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| Ian_Daniher | http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=11638 | 01:01 |
| Ian_Daniher | X.x | 01:02 |
| Ian_Daniher | bad press for DIY bio work | 01:02 |
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| genehacker | cool and practical are what I pick | 04:30 |
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| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: Meredith is a good friend of ours in here. | 07:01 |
| kanzure | she sometimes comes in and commits code etc. | 07:02 |
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| kanzure | faboo | 07:22 |
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| kanzure | http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/goku152008/dragonball%20evolution/jhg.jpg | 07:40 |
| kanzure | good times .. http://web.archive.org/web/20021205011038/animeu.hey.nu/index2.php | 07:41 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20020601133734/http://www.jpavg.com/~au/ | 07:44 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20020924020150/animeu.hey.nu/index.php?a=multiverse&valid_user=&password=&color1=373637&color2=202020 | 08:00 |
| kanzure | hahah | 08:01 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20020930222119/animeu.hey.nu/index.php?a=ranks&valid_user=&password=&color1=373637&color2=202020 | 08:01 |
| kanzure | yeah that's definitely over 9000 | 08:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: paths.py seg faults on "random sweep". er, at least, it did the first time but not the second time. | 08:19 |
| kanzure | "prototype vehicle for the blind: | 08:36 |
| kanzure | "prototype vehicle for the blind: How are they going to know when I flip them the bird? Do I have to make chirping noises? | 08:36 |
| kanzure | template.yaml seems to have some issues for skdb/packages/legos/ | 08:52 |
| kanzure | I'm not entirely sure how to specify "there could be any number of interfaces, but they are all of either type Peg or type Hole" | 08:52 |
| kanzure | because previously in skdb/packages/screw/template.yaml, we just said "they all have only these three interfaces. suck it." | 08:53 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Fundamental%20lego%20lengths.pdf | 09:08 |
| kanzure | oh I guess you can also see that on the web here: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~elec201/Book/legos.html | 09:09 |
| kanzure | homemade lego pneumatic air muscle: http://www.stop4stuff.com/lego/technic/pneumatic/air-muscle/ | 09:09 |
| kanzure | "Worn-out molds are encased in the foundations of buildings to prevent them from falling into competitors' hands." hahah | 09:12 |
| kanzure | 600 pieces per second of manufacturing? jeebus | 09:13 |
| kanzure | "To put this in context, if all the Lego bricks ever produced were to be divided equally among a world population of six billion, each person would have 62 Lego bricks." | 09:13 |
| kanzure | er, does anyone have lego dimensions/specs? | 09:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.lugnet.com/~330/FAQ/Build/dimensions | 09:14 |
| kanzure | "The actual dimension (rather than the ratios) can be determined by carefully measuring a properly constructed “wall” of bricks. Vertical dimensions are prone to error caused by sloppy stacking, but long horizontal walls constructed from two or more layers of overlapping bricks are not prone to such error. A wall of this type built from Technic beams made in the late 1990’s shows that the stud pitch distance is 7.986 millimeters, plus or minus 2 microns, when the parts are at 25 degrees centigrade (77 degrees Farenheit). " | 09:14 |
| kanzure | heh they included the temperature | 09:14 |
| kanzure | lego minifig dimensions: http://snively.blogspot.com/2009/04/lego-minifig-dimensions.html | 09:23 |
| kanzure | the uncertainty seems to be 0.01mm | 09:23 |
| kanzure | although fillets are guessed | 09:23 |
| kanzure | I have no idea if the thigh dimension (R3.54) is a radius or not, because the line goes across the part.. | 09:24 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know how far away from the edge of a brick that pegs begin to start? | 09:54 |
| kanzure | stud diameter is 4.5mm, stud height is 1.7mm.. blah. | 09:56 |
| kanzure | lego earth: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3609309331_0255153126.jpg?v=0 heh | 10:00 |
| kanzure | which is from: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kohsuke/archive/2009/06/afterjavaone_pr.html | 10:00 |
| kanzure | I guess I can assume that they are evenly spaced | 10:01 |
| kanzure | otherwise what's the point? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | spacing of stud centers: 8mm | 10:02 |
| kanzure | so stud center spacing - stud diameter = 3 mm from the edge of one peg to the edge of another peg/stud | 10:02 |
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| kanzure | oops. the spacing would be 3mm+2.5mm=5.5mm from the edge. so 0.5mm from the perimeter of a peg to the nearest edge of the brick? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | that looks about right: http://ny-image0.etsy.com/il_430xN.69299132.jpg | 10:15 |
| kanzure | harkopen sucks | 10:27 |
| fenn | hey shouldnt you be writing a yaml file instead of saying these dimensions into the channel? | 10:30 |
| fenn | is that a tongue ring? | 10:31 |
| fenn | no it would be too pointy | 10:31 |
| * fenn wonders why people would want to poke holes in various body parts | 10:32 | |
| kanzure | to let out all the hot air | 10:32 |
| Phreedom | fenn: because the hole they already have doesn't have a sufficient throughput? ;) | 10:32 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * ra9aa78d4814a /packages/legos/ (9 files): first go at a package for legos | 10:33 |
| kanzure | I don't know what to do with skdb/packages/legos/dimensions.yaml | 10:33 |
| fenn | i wonder if the stud pitch is due to shrinkage when the brick cools in the mold | 10:35 |
| fenn | why it's not exactly 8mm | 10:35 |
| kanzure | what is stud pitch? | 10:35 |
| fenn | the distance between studs | 10:35 |
| kanzure | oh | 10:35 |
| kanzure | spacing of stud centers: 8mm | 10:36 |
| kanzure | stud pitch: 7.985mm | 10:36 |
| kanzure | ok, I should have guessed they were the same variable | 10:36 |
| fenn | er, yeah. the distance between stud centers | 10:36 |
| fenn | i guess i should actually go measure one | 10:36 |
| kanzure | please do | 10:36 |
| kanzure | getting measurements from across the web is totally suck | 10:36 |
| kanzure | people don't know how to figure out uncertainties | 10:36 |
| fenn | well, i dont know how to figure out uncertainties either | 10:37 |
