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| * ybit is appreciative of samples from companies | 00:32 | |
| ybit | is it bad to tweet to one's self on irc for a couple of hours?.. | 00:33 |
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| ybit | sylgard 184 | 00:35 |
| ybit | $34.88/250ml | 00:36 |
| ybit | http://css.superioressex.com/scripts/wscssprd.wsc/op/op_indexB2C.html | 00:36 |
| ybit | ^where i found the price | 00:36 |
| ybit | http://www.dowcorning.com gives free samples | 00:37 |
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| ybit | so i need some type of photolith setup | 01:02 |
| ybit | the led setup first comes to mind | 01:02 |
| ybit | and then there's the projector/microscope thingie that genehacker had been talking about | 01:03 |
| ybit | and to do photolith, i probably need a cleanroom, this room i'm in will do. has ac and heat, a window, all that it's lacking is an air purifier, and some other slight modifications, e.g. the door | 01:04 |
| ybit | 6k is rather expensive | 01:07 |
| ybit | 2k-4k i can afford | 01:08 |
| ybit | usd | 01:08 |
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| ybit | 16:52 < genehacker> microscope's displaying image | 01:20 |
| ybit | 16:54 < genehacker> and it's not fuzzy | 01:20 |
| ybit | and this your mircroscope photolith device, genehacker? | 01:21 |
| ybit | s/and/is | 01:21 |
| ybit | heybryan.org is down | 01:23 |
| ybit | was looking for papers/protein-purification/notes.txt | 01:23 |
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| splicer | i saw people are building microscopes from webcams | 04:16 |
| drazak | ping anyone that can download papers from pubmed for me | 04:45 |
| drazak | kanzure: | 04:45 |
| drazak | f | 04:45 |
| drazak | fenn: | 04:45 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19556500?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:46 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19458646?ordinalpos=6&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:47 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19421585?ordinalpos=12&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:47 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19345319?ordinalpos=21&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:48 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19273094?ordinalpos=50&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:51 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19245527?ordinalpos=55&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:52 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19197982?ordinalpos=71&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:55 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19188756?ordinalpos=81&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:56 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19188753?ordinalpos=82&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:56 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19144668?ordinalpos=96&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:57 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19131912?ordinalpos=103&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:57 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19105617?ordinalpos=120&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:58 |
| drazak | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19093804?ordinalpos=133&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 04:59 |
| drazak | kanzure, fenn, ybit: could one of you grab those and email them to be at ben.gadoua@gmail.com | 05:00 |
| kanzure | ybit: you can do photolithography with a UV lamp, SU8, and a mask | 06:56 |
| fenn | are there any studies on the long term health effects of listening to techno 24/7? | 06:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.springerlink.com.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/content/u948767115kn4x60/ | 07:00 |
| kanzure | The long-term effects of auditory training on children with autism | 07:00 |
| ybit | drazak: i can, but don't have time right now, am leaving for work | 07:34 |
| kanzure | drazak: it would have been nice if you would have just given us a text file | 07:49 |
| Utopiah | checked http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_Curators but found nothing related to free electronic blueprint repository, recommendations? | 08:03 |
| kanzure | what about free electronic blueprint repository? | 09:38 |
| kanzure | there isn't one out there yet | 09:38 |
| kanzure | although there is liquidwares or something | 09:38 |
| kanzure | but anyway, it sucks, and I wouldn't rely on it | 09:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: where can I find catalogs for DC motors? | 09:39 |
| fenn | DC motors arent used very often in industry | 09:40 |
| fenn | maxonmotorusa.com? | 09:40 |
| fenn | depends how much you want to spend, i guess | 09:40 |
| fenn | "Chana de Wolf Chana de Wolf Research for the Future and Beyond" | 09:40 |
| kanzure | she's on acceleratingfuture.com and lifeboat? | 09:41 |
| kanzure | srsly wtf | 09:41 |
| * fenn glances accusingly at ybit | 09:43 | |
| genehacker | dc motors? | 09:45 |
| genehacker | techno 24/7? really? | 09:45 |
| fenn | genehacker: that was mostly me being bitchy about kanzure not liking my african music | 09:48 |
| kanzure | so, I could be improving djangit and writing some more unit tests (there are a few particular errors I should really work through) | 09:53 |
| kanzure | or I could be installing pythonOCC | 09:53 |
| kanzure | or throwing stones at HeeksPython | 09:53 |
| genehacker | heh try some some music from einhander | 09:53 |
| genehacker | it's techno but not quite | 09:53 |
| genehacker | kanzure I believe so | 09:58 |
| genehacker | on the UV light thing | 09:58 |
| kanzure | what? | 10:12 |
| kanzure | does anyone remember the name of the paper where the researchers used a CD to pattern sharpie ink | 10:16 |
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| kanzure | Patterning Design in Color at the Submicron Scale - Arun Chattopadhyay - stamps via CDs http://tinyurl.com/ddv4wd | 10:27 |
| kanzure | aha | 10:27 |
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| kanzure | or I could be writing some new code for what I've been thinking of calling 'pymates' | 10:39 |
| kanzure | (until it's worthy of importing into skdb) | 10:39 |
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| genehacker | ??? | 10:41 |
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| fenn | http://www.opencascade.org/org/community/projects/?d_id=10 | 11:10 |
| kanzure | http://projects.opencascade.org/projects/assembly.html | 11:11 |
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| kanzure | http://www.opencascade.org/org/doc/ | 11:22 |
| kanzure | did they leave off a link on this pag | 11:22 |
| kanzure | *page? | 11:22 |
| fenn | yes | 11:27 |
| fenn | (again) how to install pythonOCC on ubuntu: http://pastebin.ca/1497209 | 11:28 |
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| drazak | kanzure: sorry | 11:36 |
| drazak | kanzure: it was late | 11:36 |
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| * fenn does the tutorial http://www.opencascade.org/org/gettingstarted/appli/ | 11:44 | |
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| fenn | i need to start making a list of OCC acronyms and what they stand for | 11:56 |
| kanzure | please do | 11:56 |
| kanzure | can you put it on http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/occ ? | 11:56 |
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| fenn | this might be helpful to get an overview of OCC (unfortunately the snippets are useless since you cant download pythonizer): http://pythonizer.org/pythoncascade/gallery.html | 12:09 |
| fenn | some of them certainly look familiar http://pythonizer.org/pythoncascade/gallery/geo15.htm | 12:10 |
