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| fenn | kanzure 146-6-213-198 ? | 00:46 |
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| fenn | 146-6-213-183 | 00:47 |
| fenn | 146-6-214-2 | 00:47 |
| fenn | 146-6-213-183 | 00:48 |
| fenn | http://aptamer.icmb.utexas.edu/ | 00:48 |
| kanzure | heckle. | 01:05 |
| genehacker | ??? | 01:34 |
| genehacker | sweet | 01:35 |
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| genehacker | now who do we have here? | 01:44 |
| genehacker | a mol bio? | 01:45 |
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| genehacker | I didn't know there was an aptamer database | 01:50 |
| genehacker | wonder if there are any for iron or plutonium | 01:50 |
| genehacker | no | 02:09 |
| genehacker | blast | 02:09 |
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| ybit | kanzure: you're welcome | 02:13 |
| * ybit <3 uzbl as well | 02:13 | |
| genehacker | http://146.6.83.129/GloveboxStatus.html | 02:26 |
| genehacker | glovebox status? | 02:26 |
| katsmeow | internal pressure, and if the light is on | 02:27 |
| genehacker | looks like a pic of inside | 02:28 |
| katsmeow | that just won't do | 02:28 |
| genehacker | hmmm... we got a YAG woo! | 02:29 |
| katsmeow | i had a yagi | 02:29 |
| genehacker | no a YAG as in laser | 02:29 |
| genehacker | yttrium Aluminium garnet | 02:30 |
| katsmeow | oh, yittrium etcetc | 02:30 |
| katsmeow | yeas | 02:30 |
| genehacker | not the antenna or rc airplane | 02:30 |
| * katsmeow nods | 02:30 | |
| katsmeow | i wanted a Cu vapor laser | 02:30 |
| katsmeow | really needed a small laser to weld wire tips together | 02:31 |
| genehacker | why? | 02:31 |
| genehacker | oh | 02:31 |
| genehacker | I want a CO2 laser that can make it's own mirrors | 02:31 |
| genehacker | tiny wire tips? | 02:32 |
| genehacker | have you considered using electric current? or a hydrogen flame? | 02:33 |
| genehacker | hydrogen flame probably works best when the wires are gold though... | 02:33 |
| katsmeow | well, upto butt welds on 16 awg galvanised steel | 02:33 |
| katsmeow | welds on 22 awg copper-constan or copper-iron | 02:34 |
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| flazmot | o/ heil hitler o/ juden verboten | 02:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-/ | 02:57 |
| flazmot | juden verboten | 03:02 |
| flazmot | means JEWS GET OUT | 03:02 |
| flazmot | :) colloquially | 03:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | i know what itmeans | 03:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | gnite | 03:17 |
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| El_Matarife | http://www.ntcncug.com/index.htm Dallas Fort Worth locals should come out to this today $5 plus a drive, but lots of operational machines, workshops, all kinds of stuff | 08:18 |
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| kanzure | download_virus_genomes_from_NCBI.pl | 08:51 |
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| kanzure | http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ | 10:26 |
| kanzure | have fun | 10:26 |
| kanzure | 40 MB/sec | 10:26 |
| kanzure | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/-it-sounds-like-something.ars/2 | 11:06 |
| kanzure | "Rather, they focus on executing as many trades per second as possible and on turning a small profit (often pennies or fractions of a penny) on each trade. This combination of high speed, massive volume, and razor-thin per-trade profits adds up over the course of a day, week, or year to some very large numbers. " | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "For instance, a stat arb HFT platform might identify a direct correlation between positive news about Steve Jobs' health and increases in the price of AAPL; then the microsecond that the platform receives and processes an in-bound Reuters news packet containing a statement about Jobs' cancer-free status, it would immediately spit out a "buy" order for AAPL on the expectation that Apple stock is about to increase in price once this news becomes more widely known. " | 11:07 |
| kanzure | er, final evaluation of good/bad of a news article is kinda hard to do | 11:07 |
| kanzure | meganeura dragonflies? keiser | 11:23 |
| kanzure | prothero arthroneura | 11:25 |
| kanzure | jake scocha | 11:26 |
| kanzure | wah-keat lee "advanced photon source", 3rd generation cyncotron | 11:27 |
| kanzure | huh, insects don't have lungs? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | so with 35% atmospheric oxygen concentration in a chamber, you might be able to grow ridiculously large bugs (given the right genetic meddling) | 11:32 |
