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| ybit | it's the learning process i'm after | 00:06 |
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| splicer | (welding is almost riveting) | 00:21 |
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| katsmeow-afk | as a topic or procedure? | 00:38 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: me? | 00:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | splicer | 00:38 |
| splicer | katsmeow-afk: was a bad pun | 00:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-) | 00:57 |
| ybit | http://sig.ma/ | 01:35 |
| ybit | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/26/2211222/The-Web-of-Data-Beyond-What-Google-and-Yahoo-Show | 01:35 |
| ybit | "Both Google and Yahoo have been supporting Semantic Web markup (RDFa, RDF | 01:35 |
| ybit | and Microformats) for weeks and months respectively. What they do, at the | 01:35 |
| ybit | moment, is use the markup only for visual feedback by returning better | 01:35 |
| ybit | looking, more functional 'page snippets.' But how would it look if you could | 01:35 |
| ybit | get all these bits and compose them automatically to form a single | 01:35 |
| ybit | structured information page about what you're searching for? The folks at | 01:35 |
| ybit | the DERI institute have just released Sig.ma, a visual browser and mashup | 01:35 |
| ybit | generator that will go all over the web of data and find dozens of sources | 01:35 |
| ybit | to combine together when answering a user query. It also comes in API mode | 01:35 |
| ybit | to reuse the information Sig.ma finds inside applications. Here are a | 01:35 |
| ybit | screencast and a blog post, with semantic-web-geek details." | 01:35 |
| ybit | via pointrel-discuss | 01:35 |
| ybit | re: spherical coordinate system for the brain, didn't the allen institute do this already? [kanzure] | 01:55 |
| ybit | spherical coordinate system is vague | 01:58 |
| ybit | guessing you want a map of all processes taking place in the brain | 01:58 |
| ybit | sounds like a job for the blue brain guys @ epfl | 01:59 |
| ybit | http://slash7.com/pages/vampires :: Help Vampires: A Spotter's Guide | 02:11 |
| ybit | http://gas2.org/2009/07/27/student-built-electric-car-charges-in-10-minutes/ | 02:17 |
| xp_prg | ok anyone heard about the book wet ware, a computer in every cell? | 02:17 |
| ybit | http://mit-evt.blogspot.com/search/label/elEVen | 02:18 |
| ybit | xp_prg: no | 02:18 |
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| kanzure | ybit: a map of processes in the brain would be lovely | 07:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: however, that's not what I am after | 07:31 |
| kanzure | I just want to be able to start mapping information that I read about when I read up on the brain' | 07:32 |
| kanzure | there's no way to really "store" this information in a useful format at the moment | 07:32 |
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| genehacker2 | kanzure if you get yourself an arduino and a reasonably sized inductor you could do so | 07:37 |
| kanzure | what? | 07:37 |
| kanzure | I don't think you understand | 07:37 |
| kanzure | I can store this information in a text document, but then that's not really addressable/mappable | 07:38 |
| kanzure | it would be better if there is some spherical coordinate system | 07:38 |
| kanzure | where I can type in coordinates from the literature | 07:38 |
| kanzure | and get back everything that I have previously saved for that general location, or something | 07:38 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with an arduino? | 07:38 |
| genehacker2 | code commits and electric shock | 07:43 |
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| kanzure | http://openmulticopter.org/ | 08:12 |
| flazmot | http://ansistego.sourceforge.net/drill.png | 08:14 |
| kanzure | what is this an image of? | 08:15 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * ra7233385923f / (packages/screw/__init__.py pymates/test_part.py): unit tests for pymates (parts) | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r8df8c10917ae /pymates/test_part.py: more unit test ideas fo | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r98005bd3597a /doc/proposals/assemblies.txt: jotted down some notes on how to deal with assemblies and pymates | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r572032cc01e5 /doc/proposals/assemblies.txt: assemblies are more like graphs | 09:42 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r6f1b2192b7f4 /doc/todo/presentation.txt: more presentation notes | 09:42 |
| kanzure | I should write an email and send it to diybio | 09:43 |
| kanzure | and say something like, | 09:43 |
| kanzure | "I am going to wait 5 years. After waiting 5 years, I will be in the future and will only at that time participate with others. Because that's how development works, right?" | 09:43 |
| kanzure | http://openluna.org/ | 09:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: before you leave today, would you mind copying some of the VRML lego files? | 09:44 |
| kanzure | nice discussion in ##electronics about how the badass soviets copied photomasks for intel microprocessors | 09:53 |
| kanzure | ldraw, leocad, blockcad, these all suck immensely. does anyone have a favorite lego brick program? | 10:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1450 | 10:09 |
| kanzure | vim-vhdl :) | 10:09 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/vim-vhdl/wiki/specification | 10:10 |
| ybit | there's an emacs command to do that ;) | 10:10 |
| kanzure | to do what? | 10:10 |
| ybit | vim-vhdl | 10:10 |
| ybit | http://xkcd.com/378/ | 10:10 |
| kanzure | I'm a level 69 butterfly master | 10:15 |
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| ybit | hmm, only 5 have joined the mailing list after my massive spam message to the facebook diy h+ group | 10:29 |
| ybit | massive = everyone that wasn't already my friend, roughly 40 people | 10:30 |
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| kanzure | why did you spam them? | 10:34 |
| ybit | to get a good idea of what the community is working on | 10:40 |
| fenn | there's a community? | 10:42 |
| ybit | no not really :P | 10:42 |
| ybit | there are people that have joined a facebook group and recieve diy h+ emails | 10:42 |
| ybit | and some people even hang out in here | 10:43 |
| ybit | 02:14 < xp_prg> ok anyone heard about the book wet ware, a computer in every cell? | 10:44 |
| ybit | do you have a link to the book? | 10:45 |
| * ybit was expecting you to follow-up on my response | 10:45 | |