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| fenn | i guess jelle just copied all of it and pythonOCC-ified them | 12:10 |
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| * fenn wonders if `sudo chgrp lab ./ -R` was a good idea | 12:22 | |
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| fenn | but seriously what's up with all the "root root" files | 12:23 |
| drazak | kanzure: drazak.net/~drazak/pubmedlist | 12:23 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/ | 12:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/OpenCASCADE_src.tgz | 12:35 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/pdf/ | 12:40 |
| kanzure | there we go | 12:40 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ | 12:42 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/Overview/ | 12:42 |
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| drazak | kanzure: it'd be great if I could get those papers some time before sunday | 12:44 |
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| fenn | ok i'll stop bitching.. i should've read this i guess http://www.opencascade.com/customers/successmain/ | 12:48 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/pdf/ocaf.pdf | 12:52 |
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| kanzure | http://github.com/abiggerhammer/djangit/blob/00479184fdeaee7db5bea5efb1d9fc9d066668ab/docs/mlp-workingnotes | 14:09 |
| kanzure | meredith seems like fenn sometimes | 14:10 |
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| fenn | clone army, attack! | 14:11 |
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| bkero | Can I have a clone army? | 15:05 |
| fenn | will clone for cookies | 15:06 |
| kanzure | hell of a lot of cookies | 15:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: go get the cookie dough | 15:07 |
| drazak | bkero: I'll work on it in boston | 15:07 |
| bkero | Just had an ex girlfriend in boston | 15:09 |
| bkero | She's traveling around the east coast, she was trolling Boston yesterday | 15:09 |
| drazak | nice | 15:09 |
| ybit | we have a hooker in this city, one hooker | 15:11 |
| bkero | Lots of snobbery | 15:11 |
| bkero | Boston has a BUNCH of hookers | 15:11 |
| bkero | They're all college students, trying to pay for school | 15:11 |
| ybit | our hooker doesn't even look hookerish | 15:11 |
| ybit | bkero: there's another name for that here: sorority chicks | 15:12 |
| * ybit should be quiet | 15:13 | |
| * ybit interacts with them everyday | 15:13 | |
| drazak | lol | 15:20 |
| fenn | is that what you kids are calling it these days | 15:29 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pymates | 15:30 |
| ybit | yes fenn, that is the urban word for sex | 15:34 |
| * ybit interacts with CIA-73 | 15:34 | |
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| genehacker | most of the machines in the machine shop are manual??? | 15:39 |
| ybit | genehacker: have you been working on projector based photolithography? | 15:39 |
| genehacker | WTF | 15:40 |
| genehacker | errr... | 15:40 |
| genehacker | no | 15:40 |
| ybit | what was the 'micrsocope is fuzzy' stuff yesterday? | 15:40 |
| genehacker | I was using an SEM | 15:40 |
| ybit | o.O | 15:40 |
| * ybit beats genehacker and steals the sem | 15:41 | |
| ybit | CIA-73: don't you say a word about this | 15:41 |
| ybit | genehacker: so what were you using the sem for? | 15:41 |
| genehacker | lol | 15:42 |
| genehacker | the SEM is hard to move | 15:42 |
| genehacker | looking at metal | 15:42 |
| ybit | part of some class? | 15:42 |
| genehacker | to see metal's metallic structure | 15:43 |
| genehacker | yes | 15:43 |
| ybit | why can't we have cool classes in the summer | 15:43 |
| ybit | we have lame-o general ed in the summer, only a few specialized classes, none that are much interesting though | 15:44 |
| genehacker | what's your major? | 15:44 |
| ybit | molecular bio | 15:44 |
| ybit | just getting into the molecular part of it | 15:44 |
| genehacker | oh then that's why you don't get to use an SEM | 15:44 |
| ybit | and the fact that my college sucks major balls | 15:45 |
| genehacker | because you're not taking materials | 15:45 |
| genehacker | which is an ME class | 15:45 |
| ybit | which is why i'll be changing schools for one with a biomedeng undergrad degree | 15:45 |
| genehacker | hey molecular biology can be useful | 15:46 |
| genehacker | this class I'm taking isn't particularly fun either | 15:46 |
| ybit | sure, but i want to take some ee courses too | 15:46 |
| ybit | and some me course would be fun | 15:47 |
| genehacker | the microscope couldn't even see stuff on the nanometer scale and it still was sort of fuzzy | 15:47 |
| ybit | hey, as long as grant money is paying, i can do this | 15:47 |
| genehacker | here's the deal most classes aren't fun | 15:47 |
| ybit | true that | 15:47 |
| genehacker | because you do the same stuff over and over and things get monotonous | 15:47 |
| ybit | school is lame, but if i must go, then i'm going to take some of the more interesting ones | 15:48 |
| genehacker | try underwater basketweaving | 15:48 |
| ybit | best thing about school so far aside from drunken women thinking i'm hot at that particular moment is the professors. i like picking their brains | 15:48 |
| ybit | actually, i know someone who majored in basketweaving :P | 15:49 |
| ybit | now he's the head reference librarian here | 15:49 |
| genehacker | so ybit can you get access to some FPLC machines? | 15:50 |
| ybit | genehacker: that's a good question, i seriously doubt it | 15:50 |
| ybit | couldn't hurt to email a few profs though | 15:50 |
| genehacker | go for it | 15:50 |
| genehacker | we'd like some purified protein | 15:51 |
| genehacker | specifically some nucleotidase | 15:51 |
| ybit | already asked for an inventory list from both the chem and bio department heads, didn't get anything | 15:51 |
| ybit | proposed forming an i-gem team, nothing | 15:52 |
| genehacker | someone tried to start an igem team here | 15:52 |
| genehacker | didn't work out | 15:52 |
| ybit | don't really care too much for i-gem, but i would have to take matters into my own hands if there's any off-campus event going on which i would like to be involved, which might not be a bad thing | 15:52 |
| ybit | genehacker: so what are your plans when you graduate? | 15:57 |
| ybit | work-wise | 15:57 |
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| ybit | my goal is to simply make enough money to build a bio/chem/fab lab, automated garden, and house by the beach, with enough room for to launch machines into space; kind of ambitious | 15:59 |
| ybit | -for | 15:59 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:59 |
| ybit | yes? | 15:59 |
| * ybit has been trying to figure out the money situation the past few days, i know that's such a nasty word to use in here | 16:00 | |
| ybit | figured if i save 10% of all my earnings for ~20 years, i should have enough for this | 16:01 |
| kanzure | how much money do you need | 16:01 |
| ybit | well, Smari says it's about 100kusd for a fablab now | 16:01 |
| ybit | minimum | 16:01 |
| ybit | phreedom seems to think you can have it for around 10k | 16:01 |
| ybit | i don't think so | 16:01 |
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| ybit | i think it will cost about 100k minimum for the lab, 100k for the property, 100k for the house, 10-30k for misc. things | 16:02 |
| kanzure | you think it would take 20 years to save 100k? | 16:02 |
| ybit | this is the very minimum me thinks | 16:02 |
| ybit | about 400k yeah | 16:02 |
| ybit | the average for a research scientist is 20-40k/year | 16:03 |
| kanzure | you need to check your math | 16:03 |
| ybit | ..in spain | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | you shouldn't be a research scientist | 16:03 |
| ybit | hah, then what? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | join my startup? | 16:03 |
| ybit | thought about neurosurgeon | 16:03 |