| kanzure | oh yay | 11:33 |
| kanzure | http://jeb.biologists.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/cgi/content/abstract/207/20/3559 | 11:33 |
| kanzure | Plastic and evolved responses of larval tracheae and mass to varying atmospheric oxygen content in Drosophila melanogaster | 11:33 |
| kanzure | "We investigated how atmospheric oxygen level affects the dimensions of the main dorsal tracheae (DT) and masses of larval Drosophila melanogaster (Meigen) reared for up to six generations in 10%, 21% or 40% O2 at 25°C. " | 11:33 |
| kanzure | "After multiple generations in differing atmospheres and two further generations in 21% O2, larvae had tracheal diameters inversely related to their historical oxygen exposure, suggesting that atmospheric oxygen can produce heritable changes in insect tracheal morphology." | 11:34 |
| kanzure | "We suggest that any selection experiment in which the selective event is more than instantaneous should explore whether plasticity in the appropriate (adaptive) direction has increased as a component of the response to selection." | 11:36 |
| drazak | kanzure: fix it yet? :P | 12:19 |
| kanzure | fix who now? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | who are you | 12:23 |
| drazak | fix pyscholar | 12:23 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with it exactly? | 12:24 |
| drazak | drazak@dhcp-84-253:~/pyscholar/other-code$ python pyscholar.py stem cells | 12:25 |
| drazak | [] | 12:25 |
| kanzure | did you try quoting it? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | it's argument-based | 12:26 |
| drazak | yes | 12:26 |
| drazak | same thing | 12:26 |
| kanzure | have you pulled? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | "git pull" | 12:26 |
| drazak | yeah, doing it | 12:26 |
| drazak | same thing | 12:27 |
| kanzure | ok now I remember what I have to do.. wget http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=stem+cells | 12:27 |
| kanzure | and then move the file into tests/ | 12:27 |
| kanzure | git add it, commit it, and I'll pull from you | 12:27 |
| kanzure | right now it's currently expecting google scholar to show the same thing for logged in users and non-logged-in-users | 12:27 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:27 |
| kanzure | which is wrong | 12:28 |
| drazak | ah | 12:29 |
| kanzure | so there's something different about the google scholar output | 12:29 |
| kanzure | that I need to figure out :/ | 12:29 |
| kanzure | it doesn't help that "legos" refers both to the lego standard of interconnecting parts as well as the legos (the parts) | 12:34 |
| drazak | lol | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | hm "mock objects" make sense for unit tests | 13:30 |
| drazak | kanzure: any progress? | 13:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: what school network is adl on? | 13:33 |
| drazak | u of texas? | 13:34 |
| drazak | kanzure: you can set google scholar to only find papers taht university of texas at austin can download | 13:36 |
| kanzure | ok? | 13:38 |
| drazak | well aren't those the papers taht adl.serveftp.org can download? | 13:39 |
| drazak | that might be useful | 13:39 |
| kanzure | there's a way you can set "filetype:pdf" in your queries | 13:39 |
| kanzure | but in general, google scholar does not know what subscriptions your university has | 13:40 |
| drazak | if you do both than you'll only get papers that you can actually download | 13:40 |
| kanzure | if I do both what? | 13:40 |
| drazak | "filetype:pdf" and getting the cookie from googlescholar preferences to only search within the u of t at austin subscriptions | 13:41 |
| kanzure | google scholar doesn't do that | 13:41 |
| drazak | yes it does | 13:41 |
| kanzure | show me :) | 13:41 |
| drazak | go to google scholar preferences | 13:41 |
| kanzure | okay? | 13:42 |
| drazak | and then under library links | 13:42 |
| drazak | search for university of texas at austin | 13:42 |
| kanzure | that did nothing | 13:42 |
| drazak | and then check the box for that school, and uncheck the default box | 13:42 |
| kanzure | they were already checked | 13:42 |
| kanzure | this doesn't do what you think it does | 13:43 |
| drazak | huh | 13:43 |
| drazak | then what does it do? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | it just adds a link for catalog location at your local library | 13:43 |
| kanzure | and then you can pull up that link and figure out where it is (physically) on campus | 13:44 |
| drazak | oh | 13:44 |
| drazak | that sucks | 13:44 |
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| kanzure | fenn: shouldn't assertRaises(some_list[some_index_it_doesn't_have], ValueError) work? | 14:21 |