| ybit | http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html | 10:46 |
| ybit | kind of lame but related to alternative keyboards: http://web.archive.org/web/20060218185526/http://www.geocities.com/zplazm/footmouse.html | 10:46 |
| kanzure | bonus points for whoever can get xahlee to join this channel | 10:46 |
| ybit | how's about a level up in emacs instead? | 10:46 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r02392edaf047 / (8 files in 3 dirs): removed OCC.Display dependencies in pymates, moved them around. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | also, I hate .pyc files | 10:47 |
| ybit | re: diy h+ "i really want to write about how incredibly adorable this is... but adorable does not make applicable scientific breakthroughs, i think... unless you are Algernon." Simone Syed | 10:48 |
| kanzure | adorable? | 10:48 |
| * ybit waves his fists | 10:48 | |
| * ybit is too lazy to post the projects right now | 10:48 | |
| drazak | C-x M-c M-butterfly | 10:49 |
| ybit | not sure what you call that kind of person, kind of like a help vampire in the sense that they aren't actually researching what others are doing before speaking | 10:49 |
| ybit | lazy maybe? | 10:49 |
| * ybit is lazy often, but that's more of a cynical laziness | 10:50 | |
| ybit | drazak: :D | 10:50 |
| drazak | :D | 10:51 |
| fenn | wow actual data being used for design decisions: http://xahlee.org/emacs/command-frequency.html | 10:53 |
| fenn | continuing on my pedantic analysis of terminology, i'd like to observe that nobody ever says "a machining process" but rather they say "a machining technique" thus affirming that "machining" is the process and "milling" or "turning" is the technique | 11:01 |
| fenn | one of these days i'll get around to renaming everything | 11:03 |
| fenn | in order of decreasing generality: process, technique, operation, setup | 11:04 |
| ybit | re: diy h+ projects... could possibly take a list, something similar to concatenating the fablab.yaml and techshop.yaml and putting this in an .org file where under each project there are links to every free/os project for the machine | 11:05 |
| ybit | .org would definitely help to organize this, and it's needed because the number of open source projects is mind numbing | 11:06 |
| fenn | oh bullshit | 11:06 |
| ybit | go on | 11:07 |
| fenn | there's hardly any open source hardware that isn't arduino | 11:07 |
| ybit | heh | 11:07 |
| fenn | sure there are a lot of variations on MDF + skate bearing cnc foam cutters | 11:08 |
| fenn | but they're essentially branches of the same design | 11:08 |
| fenn | and very few actually publish schematics or cad files | 11:08 |
| ybit | i don't care if they use similar tech, i just want a listing of them | 11:08 |
| ybit | which is properties of the subheadings/links which can be noted in org-mode | 11:09 |
| ybit | s/is/are | 11:09 |
| fenn | http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking | 11:09 |
| kanzure | http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Design | 11:09 |
| fenn | there's another link that i'm forgetting (not p2pfoundation) | 11:10 |
| kanzure | ybit: have you checked out trans-tech.yaml yet? | 11:10 |
| fenn | maybe this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware | 11:10 |
| ybit | kanzure: yup | 11:11 |
| ybit | like i said, it's highly similar to some of the lists i've created in the past | 11:11 |
| ybit | but i like that it's online and archived | 11:11 |
| kanzure | fenn, ybit: be sure to see skdb/doc/proposals/assemblies.txt for some notes from this morning | 11:12 |
| kanzure | the notes need to be turned into unit tests | 11:12 |
| kanzure | I like the idea of doing something like: | 11:12 |
| kanzure | a=Part() | 11:12 |
| kanzure | b=Part() | 11:12 |
| kanzure | a+b | 11:12 |
| kanzure | and (a+b) would be some sort of list of potential pymates.Mate objects | 11:12 |
| * ybit is off to scan some more of the first book | 11:13 | |
| kanzure | ybit: your time could be better spent | 11:14 |
| kanzure | no offense | 11:14 |
| ybit | none taken | 11:15 |
| fenn | http://p2pfoundation.net/Moving_from_free_software_to_free_production:_what_we_need | 11:18 |
| fenn | how am i ever going to get anything done and also keep up with what everyone else is saying? | 11:19 |
| kanzure | I am in love | 11:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.boddie.org.uk/david/Projects/Python/ldraw/ | 11:33 |
| kanzure | python for ldraw | 11:33 |
| kanzure | download: http://www.boddie.org.uk/david/Projects/Python/ldraw/Software/ldraw-0.10.tar.bz2 | 11:34 |
| kanzure | hm, better link: | 11:34 |
| kanzure | http://python-ldraw.alioth.debian.org/ | 11:34 |
| kanzure | hg clone http://hg.debian.org/hg/python-ldraw/main | 11:35 |
| kanzure | ah, definitely do the mercurial clone | 11:35 |
| kanzure | it has some new tools like ldr2pov.py for povray visualization of the created models | 11:35 |
| kanzure | hm I don't seem to have a ldraw/ldraw/models/figures.ldr file | 11:37 |
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| fenn | kanzure do you know if the @param stuff in docstrings in the pythonOCC samples does something special? | 11:48 |
| fenn | for example pythonOCC/samples/Level1/Geometry/geometry_demos.py in function make_text | 11:50 |
| kanzure | whoever came up with Level1 & Level2 should be shot | 11:53 |
| kanzure | can we rename them to 1 and 2 please? | 11:53 |
| fenn | there are a number of things i'd like to change in pythonOCC | 11:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: it looks like inline documentation | 11:54 |
| fenn | (understatement of the year) | 11:54 |
| kanzure | isn't this used for ipython and bpython and help()? | 11:54 |
| kanzure | @param, I mean | 11:54 |
| fenn | not that i can tell | 11:55 |
| fenn | help() just prints the docstring and function prototype | 11:55 |
| kanzure | huh you're right | 11:55 |
| fenn | bpython just prints the function prototype | 11:55 |
| kanzure | it spits out the @param | 11:55 |
| kanzure | (help, I mean) | 11:55 |
| kanzure | is it doxygen-specific? | 11:55 |
| fenn | er.. do people use doxygen with python? | 11:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: remember the doxygen stuff on pythonocc.org? | 11:56 |
| kanzure | it's gone now, but there used to be an API zip file download | 11:56 |
| kanzure | google indexed it once (they also had it uncompressed on their server) | 11:56 |
| fenn | it's still there (maybe not the zip file) | 11:56 |
| kanzure | oh, woops | 11:57 |
| fenn | but that's all OCC.* | 11:57 |
| fenn | not samples | 11:57 |
| fenn | weird | 11:58 |
| fenn | grep '@param' /usr/share/pyshared/OCC/ -R | 11:58 |