| ybit | you have a startup? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | well what do you think's going on in here? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | bullshitting? | 16:04 |
| ybit | hmm | 16:04 |
| * kanzure hops a bus | 16:04 | |
| ybit | argh, too quick for me. | 16:05 |
| ybit | do you have a business plan, kanzure? | 16:05 |
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| Smari | ybit, for the fab lab as it is in the "standard" package, 100k. | 16:48 |
| Smari | ybit, but if you're smart about it you can probably do better. | 16:49 |
| Smari | it's the capabilities you want.. I'd say don't skimp on the laser, but definitely toss in a RepRap, find a good way to mill circuit boards - I don't support the Modela (Roland MDX-20) myself, it sucks... | 16:50 |
| Smari | Shopbot is something you'll want, or at least something similar. | 16:51 |
| Smari | Torchmates are nice but they're less reliable than the shopbot, although being designed for tool switching is a plus | 17:01 |
| genehacker | mill circuit boards? | 17:08 |
| genehacker | reprap can with some mods | 17:08 |
| Smari | true | 17:19 |
| Smari | reprap needs a good standard milling bit head. | 17:19 |
| Smari | What btw is the accuracy of the reprap like on each axis? | 17:20 |
| Smari | For good PCB milling it needs to be at least in the range of 30 microns or so | 17:20 |
| drazak | how would you guys purify dina in a lab | 17:40 |
| drazak | cells+chaps then centrifue? | 17:40 |
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| genehacker | why would we want to Purify Dina? | 18:07 |
| genehacker | She's one of our friends | 18:08 |
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| kanzure | http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~mwalfish/diss.html | 18:15 |
| Smari | kanzure, did we ever reach a conclusion on the file format for defining industrial processes? | 18:21 |
| Smari | I think that conversation was mostly between Sam Rose, you, and myself.. | 18:21 |
| kanzure | Smari: that's what's in the skdb repo | 18:24 |
| kanzure | give me a few minutes | 18:24 |
| kanzure | how long will you be awake? | 18:24 |
| Smari | I should probably be going to sleep soon. | 18:25 |
| drazak | genehacker: dna | 18:26 |
| kanzure | okay. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | well. yes, there's a file format that we've been working on | 18:26 |
| kanzure | it is currently somewhat expressed in the repository | 18:26 |
| kanzure | but it's not all in one place | 18:26 |
| kanzure | because it's still in the testing stages | 18:26 |
| Smari | Is it YAML? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pymates/blob/032a6fd404af60e3efc608476058de5fd31ae72e/models/blockhole.yaml | 18:27 |
| kanzure | yeah | 18:27 |
| kanzure | that's a new repo and is not skdb | 18:28 |
| Smari | I started defining an XML one way back when.. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | it's a sub project that may be put into skdb eventually | 18:28 |
| Smari | Ah. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | if you have some of the XML laying around I'd love to see it | 18:28 |
| Smari | That's not what I mean though | 18:28 |
| kanzure | right | 18:28 |
| kanzure | but take a look at this: | 18:28 |
| drazak | kanzure: any luck finding any of those papers on http://drazak.net/~drazak/pubmedlist.txt? | 18:28 |
| Smari | hang on, lets see if I can find it | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/2a25db93088ce8ee7ee0873e73a1cfa59e9dd2ec/processes.yaml | 18:28 |
| kanzure | I lost my eyesight today so please bare with me | 18:29 |
| kanzure | drazak: yeah I'll get to it now after dinner | 18:29 |
| kanzure | will the server be up then? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | Smari: one other thing to note | 18:29 |
| Smari | Why did you lose it? | 18:29 |
| drazak | will drazak.net? | 18:29 |
| drazak | yes | 18:29 |
| Smari | eyesight that is | 18:29 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/2a25db93088ce8ee7ee0873e73a1cfa59e9dd2ec/screw.yaml | 18:29 |
| kanzure | the glasses broke | 18:29 |
| Smari | ah | 18:29 |
| Smari | hehe | 18:29 |
| Smari | no damage to the actual eyes then? | 18:30 |
| drazak | kanzure: I was able to find Discher Putra and Malchesky | 18:30 |
| kanzure | ack that screw is totally wrong | 18:30 |
| kanzure | no damage to the eyes | 18:30 |
| Smari | What I mean is different.. | 18:30 |
| Smari | I can't find the XML.. | 18:30 |
| Smari | but let me toss up a quick example | 18:30 |
| kanzure | there are two things that are going on here I guess | 18:31 |
| kanzure | (1) screw.yaml and blockhole.yaml are partial examples of a format for expressing parts/machines | 18:31 |
| kanzure | (2) taxonomy.yaml is the manufacturing process YAML file | 18:32 |
| kanzure | now, eventually, certain packages (#1) will implement certain attributes for the different processes (from #2) | 18:32 |
| Smari | kanzure, http://smari.yaxic.org/hall-heroult.process -- example | 18:45 |
| Smari | incomplete! | 18:45 |
| Smari | With this you define a network of processes and materials, and could do a chain search.. | 18:46 |
| Smari | This could also describe more things like "how to assemble a bike" | 18:46 |
| Smari | but for now I'm more interested in more basic things. | 18:46 |
| Smari | Like specific chemical reactions and industrial processes. | 18:47 |
| Smari | Is it good? | 18:52 |
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| Smari | oft cometh he of whom we speak. | 18:57 |
| Smari | samrose, y0. | 18:57 |
| Smari | samrose, check out: http://smari.yaxic.org/hall-heroult.process | 18:57 |
| Smari | samrose, did we ever reach a conclusion in this discussion? | 18:58 |
| samrose | Smari, we never got very far with that discussion. Can't recall why. I think we were both busy with other stuff | 18:59 |
| Smari | samrose, yeah. It was an interesting and important one, but kind of just shored out. | 18:59 |
| samrose | Can you remind me of where you last left it? | 19:00 |
| samrose | that was it eh? http://www.appropedia.org/Callooh | 19:00 |
| samrose | err | 19:00 |
| Smari | Hmm. That may have been an icelandicism.. "shored out" - "fjaraði út"... dunno, is that something you'd say in English? | 19:00 |
| samrose | http://smari.yaxic.org/hall-heroult.process | 19:00 |
| samrose | shorted out definitely | 19:00 |
| Smari | not the same then | 19:00 |
| Smari | "fjaraði út" means like, "the tide went out"... | 19:00 |
| Smari | nevermind | 19:01 |
| samrose | I see | 19:01 |
| Smari | samrose, I had written another XML file with more or less the same kind of feel to it as that one but I can't remember what happened to it, I just tossed that one together now. | 19:01 |
| Smari | I had also written a draft DTD | 19:01 |
| Smari | Which is now also gone. | 19:02 |
| samrose | Smari did you lose these files? | 19:02 |
| Smari | Both may have been lost when my hard drive crashed last december. | 19:02 |
| samrose | argh, that sucks | 19:02 |
| Smari | yeah | 19:03 |
| Smari | But what do you think, is that something we could use? | 19:03 |
| Smari | Very rudimentary... | 19:03 |
| samrose | I think you are on the right track | 19:03 |
| Smari | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_purification_methods_in_chemistry -- these might need some representation.. | 19:04 |
| samrose | the idea of "process" is interesting, actually kind of different from what I have been talking to others about lately, but perhaps a better overall wrapper | 19:04 |
| Smari | I honestly don't know enough about industrial engineering or chemical engineering to flesh out the DTD properly.. | 19:05 |
| samrose | Hmmm...you've got me thinking | 19:05 |
| samrose | I wonder if an hierarchical outline would even work for a process | 19:05 |
| Smari | elaborate? | 19:06 |
| kanzure | hello | 19:06 |
| samrose | I mean, I can see how it would easily work | 19:06 |