| kanzure | "Clearly, a sub-population that is uninterested in correcting their own cognition-affecting malfunctions, akin to alcoholics who are uninterested in "drying out", are NOT going to achieve any sort of technological augmentation." | 14:23 |
| ybit | kanzure: quote source? | 14:31 |
| ybit | thanks for bio.cc | 14:31 |
| ybit | aren't you and fenn supposed to be in l.a. today?.. | 14:32 |
| fenn | by one measure | 14:35 |
| kanzure | I have no idea any more. | 14:35 |
| fenn | kanzure: assertRaises only accepts callable arguments | 14:36 |
| fenn | try some_list.index | 14:36 |
| fenn | or some_list.__getslice__ | 14:37 |
| fenn | __getitem__ | 14:37 |
| fenn | i think getitem is what you want | 14:37 |
| * ybit wonders if i'm on /ignore | 14:37 | |
| ybit | it's actually smart of you to do that in irc if you want to make some progress and not be bombarded with distractions | 14:38 |
| ybit | e.g. "i want to work for the next 2 hours so i will ignore everyone except those who are immediately contributing to the project for the next 2 hours and look at the log afterward" | 14:39 |
| kanzure | ybit: you're not on ignore | 14:39 |
| kanzure | ybit: the source is fucking bullshit, so I'm not telling you it was steve richfield | 14:40 |
| ybit | :) | 14:40 |
| kanzure | what is a callable argument? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | or, how would I pass arguments to my callable? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | assertRaises(some_list.index, ValueError, my_index_here?) | 14:41 |
| kanzure | for some reason list objects in python do not have a "contains" method (wtf) | 14:41 |
| ybit | ah found the quote. | 14:42 |
| * ybit wonders why a quoted search in groups.google.com didn't show anything | 14:42 | |
| kanzure | the steve richfield quote was from a mailing list not on groups.google.com | 14:43 |
| ybit | ah | 14:43 |
| kanzure | but since I just forwarded my response, and my response quoted him saying that, maybe it would be in the search results | 14:43 |
| kanzure | but I would be surprised if google is that quick to parse incoming email and throw into their search inde | 14:43 |
| kanzure | *index | 14:43 |
| kanzure | *throw it | 14:43 |
| ybit | i've been surprised before how quick they were to index messages | 14:44 |
| kanzure | *something vageuly sounding like an english explanation that other people can understand | 14:44 |
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| kanzure | git clone git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git | 14:47 |
| ybit | speaking of cognitive enhancement, who here uses amphetamines? | 14:51 |
| * ybit is considering switching to adderall until i can find a doc to prescribe me modafinil | 14:51 | |
| ybit | http://code.suckless.org/hg/dextra/file/513faba2591f | 14:53 |
| kanzure | *cough* | 14:53 |
| kanzure | I am most definitely not on amphetamines. | 14:54 |
| ybit | grr, sometimes difficult to differentiate sarcasm on irc | 14:55 |
| kanzure | maybe the large collection of "how to synthesize amphetamines" papers on the servers would be a suitable hint? | 14:56 |
| ybit | :P | 14:56 |
| ybit | s/sarcasm/humor | 14:57 |
| * ybit misses modafinil | 14:58 | |
| * ybit considers setting up mumber for #hplusroadmap | 15:00 | |
| ybit | mumble* | 15:00 |
| kanzure | ? | 15:01 |
| ybit | is that a "what?" "why?" "how?" "when?" | 15:03 |
| kanzure | what | 15:03 |
| kanzure | hm. jong owns webdrug.org | 15:03 |
| ybit | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ | 15:03 |
| kanzure | and supertext.org | 15:04 |
| kanzure | subio.org is a neat domain name | 15:04 |
| ybit | heath.im is lame | 15:07 |
| flazmot | modafinil is five times more expensive per dose than ritalin | 15:23 |
| flazmot | happy 4:20 on the eastern seaboard | 15:24 |
| fenn | i wonder what these lego gears were modeled in http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3471135 | 15:58 |
| fenn | there's this .ldr file but does ldraw really work so well? http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/jovel/Techball/techball99.ldr | 16:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: seems to work fine to me | 16:03 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/2009-08-02_leocad_ldraw_techball99.ldr.png | 16:03 |
| fenn | awesome | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | making mock classes for unit tests is nifty | 17:44 |
| kanzure | are there any other tricks that I have been missing out on? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | hah! someone planted a fake ATM at defcon :) | 17:57 |
