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| kanzure | Maillard reaction | 06:49 |
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| kanzure | Advanced Glycation Endproducts | 06:49 |
| kanzure | "In a very real sense we are constantly cooking ever so slowly for our entire lives, but because our temperature is so low it takes a century or so just to reach “rare”. " | 06:50 |
| kanzure | "Dr. Denis Wilson pioneered the concept of resetting daytime body temperature. Dr. Wilson offered a decapitated body model of temperature resetting based on reverse T3 (a thyroid hormone) diversion. While his methods were sometimes successful, he nonetheless had his medical license suspended in 1991 due to flaws in his model." | 07:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencemag.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/cgi/content/abstract/sci;281/5378/825 | 07:25 |
| kanzure | "Circadian rhythms control many physiological activities. The environmental entrainment of rhythms involves the immediate responses of clock components. Levels of the clock protein FRQ were measured in Neurospora at various temperatures; at higher temperatures, the amount of FRQ oscillated around higher levels. Absolute FRQ amounts thus identified different times at different temperatures, so temperature shifts corresponded to shifts in clock time without immediate synthesis or turnover of components. Moderate temperature changes could dominate light-to-dark shifts in the influence of circadian timing. Temperature regulation of clock components could explain temperature resetting of rhythms and how single transitions can initiate rhythmicity from characteristic circadian phases. " | 07:25 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r2f194a2a501b /occ_shell.py: fix occ_shell inline documentation | 09:19 |
| CIA-43 | Tangiblebit: spm * r8ca1a34ad029 /tangiblebit.com/clients/XMLRPCAuth.py: Added XMLRPC authenticated client based on Troy Melhase's code. | 09:20 |
| CIA-43 | Tangiblebit: spm * r3e910059c93e /tangiblebit.com/unittests/ (siteparser.py sitetest.xml): Adding some (broken) tests. | 09:20 |
| ybit | where is the tangiblebit code | 09:23 |
| ybit | ^Smari | 09:23 |
| kanzure | Smari: check out skdb/tests.py for usage of the 'unittest' module in python. | 09:23 |
| Smari | kanzure, I know how to use it. I'm just not actually making "unit tests" as such right now, but rather just testing things that will later belong in various units. | 09:24 |
| kanzure | okay | 09:24 |
| Smari | kanzure, for some reason this naming made sense to me anyway. | 09:24 |
| Smari | ybit, http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git | 09:24 |
| Smari | ybit, if you want commit rights, say so. | 09:25 |
| kanzure | bit.git is nice :p | 09:25 |
| kanzure | Smari: have you checked out pyscholar yet? | 09:26 |
| Smari | no. | 09:27 |
| kanzure | it's a python wrapper to Google Scholar that likes to pretend that it is zotero | 09:27 |
| ybit | ~/projects $ git clone http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git | 09:27 |
| ybit | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/heath/projects/tangiblebit/.git/ | 09:27 |
| ybit | fatal: http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 09:27 |
| kanzure | git clone git://github.com/kanzure/pyscholar.git | 09:27 |
| Smari | fail | 09:27 |
| kanzure | or on the web: http://github.com/kanzure/pyscholar/tree/master | 09:27 |
| Smari | I'm having trouble with wireless on my new EeePC.. not getting any real work done until that's fixed. | 09:28 |
| Smari | what is pyscholar? | 09:28 |
| kanzure | it's a python wrapper to Google Scholar that likes to pretend that it is zotero | 09:29 |
| Smari | Urgh, there's one key missing from the Eee keyboard... the one that makes <, > and | on the Icelandic keymap. | 09:29 |
| Smari | kanzure, zotero? | 09:29 |
| kanzure | zotero is this firefox extension that automagically scrapes metadata from scientific journals (as well as the PDF for a paper) | 09:29 |
| kanzure | but it's stupid because it's built into fucking firefox | 09:30 |
| Smari | ah | 09:30 |
| Smari | sounds cool. | 09:30 |
| Smari | Sounds very cool actually | 09:30 |
| Smari | shall check immediately. | 09:30 |
| kanzure | :) | 09:30 |
| kanzure | it's only partially working at the moment- google scholar queries work, but none of the scrapers are fully functional | 09:30 |
| kanzure | there's a partial sciencedirect scraper in the works. | 09:31 |
| kanzure | everytihng in results/ is the output of the engine | 09:31 |
| Smari | haha. apt-get install git-core. :P | 09:31 |
| Smari | I love new computers | 09:31 |
| kanzure | everything in tests/ are HTML documents that serve as examples for parsing (so that I don't query the real sites every 10 seconds trying out my fixes) | 09:31 |
| Smari | mhm | 09:32 |
| Smari | How would I map the <>| key to the windows key? | 09:32 |
| Smari | (they're almost in the same location... :)) | 09:32 |
| ybit | Smari: kde or gnome? | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | djangit: Meredith L. Patterson master * r77d1d6e / templates/view.html : view.html not prettyprinted but much better now - http://bit.ly/UcT4t | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | djangit: kanzure master * r4bc96ba / docs/TODO : notes on what I should be doing - http://bit.ly/zZouI | 09:42 |
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| Smari | pyscholar looks promising. Have you looked into using Beautiful Soup as a scraper? | 09:47 |
| Smari | http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ iirc. | 09:47 |
| Smari | food! bbl. | 09:47 |
| ybit | Smari: if you get time... | 09:47 |
| ybit | 09:24 < ybit> fatal: http://www.tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 09:47 |
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| drazak | hmm | 10:57 |
| drazak | I wonder if it'd be fun to maintain roundworms | 10:57 |
| Smari | ybit, gnome. | 11:05 |
| Smari | ybit, sorry, was out for food. | 11:05 |
| Smari | kanzure, Beautiful Soup is made of win. | 11:14 |
| kanzure | Smari: xpaths are also made of win. | 11:16 |
| kanzure | I can nearly copy and paste from zotero's definition files into pyscholar | 11:16 |
| kanzure | since they both use xpaths :) | 11:16 |
| kanzure | not only that, but javascript is sufficiently similar to python to not induce many headaches | 11:17 |
| kanzure | now I just need to figure out a proper class structure for all of this. | 11:17 |
| kanzure | there was once an app called "xgoogle" that had a class called GoogleScholarSearch which managed all the nitty-gritty | 11:18 |
| kanzure | but am I going to have a class for each different website? | 11:18 |
| kanzure | does that even make sense? | 11:18 |
| kanzure | I guess each class could inherit from a basic scraper definition | 11:18 |
| kanzure | and then each child class would then just rewrite individual methods where needed (?) | 11:19 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * rf9f6ae7 / (10 files in 2 dirs): added xgoogle archive - http://bit.ly/74wAs | 11:22 |