| kanzure | wtf | 10:37 |
| fenn | supposedly a caliper is accurate to +- 0.001inch but how do i really know that? | 10:37 |
| kanzure | no, that's not how you do it | 10:37 |
| fenn | eh? | 10:38 |
| kanzure | a guide for the estimation of uncertainty of dimensional calibration: http://www.a2la.org/guidance/est_mu_dimen.pdf | 10:38 |
| fenn | you want a statistical sampling of bricks? | 10:38 |
| fenn | i'm so not reading that | 10:39 |
| kanzure | once I was taught how to figure out the uncertainty of analog calipers, somehow involving the number of markings on one of the lengths of the device | 10:40 |
| kanzure | but that's not a digital caliper | 10:40 |
| kanzure | "As a good rule of thumb, the uncertainty of a measuring device is 50% of the least count" | 10:41 |
| kanzure | "Recall that the least count is the smallest subdivision given on the measuring device." | 10:41 |
| kanzure | heh I like how diybio-boston is planning to have an "impromptu" meeting at igem 2009 | 10:44 |
| kanzure | "we hereby plan to have an unplanned meeting the week of.." | 10:44 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r4498a52d2395 / (9 files in 4 dirs): make the legos package work, add a method to pymates, update todo | 10:55 |
| kanzure | oops, forgot to edit __init__.py | 10:55 |
| kanzure | grr | 10:55 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r714de8f3abbc /packages/legos/__init__.py: fixed __init__.py error because of interfaces being moved around | 10:56 |
| kanzure | cd skdb/packages/legos/ ; py.test test_legos.py #tests pass. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | of course, the tests are totally nonsense at the moment :) | 10:57 |
| kanzure | this is all kind of pointless since you still can't interactively add legos together under pymates. wah. | 10:58 |
| kanzure | maybe I'll write the CAD generator in legos.py? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | and then load up some bricks by using the package. mmm. | 10:58 |
| kanzure | slightly more awesome than just using pyldraw.. but the library of parts will be smaller. | 10:58 |
| fenn | well that was totally futile | 11:01 |
| kanzure | no legos? | 11:01 |
| fenn | the toolbox in j-lab is gone (no sign of calipers anywhere) | 11:01 |
| kanzure | on the third floor on the hallway opposite to the hallway with our water fountain, there is an office for Mr. Wood | 11:01 |
| kanzure | he lends out digital calipers | 11:01 |
| kanzure | Billy Wood, I think | 11:02 |
| fenn | why would that be more awesome than pyldraw? | 11:03 |
| kanzure | because it's homemade :) | 11:04 |
| kanzure | er. | 11:04 |
| kanzure | also pyldraw is slow when using my stl exporters etc. | 11:04 |
| fenn | does ldraw have interface information? | 11:04 |
| kanzure | no | 11:04 |
| fenn | how does it know where to move stuff | 11:04 |
| kanzure | it's all just rotations | 11:04 |
| kanzure | er, and offsets | 11:05 |
| fenn | that's still better than doing it from scratch | 11:05 |
| kanzure | yeah I think we can do something like "offset checking" as well for the legos package | 11:05 |
| fenn | meaning what exactly? | 11:05 |
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| fenn | he didn't die :) | 11:06 |
| kanzure | tito claims that he built a lab for his iGEM project at brown .. but when I asked him what he built, he just ran away to a meeting (just a few seconds ago) | 11:06 |
| kanzure | anyway, | 11:06 |
| kanzure | "offset checking" isn't what we should use I guess | 11:06 |
| kanzure | it's not really checking | 11:06 |
| kanzure | the way that ldraw does things is that it seems to just say "ok put it at an offset of 8 pegs" | 11:06 |
| kanzure | I'll have to look at the file format more closely | 11:07 |
| * ybit didn't die but some of his screen sessions did due to a power surge | 11:07 | |
| fenn | .. and then check if there's an interface at 8 pegs? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | something like that :) | 11:07 |
| kanzure | yeah sure, that's a good idea | 11:07 |
| * ybit refers to himself in third person often | 11:07 | |
| kanzure | I guess this would be a "simplified assembly yaml format" | 11:07 |
| kanzure | (for representing a lego assembly thingy) | 11:07 |
| fenn | i think assembly should just spit out the coordinates (unless its indeterminate, like plugging in cables or something) | 11:08 |
| fenn | i guess we could do both | 11:08 |
| fenn | list the connections, and also the coordinates | 11:09 |
| fenn | that way if you lose or change some configuration you still have some data lying around | 11:09 |
| fenn | should i go find this mister wood? | 11:09 |
| kanzure | call him billy, he's no "Mr." | 11:09 |
| fenn | ok | 11:09 |
| kanzure | er, he's not one to prefer "Mr." | 11:09 |
| kanzure | yeah he might be around | 11:10 |
| kanzure | in skdb/packages/legos/data.yaml, if you move around the interfaces, it's ok because they currently have a name attribute ('peg1', 'peg2') | 11:10 |
| kanzure | however, one idea I documented in there is just putting a "size" attribute | 11:10 |
| kanzure | the size:2x2 attribute would tell the lego class to make a generic 2x2 brick or something | 11:11 |
| kanzure | and this would then spit out a number of interfaces, | 11:11 |
| kanzure | and each one having a name that goes in a certain order | 11:11 |
| kanzure | such that the top left peg is peg1, and the bottom right is the last peg, or something. | 11:11 |
| kanzure | in some cases lego pieces will not be able to be generated from simple information like "2x2" or "2x4" (since they aren't just a brick) | 11:11 |
| kanzure | so I'm not so sure about spitting out coordinates. I guess a "full dump" should also be an option, but not preferable unless you want to do some sort of long term storage. | 11:12 |
| kanzure | er all of it should be long term storage :p | 11:12 |
| kanzure | ls -I=*.pyc is my friend | 11:14 |
| fenn | not there | 11:16 |
| kanzure | fooey | 11:16 |
| fenn | how about a new unit for 7.985mm | 11:17 |
| kanzure | what? | 11:17 |
| kanzure | 7985 microns? | 11:17 |
| fenn | um. for describing individual lego bricks | 11:17 |
| kanzure | FLU = fundamental lego unit | 11:18 |
| fenn | 1 stud = 7.985mm | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "fundamental lego unit" gets 34 results on google | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "A Fundamental LEGO Unit (FLU) is equivalent to the length of a LEGO nub" | 11:18 |
| fenn | so your brick would have dimensions height: 1.666FLU width: 2FLU length: 4FLU | 11:19 |
| kanzure | 2x2 brick? | 11:19 |
| fenn | 2x4 | 11:19 |
| kanzure | "your brick" ? | 11:19 |