| kanzure | thanks for the example | 19:06 |
| samrose | but, I am thinking about how chemical emulations of processes might do it | 19:06 |
| kanzure | I encoded a list of separation processes into the YAML format the other day | 19:07 |
| kanzure | there should be a copy of it in the latest commit of skdb | 19:07 |
| Smari | essentially what I'm getting at is a machine readable Merck index that can be traversed. I point a piece of software at my personal inventory and say, "I want to build an airplane", and it searches through this database of processes and finds the shortest path from my inventory to the airplane and tells me what that path is and what else I'm going to need. | 19:07 |
| kanzure | yep[ | 19:07 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * r3d50817 / inventory/hall-heroult.process : added smari example - http://bit.ly/9RGQI | 19:08 |
| kanzure | smari did you read my email about retrosynthetic analysis? | 19:08 |
| Smari | kanzure, nope. Which list? OM? | 19:08 |
| samrose | Smari, yes this is what kanzure has essentially talked to me about too | 19:08 |
| kanzure | it's a way of starting with an end-compound and then working back to simple starting materials (for chemistry) | 19:08 |
| kanzure | but in all honesty this goes for everything (ever) | 19:08 |
| Smari | kanzure, I'm backlogged by several hundred e-mails. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | okay | 19:08 |
| kanzure | just search for 'retrosynthetic' | 19:08 |
| Smari | it wasn't on OM | 19:09 |
| kanzure | ah here we go | 19:09 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_frm/thread/a46d00dc5b9bd694/c839acccc360e2f8?lnk=gst&q=retrosynthetic#c839acccc360e2f8 | 19:09 |
| kanzure | well it was on diybio at least | 19:09 |
| samrose | kanzure, I think it could be fairly simple to transform Smari's DTD to YAML should it ever need to be done. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | (that's the diytranshumanist list but anyway) | 19:09 |
| kanzure | samrose: yeah I agree | 19:09 |
| kanzure | samrose: I haven't read through it yet though | 19:09 |
| kanzure | I like how you have units in the file | 19:09 |
| kanzure | that is especially important | 19:09 |
| kanzure | however, <voltage>110kV</voltage> is retarded | 19:10 |
| kanzure | just say 110kV | 19:10 |
| kanzure | there's a wrapper for GNU units in skdb at the moment | 19:10 |
| kanzure | I wonder if I should wake up fenn | 19:10 |
| kanzure | so what I'm doing this week is writing up something called 'pymates', a sub library of skdb to figure out how to connect things together | 19:11 |
| kanzure | at the moment I'm just going to use this random interconnection method and then slowly add in ways to check whether or not there are conflicting/intersecting geometries | 19:12 |
| kanzure | and then whether or not there are conflicting "units ranges" | 19:12 |
| kanzure | for instance, a 3000 psi pipe should not be connected to something that is only rated for a maximum of 20 psi | 19:12 |
| kanzure | (if 3000 psi is going to be coming out of it I mean) | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | ah here we go | 19:15 |
| kanzure | what was the last message that you got, smari? | 19:15 |
| samrose | but, I am wondering how well it would work if I wanted to feed such data into evolutionary algorithms, to potentially create new mutations of processes | 19:15 |
| samrose | I think it could work | 19:15 |
| samrose | I realize that is not your problem | 19:15 |
| samrose | :) | 19:15 |
| Smari | ohh | 19:15 |
| samrose | hahah | 19:15 |
| kanzure | oh crap | 19:15 |
| samrose | kanzure I saw you bumped off | 19:15 |
| kanzure | however, <voltage>110kV</voltage> is retarded | 19:15 |
| kanzure | just say 110kV | 19:15 |
| kanzure | there's a wrapper for GNU units in skdb at the moment | 19:15 |
| kanzure | I wonder if I should wake up fenn | 19:15 |
| kanzure | for instance, a 3000 psi pipe should not be connected to something that is only rated for a maximum of 20 psi | 19:15 |
| kanzure | er | 19:15 |
| kanzure | that was out of order | 19:16 |
| kanzure | at the moment I'm just going to use this random interconnection method and then slowly add in ways to check whether or not there are conflicting/intersecting geometries | 19:16 |
| Smari | kanzure, it's XML. You need tags. Implicit structure breaks XML. | 19:16 |
| kanzure | er | 19:16 |
| kanzure | so that was lal out of order, please excuse me | 19:16 |
| Smari | samrose, you just opened a huge can of worms. | 19:16 |
| kanzure | one part of this app that I am working on this week is a way to connect parts together | 19:16 |
| samrose | Smari forget my shit! :-D | 19:16 |
| kanzure | Smari: yeah actually that's what we're doing at ADL | 19:16 |
| kanzure | samrose: no, no, that's what we're doing in the lab | 19:17 |
| kanzure | we're coming up with new possible combinations of permutations of processes | 19:17 |
| kanzure | or combinations of them | 19:17 |
| kanzure | it's related to shape grammars and graph grammars | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://graphsynth.com/ | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://ggwiki.org/ | 19:17 |
| Smari | yeah, it should be easy to do... | 19:17 |
| samrose | kanzure cool! | 19:17 |
| Smari | but you need a good database of processes.. | 19:17 |
| kanzure | Smari: yes, that's what fenn is transcribing | 19:17 |
| kanzure | there's a book that has a good database for about 150 | 19:17 |
| kanzure | he's transcribed about 10 of them into the YAML format | 19:17 |
| Smari | neat.. | 19:17 |
| kanzure | :p | 19:17 |
| samrose | Smari, yes, I think it would not conflict at all with XML structured doc | 19:17 |
| kanzure | so | 19:18 |
| Smari | because if you've got the inputs and the outputs correct then permuting is merely a question of lining them up in unforseen ways. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | it sounds like we're all still talking about the same things | 19:18 |
| samrose | Smari are you using GNU Unit too? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | Smari: exactly | 19:18 |
| kanzure | there was actually this book I read the toher day | 19:18 |
| Smari | samrose, I haven't written any code. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | it was about purification and separation processes | 19:18 |
| kanzure | and how to logically combine them into different sequences | 19:18 |
| Smari | but using GNU units is sensible. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | because you can't do IEX immediately, or GP immediately | 19:18 |
| kanzure | Smari: well there's a python wrapper in the repo :) | 19:19 |
| kanzure | and unit tests :) | 19:19 |
| kanzure | units unit tests, I mean | 19:19 |
| Smari | kanzure, of course there is! :) | 19:19 |
| kanzure | so anyway, these separation processes are also in the repo (in inventory/) | 19:19 |
| Smari | I got caught up yesterday in writing code for a terrain management thing.. didn't get very far. | 19:19 |
| Smari | What's the git path for skdb again? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | you're both welcome to start, say, poking around in the skdb codebase | 19:19 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git/ | 19:19 |
| kanzure | the pretty web interface is over here though: | 19:19 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/ | 19:19 |
| Smari | I want to clone it.. | 19:20 |
| kanzure | clone the adl link then | 19:20 |
| Smari | spm@cauchy:~/src/skdb$ git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git | 19:20 |
| Smari | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/spm/src/skdb/skdb/.git/ | 19:20 |
| Smari | fatal: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | um | 19:20 |
| kanzure | one moment | 19:20 |
| kanzure | yeah | 19:21 |
| kanzure | try again | 19:21 |
| Smari | better | 19:21 |