| kanzure | Hey. I'm trying to remember an interesting project I once found. It was this python web scraping library (not beautifulsoup) that had templates for typical scrapes that everyone has to do sooner or later. I don't remember the name of the package. Any ideas? | 11:24 |
| Smari | kanzure, ah, neat. | 11:26 |
| kanzure | Smari: last night I asked around for some ideas on what shell utilities would be nice for getting papers | 11:27 |
| kanzure | "get" and "search" are some obvious shell utilities that would be nice to have, | 11:27 |
| kanzure | but I'm fuzzy on what the specifics should be | 11:27 |
| Smari | kanzure, searching by category, classification scheme, author, keyword,... | 11:29 |
| Smari | It would be good to be able to retrieve a list of all recent papers in a particular MSC category for example... | 11:33 |
| kanzure | MSC? | 11:34 |
| kanzure | mesh? | 11:35 |
| kanzure | NCBI/NIH maintains this thingy called MeSH where they classify everything on pubmed and pubmedcentral into this giant hierarchy, is that what MSC is? | 11:35 |
| Smari | Mathematical Subject Classification. | 11:36 |
| kanzure | er, where does one find that? I know arxiv has a few math sections, is that what you're talking about? | 11:36 |
| Smari | arxiv has its own classification scheme | 11:36 |
| Smari | MSC is documented on the AMS website.. | 11:37 |
| Smari | American Mathematical Society. | 11:37 |
| kanzure | http://stringwiki.org/ - for students learning string theory | 11:38 |
| kanzure | ok thanks | 11:38 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r9cd089a / doc/TODO : for later reference - http://bit.ly/Z8HeO | 11:38 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r8713c9c / (arxiv/arxiv.mediawiki arxiv/arxiv.py arxiv/url.txt): arxiv script - http://bit.ly/18G7jn | 11:38 |
| kanzure | python web scraping utilities: | 11:54 |
| kanzure | http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub | 11:54 |
| kanzure | http://scrapy.org/ | 11:55 |
| kanzure | both of these are "frameworks". not sure how they make themselves useful, however. | 11:55 |
| kanzure | (DataHub was that "interesting project" I was trying to find) | 11:57 |
| kanzure | this is an odd list: http://www.python.org/about/success/ | 12:01 |
| kanzure | why is "scientific programing" spelled with one "m"? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.python.org/about/success/#manufacturing "# At Philips, The Semiconductor Line in Fishkill Runs on Python" | 12:02 |
| kanzure | "The business logic that drives these components was written in Python, ninety percent of which is common to all of the tools." | 12:03 |
| kanzure | searching for "Tribon Vitesse" gets some weird chinese results on google | 12:05 |
| kanzure | apparently it's a ship-design optimization app | 12:06 |
| kanzure | IBM/Philips Fishkill plant implemented their tool control in python | 12:07 |
| kanzure | heh I guess that's a reason to want to work there.. something might be going right on their floors | 12:07 |
| fenn | are there any search engines that won't mangle and substitute your phrase query? | 12:12 |
| kanzure | you mean an actual search engine? | 12:12 |
| fenn | i used to use altavista for this but apparently they've gone over to the dark side | 12:13 |
| fenn | "The Blind Audio Tactile Mapping System uses Python to provide access to maps for the blind" | 12:14 |
| kanzure | sounds like they finally got a roguelike | 12:14 |
| fenn | it's a touchpad with speech synthesis | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | uh oh | 12:18 |
| kanzure | what did I do? | 12:18 |
| fenn | "Professor Bishop and graduate student Peter Parente enabled use of the OpenAL library for spatial sound and the Immersion library for haptic feedback from Python." | 12:22 |
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| kanzure | I've been meaning to hook up OpenAL to an ANN for facial recognition of pretty women | 12:26 |
| fenn | er.. why? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | because I fail at facial recognition | 12:26 |
| fenn | but if you can't tell, why does it matter? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | because there are some properties in facial features that may correlate with other features | 12:27 |
| fenn | like, whether they're being hounded after by other guys? | 12:27 |
| kanzure | yes that's one possible "feature" | 12:27 |
| fenn | seriously, what "other features" | 12:27 |
| fenn | purity of soul? vital essence? | 12:28 |
| kanzure | well I was thinking more along the lines of phenotypes | 12:28 |
| kanzure | er, you know what, nevermind | 12:28 |
| fenn | it turns out that beauty is more or less close to average facial features | 12:28 |
| kanzure | I don't actually care about the face | 12:29 |
| kanzure | it's just that the face happens to be what you see most often | 12:29 |
| * kanzure is trying to figure out ipython profiles | 12:29 | |
| kanzure | http://onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2005/01/27/ipython.html?page=2 | 12:31 |
| kanzure | '%hist' and '%edit' are nice | 12:31 |
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| fenn | carbothermal processing only gets a few hits from nasa about moon mining | 12:54 |
| fenn | pyscholar to the rescue | 12:55 |
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| kanzure | hello nchaimov | 12:57 |
| nchaimov | Hello | 12:57 |
| kanzure | fenn: have you considered starting to log temperature? | 12:57 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: be careful, we're all crazy mad scientists in here | 12:58 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: maybe you could mention your cell lineage tracking project? | 12:58 |
| nchaimov | Ah, don't worry, I've been immunized against mad scientist disease. | 12:59 |
| kanzure | does that come standard in public education? | 12:59 |
| nchaimov | Yes... measles, mumps, mad science... all required shots. | 12:59 |
| kanzure | maybe there's a mad science injection we could concoct | 13:00 |
| kanzure | it would consist of amphetamines, glutamates, and whatever envirotoxin that causes an addiction to chocolate | 13:00 |
| nchaimov | I believe that is called "chocolate" | 13:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: here's the other fellow from yesterday- http://www.google.com/profiles/neondemon | 13:02 |
| fenn | oh, the most awesome person in the world. now i remember | 13:03 |
| kanzure | huh? the other guy was 'cody' | 13:04 |
| fenn | kanzure: ambient temp or core body temp? | 13:04 |
| kanzure | core body | 13:04 |
| kanzure | did you see the messages from earlier today about that? | 13:04 |
| fenn | i dont think core temperature has as much an affect as you think | 13:05 |
| nchaimov | So... the cell lineage tracking project... we have time-series confocal slices of zebrafish during development, with certain populations of cells being fluorescently labeled. We want to be able to identify cells and track them over time, automatically generating a lineage. Currently we're trying to improve on this algorithm: (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14566936 "A hybrid 3D watershed algorithm incorporating gradient cues | 13:05 |