| fenn | huh? | 11:19 |
| kanzure | you said "your brick" | 11:19 |
| fenn | just an example brick | 11:19 |
| kanzure | ok | 11:19 |
| kanzure | FLU doesn't look pretty | 11:20 |
| fenn | 2x4 was the original brick | 11:20 |
| kanzure | 'stud' at least gives you some indication of where the fuck it comes from | 11:20 |
| fenn | how bout just 'lego'? | 11:20 |
| kanzure | namespace conflict with the tag? | 11:21 |
| kanzure | might confuse people | 11:21 |
| fenn | no | 11:21 |
| fenn | lego is a unit | 11:21 |
| kanzure | oh? | 11:21 |
| fenn | tag would be !lego or something | 11:21 |
| kanzure | ok | 11:21 |
| kanzure | sure, lego is fine | 11:21 |
| kanzure | FLU = 5/16in | 11:22 |
| fenn | bah | 11:22 |
| kanzure | ? | 11:22 |
| fenn | there's no way some danish guy is going to measure things in inches | 11:22 |
| kanzure | heh it's ok I prefer metric anyway | 11:23 |
| fenn | oops height is actually 1.2lego | 11:23 |
| kanzure | er, in which case are you going to use the "lego" unit anyway? | 11:23 |
| kanzure | it's not exactly clear to me | 11:24 |
| fenn | stud pitch | 11:24 |
| kanzure | why is that so special? | 11:24 |
| kanzure | It Just Is? | 11:24 |
| fenn | because it's the basic dimension everything is based on? | 11:24 |
| kanzure | is it? | 11:25 |
| fenn | yeah | 11:25 |
| kanzure | some of these other dimensions seem to have weird coefficients if they are to be converted to lego units | 11:25 |
| fenn | it's not brick width because the bricks have to be undersized to fit together | 11:25 |
| kanzure | how did they come up with these dimension decisions anyway? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | statistical probability of choking hazard? | 11:26 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rb61402513538 /supplemental_units.dat: added fundamental lego unit | 11:26 |
| fenn | 8mm? | 11:27 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 11:27 |
| fenn | the original legos came with a toy wooden pickup truck | 11:27 |
| fenn | it was probably totally arbitrary | 11:27 |
| kanzure | yeah let's not use nice round numbers | 11:28 |
| kanzure | :p | 11:28 |
| fenn | 8mm is not round? | 11:28 |
| kanzure | not sure 8mm is correct | 11:28 |
| kanzure | the stud pitch measurement claims 7.985mm | 11:28 |
| kanzure | so that's +-.115 of error. kinda big. | 11:28 |
| fenn | there may be digital calipers in my toolbox | 11:29 |
| fenn | .015mm is not big | 11:29 |
| kanzure | genehacker has some.. so if he shows up today with a utexas hostname, maybe you can get him to ride the elevator up and lend them | 11:29 |
| kanzure | er, .015mm yes sorry | 11:29 |
| kanzure | ok, yeah, not big | 11:30 |
| kanzure | let's not repeat what happened yesterday: divide&conquer.. | 11:30 |
| fenn | so that's why i'm skeptical it's actually the unit of measure | 11:30 |
| fenn | what happened yesterday? i tried to use opencascade? | 11:30 |
| kanzure | no, we both wrote different make_arrow() methods :p | 11:31 |
| kanzure | and wasted time doing it | 11:31 |
| kanzure | so if you want to work on skdb/packages/legos/ that's fine, I sprinkled in notes everywhere indicating wtf should be done next | 11:31 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to figure out what I should be doing for now | 11:31 |
| fenn | omfg those bastards | 11:32 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belville_(Lego) | 11:32 |
| fenn | even worse than bionicle | 11:32 |
| kanzure | oh maybe I'll make pymates' tests (tests.py, test_part.py, rapid-test.py) use data from the packages instead of data from skdb/pymates/models/ | 11:32 |
| kanzure | how do I do that? tests would have to "import skdb.packages.legos" .. but then the skdb codebase is dependent on the packages, which we want to eventually separate right? | 11:33 |
| kanzure | hahah Lego Ninja theme :) | 11:35 |
| fenn | wow Lego Scala is even worse than Belville (can you believe it?) | 11:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: is it ok if pymates unit tests are dependent on packages? | 11:37 |
| fenn | sure | 11:37 |
| kanzure | hm it seems pymates.py still has some unvariablized information left over.. yeah that should be fixed hehe. | 11:39 |
| fenn | this could be useful (set inventories) http://www.peeron.com/inv | 11:39 |
| kanzure | not loading | 11:39 |
| kanzure | there we go.. | 11:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.peeron.com/inv/master.txt | 11:40 |
| fenn | example inventory http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/21004-1 | 11:41 |
| kanzure | I think we should not do lego its :p | 11:42 |
| kanzure | *kits | 11:42 |
| kanzure | simply because of the legal implications | 11:42 |
| kanzure | lego group has been known to be much like the Empire of Star Wars | 11:42 |
| kanzure | *in Star Wars | 11:42 |
| kanzure | "Added to peeron.com on Thu, Jul 30, 2009." huh | 11:42 |
| fenn | well we have to do some kind of assembly or what's the point | 11:43 |
| kanzure | ok ok | 11:43 |
| kanzure | we just won't sell thee particular kits | 11:43 |
| kanzure | *these | 11:43 |
| fenn | i dont really care if it's an official lego kit or not | 11:43 |
| kanzure | ok great | 11:43 |
| fenn | the list of part names and so on is useful tho | 11:44 |
| kanzure | ldraw has its own list btw | 11:44 |
| kanzure | but anyway. | 11:44 |
| fenn | what i havent been able to figure out is whether ldraw's part number are the same as lego company | 11:45 |
| kanzure | did you try to figure it out? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | the method would be: look at catalog number in ldraw, look at part on lego.com | 11:46 |
| fenn | well, find me a part on lego.com | 11:46 |
| kanzure | http://shop.lego.com/ByCatalog/onlinecat.aspx?c=33 | 11:47 |
| kanzure | ew its in flash | 11:47 |
| fenn | see i think lego.com only sells kits | 11:48 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure it's possible to order individual bricks | 11:48 |
| kanzure | http://lego.richfx.com/catalog_lego/january2009/ | 11:48 |
| fenn | hmm @ http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/colors/ | 11:54 |
| fenn | wow these new technic kits hardly even have any bricks in them | 12:04 |
| fenn | actually i think this kit doesn't have any bricks at all | 12:04 |
| fenn | ok it has 13 bricks | 12:09 |
| fenn | and a bazillion other parts | 12:09 |
| fenn | http://www.bong69.com/pages/parts-catalog.php | 12:11 |
| drazak | kanzure: how's it coming? | 12:12 |
| fenn | partscatalog is GPL | 12:14 |
| fenn | strange that he doesn't have a link for source code | 12:14 |
| fenn | hmm | 12:16 |