| kanzure | so, samrose we haven't talked in a while | 19:21 |
| samrose | pulling down for me too | 19:21 |
| kanzure | so I wanted to mention djangit | 19:21 |
| kanzure | djangit is a python wiki based on django and git | 19:22 |
| samrose | you did tell me about djangit last week | 19:22 |
| kanzure | we're considering using it for a frontend web interface to skdb since everyone wants a web interface | 19:22 |
| samrose | the git repo'd django wiki | 19:22 |
| kanzure | anybody who knows how to use git can just use git | 19:22 |
| samrose | kanzure it is a good idea | 19:22 |
| kanzure | but people who want to use a wiki can just use the wiki | 19:22 |
| kanzure | I figure that smari's map could go into there easily enough as a plugin | 19:22 |
| kanzure | one other plguin to implement is stuff like, | 19:22 |
| samrose | not to mention all of the other stuff you could add into a django site | 19:22 |
| samrose | if needed | 19:22 |
| kanzure | if there's a .yaml file being displayed, then render the objects | 19:23 |
| kanzure | by running through the wiki_repr method for each of the objects in the yaml file | 19:23 |
| kanzure | so a wiki_repr method might say something like, display the SVG representation of the process or part | 19:23 |
| Smari | kanzure, we should seriously be discussing merging these projects. It's silly to have them separated considering the commonality of the goals. | 19:23 |
| kanzure | and other various pieces of metadata | 19:23 |
| kanzure | Smari: yeah :) | 19:23 |
| samrose | kanzure this is cool | 19:23 |
| samrose | kanzure igraph is another possibility | 19:23 |
| kanzure | is that like graphviz? | 19:24 |
| samrose | http://igraph.sourceforge.net/ | 19:24 |
| samrose | a python lib, with built in network analysis | 19:24 |
| Smari | ohh | 19:24 |
| samrose | kind of like graphviz, but with much more | 19:24 |
| kanzure | check out the images here: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/ | 19:24 |
| samrose | anyway, not matter which lib, ideas are awesome | 19:24 |
| kanzure | just some representations of the yaml | 19:24 |
| kanzure | okay | 19:24 |
| Smari | kanzure, what files are the most enlightening in the skdb dir? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | graphviz seems kind of old. if there's something more active, that's awesome | 19:25 |
| kanzure | Smari: skdb.py | 19:25 |
| samrose | I see http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy.svg | 19:25 |
| kanzure | samrose: yeah that's a fun one | 19:25 |
| samrose | kanzure, we are working on a little standard that would let you pipe data to all kinds of libraries, pretty much any programming lang | 19:25 |
| kanzure | here's a smaller version of that: | 19:25 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy-small.png | 19:25 |
| samrose | http://code.google.com/p/flows-dev/ | 19:26 |
| samrose | We could make a wrapper for djangit | 19:26 |
| kanzure | samrose: did you ever hear about my ideas for a "semantic shell"? | 19:26 |
| samrose | kanzure, I have not | 19:26 |
| kanzure | it was this idea that ggetopt needs to be revived | 19:26 |
| kanzure | and instead of just specifying arguments in the man pages,' | 19:26 |
| kanzure | they should be specified by what sort of MIME types they are expecting | 19:27 |
| kanzure | kind of like an improved way of doing piping | 19:27 |
| kanzure | or ways to glue shell apps together | 19:27 |
| samrose | huh | 19:27 |
| kanzure | anyway, not sure if that's what you're talking about | 19:27 |
| samrose | it is similar | 19:27 |
| samrose | it could be useful | 19:27 |
| samrose | actually | 19:27 |
| samrose | especially when we start looking at connecting stuff on server with stuff on desktop computer | 19:27 |
| kanzure | talked with the debian people about it a bit, apparently the debtags folks were originally trying to do something like that | 19:27 |
| kanzure | but they all grew vaginas | 19:27 |
| kanzure | and decided to just do tagging | 19:27 |
| samrose | hahah | 19:28 |
| bkero | What is tagging? | 19:28 |
| kanzure | bkero: debtags? | 19:28 |
| bkero | YUes | 19:28 |
| bkero | Yes | 19:28 |
| samrose | Smari, kanzure is good idea to combine efforts | 19:28 |
| kanzure | http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ | 19:28 |
| samrose | should not matter which metadata you use | 19:28 |
| kanzure | debian tag cloud: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/cloud/ | 19:28 |
| kanzure | anyway. it sucks. :) | 19:29 |
| kanzure | they tag them sometimes by what types of files the programs open | 19:29 |
| kanzure | but that is totally bullshit because you don't know how you use them to open those files | 19:29 |
| Smari | The skdb stuff is so chaotic | 19:29 |
| kanzure | Smari: the skdb.py file? | 19:29 |
| Smari | Nah, it's fine. | 19:30 |
| Smari | I mean the rest of the files in the git | 19:30 |
| kanzure | I'd be happy to explain | 19:30 |
| kanzure | oh, the rest is total bullshit | 19:30 |
| kanzure | graphtheory.py for instance is something I committed | 19:30 |
| kanzure | everything in inventory/ is also bullsit | 19:30 |
| kanzure | *bullshit | 19:30 |
| Smari | I think some of those files have value.. | 19:30 |
| Smari | but what's missing is a directory structure ;) | 19:30 |
| Smari | and a file structure :P | 19:31 |
| kanzure | yeah :/ | 19:31 |
| kanzure | graphtheory.py was my start at a sort of SPICES-like thing for nodal analysis of manufacturing processes | 19:31 |
| kanzure | but also nodal analysis of different parts in the skdb repository | 19:31 |
| kanzure | it's hard to talk about "parts that are in skdb" because that's really talking about a repo that skdb accesses (eventually), not the skdb.git repo :p | 19:31 |
| kanzure | recursive terminology.. | 19:31 |
| kanzure | any way to fix this? | 19:31 |
| samrose | what is the intended structure? | 19:32 |
| samrose | if any? | 19:32 |
| kanzure | samrose: eventually we want to do something like "apt-get install microwave-machine" | 19:32 |
| kanzure | so, there is going to be an "skdb repository" of sorts | 19:32 |
| kanzure | which doesn't contain the skdb code, but instead contains all of these machine tools and so on | 19:33 |
| kanzure | which is the data that skdb plays with | 19:33 |
| samrose | yes, sure | 19:33 |
| kanzure | so I guess that could be data/ or something, | 19:33 |
| kanzure | but screw.yaml is the only example at the moment (ok, there's another in the works, but ..) | 19:33 |
| samrose | yes, it probably would work without any strucutre | 19:33 |
| kanzure | it just needs a better name | 19:33 |
| kanzure | so I guess I could say: | 19:33 |
| kanzure | skdb.git to refer to the git dev repo | 19:33 |
| kanzure | and skdb-repo for "stuff that skdb plays with" | 19:33 |
| samrose | so, the only reason to impose a structure is so that people know where to look for what | 19:34 |
| kanzure | or skdb-data, even better | 19:34 |
| kanzure | sure | 19:34 |
| kanzure | skdb.py will probably be moved into core/ eventually | 19:34 |
| kanzure | or something not insane | 19:34 |
| kanzure | oh, btw | 19:35 |
| kanzure | today I found out where the *real* opencascade documentation is | 19:35 |
| samrose | The code we are working on at http://code.google.com/p/flows-dev/ could work as a way to distrubute all of the pieces of the db across multiple machines | 19:35 |
| kanzure | so I uploaded it: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/ | 19:35 |
| samrose | cool | 19:35 |
| kanzure | samrose: yeah that would be nice. I was originally thinking of some cron jobs and a mirror system. | 19:35 |
| kanzure | I actually think there are some open source mirror infrastructures already written | 19:36 |
| kanzure | but I don't know about hem | 19:36 |
| kanzure | *them | 19:36 |
| samrose | We have very simple wrappers | 19:36 |
| Smari | gah, I forgot how one reverts to the repository status in git | 19:36 |