| fenn | only finds 3 lines in Utils/Construct.py | 11:58 |
| fenn | i have decided i don't care what @param is | 12:00 |
| kanzure | congratulatoins | 12:00 |
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| fenn | hello splicer | 12:02 |
| fenn | what have you been up to lately? | 12:02 |
| splicer | hi fenn. Drinking coffee | 12:03 |
| splicer | arguing a bit with bryan on diybio | 12:04 |
| splicer | did set up a #biopunk channel here too | 12:05 |
| splicer | but most of all... avoiding to hack some fucking html | 12:06 |
| fenn | scraping? | 12:06 |
| splicer | I should make it XHTML 1.0 compliant | 12:08 |
| kanzure | splicer: hello | 12:08 |
| kanzure | splicer: I don't think we're arguing. you asked a question, I replied. | 12:09 |
| splicer | hi kanzure | 12:09 |
| splicer | yes | 12:09 |
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| splicer | I thought you were talking about your git biology repository or your zip file. | 12:09 |
| kanzure | no, sorry | 12:10 |
| splicer | i think skdb is a tough sell to say OWW | 12:11 |
| kanzure | I'm not trying to sell it to OWW | 12:12 |
| kanzure | OWW is a wiki | 12:12 |
| splicer | it's an organisation I think, we're members. | 12:12 |
| splicer | ok, OWW is a wiki | 12:15 |
| xp_prg | oh wow splicer, I like your posts! | 12:15 |
| xp_prg | splicer can I give you my two cents? | 12:15 |
| splicer | sure | 12:16 |
| xp_prg | getting a server and paying for it, maintaining it, is a total bitch | 12:17 |
| xp_prg | just use sourceforge or google code, its free and easy | 12:17 |
| xp_prg | like to the area via the oww wiki, done | 12:18 |
| xp_prg | like = link | 12:18 |
| kanzure | oww is not diybio | 12:19 |
| kanzure | sorry guys | 12:19 |
| xp_prg | what does oww stand for? | 12:19 |
| kanzure | openwetware | 12:19 |
| splicer | open wet ware | 12:19 |
| kanzure | it's an academic wiki for igem | 12:20 |
| xp_prg | oh ok | 12:20 |
| xp_prg | splicer do you see what I am getting at? | 12:20 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: how would someone who goes to diybio.org know about these projects | 12:20 |
| xp_prg | just link to them | 12:20 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: but mac doesn't let us link to anything on diybio.org | 12:21 |
| kanzure | do you get it yet? | 12:21 |
| xp_prg | wow why? | 12:21 |
| kanzure | because he hates me :( | 12:21 |
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| fenn | wah. | 12:21 |
| splicer | xp_prg: yeah, but I'm not looking to build any of the projects talked about. | 12:21 |
| kanzure | bah as if you like listening to me anyway | 12:21 |
| kanzure | splicer: then why the hell are you pestering | 12:21 |
| kanzure | me? | 12:21 |
| fenn | if http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/GearSynth/ is no good then where's the real code (so i can "document" it on the wiki) | 12:21 |
| splicer | kanzure: mac is building something, he is working his ass of doing it. | 12:22 |
| kanzure | let me upload | 12:22 |
| xp_prg | splicer I am confused what are you saying then? | 12:22 |
| splicer | xp_prg: "don't complain, do it yourself" | 12:22 |
| * kanzure uploads | 12:23 | |
| kanzure | splicer: what is he building? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | splicer: and why doesn't he let us list projects on diybio.org? | 12:23 |
| splicer | mac?... he is building diybio | 12:23 |
| kanzure | um. what? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok, check that dir again | 12:23 |
| splicer | projects like skdb? cause it's not bio | 12:23 |
| kanzure | how is a gel box not bio? | 12:23 |
| splicer | skdb is a gelbox? | 12:24 |
| fenn | i had visions of a mural of Mac as the proletariat holding a giant hammer | 12:24 |
| kanzure | splicer: do you know what hardware even is?? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | sometimes there are communication barriers that I am not aware of | 12:24 |
| fenn | skdb is a repo for projects like a gel box; only nobody's sent us the cad files for a gel box | 12:24 |
| kanzure | it's also more than a repo, it's a package manager and some other things | 12:24 |
| splicer | yeah... it's everything | 12:25 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:25 |
| fenn | kanzure: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/GearSynth/ is the same? | 12:25 |
| splicer | it's you guys pipe dream | 12:25 |
| kanzure | then what about all the code? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | what the hell man | 12:26 |
| splicer | you really don't get why mac wouldn't want to link to a skdb? | 12:27 |
| splicer | fenn? | 12:27 |
| wrldpc2 | http://mwmgraphics.com/2008_2020_BARCELONA_SHOW.html | 12:27 |
| wrldpc2 | ^matt moore --> laffoley: http://portageartist.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/solitron2.jpg | 12:28 |
| fenn | splicer: i dont think it's ready yet, but that doesn't mean all progress should halt until skdb is ready | 12:28 |
| splicer | aside from that | 12:29 |
| fenn | splicer: it's not like setting up a revision control system is hard | 12:29 |
| fenn | why is there NOTHING on diybio.org? | 12:29 |
| fenn | a blog with 1 post in the last 3 months? | 12:29 |
| splicer | maybe cause no one has built anything yet | 12:30 |
| fenn | that's not true | 12:30 |
| kanzure | "that's what they want you to think" | 12:30 |
| fenn | it only appears that way because stuff is scattered all over the web | 12:30 |
| kanzure | if they actually mentioned it on diybio.org, | 12:30 |
| kanzure | maybe you'd know about it | 12:30 |
| splicer | kanz... you mention everything | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i am not diybio.orgh | 12:31 |
| splicer | you're blessing and a curse | 12:31 |
| fenn | if people spent as much time resolving his genuine complaints as they did complaining about the complaining, something good might happen | 12:32 |
| fenn | bleh' | 12:32 |
| splicer | it's not other peoples job to fix what kanzure complains about. | 12:34 |
| splicer | ...especially in other peoples forums | 12:34 |
| splicer | he can create his own forum... and promote it like mac & co | 12:34 |
| fenn | so domain squatting is OK? | 12:35 |
| splicer | like? | 12:35 |
| fenn | diybio.org | 12:35 |
| splicer | what do you mean by domain squatting? | 12:36 |
| splicer | the reason people know and hear about diybio is because it's beeing promoted by the owners... lately others too. | 12:37 |
| fenn | when did mac become the "owner" of diybio? | 12:37 |
| splicer | there is mac on everything citizen biology | 12:37 |
| fenn | and i dont mean the domain name | 12:38 |