| fenn | "Parts Catalog is written in Delphi 4. So... if there is a Kylix programer out there that would like t | 12:16 |
| fenn | port it to linux, Please let me know and I will send you the source code | 12:16 |
| fenn | meh. i'm not that attached to it | 12:17 |
| fenn | something about timesheets | 12:19 |
| kanzure | timesheets? | 12:20 |
| * drazak sits on kanzure | 12:25 | |
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| kanzure | "From the time being we also suggest you to remove your vitae from the Internet ( http://heybryan.org/resume/2008-09-21_resume.pdf )." | 12:46 |
| kanzure | the email came from live.com ? | 12:46 |
| kanzure | Received: from BLU123-W27 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); | 12:47 |
| kanzure | fuck you ybit, why'd you have to add my email address to /papers | 12:49 |
| drazak | so apparently my research project is going to be the differentation of mscs into caridomyoblasts | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "sincerely, The organization." | 12:51 |
| kanzure | who the hell writes emails like that | 12:51 |
| kanzure | "We are an organization preventing young people like you from being victim of the legal system. At your young age, you are not very careful with the content you put on the Internet. As you may know, the Internet access is international." | 12:51 |
| kanzure | "Recently, a paper was published on the creation of sperm-like cells (see Nature http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090729/full/news.2009.646.html ). | 12:51 |
| kanzure | However, this paper was retracted (Nature http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090730/full/news.2009.753.html ) by Graham C. Parker, Ph.D. from the journal Stem Cells and Development (Publisher: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/scd.2009.0063 , doi: 10.1089/scd.2009.006, pubmed:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19583494 ). Presumably, the paper was not retracted because of its fraudulent content, but because of competitors in the USA unwilling to be spectators of such an amazing discovery." | 12:51 |
| kanzure | "We searched the web with the query string 'In Vitro Derivation of Human Sperm from Embryonic Stem Cells, type: pdf' on google and found that you are hosting the very retracted paper." | 12:51 |
| kanzure | We suggest you to erase it (we are not the publisher) to avoid being the target of legal threats. These legal threats could come from the following bodies: | 12:52 |
| kanzure | North East England Stem Cell Institute in Newcastle; | 12:52 |
| kanzure | University of Newcastle; | 12:52 |
| kanzure | Biology of Reproduction (journal); | 12:52 |
| kanzure | Embryonic Stem Cells (journal); | 12:52 |
| kanzure | and possibly authors, funding agencies, etc. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | From the time being we also suggest you to remove your vitae from the Internet ( http://heybryan.org/resume/2008-09-21_resume.pdf ). | 12:52 |
| kanzure | We wish you success in life. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | sincerely, | 12:52 |
| kanzure | The organization. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | p.s.: we did not notify any other bodies, but chances are that others will also search the web for the exact same thing. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | p.s.2: please confirm the reception of this mail. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | who sends that kind of email from a hotmail account? | 12:53 |
| kanzure | the paper in question: | 12:54 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/In%20vitro%20derivation%20of%20human%20sperm%20from%20embryonic%20stem%20cells.pdf | 12:54 |
| drazak | kanzure: I would change your robots.txt so that they can't search papers | 12:57 |
| fenn | why was the paper retracted? | 12:57 |
| kanzure | see sperm_from_esc.zip | 12:59 |
| fenn | "because of competitors in the USA unwilling to be spectators of such an amazing discovery." | 13:00 |
| fenn | wtf is that supposed to mean? | 13:00 |
| fenn | plagiarism? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | "The journal's editor-in-chief Graham Parker says he took the radical step on 27 July because two paragraphs in the introduction of the paper, entitled 'In Vitro Derivation of Human Sperm from Embryonic Stem Cells',1 had been plagiarised from a 2007 review published in another journal, Biology of Reproduction.2" | 13:01 |
| kanzure | what the email said hardly says that | 13:01 |
| kanzure | plagiarism != "unwilling to be spectators of such an amazing discovery" | 13:01 |
| fenn | that's a stupid reason to retract a paper | 13:02 |
| fenn | i mean its not like they didnt do the science | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "Although the text of the article modestly refers to these as "sperm-like cells" with "tail-like structures", its title, and the press release which accompanied its publication, refer baldly to human sperm." | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "Nayernia declined to comment to Nature, but an official statement from the university says that the paper's original first author, Jae Ho Lee, a postdoc who has since left the university, was responsible for the plagiarism and has apologized to the authors. "No question has been raised about the science conducted or the conclusions of the research," according to the statement. "The name of Dr Lee has been removed from the first authorship," the statement continues. "The paper will now be submitted to another peer-reviewed academic journal."" | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "The statement also says that the "correct version of the manuscript, upon the request of the journal's editor, had been immediately submitted to the journal during the process of proof reading"." | 13:03 |
| kanzure | "The paper had been published online 'ahead of editing' to avoid undue delay, with proofreading happening after publication to correct textual or copy-editing errors, explains Parker. "But plagiarism can come to light at any point in the publishing process," he says. "Proofing isn't a magical stage that allows authors to correct any inappropriate acts."" | 13:03 |
| fenn | do these people not understand what 'publish' means? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | so if I had this paper in my personal (private) reading collection, and it was "retracted", am I supposed to delete it? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | is that how "retraction" works? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | how does google find 14k results for site:adl.serveftp.org ? | 13:09 |