| kanzure | Smari: git rebase --hard? | 19:36 |
| Smari | accidentally rm'ed a few files | 19:36 |
| kanzure | git revert head~1 ? | 19:36 |
| samrose | you mean revert to an earlier revision? | 19:36 |
| samrose | kanzure has it I think | 19:36 |
| Smari | spm@cauchy:~/www/tangiblebit.com$ git revert master | 19:37 |
| Smari | fatal: Dirty index: cannot revert | 19:37 |
| kanzure | try git rebase --hard | 19:37 |
| Smari | it gives me a usage help thingie | 19:37 |
| samrose | try upstream | 19:38 |
| kanzure | maybe it was 'git reset --hard' but IIRC it really is 'rebase' | 19:38 |
| Smari | reset --hard worked | 19:38 |
| Smari | thx | 19:38 |
| kanzure | never ever do that when you have made changes | 19:39 |
| Smari | nope :) | 19:39 |
| kanzure | so I guess it requires some cleanup at the moment | 19:40 |
| Smari | okay | 19:40 |
| Smari | sources is now updated quite a bit | 19:41 |
| kanzure | hm? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | notes on how to get OpenCASCADE installed and working: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/occ | 19:41 |
| kanzure | notes on how to get pythonOCC installed and working: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pythonocc | 19:42 |
| kanzure | notes on how to get HeeksCAD installed and working: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/heekscad | 19:42 |
| kanzure | (I've also been wrestling with HeeksPython, but there are some development issues with it. All the Heeks people do development on windows for some reason.) | 19:42 |
| Smari | HeeksCAD is fairly good | 19:43 |
| samrose | first time hearing of it | 19:43 |
| kanzure | open source CAD app that uses wxWidgets and OpenCASCADE | 19:44 |
| kanzure | HeeksPython adds a python interpreter to the environment (it's just a plugin) | 19:44 |
| kanzure | it has a much simpler API than pythonOCC, but it's also much more limited | 19:44 |
| kanzure | samrose: so, I'm going on a trip soon up to LA | 19:47 |
| kanzure | things aren't really solid yet, but basically my job might become to make sure that we're killing the most birds with the fewest stones | 19:47 |
| kanzure | when it comes to all of these projects | 19:47 |
| samrose | kanzure, yes it can get crazy when you have many projects going at once | 19:48 |
| kanzure | I've been trying to inform those who don't otherwise know that skdb and related projects are kind of the backend "toolchain" for many of these initiatives | 19:48 |
| samrose | I don't know if I am familiar with all of your ventures, but of course I recall skdb | 19:48 |
| kanzure | so if all goes well, I may have a patron supporting these initiatives and my involvement in (all of) them | 19:48 |
| samrose | awesome | 19:48 |
| samrose | there are people out here in midwest interested in this stuff too | 19:49 |
| kanzure | skdb, pink army, diybio, diytranshumanism, Team FREDNET (F/OSS Google Lunar X Prize team), open source medicine, fablabs, techshops, open source manufacturing, automated design lab work, bioreactor / algae work, | 19:49 |
| samrose | diybio yes | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yeah the diybio people might be understanding things now | 19:49 |
| kanzure | not sure yet, things are kind of turning around | 19:49 |
| samrose | Marcin seems to think that bioreactor is not worth any time | 19:50 |
| kanzure | pink army is the anti-cancer therapeutics personalized medicine open source hardware startup | 19:50 |
| samrose | wow | 19:50 |
| samrose | that's a fuckin crazy start up | 19:50 |
| samrose | hats off to you | 19:50 |
| kanzure | samrose: the project that I have been on isn't going anywhere fast. it's DARPA funded, no genetic engineering allowed, and frankly the filtration device we have designed sucks | 19:50 |
| kanzure | er, the project re: bioreactors | 19:51 |
| samrose | ah yes | 19:51 |
| kanzure | re algae more than bioreactors actually | 19:51 |
| samrose | ok | 19:51 |
| kanzure | basically the entire project is making a bottleneck out of the filter device | 19:51 |
| kanzure | anyway, skdb can also sort of become a startup in the sense that kits could be sold to people who don't want to follow instructions | 19:51 |
| samrose | there is a project going up here in Michigan to create some open source software for automated design | 19:51 |
| kanzure | oh? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | hopefully it's better than the lab fenn and I are working in | 19:52 |
| kanzure | the lab isn't really interested in skdb, although we're slowly changing that | 19:52 |
| kanzure | the lab focuses on "graph grammars" | 19:52 |
| kanzure | but it's more of a computer science thing than engineering thing | 19:52 |
| kanzure | maybe you know some people who are doing some serious automated design? | 19:52 |
| samrose | most of them are from complexity science backgrounds | 19:52 |
| samrose | running genetic algorithms on designs | 19:52 |
| kanzure | yeah that's what the lab does | 19:53 |
| kanzure | except we do more than genetic algorithms | 19:53 |
| samrose | yeah? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | we do a lot of simulated annealing, breadth first searches, depth first searches, topological sort-and-prune | 19:53 |
| kanzure | and some GAs every now and then | 19:53 |
| samrose | hmmm interesting | 19:53 |
| kanzure | and then I spit the output into graphviz :p | 19:53 |
| kanzure | but the output is just nodes connected to other nodes | 19:53 |
| samrose | yours is more informational | 19:53 |
| kanzure | there's a student that I worked with who was doing automated gear train design | 19:53 |
| kanzure | his was using this graph grammar method | 19:54 |
| kanzure | but actually does something | 19:54 |
| kanzure | you give it an input xyz coord and a certain torque, and a requested output torque at another location | 19:54 |
| kanzure | and basically it uses gears and shafts from a McMaster-Carr catalog | 19:54 |
| kanzure | and makes a design that satisfies the requirements to within 5% or something | 19:54 |
| kanzure | the professor and albert had a lot of with it, they made a class of mechanical engineering students do the same design problems as the program | 19:54 |
| kanzure | and found that on average it took the students 12 hours to come up with a 30% efficient solution | 19:55 |
| samrose | yes | 19:55 |
| kanzure | whereas it took about 2 minutes for the design method to do its job | 19:55 |
| samrose | yes, this is similar to results others are talking about | 19:55 |
| samrose | different methods | 19:55 |
| kanzure | right, | 19:55 |
| samrose | but computers compute faster | 19:55 |
| kanzure | graphsynth is this sort of software suite for including different algorithms | 19:55 |
| kanzure | but it's kind of written in .NET and sucks | 19:55 |
| Smari | This is all well and good, but it's two hours past my bedtime and I'm very happy sitting here and debugging xmlrpc stuff | 19:56 |
| kanzure | and the professor isn't really interested in rushing to GPL it | 19:56 |
| samrose | I see http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/graphsynth/ | 19:56 |
| kanzure | samrose: http://www.graphsynth.com/ | 19:56 |
| samrose | later Smari | 19:56 |
| Smari | later? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | yeah. don't be too interested in it. | 19:56 |
| Smari | Nah! | 19:56 |
| samrose | oh, ok | 19:56 |
| samrose | thought you meant you were leaving | 19:56 |
| fenn | gee you sure can get talking when you put your mind to it | 19:56 |
| kanzure | there's not a lot of "engineering" going on in the software really | 19:57 |
| kanzure | one thing that I am writing this week is a part compatibility checking method | 19:57 |
| samrose | will be back tomorrow, thanks for info kanzure. I will fill you in as I learn more | 19:57 |
| kanzure | to see whether or not two parts fit together | 19:57 |
| kanzure | which is kind of important for automated design work (don't know if two things actually fit) | 19:57 |