| splicer | ah... in 3 years there will be 5 groups like that | 12:38 |
| fenn | for all the lip service to community, people sure don't act like they care | 12:38 |
| splicer | They do a lot I think | 12:40 |
| fenn | do we really need competing "diy" organizations? | 12:40 |
| splicer | of course we do | 12:40 |
| fenn | why? | 12:40 |
| fenn | you know forking is bad right? | 12:40 |
| splicer | it's what happens when humans organize, after a while someone gets pissed off, leaves and takes half of the pupils. | 12:41 |
| fenn | it may be inevitable, but it's still destructive and counterproductive | 12:41 |
| splicer | better than a monolith | 12:41 |
| fenn | a community isn't a monolith | 12:42 |
| fenn | this isnt IBM | 12:42 |
| fenn | mac seems to think he's a CEO or something though | 12:42 |
| splicer | why exactly? | 12:42 |
| fenn | because he's the "owner" right? | 12:42 |
| fenn | there's zero user-editable content on diybio.org | 12:43 |
| splicer | but this is the part that I don't get | 12:43 |
| fenn | he's consistently refused any sort of proposal to add anything user-editable | 12:43 |
| fenn | whether a wiki, a source repository, whatever | 12:43 |
| splicer | why don't you set yp a wiki then... why ask mac to do it? | 12:43 |
| fenn | i just explained that forking is bad | 12:44 |
| fenn | i have wikis for my projects | 12:44 |
| fenn | if i'm going to develop biology lab equipment, i want it to be easy to find | 12:44 |
| fenn | otherwise why go to the effort of documenting things | 12:45 |
| splicer | forking is good | 12:46 |
| fenn | you suck | 12:46 |
| * fenn goes back to work | 12:46 | |
| splicer | yeah.. but what are you gonna do | 12:46 |
| splicer | it's called speciation in evolution | 12:46 |
| splicer | forking is a good thing | 12:46 |
| fenn | the ability to fork is necessary; that doesn't make it good for the group | 12:47 |
| fenn | bacteria don't divide ad-infinitum | 12:47 |
| kanzure | forking is the solution to a problem in an unhealthy community | 12:47 |
| kanzure | diybio is very much alive and healthy as a community | 12:47 |
| splicer | evolution works on the individual level, do what you want... if it's good otherw will follow. | 12:47 |
| splicer | diybio may well be at it's beak right now | 12:48 |
| splicer | peak | 12:48 |
| fenn | i hope not; if it is, then it will all have been pointless | 12:48 |
| splicer | citizen biology will go on | 12:49 |
| kanzure | splicer: do you understand the difference between diybio and diybio.org? | 12:49 |
| splicer | hehe... fine | 12:49 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:50 |
| splicer | diybio is called that cause that's what mac&co chose | 12:50 |
| splicer | it could be called garage biology | 12:50 |
| kanzure | so? | 12:51 |
| splicer | if that's the name they would have registered then that's what we would call it. | 12:51 |
| kanzure | no, diybio means diybio | 12:51 |
| splicer | not biybiology then? | 12:51 |
| kanzure | how would biybiology be different? | 12:51 |
| kanzure | buy it yourself? | 12:52 |
| splicer | don't remember | 12:52 |
| splicer | yeah.. apparently | 12:52 |
| kanzure | so how is that do-it-yourself? | 12:53 |
| fenn | why don't you go trademark "biopunk" and sue everyone who uses the term then? | 12:53 |
| kanzure | splicer: if mac et al. wanted a proprietary project, they shouldn't have got all these open source developers involved anyway. | 12:53 |
| kanzure | I think if mac really wants to go proprietary, he should set up a new site and explicitly say so or something | 12:53 |
| kanzure | but I don't think he wants to | 12:53 |
| kanzure | I could be wrong | 12:53 |
| splicer | i just think there is humor in that you opt the arbitrary name they chose and explain that there is a difference between diybio and diybio.org | 12:54 |
| kanzure | do you understand why more people know about diybio.org than they know about a random URL? | 12:54 |
| kanzure | it's because mac's beeing lying to the news | 12:54 |
| kanzure | *been | 12:54 |
| splicer | you mean promoting the name | 12:54 |
| kanzure | under false pretenses | 12:54 |
| splicer | what? | 12:55 |
| kanzure | "hey look world, here's where you can explore do-it-yourself biology and garage biology and biohacking and biopunk stuff. oh, but wait, I'm not actually going to put any of this up there. oh and it's open source, so I get buzzword points right?" | 12:56 |
| splicer | you realize anything you do in mac:s clothes will piss someone off. | 12:56 |
| kanzure | I don't want anything to do with his dirty clothes | 12:56 |
| splicer | do it yourself.. see how easy it is | 12:57 |
| kanzure | splicer: I think you just like to argue | 12:57 |
| kanzure | how easy what is? lying to people? | 12:57 |
| splicer | mmm.. actually I am procrastinating a bit | 12:57 |
| kanzure | I have no intention of lying. | 12:57 |
| splicer | I don't get it... why do you think diybio has to be the only game in town.... don't complain.... it's like me going there and complaining that it's not about biohacker culture or biopubk philosohy or what I happen to be interested in... | 12:59 |
| kanzure | but it is about biohacker culture | 13:00 |
| splicer | not really | 13:00 |
| splicer | well.. in a way | 13:00 |
| kanzure | how is doing it yourself not a hack? | 13:00 |
| kanzure | wtf man | 13:00 |
| splicer | well.... there would be more than that to a biopunk culture I think | 13:01 |
| kanzure | nothing wrong with that | 13:01 |
| splicer | It's like if I was choosing diybio as a venue to go on and on about memetics | 13:02 |
| kanzure | do you mean the discussion group? | 13:02 |
| splicer | yes | 13:02 |
| kanzure | do you have any particular projects involving memetics? | 13:02 |
| splicer | Projects in philosophy?... I've been thinking a lot about Dennett lately. | 13:03 |
| kanzure | er I said memetics | 13:04 |
| kanzure | do you know what memetics is? | 13:04 |
| splicer | Dennett is your memetics guy | 13:04 |
| kanzure | it's this idea that "ideas" are like genes, that they can be passed around from brain to brain in packages (like genes) | 13:04 |
| splicer | he is the philosopher who incorporates them | 13:04 |
| kanzure | so you can do experiments and so on | 13:04 |
| kanzure | you can even do experiments in philosophy | 13:05 |
| kanzure | these are typically called "thought experiments" | 13:05 |
| splicer | hehe | 13:05 |
| fenn | aka "not experiments" | 13:05 |
| splicer | This is me... I'm not sure how this would be receives in a biopunk community... but the best experiments concerning human nature I know are made by the PUA community. | 13:06 |