| fenn | on circadian rhythms at least | 13:05 |
| kanzure | a guy named 'steve' on the singularity mailing list has been running around claiming that core body temp plays a central role in aging and disease | 13:05 |
| fenn | probably | 13:05 |
| kanzure | no, not on circadian rhythms- that was just something from google scholar | 13:05 |
| fenn | oh, uh, then what are you talking about? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | before the circadian rhythms message :p | 13:05 |
| fenn | a large part of the reason for the whole log thing is to track my sleep schedule | 13:06 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: I don't understand. Are you tracking by color? | 13:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes, but you and I both were wondering when or where it is optimal to do programming | 13:06 |
| kanzure | or why it is that sometimes stuff happens and other times not | 13:06 |
| kanzure | re: mental inertia | 13:06 |
| kanzure | maybe it is core temperature related? | 13:06 |
| nchaimov | If we could get the cells to be different colors, it would be much easier! Currently the cytoplasm of all the cells of interest is labeled green and the nuclei of all cells, whether we want to track them or not, are labeled red. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: Have you considered using the techniques from brainbow? Recombinant fluorescent proteins? | 13:07 |
| fenn | kanzure: it's hard to measure code productivity anyway, so what would you plot against? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | long technical explanation: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/brainbow_strategies.png | 13:08 |
| kanzure | various pretty images: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/brainbow/ | 13:08 |
| kanzure | for instance: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/brainbow/Brainbow_brain_stem.jpg | 13:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: whether or not you feel "in the zone"? | 13:08 |
| fenn | so, subjective measurement | 13:09 |
| fenn | or whatever the correct way to say that is | 13:09 |
| kanzure | yeah that's also what a set point is | 13:09 |
| kanzure | er, woops not really | 13:09 |
| fenn | set point? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | so, I may be at 97.3, but I might think that is "cold" | 13:09 |
| kanzure | while you at 97.2 might be too warm | 13:09 |
| nchaimov | There are some people looking into that type of approach. We don't know how to do that in the cells we're tracking though. | 13:10 |
| fenn | "in the zone" might be a combination of 50 different factors | 13:10 |
| kanzure | there's some ~3.4 fahrenheit variation that gives a lot of variability | 13:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's true- that's worth tracking, however. I think temperature might be an interesting starting point. | 13:10 |
| kanzure | because it's easy to change body temp drastically. | 13:10 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: That recombinant fluorescent protein technique requires some genetic engineering. So, it might not be an option. | 13:10 |
| fenn | are there any ways to mesure core temp without walking around with something stuck up my ass all day? | 13:11 |
| kanzure | you mean, besides what's already up there? | 13:11 |
| fenn | harsh. | 13:11 |
| kanzure | (or something also equally insulting) | 13:11 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with taking temperature via the mouth periodically? | 13:11 |
| kanzure | besides the fact that you have to remember to do it | 13:12 |
| fenn | mouth temp changes a lot | 13:12 |
| kanzure | armpit temp is useless, I've heard | 13:12 |
| fenn | ear? | 13:12 |
| kanzure | how about skin temperature? that could just be some flat sensors, right? | 13:12 |
| kanzure | but it's not as detailed and doesn't tell you core temperature | 13:13 |
| fenn | skin temp is useless | 13:13 |
| kanzure | surely there's something other than asstemp | 13:13 |
| kanzure | nchaimov: So why are they fluorescently labeled? Why not just visually track them? | 13:14 |
| nchaimov | Do you know if anyone has done something similar to Brainbow, but for cell types other than neurons? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | not off the top of my head. but that does make me wonder why they would do neurons first, of all things. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | besides it being awesome :) | 13:17 |
| nchaimov | kanzure: Um... they would be too hard to distinguish from other types of cells otherwise | 13:17 |
| kanzure | light-activated oligonucleotides and light-activated ribozymes are neat, but probably not what you need | 13:17 |
| nchaimov | The lab we're developing the software for is working on the development of cartilage. | 13:18 |
| fenn | "Ear thermometers measure eardrum temperature using infrared sensors. The blood supply to the tympanic membrane is shared with the brain." | 13:19 |
| kanzure | is that a vein or an artery? | 13:19 |
| kanzure | er, the blood supply to the tympanic membrane I mean, is that from the jugular directly, or is it on the way back from the brain? | 13:19 |
| fenn | "In the early 2000s, ingestible thermistors in capsule form were produced, allowing the temperature inside the digestive tract to be transmitted to an external receiver;" | 13:20 |
| fenn | i wonder if that's a "medical device" | 13:20 |
| kanzure | yeah sounds like the jpeg-cam-capsule-pills | 13:20 |
| kanzure | except simpler | 13:21 |
| fenn | it's practically DIY though | 13:21 |
| fenn | RLC resonant circuit | 13:21 |
| kanzure | where are you going to get a sensor and transmitter that small? | 13:21 |
| kanzure | and how would you encapsulate it? (I'm still trying to figure this out for general pharmaceuticals) | 13:21 |
| fenn | epoxy | 13:21 |
| fenn | you want pharmaceuticals to dissolve | 13:22 |
| fenn | it would probably have an antenna "tail" | 13:22 |
| fenn | or maybe just a coil would suffice | 13:23 |
| fenn | i found this amusing: http://picasaweb.google.com/neondemon/DropBox#5334692065987508866 | 13:26 |
| kanzure | yeah that's the business card he gave me | 13:28 |
| kanzure | mike mentioned that he would like to package the neural tissue scanner into skdb | 13:28 |
| kanzure | however, he doesn't know about the licensing of the hardware designs at the moment | 13:28 |
| kanzure | he doesn't even know if it's a university-only project, or if todd has the reigns on it or what | 13:28 |
| * kanzure just sent an email off to todd asking about that | 13:28 | |
| kanzure | fenn: what should I be doing with pymates today? | 13:31 |
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| kanzure | " | 14:01 |
| kanzure | "Using a combination of heat and carbon to run redox reactions, like ore smelting. | 14:01 |
| kanzure | i'm designing a utility battery with this technology, we can talk of it sometime." | 14:01 |