| kanzure | samrose: are you leaving too? | 19:57 |
| kanzure | so I'm going to be doing some geometrical tests firsts like volume difference and volume interference etc. and then eventually some units/ranges for whether or not there exists some capatibility | 19:58 |
| kanzure | "together, we hate everything" | 20:02 |
| Smari | I have a great tool for you guys as soon as I can remember its name. | 20:04 |
| Smari | http://ubietylab.net/ubigraph/ ! | 20:05 |
| kanzure | oh, for dynamic graphs. nice. | 20:07 |
| Smari | http://ubietylab.net.s3.amazonaws.com/DemoReel.mov | 20:07 |
| fenn | fwiw i recently had the epiphany that "process" is the wrong word to describe things you do in industry to achieve an effect | 20:08 |
| fenn | perhaps "procedure" or "method" is better; too bad those are already computer words | 20:08 |
| fenn | because a process could happen whether we want it to or not | 20:08 |
| fenn | whereas these things we describe have definite parameters and sequences of actions | 20:09 |
| fenn | so like a bolt fatiguing with repeated stress cycles, that's a process | 20:09 |
| fenn | at the basic level recipes all involve a process of some sort, which i've tried to sort of capture with the 'mechanism:' field (poorly) | 20:10 |
| kanzure | and the svg diagrams | 20:10 |
| Smari | using computer terms is fine with me as long as you don't collide the meanings. | 20:11 |
| fenn | yeah the diagrams were mostly because i was bored and didnt know what to do, and sick of boxes + arrows crap | 20:11 |
| fenn | Smari: i'm not really interested in some proprietary graph visualization software | 20:12 |
| Smari | fenn, I agree that it sucks that it's proprietary.. | 20:12 |
| fenn | it would be nice if GTK somehow had a graph widget | 20:12 |
| fenn | like the tree widget but better | 20:13 |
| Smari | fenn, but it's still free as in free beer and it's by far the best graph visualization tool I've ever seen. | 20:13 |
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| fenn | curious math from ping: 91596 packets transmitted, 91470 received, 0% packet loss | 20:13 |
| fenn | must round down | 20:14 |
| kanzure | is there an "acceptable" amount of packet loss that ping intentionally fudges? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | 126 packets per 91596? meh | 20:15 |
| fenn | btw smari "shored out" == "puttered out" | 20:17 |
| fenn | er, "petered out" i mean | 20:17 |
| Smari | fenn, its just rounding down. | 20:17 |
| fenn | damn i thought i knew english "\ | 20:17 |
| Smari | me too | 20:18 |
| Smari | :P | 20:18 |
| fenn | fwiw i think tangiblebit is cooler than skdb | 20:23 |
| fenn | i mean the name | 20:23 |
| fenn | skdb just makes eyes glaze over | 20:23 |
| fenn | i mean we're all trying to make a matter compiler, right? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | separate pieces of the puzzle. | 20:24 |
| Smari | I agree with re name. | 20:25 |
| Smari | 'skdb' doesn't tell me anything... it just makes me want to go do something else. | 20:25 |
| ybit | fenn: what program did you use again to output the svg? | 20:29 |
| ybit | oh, i think you used graphviz | 20:30 |
| ybit | i was thinking of something else though | 20:30 |
| fenn | ybit: taxonomy-graph.py in the skdb directory.. | 20:35 |
| fenn | dot -Tsvg | 20:36 |
| fenn | how the hell did i not run across igraph in my search for graph visualization tools? | 20:36 |
| fenn | also btw i added a bunch of separation processes to taxonomy.yaml | 20:40 |
| * fenn mumbles something about gitweb still not working | 20:40 | |
| ybit | http://ggwiki.org is down? | 20:46 |
| fenn | i didnt do it | 20:46 |
| ybit | GNU Unit, link? | 20:47 |
| fenn | http://www.gnu.org/software/units/ | 20:48 |
| ybit | ah, GNU Unit*s* | 20:48 |
| fenn | i'm still not sure it's the best choice long-term.. but all the symbolic math stuff i've seen is horrible with manipulating units | 20:48 |
| ybit | btw, i don't see any responses if there are any, i'm just typing questions i may have while reading the log | 20:49 |
| ybit | just in case there is anyone actually responding to this | 20:49 |
| ybit | ..atm | 20:49 |
| fenn | well fuck you too | 20:49 |
| fenn | .. atm | 20:49 |
| ybit | the flows project on code.google.com that samrose linked to is highly similar to what metacurrency uses | 20:54 |
| ybit | they are all about 'flows' | 20:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: I won't be going in tomorrow at the regular time. | 20:56 |
| fenn | bleh finally: http://adl.serveftp.org/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob;f=taxonomy.yaml | 20:56 |
| kanzure | where's all the CSS? | 20:57 |
| fenn | picky picky | 20:57 |
| kanzure | I don't like seeing broken CSS | 20:57 |
| kanzure | either do none of it or all of it | 20:57 |
| fenn | you know i had a good .css for gitweb on flaminggaypurpledinosaur | 20:58 |
| fenn | maybe i should just force my gray on gray color scheme on the rest of the world | 20:59 |
| ybit | uh, adl.serveftp.org is giving 403 forbidden :\ | 21:01 |
| fenn | the link i just pasted or something else? | 21:01 |
| fenn | oh | 21:01 |
| fenn | kanzure did you break it? | 21:02 |
| kanzure | didn't touch it | 21:02 |
| genehacker | hehehheheheheh | 21:02 |
| fenn | ah, problem solved: Options +ExecCGI instead of Options ExecCGI | 21:04 |
| ybit | kanzure, you've mentioned pink army i don't how many times and everytime i do a search, i always come across two sites: one with nothing on the homepage www.thepinkarmy.com and some breast cancer fund rasing group. maybe the first is link is what you are referring to? | 21:07 |
| ybit | oh, and give an explanation @ 19:47 after i type that out | 21:08 |
| fenn | ybit: are you reading replies yet or not? | 21:09 |
| Smari | XMLRPC stuff added to Sources. | 21:09 |
| fenn | there ought to be unit tests for websites | 21:10 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: fenn master * r14494f2 / taxonomy.yaml : remove scratch list - http://bit.ly/CJb5o | 21:10 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: fenn master * r23d5f09 / taxonomy.yaml : now it's mixed source data. yummy - http://bit.ly/D1PXy | 21:10 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: fenn master * r28bf021 / tags.yaml : i guess this file is for testing custom tags, so make them custom tags eh - http://bit.ly/LG31h | 21:10 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * rfac8797 / (tags.yaml taxonomy.yaml): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb - http://bit.ly/wHWCE | 21:10 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://pinkarmy.org/ | 21:11 |
| ybit | re: skdb as a startup by kits being sold: kind of like the make magazine's store i would assume, it's really not a bad business model: "look at this cool thing you can make yourself [read:customization/diy you marketers]" "..and you can buy the items needed to make it at our store or just buy several already made for you" | 21:11 |
| kanzure | what I really want to do is cygnus except on roids | 21:12 |
| fenn | yeah man, asteroids with hemirrhoids | 21:13 |
| fenn | gleaming globs of gallium | 21:13 |
| kanzure | steroids | 21:13 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * re049fd2 / (10 files in 2 dirs): added pymates, moved code around - http://bit.ly/SmsHt | 21:14 |
| kanzure | in skdb/pymates/pymates.py I am saying "import geom" | 21:17 |
| kanzure | there's a skdb/pymates/geom/ | 21:17 |
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| fenn | "click on a link; i shouldnt ever see a 404" this shouldnt be so hard right? | 21:21 |
| kanzure | what's wrong now? | 21:21 |
| ybit | yay, through reading replies | 21:23 |
| ybit | fenn: yes i am done | 21:23 |
| ybit | was an interesting read | 21:25 |
| ybit | the log that is | 21:26 |
| ybit | only 30 more apps left to compile from 'emerge emacs vim' | 21:27 |
| ybit | 30 out of 200 | 21:27 |