| splicer | They have aspects of Darwinism down to an art. | 13:07 |
| fenn | what does PUA have to do with darwinism? | 13:07 |
| splicer | Do you know mystery for example? | 13:08 |
| fenn | i think 4chan is a better example | 13:08 |
| fenn | no, i dont spend my time reading about how to hypnotise unsuspecting people | 13:08 |
| splicer | Talking about the PUA stuff is a bit like dennett describes talking about religion and magic: People get upset when one discusses how it's done. | 13:09 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with 4chan as an example | 13:10 |
| splicer | checking | 13:10 |
| kanzure | you talk about memes but know nothing of 4chan? | 13:10 |
| splicer | I had never heard of it | 13:12 |
| kanzure | huh | 13:12 |
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| fenn | 4chan is a meme breeding ground | 13:15 |
| fenn | splicer: before exploring 4chan i recommend setting a time limit so you don't suffer from overexposure | 13:16 |
| splicer | hehe | 13:16 |
| splicer | ...addictive | 13:21 |
| splicer | About the PUA community; It's common to explain behavior in evolutionary terms, like "50k years ago people run around in the forest in groups of 50pepole so therefore..." | 13:23 |
| kanzure | that's the field of "evolutionary psychology", yes | 13:23 |
| splicer | yes, and nowhere put to better use than in the PUA community. | 13:24 |
| kanzure | that's debatable | 13:24 |
| splicer | always | 13:24 |
| kanzure | what? | 13:25 |
| kanzure | no, I mean, there's possibly a better use that you haven't imagined yet | 13:25 |
| splicer | people hate the PUA community | 13:25 |
| kanzure | so what | 13:25 |
| kanzure | people hate jews too | 13:25 |
| splicer | fuck religion | 13:26 |
| kanzure | you don't really seem to be talking about anything | 13:26 |
| kanzure | I'm going back to work now | 13:26 |
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| genehacker2 | splicer whatever you do don't look directly at the site | 13:36 |
| splicer | genehacker: 4chan? | 13:36 |
| genehacker2 | don't | 13:37 |
| genehacker2 | so that bolonkin guy I was talking about | 13:37 |
| genehacker2 | he is wrong | 13:37 |
| genehacker2 | and I know why now | 13:38 |
| genehacker2 | or at least wrong about making a device that levitates in earth's magnetic field | 13:38 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * r4cceead42e8f /paths.py: show all 8 tangent circles (if they exist); reduce redundant point creation | 13:43 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * ree72fbbffd6b /paths.py: clean stuff up | 13:43 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * r7c609672f841 /paths.py: split tangent solver into its own func; start path builder. doesnt work yet, gce_MakeLin2d dies, why? | 13:43 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rb1bcf8084ffb / (16 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 13:43 |
| fenn | any ideas why gce_MakeCirc2d works but gce_MakeLin2d doesn't? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | full namespace please | 13:44 |
| fenn | OCC.gce.gce_MakeCirc2d | 13:45 |
| fenn | see paths.py in function line_arc_line_path | 13:45 |
| fenn | this seems to work: foo = gce_MakeLin2d(gp_Pnt2d(0,0), gp_Pnt2d(1,1)) | 13:46 |
| kanzure | does anyone know where STUD3.DAT can be found? | 13:46 |
| fenn | i think i'm passing it two gp_Pnt2d's; what gives | 13:46 |
| kanzure | you just said MakeLin2d doesn't | 13:46 |
| fenn | sorry, it doesn't work in my program :P | 13:47 |
| kanzure | "this seems to work" | 13:47 |
| kanzure | oh, so in a prompt it works, but not in the program | 13:47 |
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| kanzure | bah, check yer line nums | 13:49 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rd6288769ab80 /paths.py: fixed. thanks kanzure | 13:53 |
| fenn | sigh.. BRepFilletAPI_MakeFillet2d | 13:56 |
| kanzure | an entire api devoted to it | 13:57 |
| kanzure | I think you should be grepping the documentation in a shell, not in a browser | 13:57 |
| fenn | grepping doesn't really work so well | 14:04 |
| fenn | you know we should probably make some backups of important stuff on davinci | 14:05 |
| kanzure | and on leibniz :/ | 14:09 |
| kanzure | if you link me to a large hard drive on amazon, I'll order it and we can do some backups of important stuff | 14:10 |
| kanzure | but not larger than the maxtor drive | 14:10 |
| kanzure | otherwise I'd be tempted to always use it | 14:10 |
| fenn | large = 500GB? | 14:10 |
| kanzure | sounds good | 14:11 |
| kanzure | there's more than 500 GB on leibniz to back up, but not all of it is worth it | 14:11 |
| kanzure | but that will cover davinci | 14:11 |
| fenn | shouldn this work? tar -h -zxvf adl_wiki.tgz dokuwiki/ | 14:12 |
| kanzure | isn't "x" extract? | 14:12 |
| fenn | gah | 14:12 |
| kanzure | try c | 14:12 |
| fenn | i thought it was just compressing the symlink | 14:13 |
| fenn | but it was actually expanding the symlink | 14:13 |
| fenn | net result = same | 14:13 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pyldraw | 14:20 |
| kanzure | you can thank me | 14:21 |
| kanzure | you were right, python setup.py install was required | 14:40 |
| fenn | certainly seems like a lot of code in ldraw could be pared down | 14:40 |
| kanzure | ldraw is closed source | 14:40 |
| fenn | er, python-ldraw | 14:40 |
| fenn | it's like he's never heard of class inheritance | 14:41 |
| kanzure | rapid prototyping with povray is damn near impossible | 14:41 |
| kanzure | povray makes pyldraw *not* feel like legos at all | 14:42 |
| fenn | i suppose one could make an OCC "writer" | 14:43 |
| kanzure | what reads dot pov? | 14:43 |
| fenn | pov-ray | 14:43 |
| kanzure | blender? | 14:44 |
| xp_prg | blender rocks!!!!!! | 14:47 |
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| fenn | http://www.oyonale.com/ | 14:48 |
| kanzure | wouldn't it suck if ldraw is all based on povray? | 14:48 |
| kanzure | path truder? http://www.ldraw.org/Downloads-req-viewdownload-cid-9.html | 14:50 |
| kanzure | aha | 14:51 |
| kanzure | format converters | 14:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.ldraw.org/Downloads-req-viewdownload-cid-6.html | 14:51 |
| fenn | i particularly like this one http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=432&mode=info§ion=2003&lang=en | 14:51 |
| kanzure | stl2dat | 14:51 |
| kanzure | so, dxf or obj? which format? | 14:52 |
| fenn | this is pretty cool too; it's a tutorial how he actually goes about making scenes http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=505 | 14:52 |
| kanzure | http://www.brickwiki.org/wiki/LDraw_file_format | 14:56 |