| fenn | i believe you were supposed to download the DRM version which checks back with the copyright police to make sure everything is locked up good | 13:09 |
| fenn | that does seem a bit high | 13:09 |
| ybit | why would they want your resume removed? | 13:11 |
| ybit | that's stupid | 13:11 |
| fenn | so bad guys can't figure out who own the site | 13:11 |
| kanzure | to me these people seem like the "bad guys" ("The organization") | 13:12 |
| kanzure | not much of an organization if they have to use hotmail | 13:12 |
| ybit | um.. whois? | 13:12 |
| fenn | it all sounds quite odd | 13:12 |
| fenn | Nature would just send you a cease and desist notice | 13:12 |
| kanzure | as if the retraction wasn't odd enough | 13:12 |
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| kanzure | hello Traveler11 | 13:16 |
| kanzure | icmb.utexas.edu? | 13:16 |
| Traveler11 | who am i | 13:16 |
| kanzure | jonathan | 13:16 |
| Traveler11 | oh | 13:16 |
| kanzure | is that you jonathan? | 13:16 |
| Traveler11 | why I'm traveller11? | 13:16 |
| ybit | kanzure: do you want me to change the email to go an alias? | 13:17 |
| kanzure | you can change your name by typing /nick (something) | 13:17 |
| ybit | +to | 13:17 |
| Traveler11 | yeah i'm in the lab heading out to lunch | 13:17 |
| kanzure | ybit: I think the file should be deleted | 13:17 |
| kanzure | Traveler11: sorry, I'm not on campus today.. fenn is though. | 13:17 |
| ybit | alright | 13:17 |
| -!- Traveler11 is now known as nickyourself | 13:17 | |
| ybit | done | 13:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: you around? | 13:18 |
| -!- nickyourself is now known as jonathancline | 13:19 | |
| jonathancline | spam me. | 13:19 |
| ybit | well if it isn't the laser printer microfluidics guy himself | 13:19 |
| kanzure | *what the fuck* | 13:19 |
| kanzure | "The organization" sent me a follow up email | 13:19 |
| ybit | jonathancline: i meant to email you the other day | 13:19 |
| ybit | lol, please paste kanzure | 13:20 |
| fenn | yar | 13:20 |
| kanzure | We are the organization, | 13:20 |
| kanzure | Our mission is to watch over the Internet. We alert kids like you whose behavior is wild on the bold Internet. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | Our funds come from Zeal, and we are powered by the great Lavos. Each week, we download the Internet on an USB hard disk of infinite volume. Then, our team of monkeys and donkeys randomly analyzes with great caution the content of the Internet (on the USB hard disk, of course). We are using state-of-the-art computer software on a cutting-edge installation of Microsoft Windows 7 to dig out the data. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | Our sister organizations include notably http://www.4chan.org/ and http://www.reddit.com/ and http://icanhascheezburger.com/. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | You can get a picture of our most imminent members here: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/funny-pictures-cats-have-a-spaz-attack.jpg | 13:20 |
| kanzure | They are in charge of supervising the monkeys and the donkeys. These lol cats were selected in regard to their superior genetic landscape. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | We hope this short description of our organization fulfilled your burning desire to learn about us. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | The organization. | 13:20 |
| fenn | pwnt | 13:20 |
| kanzure | *what the fuck* | 13:20 |
| jonathancline | forward to fox mulder | 13:20 |
| jonathancline | fenn, lunch? | 13:21 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rbf82aa43d591 /packages/screw/screw.py: some changes to the screw package | 13:21 |
| fenn | jonathancline: please input geospatiotemporal coordinates | 13:21 |
| jonathancline | btw ellington reaffirmed his goals in a lab meeting today, he wants to refocus on big things like.. augmentation | 13:22 |
| kanzure | neat | 13:22 |
| kanzure | how goes autogene? or whatever the hell it's called | 13:22 |
| kanzure | levy's eternal project | 13:22 |
| jonathancline | fenn: i'm in mbb now, so anything is a couple blocks walk is ok | 13:23 |
| jonathancline | he mentioned genomid | 13:23 |
| fenn | you like that mediterranean place on 24th right? shall i meet you there or at mbb? | 13:24 |
| jonathancline | a plasmid but for an entire genome insertion | 13:24 |
| ybit | jonathancline: i meant to send you an email, but it seems it was just saved as a draft. jonathancline, did you and treadwell ever get further along with the circuit printing inkjet printer idea? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | not sure how "entire genome insertion" would fare with plasma membranes .. which are not entirely "replicated" per-se. | 13:24 |
| * ybit didn't sleep much, so excuse the redundancy | 13:24 | |
| jonathancline | ybit: never heard from him, I am ready to order an ink tho | 13:25 |
| fenn | kanzure rosalie wants timesheets today :\ | 13:25 |
| kanzure | fenn: what the fuck? | 13:25 |
| jonathancline | ybit: i should send him some q's | 13:25 |
| kanzure | jonathancline: be sure to ask fenn about our latest skdb/legos foray | 13:25 |
| kanzure | fenn: guess I'll call rosalie and see what's up | 13:25 |
| jonathancline | fenn: sounds good for persian. i'll meet u there | 13:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: I can be there at 3 PM. is that ok? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | or will rosalie not accept timesheets? | 13:27 |
| fenn | i think you should ask her | 13:27 |
| fenn | i can fill in some numbers and other scribbly marks *hint* | 13:27 |
| jonathancline | my lab pc has been spidering "nature biotechnology" in the backgrund.. for 9 days straight | 13:28 |
| kanzure | jonathancline: have you seen 'pyscholar' yet? | 13:28 |
| kanzure | it's my python-based wrappers for zotero | 13:28 |
| kanzure | so that you can use it outside of firefox | 13:28 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pyscholar | 13:29 |
| jonathancline | os/x rocks for viewing pdfs, just scroll thru with the quickview turned on | 13:29 |
| kanzure | not quite ready for production however | 13:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: she doesn't have a phone number | 13:29 |
| fenn | heh | 13:29 |
| fenn | email then? | 13:29 |
| jonathancline | I need to try the pdf filename script. if it works it's the bomb | 13:29 |
| ybit | $ whois 65.55.116.9 | 13:30 |
| ybit | OrgName: Microsoft Corp | 13:30 |
| ybit | could this be 'the organization'? | 13:30 |
| kanzure | ybit: no that's just hotmail's server | 13:30 |
| ybit | lol | 13:30 |