| kanzure | "this nothing more than a low frequency RF generator | 14:01 |
| kanzure | i'm using this design i found in maker magazine, http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/diy_induction_heating.html " | 14:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: any ideas on how I should be structuring pyscholar? | 14:03 |
| kanzure | for instance, in pyscholar/sciencedirect-notes.py, there is some code that parses sciencedirect search result pages | 14:03 |
| kanzure | but it's just code thrown into a file.. should it go into a class method somewhere? if so, where? | 14:03 |
| kanzure | http://wiki.github.com/brendonh/pyth | 14:11 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 14:14 |
| ybit | http://bayimg.com/DAcnNaaCN :: ah much better | 14:17 |
| kanzure | is this useful? http://tobyho.com/Prototype_Inheritence_in_Python | 14:17 |
| ybit | er, http://bayimg.com/image/dacnnaacn.jpg | 14:18 |
| fenn | "In Python, you can add methods dynamically, but normally you'd have to add it into the class." wtf is that supposed to mean | 14:18 |
| fenn | Foo.bar = lambda whatever | 14:19 |
| kanzure | doesn't that give an attribute error? | 14:19 |
| kanzure | oh, nevermind | 14:20 |
| kanzure | it doesn't. | 14:20 |
| kanzure | hm | 14:20 |
| kanzure | blah = Foo() | 14:20 |
| kanzure | #def say_it(): print "..." | 14:20 |
| kanzure | blah.say_it = Foo() | 14:20 |
| fenn | you have to remember to have a "self" argument | 14:20 |
| kanzure | oh you should do Foo.say_it = say_it | 14:20 |
| fenn | one moment | 14:20 |
| kanzure | never! | 14:21 |
| kanzure | so yeah, what is this guy thinking? | 14:21 |
| kanzure | def blah() #define it | 14:22 |
| kanzure | some_object.blah = blah | 14:22 |
| fenn | def bar(self, x): | 14:22 |
| fenn | Foo.bar = bar | 14:22 |
| fenn | Foo().bar(1) | 14:22 |
| kanzure | "there are cases where you don't want to add it to the class" (says the page) | 14:23 |
| kanzure | what does that even mean? | 14:23 |
| fenn | add it to the instance? | 14:23 |
| kanzure | that you were too lazy to make a class that inherits it? | 14:23 |
| fenn | Foo().bar = bar | 14:23 |
| kanzure | yeah | 14:23 |
| kanzure | what's the big deal? isn't that obvious? | 14:23 |
| kanzure | is this for python 1.x? :p | 14:23 |
| fenn | i think this guy just doesnt know python very well | 14:24 |
| kanzure | heh "import this" | 14:27 |
| fenn | "Prototype-based programming is a style of object-oriented programming in which classes are not present, and behavior reuse (known as inheritance in class-based languages) is performed via a process of cloning existing objects that serve as prototypes" | 14:27 |
| fenn | sounds like teh suck | 14:27 |
| kanzure | did you mean this? f =lambda x: x**2 + 5 | 14:29 |
| fenn | ya | 14:29 |
| fenn | i keep thinking it's lambda(x): | 14:30 |
| fenn | well that was a waste of 15 minutes | 14:33 |
| kanzure | sciencedirect-notes.py | 14:37 |
| kanzure | packages/classes.py | 14:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/bibliographies/ | 14:54 |
| kanzure | try imagemagic for concatenating pdf to pdf | 14:56 |
| fenn | gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=finished.pdf file1.pdf file2.pdf | 15:01 |
| fenn | with enough futzing around, "lpr -Ppdf somefile" should work, supposedly | 15:15 |
| fenn | this looks like the easy way out, but why isn't it in debian already? | 15:16 |
| fenn | http://www.eprg.org/pdfcorner/text2pdf/ | 15:16 |
| kanzure | it's still funny when I get emails from my grandmother about the singularity. "SCIENTISTS WORRY ABOUT AI KILLING US ALL" | 15:27 |
| fenn | this is pretty cool | 15:41 |
| fenn | http://www.labcyte.com/Acoustic_Droplet_Ejection_ADE/Default.270.html | 15:41 |
| kanzure | wah. I was talking about this months ago, but now that it's in the news, everyone's going all bonkers | 15:42 |
| fenn | in the news? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | yeah the acoustic cavity for microfluidics, for instance | 15:43 |
| fenn | i guess there was some article that didnt cite its sources | 15:43 |
| kanzure | also acoustic droplet stuff | 15:43 |
| kanzure | anywho, I don't understand those photographs on the page | 15:43 |
| kanzure | why show the droplet going up in the air? | 15:43 |
| fenn | watch the movie | 15:43 |
| kanzure | it will just fall, which is useless | 15:43 |
| fenn | because that's what it does | 15:43 |
| fenn | no it sticks to something | 15:43 |
| kanzure | upwards? | 15:43 |
| fenn | yup | 15:43 |
| fenn | "Droplets can be transferred with very precise positioning onto a surface suspended above the ejection reservoir." | 15:44 |
| kanzure | xy addressable location for droplet to emerge from the reservoire? | 15:44 |
| fenn | i dont know how it actually works | 15:45 |
| fenn | with a phased array of transducers you could theoretically make the droplet come out at any position and angle | 15:45 |
| bkero | http://thereifixedit.com/2009/07/04/epic-kludge-photo-no-electricity-no-problem/ | 15:47 |
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| kanzure | http://jaynes.colorado.edu/PythonGuidelines.html#unit_tests | 15:57 |
| kanzure | hm write unit tests before you prototype? I've been doing it wrong | 15:57 |
| kanzure | the example at the end is a nice treat. didn't know that you could define methods within methods for unit tests and get reusable namespace variables. | 15:59 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * re7cd1d694558 /packages/screw/screw.py: added some python module data to the screw package class | 16:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you add some docstrings to max_force and breaking_force in skdb/packages/screw/screw.py ? | 16:06 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rfe7a306fad3d /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: first go at metadata for methods | 16:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r8aca77b8f582 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: typo fix | 16:15 |
| kanzure | oops :( | 16:15 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * re7f8b61f9ec4 /packages/screw/tests.py: unit tests for screw package | 16:22 |
| kanzure | I have no clue whether or not line 22 to line 30 is worthwhile in skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml | 16:23 |
| kanzure | it's supposed to be some way to describe the methods that an object has. some methods might describe a failure mode, others might do something else entirely. | 16:24 |
| kanzure | although max_force isn't necessarily a failure mode | 16:24 |
| kanzure | other packages would call something like "skdb.packages.screw.Screw()" and then look at the documentation and call my_screw.breaking_force(), but for some reason I once-upon-a-time expected to have to do more than just that | 16:25 |
| kanzure | like if you had an assembly object (skdb.pymates.Assembly at the moment), you should be able to check the methods for each of your parts in the system (a screw is a part, yes) | 16:26 |
| kanzure | so having a skdb.pymates.Assembly.detect_failure_modes() would prove useful | 16:27 |