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| kanzure | so not only is ldr2obj windows-only, it's an msi file | 15:03 |
| kanzure | and not only is it an msi file (wine -msiexec /i Setup.msi), | 15:03 |
| kanzure | but it requires the .NET framework to run anyway | 15:03 |
| kanzure | so maybe mono can run it, but still | 15:04 |
| kanzure | this is retarded. it's a simple file converter utility.. | 15:04 |
| kanzure | http://www.ldraw.org/Downloads-req-getit-lid-79.html | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.ldraw.org/Downloads-req-getit-lid-79.html | 15:12 |
| kanzure | ;kjlafdl;dsfl; | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.brickwiki.org/wiki/LDraw_file_format | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/temp.obj | 15:18 |
| kanzure | :) | 15:21 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/temp2.obj | 15:31 |
| kanzure | svn co http://svn.gerf.org/leocad/trunk leocad | 15:35 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: * r347b1fe88789 /paths.py: back to the original approach of making a path and then adding fillets | 16:02 |
| * kanzure compiles leocad | 16:03 | |
| kanzure | yay that was fast | 16:03 |
| kanzure | http://trac.gerf.org/leocad/wiki/CompilingGuide | 16:03 |
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| fenn | now thats what i call a gearsynth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtziCsUj5Q | 17:20 |
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| kanzure | weird, PieceInfo::WriteWavefront() is totally commented out in leocad/common/pieceinf.cpp | 17:29 |
| kanzure | the repo version exports to VRML97 and X3DV | 17:30 |
| fenn | i'm surprised blender doesnt import vrml97 | 17:32 |
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| kanzure | dovebid branford group | 17:38 |
| fenn | apparently that pic was rendered from these geometry descriptions: http://www.digitalbricks.org/lgeo.html | 18:08 |
| * kanzure writes some stl code up for pyldraw | 18:10 | |
| fenn | quite impressed with these lego renderings http://www.tubafrog.com/lego/index.php?category=blacktron1 | 18:19 |
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| genehacker2 | kanzure found a good book about microfluidics in the library | 18:28 |
| genehacker2 | it has information on microfluidic circuit design and stuff like putting catalysts in microfluidic channels | 18:29 |
| genehacker2 | the process is similar to how the monolith in that protein seperation paper was made | 18:30 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.springer.com/springerwiennewyork/chemistry/book/978-3-211-32994-8 | 18:36 |
| genehacker2 | think it might have some CFD tips too... | 18:36 |
| genehacker2 | it's on google books | 18:45 |
| genehacker2 | perhaps we could extract the whole book from google books if we all viewed different pages | 18:45 |
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| kanzure | classic humor: | 19:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=128827&PageSize=25&WhichPage=1 | 19:24 |
| kanzure | (from 2002) | 19:25 |
| fenn | lego assembly animations http://tubafrog.com/lego/index.php?id=157 | 19:26 |
| kanzure | .. in povray? what the fuck. | 19:28 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rabb218f7232c /import_tools/ (ldr2stl.py pyldraw-stl.py): pyldraw import tools added | 19:43 |
| fenn | this is pretty sweet http://youtube.com/watch?v=JNyiC6udVFk | 19:59 |
| fenn | can we import that into secondlife yet? | 19:59 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rd7c3ebe379cd /pymates/rapid-test.py: fixed pymates rapid-test module error | 20:00 |
| kanzure | The Sims: Legos | 20:01 |
| * fenn checks to see if it exists | 20:02 | |
| kanzure | well? | 20:03 |
| kanzure | all I see is "LEGO ROCK BAND" | 20:03 |
| kanzure | wtf are they thinking | 20:03 |
| fenn | search results inconclusive | 20:03 |
| fenn | what is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYTa-r8-QJM | 20:03 |
| kanzure | it's lego star wars | 20:04 |
| * kanzure has played. it sucked. | 20:04 | |
| kanzure | once on a game console, and once on a windows box | 20:05 |
| kanzure | the interface was terrible, and you couldn't really build stuff | 20:05 |
| kanzure | "role playing game" my ass | 20:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O61Do03ZCjw | 20:05 |
| kanzure | 15 million views? | 20:05 |
| kanzure | er. | 20:06 |
| kanzure | nevermind it's boring | 20:06 |
| kanzure | this is what I was thinking of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0t7MbeKVH8 | 20:07 |
| fenn | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/efficientlego | 20:15 |
| fenn | how to efficiently store legos | 20:15 |
| kanzure | quite evil | 20:16 |
| kanzure | lego radar | 20:16 |
| genehacker2 | does it use sonar or actual radar? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | no, lego radar is where you're able to detect legos in a giant pile | 20:18 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 20:20 |
| genehacker2 | hmmm | 20:20 |
| genehacker2 | I wonder | 20:20 |
| genehacker2 | are RFID chips cheap enough to do that? | 20:20 |
| fenn | http://search.ebay.com/439933932f | 20:21 |
| genehacker2 | mold a unique rfid chip into each lego so you can figure out where 'that piece' is and if you have enough | 20:23 |
| fenn | no, sadly | 20:23 |
| fenn | they are still about $0.5 each in quantity, more like $1.50 in consumer quantities | 20:24 |
| kanzure | fenn and I had a bet that you'd be talking about molding legos by midnight | 20:24 |
| kanzure | I seem to have won the bet | 20:24 |
| kanzure | fenn: you sir, owe me one pound of chocolate | 20:24 |
| genehacker2 | huh? | 20:25 |
| genehacker2 | why would you think that? | 20:25 |
| genehacker2 | molding lego bricks is really really hard | 20:25 |
| fenn | but making crappy lego bricks is easy | 20:25 |
| genehacker2 | and not something that people could reasonable do in a garage | 20:25 |
| kanzure | SLS | 20:25 |
| fenn | shirley you must be joking | 20:26 |
| kanzure | who's shirley? | 20:26 |
| genehacker2 | lego with SLS? | 20:26 |
| genehacker2 | that might be accurate enough | 20:26 |
| genehacker2 | but the texture sucks... | 20:26 |
| fenn | but who wouldn't want titanium legos? | 20:26 |
| fenn | genehacker2: seriously, why not reprap a lego brick? | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | that'd be EBM | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | electron beam melting | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | because reprap isn't accurate enough | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | lasers are not within reprap | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | 's universe yet | 20:27 |