| kanzure | jonathancline: people suck at naming pdf files :( | 13:31 |
| kanzure | ok, time for me to go grab some lunch | 13:31 |
| kanzure | and then back to playing with legos | 13:31 |
| kanzure | god I love this job | 13:31 |
| jonathancline | where can i find "cone pt socket set screw 2x4" near downtown | 13:31 |
| jonathancline | "0914" | 13:32 |
| fenn | ETC machine shop? | 13:32 |
| fenn | so jonathancline see you there at 1:45 or so? | 13:33 |
| jonathancline | i'll bring the screw, maybe we go thre after feeding | 13:33 |
| jonathancline | i'm leaving now | 13:33 |
| jonathancline | 10 mins yeah | 13:33 |
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| -!- ybit2 is now known as ybit3 | 13:53 | |
| -!- ybit3 is now known as heath | 13:53 | |
| kanzure | you're cloning? | 13:53 |
| heath | sweet | 13:53 |
| heath | i knew it | 13:53 |
| heath | i had used heath a very very long time ago | 13:54 |
| heath | forgot what email i used to register, and had to wait for my inactivity to expire the username | 13:54 |
| kanzure | ybit is better | 13:54 |
| heath | oh yeah, that's what i was doing, reclaiming my domain name | 13:54 |
| * heath agrees | 13:54 | |
| -!- heath is now known as ybit | 14:02 | |
| ybit | -_- http://co.de wasn't purchased. something about registrars not allowing for just two characters | 14:05 |
| ybit | and i have to be from germany to purchase this?.. | 14:07 |
| ybit | wtf | 14:07 |
| ybit | the reasons were the contact address has to be from germany and i didn't give a fax # o.O | 14:08 |
| ybit | "The .DE TLD is only open to German citizens and companies, or to people that can justify an administrative contact in Germany. Please note that the DNS need to be properly installed (Zonecheck verification) for the domain to be active." | 14:09 |
| splicer | a bit like .us then | 14:17 |
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| kanzure | hello Phreedom | 15:03 |
| Phreedom | hi :) | 15:05 |
| kanzure | does anyone know about BIL:PIL? does Todd run PIL? | 15:08 |
| kanzure | "A chance encounter with Marle at the fair begins a series of adventures and uncovers a pre-millennial evil. In 12000 B.C., when confronting the evil Lavos in the Ocean Palace of the Kingdom of Zeal, Crono dies sacrificing himself to save his friends" | 15:10 |
| kanzure | "Lavos, who awakens and ravages the world in A.D. 1999, is an extraterrestrial parasitic creature that harvests DNA and the Earth's energy for its own growth." | 15:12 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r97ca7fc4621b /pymates/ (pymates.py tests.py): fix pymates/tests.py error re: OCC.Display in pymates.py | 15:24 |
| fenn | the availability matrix on the right is pretty cool" http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/6636px3?ignorepat=y | 15:34 |
| drazak | kanzure: should I upload a bunch of papers on myocardin? | 15:38 |
| kanzure | drazak: justr put them in a folder of their own :) | 15:45 |
| drazak | k | 15:45 |
| drazak | I'll upload them later tonight, when I'm at home | 15:46 |
| drazak | I emailed them to myself :P | 15:46 |
| fenn | color availability matrix for a 2x2 brick http://www.peeron.com/inv/colortable/3003?ip=0 | 15:47 |
| drazak | kanzure: is there a way to make google scholar search for reviews and not just all papers? | 15:49 |
| kanzure | no | 15:53 |
| kanzure | drazak: try searching "Annual Reviews" | 16:05 |
| kanzure | it's a particular journal just for reviews | 16:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.annualreviews.org/ | 16:13 |
| kanzure | optical projection tomography looks sexy | 16:24 |
| drazak | kanzure: I meant so that I can have pyscholar return only reviews :P | 16:27 |
| kanzure | at the moment pyscholar does not search annualreviews.org | 16:29 |
| drazak | kanzure: I thought pyscholar search google scholar and then went out from there | 16:31 |
| kanzure | at the moment it only grabs google scholar results | 16:39 |
| kanzure | you could do a for loop on the results I guess | 16:39 |
| kanzure | and check for those that have string[:-3] == "pdf" or something | 16:39 |
| kanzure | and then wget those particular files | 16:39 |
| drazak | ooh | 16:40 |
| drazak | does it bring back the link that will download a pdf from google scholar? | 16:41 |
| drazak | I can write a bashscript that parses for those links then wgets them | 16:41 |
| kanzure | drazak: yes, it collects the pdf links | 16:43 |
| kanzure | but you don't need to do a bash script :) | 16:43 |
| kanzure | just add it in to the python script | 16:43 |
| drazak | I have nfc how to write python :P | 16:43 |
| * drazak not programmer | 16:43 | |
| kanzure | okay, go ahead and write your bash script | 16:44 |
| kanzure | hm where's that article about morphological variation due to predatory evolutionary pressures? | 16:45 |
| drazak | how do I initiate pyscholar and how do I get it to read my search query file? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | um | 16:51 |
| drazak | or do I just pass it a string | 16:51 |
| kanzure | you pass it a string | 16:51 |
| kanzure | pyscholar/other-code/ | 16:51 |
| kanzure | python pyscholar.py "my query goes here" | 16:51 |
| drazak | cool, thanks | 16:51 |
| drazak | then just | to a file? | 16:52 |
| drazak | or > | 16:52 |
| kanzure | > | 16:52 |
| drazak | yeah, I was correcing myself | 16:52 |
| drazak | drazak@dhcp-84-253:~/pyscholar/other-code$ python pyscholar.py mesenchymal stem cell differentiation myocardin | 16:56 |
| drazak | [] | 16:56 |
| drazak | kanzure: ^ | 16:56 |
| drazak | doesn't work with quotes around it either | 16:56 |
| kanzure | try ./pyscholar "query here" | 16:58 |
| kanzure | oh fooey | 16:58 |
| kanzure | yeah I'm not sure why it's not working | 16:59 |
| drazak | yeah, no go | 16:59 |
| kanzure | I'm going to blame fenn | 16:59 |
| drazak | fenn: make it work | 17:01 |
| drazak | he's probably at lunch still | 17:01 |
| * fenn grunts | 17:01 | |
| kanzure | yeah! | 17:01 |
| * drazak mashes fenn with rocks | 17:02 | |
| kanzure | not really sure why pyscholar has decided to stop working | 17:03 |
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| drazak | this sucks :( | 17:05 |
| drazak | the only time I want to use pyscholar, it's broken | 17:11 |
| kanzure | yeah it's still in development | 17:12 |
| fenn | i'm not sure it ever actually worked | 17:12 |
| kanzure | and I have a massive headache right now so I'm not thinking straight | 17:12 |
| drazak | :( | 17:12 |
| * drazak offers kanzure acetiminophen | 17:12 | |
| kanzure | I'm wondering why pymates/tests.py and pymates/test_part.py exists.. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | I guess test_part.py doesn't call up wxSampleGui | 17:19 |