| kanzure | (of course, Assemblys hould not stay under skdb.pymates forever IMHO) | 16:27 |
| kanzure | oh that's right, we were going to have this subgraph thingy where the interfaces of the screw corresponded to the loose ends/edges in the subgraph thingy describing the part | 16:36 |
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| kanzure | hey timschmidt | 17:45 |
| timschmidt | hey | 17:45 |
| QuantumG | I went to Australia Zoo yesterday | 17:48 |
| timschmidt | I organized and attended the first Michigan RepRap Users Group meeting. | 17:48 |
| QuantumG | it would seem they advocate a global static ecosystem | 17:48 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: yeah I saw the posts about that | 17:49 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: you guys kick more ass than a lot of other groups, keep it up | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | I actually asked one of the nuts there if they were against extinction in general or only human caused extinction.. | 17:49 |
| kanzure | you guys have a lot of programmers/techies? | 17:49 |
| timschmidt | It was rock-tastic. | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | he said they were against extinction in general. | 17:50 |
| timschmidt | Yeah, most ass-kickers in attendance had programming experience or we pros. | 17:50 |
| timschmidt | or were | 17:50 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: why is there no main reprap mailing list? | 17:50 |
| timschmidt | There supposedly is one, but IDK if it's public? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | wtf is that bullshit | 17:51 |
| * kanzure has had a long history of being angry at reprap | 17:51 | |
| timschmidt | indeed | 17:51 |
| timschmidt | We had 5 repraps in attendance, 4 for the whole night. About 10 people stayed the whole night, about 15 throughout the day. | 17:52 |
| timschmidt | We got all 4 machines nearly complete. | 17:52 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: do you read openmanufacturing? | 17:52 |
| timschmidt | no | 17:52 |
| kanzure | I've been forwarding reprap-michigan's emails over to them. | 17:53 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/om.html check the first link for instance | 17:53 |
| timschmidt | awesome | 17:53 |
| timschmidt | sweet | 17:56 |
| timschmidt | excitingly, my wrench-buildable machine got two fully working axes, including motor mounts, lead screws, everything last night. Still only a wrench and a hacksaw were used. | 17:56 |
| CIA-43 | Tangiblebit: smari * rad97f5f8ad14 /tangiblebit.com/clients/tb-get/ (tb-get.py tbdefaults.conf): Added a skeleton of a "tb-get" program that I hacked together on the ferry just now... :P | 18:09 |
| kanzure | bah | 18:10 |
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| Smari | kanzure, muhahaha | 18:10 |
| kanzure | Smari: btw, for future reference for fb-get, | 18:11 |
| kanzure | could you act like you have a fancy wrapper to a dependency resolution engine? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | it's a drop in module that I'm (supposed to be) writing | 18:11 |
| Smari | kanzure, can you expose the interface to me? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | no! there isn't one :( | 18:11 |
| Smari | kanzure, but sure, I just haven't reached a point where I'd need to act like that yet. :) | 18:11 |
| kanzure | Smari: but.. check out the latest update to skdb.git | 18:12 |
| kanzure | see skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml | 18:12 |
| Smari | kanzure, seriously, we really must must must must merge our projects. | 18:12 |
| kanzure | at the bottom there is an example of a dependency hierarchy of sorts | 18:12 |
| kanzure | that would be something that you should look into ;-) | 18:12 |
| Smari | kanzure, duplication of effort is pointless.. | 18:12 |
| kanzure | yeah I agree | 18:12 |
| kanzure | is it really just a name change that we have to do, or what | 18:12 |
| kanzure | Smari: I wrote a script called git-import-folder that properly merges all history from another git repo | 18:13 |
| kanzure | maybe that would be useful? | 18:13 |
| Smari | kanzure, it's also a merge of the design.. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/git-import-folder (I think) | 18:13 |
| kanzure | that's true | 18:13 |
| kanzure | hm, where's fenn when you need him | 18:13 |
| kanzure | he's off welding at the austin fabratory for some reason | 18:13 |
| Smari | make sure that we're on the same level with how we make clients and servers and protocols and so on. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | protocols? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | for transferring of packages, I think HTTP is fine | 18:14 |
| kanzure | which is how debian does it | 18:14 |
| kanzure | however, debtorrent and debp2p looks interesting | 18:14 |
| kanzure | so having a wrapper that enables that in the future would be ok with me | 18:14 |
| Smari | I wrote a small document earlier which was supposed to be a technical brief when I started writing it but by the time I finished it was a philosophical manifesto. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | happens to me all the time :( | 18:15 |
| Smari | What I've written so far assumes HTTP and XMLRPC :) | 18:15 |
| kanzure | I still need you to convince me of XMLRPC. | 18:15 |
| Smari | kanzure, btw, I'm going to be at a conference in India two weeks from now with 300 fab lab people, and if I have something to show them we might gain some developers and possibly a user base too. | 18:16 |
| kanzure | you should definitely show them pymates :) (the subsection of skdb for part mating) | 18:16 |
| Smari | kanzure, XML per se isn't so great, but the XMLRPC modules available in a lot of languages, including Python, provide transparent interfaces that are very very very nice and easy to use. | 18:16 |
| kanzure | how is that different from YAML? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | for instance, there are some examples here: | 18:17 |
| kanzure | http://pyyaml.org/wiki/PyYAMLDocumentation | 18:17 |
| Smari | kanzure, perhaps we ought to make a presentation together... like, just a simple OO Impress thing with some spiffy pictures that explain what we're doing and why. | 18:17 |
| kanzure | um wait don't click that :( | 18:17 |
| Smari | kanzure, XMLRPC is an RPC system, whereas YAML isn't. | 18:17 |
| kanzure | ok, that's the right link | 18:18 |
| kanzure | RPC? | 18:18 |
| Smari | I'm not talking data storage here, I'm talking about client-server interaction. | 18:18 |
| Smari | Remote Procedure Call. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | Smari: sure, fenn and I need to do that anyway | 18:18 |
| kanzure | I've been thinking that "wget" should be sufficient. but maybe there are some other ideas I am missing out on? | 18:18 |
| Smari | wget is fine if you just want to download simple files.. | 18:19 |
| kanzure | these are simple files :) | 18:19 |
| kanzure | that's the whole point | 18:19 |
| Smari | xmlrpc is really neat in that you are returned spiffy data structures | 18:19 |