| fenn | can't you just make it out of something more flexible? | 20:27 |
| genehacker2 | do what? | 20:27 |
| fenn | so the tolerances arent so tight | 20:27 |
| fenn | add more butadiene to the ABS mix | 20:28 |
| genehacker2 | that wouldn't be as fun | 20:28 |
| fenn | i won't be satisfied until i can download any harry potter character | 20:29 |
| genehacker2 | but I have thought of a way to get really accurate really smooth plastic parts in large quantities | 20:29 |
| genehacker2 | micromilling of aluminum molds | 20:29 |
| genehacker2 | you need really accurate actuators though | 20:29 |
| fenn | umm.. injection molding? | 20:29 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 20:29 |
| fenn | didnt you just say it was impossible to do? | 20:30 |
| fenn | (not like i believe you) | 20:30 |
| genehacker2 | well it wouldn't be impossible | 20:30 |
| genehacker2 | just really really hard | 20:30 |
| genehacker2 | but you can do gingery style plastic molding | 20:31 |
| fenn | blarf http://i.ebayimg.com/02/!BN1k(FwB2k~$(KGrHgoOKkQEjlLmWTSVBJrrl+Gdgg~~_12.JPG | 20:31 |
| genehacker2 | really slow and only works for small parts | 20:31 |
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| fenn | what's "gingery style" exactly? | 20:31 |
| fenn | i dont remember if i read the book or not | 20:32 |
| genehacker2 | hand lever powered injection molding or something like that | 20:32 |
| fenn | right, but why would that be slower? | 20:32 |
| genehacker2 | I don't know exactly but gingery did it | 20:32 |
| genehacker2 | it's not being done by an injection molding machine that can spit out lots of parts per second | 20:33 |
| genehacker2 | anyway why are you guys interested in lego all of a sudden? | 20:34 |
| fenn | because it has really simple interface description | 20:34 |
| fenn | and there are lots of models available | 20:34 |
| genehacker2 | and why didn't you do this sooner? | 20:34 |
| fenn | because. | 20:34 |
| kanzure | because I didn't realize that the models were creative commons licensed | 20:34 |
| genehacker2 | for automatic design | 20:34 |
| kanzure | regli did | 20:35 |
| kanzure | but that was in 2000 | 20:35 |
| genehacker2 | REALLY? | 20:35 |
| fenn | sorta | 20:35 |
| genehacker2 | they're creative commons liscensed? | 20:35 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:35 |
| fenn | the ldraw library is at least | 20:35 |
| fenn | i remember something in 2003 or so saying legos were finally free of the clutches of their corporate masters | 20:36 |
| fenn | patent expired or something | 20:36 |
| genehacker2 | well then that's good enough for me, now then find me a way to make a replicating CO2 laser tube so we can make an SLS machine | 20:36 |
| fenn | it used to be that other block systems were all intentionally incompatible | 20:36 |
| kanzure | aren't they still? | 20:36 |
| kanzure | incompatible, I mean | 20:36 |
| kanzure | intentionally incompatible, even | 20:36 |
| fenn | but still i dont think that means you can copy new designs | 20:37 |
| fenn | new mega-blox are compatible | 20:37 |
| kanzure | O.o | 20:37 |
| fenn | they're still colored wrong tho | 20:37 |
| kanzure | and that's all that matters, right | 20:37 |
| fenn | apparently it's really hard to make plastic pieces exactly the same color | 20:37 |
| genehacker2 | anyway what are you doing with lego so far? | 20:37 |
| genehacker2 | trying to automatically design basic mechanisms? | 20:38 |
| drazak | welp, I'm part of a lab now | 20:39 |
| genehacker2 | or are you going to make a lego clanking replicator? | 20:39 |
| kanzure | drazak: you're doomed | 20:41 |
| drazak | kanzure: I work with stemcells | 20:42 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/Visualization/html/classMeshVS__Mesh.html | 21:29 |
| fenn | more lego animations: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1zFaS7q-0Q | 21:30 |
| kanzure | RuntimeError: Standard_ProgramError | 21:37 |
| kanzure | thanks OCC! always helpful. | 21:38 |
| ybit | fav lego star wars vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw | 21:45 |
| ybit | star wars lego was mentioned.. so.. | 21:45 |
| kanzure | treat for the day: | 21:46 |
| kanzure | http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/library | 21:46 |
| kanzure | buh? Inexpensive diode laser modulation at microwave frequencies for sideband generation to use for laser atom cooling and trapping.pdf | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | heh, nice long filename that one | 21:53 |
| kanzure | Reduction of Skin Impedance by the Improvement of the Blood Circulation.pdf | 21:54 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: have you even seen heybryan.org/books/papers/ ? | 21:54 |
| kanzure | :p | 21:54 |
| QuantumG | I do remember looking at it :) | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | is there robots.txt on that? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | no | 21:56 |
| kanzure | :) | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | sweet | 21:56 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: there's a faster download on adl.serveftp.org/papers/ | 21:56 |
| kanzure | in particular the 3.4 GB tar file | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | I'll get right on that | 21:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://192.168.1.123/books/papers/Determining%20interference%20between%20parts%20in%20CAD%20STEP%20files%20for%20automatic%20assembly%20planning.pdf Determining interference between parts in CAD STEP files for automatic assembly planning.pdf | 21:59 |
| kanzure | guess I should get around to reading that again soon | 21:59 |
| kanzure | 1328./Induction of fertile male flowers in genetically female Cannabis sativa plants by silver nitrate and silver thiosulphate anionic complex.pdf | 22:02 |
| kanzure | Lacking Control Increases Illusory Pattern Perception.pdf | 22:03 |
| ybit | ergoemacs is nice, anyone tried it? | 22:44 |
| ybit | nice find kanzure, concerning legos organization | 22:46 |
| ybit | hmm did i just imagine this or did smari talk about him thinking about the big picture of skdb/tb? | 22:56 |
| ybit | 20:32 < Smari> I've been actively thinking about the big picture of what we're doing all day. I drew diagrams. Managed to simplify a few things, draw logical connections, figure out a few structural points... most of it is the IIS/supply chain side of things.. | 22:56 |
| ybit | phew, thought i was imagining things | 22:56 |
| ybit | did he happen to commit his thoughts as a note to the repo? fenn, kanzure? | 22:57 |