| kanzure | and tests.py does | 17:19 |
| fenn | looks like you should just copy test_part.py into tests.py | 17:19 |
| kanzure | I think it would be nice to keep some tests in a file that do not call wxSampleGui | 17:20 |
| kanzure | wxSamplesgui | 17:20 |
| drazak | fenn: any idea why pyscholar is broken? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 17:24 |
| kanzure | you can try "import gsearch" and then "gsearch(q='hello')" from the python interpreter | 17:25 |
| kanzure | cd /home/bryan/code/pyscholar/other-code/ | 17:25 |
| kanzure | python | 17:25 |
| kanzure | import gsearch | 17:25 |
| kanzure | gsearch.gsearch(q="some query goes here") | 17:25 |
| kanzure | and see if that works | 17:25 |
| drazak | >>> import gsearch | 17:26 |
| drazak | Traceback (most recent call last): | 17:26 |
| drazak | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 17:26 |
| drazak | File "gsearch.py", line 2, in <module> | 17:26 |
| drazak | from lxml import etree as et | 17:26 |
| drazak | ImportError: No module named lxml | 17:26 |
| kanzure | well that's only because I'm an idiot | 17:26 |
| * kanzure installs something on the server | 17:27 | |
| kanzure | sudo apt-get install python-lxml | 17:27 |
| drazak | wrong window | 17:27 |
| kanzure | passwordgoeshere | 17:27 |
| kanzure | crap | 17:27 |
| drazak | :P | 17:27 |
| drazak | now i know your password | 17:27 |
| drazak | don't worry | 17:27 |
| kanzure | ok try now | 17:27 |
| drazak | I won't tell anyone other than this channel | 17:27 |
| kanzure | it should have shown up as '********' | 17:27 |
| drazak | perfect | 17:28 |
| drazak | it showed up as "passwordgoeshere" | 17:28 |
| kanzure | all I see is "************" | 17:28 |
| kanzure | you must have copied my ***'s and pasted them | 17:28 |
| drazak | >>> gsearch(q='stuff') | 17:30 |
| drazak | Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 17:30 |
| drazak | TypeError: 'module' object is not callable | 17:30 |
| kanzure | gsearch.gsearch(q='stuff') | 17:31 |
| kanzure | ok I fixed the problem | 17:32 |
| drazak | >>> gsearch.gsearch(q='hello') | 17:32 |
| drazak | <Element html at b751693c> | 17:32 |
| kanzure | you should go back to /home/bryan/code/pyscholar/other-code/ | 17:32 |
| kanzure | then do: python pyscholar.py "myquery goes here" | 17:32 |
| kanzure | hm the journal_href seems to be wrong for some reason | 17:33 |
| kanzure | have they already changed Google Scholar's output? wtf | 17:33 |
| drazak | lo | 17:33 |
| drazak | l | 17:33 |
| kanzure | oh crap.. they probably show me something different since I am logged in when I use google scholar | 17:33 |
| kanzure | and adl.serveftp.org isn't logging in | 17:33 |
| kanzure | so, I should use wget'd pages as examples, not stuff I get from my firefox sessions | 17:34 |
| kanzure | my fault :( | 17:34 |
| kanzure | drazak: it's unlikely that I'm going to be motivated enough to get this fixed in the next few hours | 17:34 |
| drazak | ok | 17:34 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r74815ad / other-code/pyscholar.py : fixed pyscholar for drazak - http://bit.ly/5tVK3 | 17:39 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * rbb618e7 / doc/proposals/common-scrapers.txt : the data cleanup fileformat should probably be regular expressions - http://bit.ly/19drPU | 17:39 |
| drazak | thanks kanzure | 17:39 |
| kanzure | er this is not the fix that you're thinking of | 17:39 |
| kanzure | that was pushed to adl a few minutes ago when you last tried it | 17:39 |
| drazak | ah | 17:39 |
| kanzure | it's just now being pushed to github | 17:39 |
| kanzure | sorry, false alarm | 17:39 |
| drazak | :P | 17:40 |
| drazak | kanzure: I kinda figured | 17:40 |
| fenn | d'eaux: The name is misleading, because PCRE is Perl-compatible only if you consider a subset of PCRE's settings and a subset of Perl's regular expression facilities. | 17:40 |
| drazak | anyway, I have 13 papers to read | 17:40 |
| drazak | so by sunday fix it! | 17:40 |
| kanzure | sounds fun | 17:40 |
| kanzure | take notes | 17:41 |
| drazak | I do | 17:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: eventually, it would be nice to use your manufacturing process shape generator code to say "here are the constraints of a lego brick part, now have fun" and just see what sort of weird models it comes up with that fit within the lego standard | 17:47 |
| fenn | yes it would be nice if i could get anything to work at all | 17:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rt620ztAf4 | 17:57 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r6c495d9e6c56 /pymates/test_part.py: formatting issues with test_part.py, also added in some lego brick tests (they pass) | 18:10 |
| genehacker | ugh | 19:12 |
| genehacker | guess what? | 19:12 |
| genehacker | apparently SLS isn't as accurate as it's cracked up to be | 19:13 |
| kanzure | go figure | 19:13 |
| genehacker | when you print big parts, things start to get distorted | 19:14 |
| genehacker | trying to find pic related | 19:14 |
| genehacker | anyway you would happen to know anything about making python scripts that generate parametrized parts? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | sure that's what pythonOCC is for | 19:16 |
| genehacker | so I want to make my rotary rolamite thing parametrizable | 19:18 |
| genehacker | how do I do that? | 19:18 |
| genehacker | also got (most of) a book on microfluidics, do you want it | 19:20 |
| genehacker | and how can I transfer it to you securely | 19:21 |
| kanzure | probably by usb | 19:21 |
| kanzure | or over ssh | 19:21 |
| kanzure | either way | 19:21 |
| kanzure | ssh is secure enough | 19:21 |
| kanzure | you make a parametric rotary rolamite by using breps found from the OCC documentation | 19:21 |
| kanzure | if you want I guess I can show you sometime | 19:22 |
| genehacker | I'm in dallas | 19:22 |
| kanzure | okay, then you'll just have to install python | 19:22 |
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| kanzure | look at the bottom of teh page here: | 19:23 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pythonocc | 19:23 |
| kanzure | do step #2 and #3 tonight | 19:23 |
| genehacker | think I'll switch to the good partition for that | 19:24 |
| kanzure | sounds good | 19:36 |
| kanzure | http://gbamedia.gamespy.com/gba/image/article/601/601745/lego-star-wars-the-video-game-20050405031317222.jpg | 19:50 |
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| kanzure | http://www.acorscadden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tarp-30198.jpg | 20:32 |