| kanzure | simple but deadly | 18:19 |
| kanzure | but how is that different from yaml? | 18:19 |
| Smari | *sigh*. | 18:19 |
| Smari | I just had a conversation with a friend about this... hehe. | 18:19 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to understand.. sorry. | 18:19 |
| Smari | Yeah okay | 18:19 |
| kanzure | hm an "RPC and YAML" article would be nice about now | 18:21 |
| Smari | YAML is an untyped, nonstrict structured document language which works for many things that have non-specific structures and no predefined formatting. XML on the other hand provides strict types via DTDs, which provides for unambiguous structure and linting. | 18:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-matters23.html | 18:21 |
| kanzure | YAML is typed. | 18:21 |
| Smari | YAML is fundamentally incompatable with RPC | 18:21 |
| Smari | Okay, it isn't. | 18:21 |
| Smari | but it's very much bad with RPC | 18:22 |
| kanzure | in the case of DTDs, in the current model of skdb, components/parts are responsible for makiing sure they are not bullshitting themselves | 18:22 |
| Smari | An RPC is simply some way to define functions on a remote location and call them, passing data structures around. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | hm? could you give me an example? | 18:22 |
| Smari | Okay. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | can RPC be implemented over CGI? | 18:22 |
| Smari | Yes | 18:22 |
| kanzure | er, not that anyone calls it CGI anymore .. | 18:23 |
| Smari | hehe :) | 18:23 |
| kanzure | so why would spitting out YAML text versus XML text not work over CGI/equivalents? | 18:23 |
| Smari | It isn't spitting out XML text. | 18:23 |
| kanzure | ok ok, XML binary | 18:24 |
| Smari | Which is one of it's biggest features. For the record, I HATE XML. | 18:24 |
| Smari | no, no XML at all. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | XMLRPC == XML + RPC ? | 18:24 |
| Smari | XMLRPC = RPC which uses XML transparently as a transport language. | 18:24 |
| Smari | Here. In the TB Django I have an XMLRPC interface.. with functions such as GetSites(). See sources/fabmap/xmlrpc.py | 18:25 |
| Smari | Or, well.. all the functions in there are exposed as XMLRPC calls, right? | 18:25 |
| Smari | So now I'm going to do a client script. | 18:25 |
| Smari | >>> import xmlrpclib | 18:26 |
| kanzure | I'm looking at xmlrpc.py and not seeing anything particularly special here | 18:26 |
| kanzure | you seem to be spitting out dictionaries | 18:26 |
| Smari | >>> srv = xmlrpclib.Server("http://www.tangiblebit.com/xmlrpc/") | 18:26 |
| Smari | That's part of the point. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | how is that not YAML? | 18:26 |
| Smari | >>> srv.GetSiteList() | 18:26 |
| Smari | That's the magic. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | I see. | 18:27 |
| Smari | (the XMLRPC stuff isn't actually running on tangiblebit.com at the moment) | 18:27 |
| kanzure | how would it be? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | er, by what mechanism would it be running on the server | 18:27 |
| Smari | If I check out the git, then it will. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | so, django runs it? | 18:28 |
| Smari | But that there client code will do a HTTP request with an XMLRPC request encoded as the POST data, and then it parses the response back.. (unmarshalling) and returns it. | 18:28 |
| Smari | yes | 18:28 |
| Smari | So the point is that it's ludicrously simple to use. | 18:29 |
| kanzure | is there a flatfile archive of all of the packages in tb/skdb? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | er, just tb I guess I mean | 18:29 |
| Smari | Don't think so. | 18:29 |
| kanzure | why not? | 18:29 |
| Smari | dunno. What do you mean by packages in this case? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | er, the whole idea is that we're writing this system that lets you download "packages" of hardware | 18:30 |
| Smari | ah yes | 18:30 |
| kanzure | one package might be "screw" | 18:30 |
| kanzure | another package might be "milling machine" | 18:30 |
| kanzure | so, I like having a collection of files | 18:31 |
| Smari | I haven't gotten that far. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | because all of my hax0r tools work on them | 18:31 |
| Smari | there's no package stuff at the moment | 18:31 |
| kanzure | there is in skdb | 18:31 |
| Smari | yup | 18:31 |
| kanzure | so my point is that XMLRPC doesn't really matter in the case of just downloading packages | 18:31 |
| Smari | So what I've been building mostly is the interface stuff... defining how things go between places. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | maybe in communicating and passing messages for scheduling of different jobs across different fablabs | 18:32 |
| Smari | kanzure, indeed. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | okay | 18:32 |
| Smari | so the packages can be flat - in fact, they should be flat. | 18:32 |
| Smari | or like, as files. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | I was worried you were thinking this was somehow replacing the YAML packaging formats | 18:32 |
| Smari | but there's a very good reason for using a good RPC system | 18:32 |
| Smari | Nope | 18:33 |
| Smari | not really | 18:33 |
| Smari | except that I think YAML is the wrong tool for this job. | 18:33 |
| kanzure | what about X11-based message passing? | 18:33 |
| Smari | Eurhghasf | 18:33 |
| kanzure | just wondering | 18:33 |
| Smari | the X11 RPC system is really horrible | 18:33 |
| kanzure | am not being serious | 18:33 |
| kanzure | have never looked at it | 18:33 |
| Smari | I would be interested in seeing if XMPP would be sensible though.. | 18:34 |
| kanzure | jabber? hah | 18:34 |
| Smari | RPC over XMPP... somebody must have had that idea before. | 18:34 |
| Smari | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0009.html | 18:34 |
| kanzure | jer and I talk sometimes | 18:35 |
| kanzure | nice guy | 18:35 |
| * kanzure eats (so will be slow to reply) | 18:35 | |
| Smari | I'm getting ready for bed.. :) | 18:36 |
| Smari | brb | 18:36 |
| Smari | back | 18:38 |
| kanzure | so, what does tb-get.py do? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | or, what will it do, rather? | 18:39 |
| kanzure | it seems to just be a message passer for clients | 18:39 |
| kanzure | if you return an object of a type that the client doesn't understand, what happens? | 18:40 |
| Smari | It was intended as a) a test suite for the RPC interface b) an attempt at figuring out what kind of functionality an apt-get like client might have... | 18:40 |
| Smari | kanzure, same as if you pass an invalid parameter type to a function. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | isn't python supposed to be dynamically typed? | 18:41 |
| Smari | kanzure, sure. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | so if you return an object that it doesn't know the class for .. | 18:41 |
| kanzure | that kinda breaks things | 18:41 |
