is terrible here | 23:16 |
| bkero | Heh | 23:17 |
| bkero | I'll give you an ssh account and a webroot | 23:17 |
| ybit | great, ty | 23:17 |
| bkero | It's set up | 23:20 |
| ybit | bkero: PM details? | 23:20 |
| bkero | 8) | 23:41 |
| ybit | there's just a lot of neat dev being done with jabber | 23:41 |
| bkero | Does it do more than IRC yet/ | 23:42 |
| bkero | ? | 23:42 |
| ybit | logs conversations automatically | 23:42 |
| ybit | that's +1 | 23:42 |
| bkero | The server logs conversations? | 23:43 |
| bkero | There are a lot of channels on here that don't allow logging | 23:43 |
| bkero | The apache channels don't allow any logging for instance. | 23:43 |
| ybit | why not? | 23:44 |
| bkero | A lot of the conversation that goes on there could be construed as official stances from the apache project, instead of the members opinions. | 23:45 |
| bkero | Also it messes with companies keeping logs for things like SOX | 23:45 |
| ybit | then there's jingle | 23:46 |
| bkero | Google has an IRC network for all their employees, and if Legal ever found out it existed, it would be shut down instantly. | 23:46 |
| ybit | the future of voice communication | 23:46 |
| bkero | s/employees/engineers/ | 23:46 |
| ybit | http://xmpp.org/extensions/ | 23:46 |
| genehacker | heh | 23:47 |
| bkero | Multi-user chat still isn't in the standard, it's a draft. ;) | 23:49 |
| bkero | http://gizmodo.com/5313807/someone-finally-figured-out-what-a-600fps-camera-is-for | 23:52 |
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