| ybit | think xorg-x11 was compiled along the way | 21:27 |
| * ybit is going to get some fresh air | 21:28 | |
| ybit | don't think it's healthy to sit through such a long compilation process | 21:28 |
| kanzure | bah! | 21:29 |
| kanzure | you kids and your fresh air | 21:29 |
| ybit | :P | 21:29 |
| kanzure | back in my day we had smoke | 21:29 |
| kanzure | anbd we were lucky if we got it | 21:29 |
| ybit | :D | 21:29 |
| kanzure | not the good kind of second hand smoke, I'm talking the bad kind | 21:29 |
| kanzure | *talking | 21:29 |
| fenn | nothing wrong, just muttering about unit tests for websites that should be easy enough to implement | 21:29 |
| genehacker | they did again | 21:33 |
| kanzure | they deid who? | 21:34 |
| genehacker | they | 21:34 |
| genehacker | err he did | 21:34 |
| genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/ | 21:34 |
| genehacker | finally published it | 21:34 |
| genehacker | wonder if AB matter would be really heavy and impractical | 21:37 |
| genehacker | checked out some of the stuff on his levitator thing | 21:38 |
| genehacker | and it seems like it some of the materials he suggested weren't good enough for it | 21:38 |
| fenn | please shut up about AB matter until you have some idea about how one might possibly go about making it | 21:38 |
| genehacker | it's in the paper | 21:39 |
| fenn | and even then, why "AB matter" | 21:39 |
| fenn | no he just says "you string together protons and neutrons" | 21:39 |
| fenn | fwiw bolonkin didn't invent picotech or femtotech either | 21:41 |
| genehacker | faster AB matter production rates require AB matter | 21:41 |
| kanzure | http://numpy.scipy.org/ | 21:41 |
| fenn | orgone accumulation is proportional to the concentration of orgone | 21:41 |
| genehacker | Some offered technologies for producing: AB-Matter. | 21:42 |
| genehacker | One method of producing AB-Matter may use the | 21:42 |
| genehacker | technology reminiscent of computer chips (Fig. 4). One | 21:42 |
| genehacker | side of closed box 1 is evaporation mask 2. In the other | 21:42 |
| genehacker | size are located the sources of neutrons, charged | 21:42 |
| genehacker | nuclear particles (protons, charged nuclei and their | 21:42 |
| genehacker | connections) and electrons. Sources (guns) of charged | 21:42 |
| genehacker | particles have accelerators of particles and control their | 21:42 |
| genehacker | energy and direction. They concentrate (focus) | 21:42 |
| genehacker | particles, send particles (in beam form) to needed points | 21:42 |
| genehacker | with needed energy for overcoming the Coulomb | 21:42 |
| genehacker | barrier. The needed neutrons are received also from | 21:42 |
| genehacker | nuclear reactions and reflected by the containing walls. | 21:42 |
| genehacker | oops | 21:42 |
| genehacker | just read the paper | 21:42 |
| genehacker | if not just for the lulz | 21:43 |
| genehacker | huh? | 21:45 |
| genehacker | is my room mate smoking? | 21:45 |
| genehacker | ugh | 21:46 |
| kanzure | er. in my __init__() there are potentially many parameters (named). but the class inherits from another class. how can I pass some of the parameters to the parent class's initiator, and then make this initaitor just extend it? | 21:47 |
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| * ybit just traversed roughly 1 mile and is now about to croak over dead. it was nice knowing you all | 21:54 | |
| * ybit needs a krispy kreme donut | 21:54 | |
| fenn | kanzure: parent.__init__() | 21:55 |
| kanzure | parent is special? | 21:55 |
| fenn | no | 21:55 |
| kanzure | is parent like self just not the self? | 21:55 |
| fenn | i think there's some keyword __super__ but i'm not sure what it does | 21:55 |
| kanzure | okay. I'm familiar with the super. | 21:56 |
| fenn | or maybe it's super(foo) | 21:56 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * r7cc204e / (pymates/geom.py pymates/primitives.py pymates/pymates.py): primitive primitives and geometries for part mating - http://bit.ly/3F5bmW | 21:58 |
| fenn | since you're specifying the parent classes in the class definition i think actually using the parent class name is not a bad thing | 21:59 |
| fenn | if you inherit from two classes, which one is the super? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | so if I inherit from foo.bar, then I could say foo.bar(stuff) in place of super(stuff)? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | that doesn't seem to work | 22:01 |
| fenn | sure why not | 22:02 |
| fenn | foo.bar.__init__(stuff) | 22:02 |
| fenn | foo.bar(stuff) would make a foo.bar instance | 22:03 |
| kanzure | and all of the attributes will apply to the current object that has that super/parent? | 22:03 |
| fenn | uh, i'm not sure classes can have .'s in them though | 22:03 |
| fenn | guess they can | 22:04 |
| kanzure | okay it works | 22:04 |
| kanzure | it's actually foo.bar.__init__(self,stuff) | 22:04 |
| fenn | init is not a constructor, it's an initializer | 22:04 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:04 |
| kanzure | there's a difference apparently | 22:04 |
| * fenn shrugs | 22:04 | |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * r3b4861b / pymates/geom.py : fixed geom.py - http://bit.ly/PFYXo | 22:05 |
| kanzure | blah | 22:06 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * rfee191a / pymates/geom.py : ok, really fixed it this time - http://bit.ly/DLynP | 22:06 |
| kanzure | better | 22:06 |
| CIA-73 | skdb: kanzure master * rda5d23a / pymates/tests.py : basic test framework for pymates - http://bit.ly/was6k | 22:17 |
| Smari | http://www-vrl.umich.edu/sel_prj/lathe/index.html | 22:41 |
| ybit | harry potter brought in $62 million in one night | 22:42 |
| ybit | [OT] | 22:42 |
| genehacker | smari, I used a lathe today | 22:45 |
| ybit | -_- | 22:45 |
| genehacker | ybit, seed MOAR | 22:45 |
| ybit | sorry, just jealous | 22:45 |
| genehacker | of harry potter? | 22:45 |
| genehacker | if so then LOL PIRACY | 22:46 |
| ybit | no no, that you were able to use an interesting tool that i'd like to own | 22:46 |
| ybit | well, it's not highly interesting, but i still want it | 22:46 |
| ybit | i had something to do with harry potter this year | 22:47 |
| ybit | i wanted to do something stupid fun for a charity, so i put together a charity event | 22:47 |
| ybit | let's see... | 22:48 |
| ybit | google: heath matlock florala harry potter | 22:48 |
| ybit | first article shows the event | 22:48 |
| ybit | mentions me 'heath matlock' | 22:48 |
| ybit | next stupid fun thing to do: 'laser graffati' on buildings downtown during some local misc. event | 22:50 |
| ybit | would link to the article but i don't know how to copy/paste from screen in a tty | 22:50 |
| kanzure | screen was made for that :p | 23:12 |
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| ybit | well, that's simple enough | 23:43 |
| ybit | never really looked into it | 23:43 |
| ybit | just not sure how to copy/paste from within links | 23:43 |
| ybit | splitting windows and monitoring windows is useful | 23:43 |
| kanzure | what I don't like about OOP is that no matter how many classes I write, it doesn't feel like progress at all | 23:50 |
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| genehacker | kanzure, got a question | 23:53 |
| genehacker | does that CD protein purification thing purify a solution of multiple proteins or just one protein from solution? | 23:54 |
| genehacker | flow control can be quite a problem in microfluidics | 23:54 |
| genehacker | saw a google ad about this company marketing a $$$$PROPRIETARY$$$$ control system for microfluidics | 23:55 |
| genehacker | apparently you get some inaccuracy from the PDMS or flexible connector tubing deforming | 23:55 |
| genehacker | though if we do those stryene style microfluidics this shouldn't be problem | 23:56 |
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