| kanzure | Admiral Ackbar had a cereal brand for a while, IIRC | 20:32 |
| genehacker | really? | 20:35 |
| kanzure | py.test takes 2.4 seconds to run skdb/pymates/tests.py | 20:44 |
| kanzure | just running python takes 0.551s to run skdb/pymates/tests.py | 20:44 |
| kanzure | from skdb.pymates import Part, Interface, Mate; from skdb.packages.legos import Lego; brick1 = Lego("2x2 brick #1", num_pegs=4, num_holes=1); brick2 = Lego("2x2 brick #2", num_pegs=4, num_holes=1); brick1.options(brick2); brick1+brick2; | 20:58 |
| kanzure | bahaha | 20:58 |
| * fenn plays with Actual Legos | 21:00 | |
| kanzure | virtual legos are better | 21:00 |
| kanzure | manufactured right here in the US of A | 21:00 |
| fenn | memalloc()'ed on our virtual server somewhere in cyberspace | 21:01 |
| kanzure | Cloud Computing | 21:02 |
| kanzure | ew cloud computing for legos | 21:02 |
| kanzure | when I say (brick1+brick2)[0].apply(), I want to see it applied on my screen, damn it | 21:03 |
| fenn | er.. what does that mean? | 21:04 |
| fenn | the first compatible interface between 1 and 2? | 21:04 |
| kanzure | well you should do print (brick1+brick2) to see | 21:04 |
| kanzure | well the "first" isn't necessarily going to be the same if the code changes or something | 21:04 |
| kanzure | for some reason part names aren't being properly used in Hole and Peg objects | 21:05 |
| fenn | hole.part.name doesnt work? | 21:05 |
| kanzure | right | 21:05 |
| kanzure | hole.part == None :( | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | lemme push | 21:05 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r629abbc472a7 / (5 files in 2 dirs): improved smoothness of running all of this from the interpreter | 21:06 |
| kanzure | brick1.name works | 21:11 |
| kanzure | er, not that would make hole.part.name or hole.part work | 21:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/ | 21:23 |
| drazak | kanzure: any more fixed? | 21:24 |
| kanzure | drazak: rawr | 21:24 |
| kanzure | no | 21:24 |
| drazak | ok | 21:24 |
| kanzure | been busy playing with fenn's legos (psychicly) | 21:24 |
| drazak | lol | 21:24 |
| drazak | rawr fixit! | 21:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: cd ~/code/skdb/packages/; python -i "import legos.legos" | 21:33 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rd9d72640f146 /doc/DEVELOP: some notes for developers on setting up your PYTHONPATH | 21:35 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r82ed377e4d10 /doc/pythonOCC: added pythonOCC installation notes (why wasn't this in here?) | 21:43 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r19085b6d972c /packages/ (16 files in 2 dirs): rename to lego mostly | 21:45 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r343e54d3d640 /doc/DEVELOP: Merge branch 'master' of adl.serveftp.org:/var/www/skdb | 21:45 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r06490e5fba62 /doc/DEVELOP: meddling | 21:45 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r287e9cfa024b /doc/ (DEVELOP hacking): i hate caps | 21:45 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r925091d0868e /doc/pythonOCC: Merge branch 'master' of adl.serveftp.org:/var/www/skdb | 21:45 |
| fenn | why do you have to do export CASROOT? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | that may be for OCC | 21:52 |
| kanzure | or it may be necessary for running swig | 21:53 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * rd766b95f9987 /doc/pythonOCC: more meddling | 21:58 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * r56c27f25f665 /doc/ (compile_pythonOCC pythonOCC): rename | 21:58 |
| kanzure | tabnamespace conflict with comp* | 21:59 |
| kanzure | :p | 21:59 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: fenn * rffe795883039 /doc/ (12 files in 2 dirs): tab namespace conflict comp* | 22:00 |
| fenn | it belonged there anyway | 22:00 |
| kanzure | must rot my brain | 22:02 |
| ybit | well today didn't go as planned | 22:33 |
| ybit | when i came home this morning, i'm guessing the computer had experienced a power surge because it had rebooted. so i took the opportunity to install xmonad.. have spent the entire today configuring it.. i _finally_ have it the way i want it | 22:34 |
| ybit | replaced the konversation with weechat and kopete with bitlbee-otr | 22:35 |
| ybit | now, back to configuring postfix, dovecot, and offlineimap... | 22:35 |
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| fenn | how the fuck did this get so tangled | 23:09 |
| kanzure | ? | 23:10 |
| ybit | so my goal is to start working on djangit by august 10 | 23:12 |
| kanzure | sad | 23:12 |
| kanzure | orgs-mode has put you into metamode, it seems | 23:12 |
| ybit | why is that? | 23:12 |
| ybit | bah | 23:12 |
| ybit | i'm just being realistic | 23:13 |
| drazak | so | 23:15 |
| drazak | who can tell me about the extracellular structure of the heart? | 23:15 |
| drazak | kanzure: could I use adl an ssh/socks proxy | 23:19 |
| ybit | adl as a proxy would be much quicker than -X | 23:24 |
| ybit | er, ssh -X | 23:25 |
| drazak | exactly | 23:26 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't have to use -X unless you're not sure what you're doing | 23:34 |
| drazak | not saying to use -X | 23:37 |
| drazak | kanzure: I'm saying to use ssh -L | 23:40 |
| kanzure | I'm not familiar with -L. | 23:41 |
| drazak | it lets you use the server as a socks proxy over ssh | 23:41 |
| kanzure | just forwards from a local port to a remote port? | 23:42 |
| kanzure | er, bridging? | 23:42 |
| drazak | kindof | 23:43 |
| drazak | http://www.bitvise.com/port-forwarding | 23:43 |
| drazak | anyway, it' just like me using adl as a socks proxy, but it doesn't leave an open proxy port thing | 23:45 |
| kanzure | i am currently braindead and am wondering if there is server configuration that I will need to do to make this work | 23:46 |
| drazak | nope | 23:47 |
| drazak | should work right away unless you disapbled it | 23:47 |
| kanzure | dunno, I might secretly be a crazy security nazi sysadmin | 23:48 |
| drazak | Name Address: dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu | 23:50 |
| kanzure | hm? | 23:52 |
| drazak | that's what my host is shwoing up as when using firefox :P | 23:56 |
| genehacker | kanzure, reprap prize | 23:58 |
| genehacker | http://dev.forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,25671 | 23:58 |
| fenn | you know, semantics always goes to hell when people start using nouns to describe a state | 23:58 |
| fenn | it's the origin of all those terrible philosophical arguments like "what is death?" | 23:59 |
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