| fenn | hmm this reminds me of my random line-segment/arc generator script i wrote today: http://ffffound.com/image/9d09280b62b266107e4909d11aff5984bd543ba7?c=41913 | 23:05 |
| fenn | ybit: i never saw any notes from smari | 23:07 |
| ybit | will have to ask for them, i'm sure he wanted to share | 23:07 |
| genehacker2 | kanzure so I was looking over your DNA synthesizer notes and I found a problem | 23:15 |
| genehacker2 | we can't just combine nucleosides and NPPOC-Cl | 23:17 |
| genehacker2 | we have to combine nucleosides with this protecting group on them: | 23:17 |
| genehacker2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tert-Butyldiphenylsilyl | 23:17 |
| genehacker2 | and remove that protecting group with this: | 23:18 |
| fenn | ooo purty http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/method.cfm | 23:19 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB9356360.htm | 23:19 |
| ybit | 13:34 < genehacker2> so that bolonkin guy I was talking about | 23:20 |
| ybit | 13:34 < genehacker2> he is wrong | 23:20 |
| ybit | 13:35 < genehacker2> and I know why now | 23:20 |
| ybit | why? | 23:20 |
| fenn | A set of 10 million receipts from a large DIY store were processed so as to link together items that often appear on the same receipt. The resultant network of 40K nodes and many links has several important variables associated with the nodes; price, discount, volume, department. | 23:20 |
| genehacker2 | and then add another protecting group by adding | 23:20 |
| ybit | you never explained your thoughts | 23:20 |
| ybit | and i'm curious to hear them | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | β-cyanoethyl N,N-bis(diisopropylamino)chlorophosphine | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | oh that? | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | well that bolonkin dude proposed a way of levitating in earth's magnetic field using a superconducting wire shielded by a superconducting magnetic field | 23:21 |
| ybit | right | 23:22 |
| genehacker2 | the idea is that the lorentz force on the wire that isn't shielded should be enough to lift the device into the air and the lorentz force on the wire that's shielded should be nothing | 23:22 |
| genehacker2 | it is nothing | 23:23 |
| fenn | so how is that wrong? | 23:23 |
| genehacker2 | but the wire generates a magnetic field that the superconductor shields by setting up a current in the superconductor | 23:23 |
| genehacker2 | this current goes in such a way that on the outside of the superconductor, it's going in the same direction as the wire inside | 23:24 |
| fenn | i think it would work if you have a big enough loop and are in northern latitudes (or southern) | 23:24 |
| genehacker2 | so the lorentz force ends up acting on the superconducting shield instead | 23:25 |
| fenn | another way to get around it is to use the ionosphere as the return loop | 23:25 |
| genehacker2 | though he also proposes using ferromagnetic magnetic shielding, which is less efficient(the magnetic field doesn't go all the way to zero on the inside) | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | which might work | 23:26 |
| fenn | or just any old ionized plasma really | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | according to this at least: | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA273824&sa=U&start=8&ei=GM9vStb1JNC3lAe4oKDJBQ&sig2=i1vRy1mwdXW3h-ugosacDw&usg=AFQjCNGk63Jv5wksOhCrya25IvvvciD6fw | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | but i'm not so sure | 23:27 |
| ybit | did jonathin cline and david treadwell ever do anything with the circuit printing from inkjet printers? | 23:27 |
| ybit | it turned into a 'hey let's meet up for lunch' thread | 23:27 |
| genehacker2 | yeah but fenn the ionosphere has resistance superconductors don't | 23:27 |
| fenn | if they did they aren't saying | 23:27 |
| fenn | genehacker2: well why don't you just throw an AB-superreactor at it | 23:28 |
| fenn | one that converts matter to antimatter (using AB-matter in the process of course) | 23:28 |
| genehacker2 | huh? | 23:28 |
| fenn | it's possible according to the laws of physics! | 23:28 |
| genehacker2 | because no on' | 23:29 |
| genehacker2 | *one has made AB matter | 23:29 |
| QuantumG | a what now? | 23:29 |
| fenn | QuantumG: i'm mocking bolonkin, if that weren't clear | 23:29 |
| QuantumG | ahh | 23:29 |
| QuantumG | I got him removed from wikipedia | 23:29 |
| QuantumG | did you see? | 23:29 |
| genehacker2 | nah | 23:29 |
| fenn | no, why? | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | biography of a living person | 23:30 |
| fenn | what's wrong with that? | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | orphaned | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | no third party verification | 23:30 |
| fenn | i don't get deletionists | 23:30 |
| genehacker2 | oh nice | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | he's a dick trying to use wikipedia to improve his credibility | 23:31 |
| fenn | then you should say that instead of just deleting everything | 23:31 |
| QuantumG | well, if I had added that to his page then he would have complained and then the admins would have removed it anyway | 23:31 |
| fenn | meh | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | so I just cut out the middleman | 23:32 |
| genehacker2 | anyway five bucks to whoever shows that using a ferromagnetic magnetic shield to shield half of a current loop does or doesn't create a net force | 23:32 |
| fenn | genehacker2: to what degree of precision | 23:33 |
| genehacker2 | ??? | 23:33 |
| fenn | i assume you mean with a magnetic field perpendicular to the axis of the coil | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | and shield | 23:34 |
| fenn | you know metallic objects distort magnetic field lines right? | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | yes | 23:34 |
| fenn | metallic objects such as ... ferromagnetic shields | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | I know | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | that's how they work | 23:34 |
| fenn | so, uh.. it's a difficult experiment | 23:35 |
| genehacker2 | not really | 23:35 |
| genehacker2 | just get yourself a nice big ferrite wrap some copper wire around it put some current through it and put in uniform magnetic field | 23:38 |
| fenn | note to self: check out diseasome and gephi | 23:38 |
| genehacker2 | check to see if there's a net force | 23:38 |
| fenn | http://ffffound.com/image/65ea9b1c2e1197aa3fce7f8d0e2e936865dfe861?c=50714 | 23:42 |
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