| Smari | ah. Hm! I don't think you can pass class instances. | 18:42 |
| Smari | nope | 18:43 |
| Smari | just string, int, double, binary blobs, datetime, booleans, structs and arrays. | 18:44 |
| Smari | http://www.xmlrpc.com/spec | 18:44 |
| Smari | I really like the EeePC btw. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | I guess I don't actually care what the format is, as long as the functionality is preserved. | 19:01 |
| Smari | mhm | 19:13 |
| Smari | my only point about format is that it needs to be something that won't cause us lots of headaches later when poorly informed eejits start writing packages. | 19:14 |
| Smari | or generally interfacing. | 19:14 |
| Smari | I've been writing software long enough to have become allergic to freeform user input.. :) | 19:15 |
| kanzure | eejits? | 19:16 |
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| Smari | idiots. Hiberno-English,. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | the idea is to make it so that it doesn't happen | 19:19 |
| kanzure | first, I came to the general conclusion that idiots will not be package maintainers | 19:19 |
| kanzure | the basic idea is that package maintainers will submit the (maintained) packages | 19:19 |
| kanzure | people talk with the package maintainers and give them the CAD files, the information that the poor sap needs, etc. | 19:19 |
| kanzure | now, they could figure out how to do it themselves, that's true, but someone is still going to have to review it | 19:20 |
| kanzure | and it would still have to pass various tests | 19:20 |
| kanzure | Smari: is the only reason why you're not committing to skdb.git is because you dislike the name? | 19:20 |
| Smari | kanzure, now it is. Until now it's been that I wasn't sure if we were actually going to merge. | 19:21 |
| Smari | but now that it's just a naming issue left.. *shrug* | 19:21 |
| kanzure | ok. how would you prefer to do a merge? | 19:21 |
| Smari | I don't know. I'm very fond of the TangibleBit name, but I'm open to other names... I just don't understand what 'skdb' means and it's hard to pronounce :) | 19:22 |
| Smari | as for merging files, I think your git merge thing is the right way to go.. | 19:23 |
| kanzure | it means 'societal (engineering) knowledge data base' | 19:23 |
| kanzure | I am fine with tangible bit as a name | 19:23 |
| Smari | okay. | 19:25 |
| Smari | the skdb file system is a bit messy... should we come up with some file structure for the project's files or just see what happens? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | you should pull and move stuff around as you see fit :) | 19:26 |
| Smari | I'm a file system neat freak, sorry | 19:26 |
| kanzure | last night we moved some documentation around, and cleaned things up a bit | 19:26 |
| Smari | okay, how about you merge the gits and I'll move stuff around tomorrow :) | 19:26 |
| kanzure | okay | 19:27 |
| * kanzure is working on that | 19:27 | |
| kanzure | just did git-import-folder and for some reason it didn't include your history. | 19:27 |
| * kanzure fixes. | 19:27 | |
| Smari | okay.. I have a headache, probably allergy related.. going to doze off. Will I be very shocked if I pull tomorrow? (The correct answer is yes) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | hopefully in a good way? | 19:30 |
| Smari | yay :) | 19:30 |
| Smari | you rock. In theory at least. | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ok merge was successful | 19:33 |
| kanzure | unfortunately it merged to skdb/tangiblebit.com/clients/clients/tb-get/ | 19:33 |
| kanzure | obviously that's kind of wrong | 19:33 |
| Smari | heheh | 19:33 |
| kanzure | unless you happen to be a fan of terrible directory structures? | 19:33 |
| Smari | I am not. | 19:33 |
| kanzure | hmph. | 19:33 |
| Smari | gnite! | 19:35 |
| kanzure | night | 19:35 |
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| kanzure | git-import-folder ~/local/tangiblebit tangiblebit.com/doc . | 20:05 |
| kanzure | git-import-folder ~/local/tangiblebit tangiblebit.com/clients/ . | 20:05 |
| kanzure | git-import-folder ~/local/tangiblebit tangiblebit.com/sources/ . | 20:12 |
| * kanzure pushes | 20:12 | |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rf661e872a51b /sources/templates/fabmap/sitedetails.json: Converging, some bugs in the sitedetails.json template though, ignore for now. | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r467a9c5659d7 /sources/ (15 files in 5 dirs): ... | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r577bd652bc22 /sources/ (__init__.pyc settings.pyc urls.pyc): Removing .pyc's | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r863d30e46493 /sources/xmlrpc/ (__init__.py views.py): xmlrpc interface. | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r6d569de900ba /sources/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Removing some .pyc's I lost. | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r7c4dc8342c53 /sources/ (fabmap/views.py fabmap/xmlrpc.py settings.py): Implemented some FabMap related XMLRPC request stuff. | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r56965e715993 /sources/ (fabmap/views.py fabmap/xmlrpc.py settings.py): More XMLRPC features; changing JSON views to wrap XMLRPC functions (it's faster and cleaner!). | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r5a3bf411f971 /unittests/xmlrpctest.py: More XMLRPC features; changing JSON views to wrap XMLRPC functions (it's faster and cleaner!). | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r7c6f48a6e778 /sources/ (fabmap/models.py fabmap/xmlrpc.py settings.py): More XMLRPC stuff and material properties draft (in fabmap/models.py) | 20:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r5f419b31f47a /doc/material_properties.txt: Bla | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r7f1dcf54ea5f /doc/object_properties.txt: Testing bot | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * re27799c67d93 /doc/object_properties.txt: More test | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rc9616942783b /doc/object_properties.txt: . | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rd31b1090c284 /doc/object_properties.txt: A! | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r27a10aa724ef /doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: Added manufacturing process list. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r4fa9eb3a2b16 /doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: .. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rfa44f3017188 /doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: Arr | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r0345f4cc7366 /doc/ (process_list.txt sitemap.txt): Restructuring JavaScript interface... | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rd5617e7a8b78 /sources/templates/fabmap/index.html: Pushing around some javascript functions, cleaning up site management interface. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r7b164daab956 /doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: Pushing around some javascript functions, cleaning up site management interface. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r866caccffb50 /sources/ (fabmap/views.py fabmap/xmlrpc.py urls.py): More XMLRPC and Javascript glue. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r73f0f30974dc /doc/DTD/site.dtd: Added <site> DTD. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r3557015c0ae1 /sources/ (5 files in 3 dirs): XML and YAML exporters for Site model. XML Conforms to site.dtd. XMLRPC interfaces for fetching also implemented. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * ra87b8bd8cffb /doc/DTD/site.dtd: XML and YAML exporters for Site model. XML Conforms to site.dtd. XMLRPC interfaces for fetching also implemented. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * r1749898af07f /sources/templates/fabmap/index.html: Map and LatLon selector development. Why the hell doesn't OpenLayers have a DragMarker class?! | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: spm * rac62b95bec29 /unittests/ (siteparser.py sitetest.xml): Adding some (broken) tests. | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: smari * rbefd63579dcd /clients/tb-get/ (tb-get.py tbdefaults.conf): Added a skeleton of a "tb-get" program that I hacked together on the ferry just now... :P | 20:13 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * reffa2a6470ce /clients/ (XMLRPCAuth.py tb-get/tb-get.py tb-get/tbdefaults.conf): Merge commit 'git-import-folder-merge/master' | 20:14 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r13abf374ba1a /doc/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'git-import-folder-merge/master' | 20:14 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r6db0b476730e /unittests/ (siteparser.py sitetest.xml xmlrpctest.py): Merge commit 'git-import-folder-merge/master' | 20:14 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r57db6f821660 /sources/ (27 files in 9 dirs): Merge commit 'git-import-folder-merge/master' | 20:14 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r01d8146ce1a3 / (50 files in 6 dirs): moved pymates/ and dep/ to the sources/ dir | 20:24 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r33412f964145 / (7 files in 3 dirs): move stuff around | 20:24 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r0dbff270d812 / (26 files in 4 dirs): completely cleaned out the main directory | 20:24 |
| kanzure | annnd now everything doesn't work | 20:24 |
| kanzure | not like it worked to begin with | 20:24 |
| kanzure | fuck you, world | 20:24 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r402bd285fe8a / (dice.py sources/dice.py): okay, one more | 20:25 |
| kanzure | git log --follow should definitely be the default | 20:36 |
| kanzure | what's the point of it *not* being default? | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | its git, nothing makes sense | 20:38 |
| QuantumG | most likely it isn't the default because it uses more cpu | 20:38 |
| QuantumG | or something equally inane | 20:38 |
| kanzure | the problem is that when you move a file, it actually just "writes" the file or something | 20:39 |
| kanzure | so "git log" doesn't bother to track the renames in the logs | 20:39 |
| kanzure | (renames are separate actions) | 20:40 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * re81396d571c4 /doc/TODO: get rid of mysql eventually | 21:59 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r943f74185d59 / (152 files in 28 dirs): moved stuff around | 21:59 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r9dbf74459dc6 / (inventory/urls.py urls.py): forgot to move urls.py to inventory/ | 22:02 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r5dfdc4d777e2 /inventory/ (7 files in 4 dirs): used 'expand' to convert from tabs to spaces | 22:10 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r08c23de6b5f1 /unittests/ (siteparser.py xmlrpctest.py): tab hunting season | 22:11 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rb0265f8e4642 /packages/screw/ (metadata.yaml screw.py): i dont think info about the software should be in the screw package; i'm not sure screw.py actually belongs in the screw example package | 22:13 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r5651c768c695 /clients/tb-get/tb-get.py: even more, forgot this one | 22:15 |
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| kanzure | if screw.py doesn't belong to a screw, then what does it belong to? | 22:16 |
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| ybit | wrldpc2: the other day you left the channel.. you might like to try pure data | 22:21 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_data | 22:21 |
| ybit | it's what i was looking for.. | 22:21 |
| ybit | 19:09 < ybit> also http://electro-music.com/forum/forum-112.html is of interest | 22:22 |
| wrldpc2 | ty ybit ... who was that musician as well? e209? | 22:22 |
| ybit | http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/pure-data/ | 22:23 |
| ybit | e603 | 22:23 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * r6329e4394363 /doc/comparison/readme: everybody loves documentation | 22:23 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rf6c10daff08c /clients/tb-get/tb-get.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 22:23 |
| wrldpc2 | i need to code a robust piece of lyric permutation software. a robust piece of language processing that eats text, builds linguistic models based on the character/string rules it finds in the text, and then permutates verse after verse after verse of rhymes. | 22:25 |
| wrldpc2 | using some kind of crude "bible code" esque modeling rules or something. | 22:26 |
| wrldpc2 | lol | 22:26 |
| wrldpc2 | character distance and shit. | 22:26 |
| wrldpc2 | there are probably many ways to deconstruct a piece of text and build a model of it. | 22:26 |
| ybit | oh yeah... | 22:30 |
| ybit | and something else was relevant... | 22:30 |
| ybit | 20:09 < ybit> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080401150755.htm is \ | 22:30 |
| ybit | what i was looking for earlier | 22:31 |
| ybit | 20:09 < ybit> http://music.princeton.edu/~dmitri/ChordGeometries.html | 22:31 |
| ybit | wrldpc2^ | 22:31 |
| wrldpc2 | ty | 22:31 |
| ybit | np | 22:31 |
| wrldpc2 | has anyone done a double blind study on the emoto shit | 22:32 |
| ybit | anything to help musicians not make crappy music | 22:32 |
| genehacker_light | heh that's interesting compressing an mp3 down by a lot | 22:37 |
| ybit | ack | 22:38 |
| ybit | wrong link | 22:38 |
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| ybit | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417142454.htm | 22:40 |
| ybit | there, that's what i had meant to paste | 22:40 |
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| fenn | wrldpc2: havce you looked at megahal? | 23:06 |
| wrldpc2 | nah | 23:06 |
| fenn | why not? | 23:06 |
| fenn | it's exactly what you desribed | 23:06 |
| fenn | ok so it doesnt rhyme, but that's only because english spelling is whack | 23:07 |
| fenn | note to self: wear sunscreen next time i do a lot of welding | 23:59 |
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