| kanzure | unit tests for classes that have to manipulate numbers are easy.. but anything else seems kind of confusing to me. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i.e. some of the code seems to be nondeterministic | 18:37 |
| kanzure | er.. does that make sense? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | fenn: the article was about the differences between a true unit test and an "integration test" | 18:38 |
| kanzure | ".. in which individual software modules are combined and tested as a group. It occurs after unit testing and before system testing." | 18:40 |
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| kanzure | an Assembly can be saved as a package | 19:00 |
| kanzure | a package is not a part | 19:00 |
| kanzure | a part does not have the data that template.yaml and data.yaml contain | 19:00 |
| kanzure | Assembly, however, would | 19:01 |
| kanzure | class Package and class Assembly might be the same thing (I dunno) | 19:01 |
| kanzure | but for the sake of the namespace, | 19:01 |
| kanzure | there is a difference between a "package" and an Assembly | 19:02 |
| kanzure | a "package" is what you have downloaded and installed | 19:02 |
| kanzure | sadly we have "class Package" in the codebase right now too which kind of meddles with things | 19:02 |
| kanzure | so in the codebase, it should be called an Assembly | 19:02 |
| fenn | ' a part does not have the data that template.yaml and data.yaml contain' is wrong | 19:03 |
| kanzure | the unit tests for Assembly would then check to make sure that it can export a valid package I guess? so maybe we should write some tools that test whether or not a package is valid (or something- like in screw.py and lego.py to test whether or not the data in data.yaml is sane given template.yaml and the checks in the Lego class itself) | 19:04 |
| fenn | part instances get their attribute data from data.yaml | 19:04 |
| kanzure | so what | 19:04 |
| kanzure | the class itself doesn't.. | 19:04 |
| fenn | whoopdedoo | 19:04 |
| kanzure | yeah exactly | 19:04 |
| kanzure | a part in a package is not a part instance | 19:05 |
| fenn | yes it is | 19:05 |
| fenn | once it gets loaded | 19:05 |
| kanzure | only once it gets loaded. | 19:05 |
| kanzure | you're not going to load up every possible part instance via attribute data in data.yaml every time you want to play with an Assembly | 19:06 |
| fenn | you want to copy the screw from the screws package into your custom thingy package data? | 19:09 |
| fenn | or use a pointer? | 19:09 |
| fenn | or what? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | yeah your assembly should let you try out different possible solutions for which part instances can be used, sure | 19:10 |
| fenn | that wasn't answering my question | 19:10 |
| fenn | i'm wondering what you mean by "load up every possible part instance" | 19:11 |
| kanzure | data.yaml contains different data for different instances of the part | 19:11 |
| kanzure | big-scary-screw, little-joyful-screw | 19:11 |
| kanzure | er.. maybe thread properties would have been better than anthrophomorphizing | 19:12 |
| kanzure | *anthropomorphizing | 19:12 |
| fenn | snow white and the seven screws | 19:12 |
| kanzure | is the english system screw the one called "grumpy"? | 19:12 |
| fenn | they're all called "screwy" | 19:13 |
| fenn | ok enough of that | 19:13 |
| fenn | i dont really see what this has to do with assemblies | 19:14 |
| kanzure | did you read skdb/doc/proposals/assemblies.txt ? | 19:14 |
| fenn | Package.add(myAssembly); Package.add(myPart) ought to work | 19:14 |
| kanzure | why would a package have multiple assemblies? | 19:15 |
| kanzure | er, why would a package have more than one assembly | 19:15 |
| fenn | socket set for example | 19:15 |
| kanzure | different sockets are catalouged in data.yaml | 19:15 |
| kanzure | (er, I actually don't know enough about socket sets to say that) | 19:15 |
| fenn | shouldnt an assembly just be a list of Mate or Connection objects? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | why did I want skdb.Package to not be the same thing as a package? | 19:18 |
| fenn | mates or assemblies* | 19:18 |
| kanzure | this is all based off of me wanting to separate a "package" from a "package" or something silly like that | 19:18 |
| fenn | you had an internal namespace conflict | 19:19 |
| kanzure | it's not internal | 19:19 |
| kanzure | it's external I thought? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | there's a Package class in skdb | 19:19 |
| kanzure | but it doesn't really do what a package is | 19:19 |
| fenn | it doesnt do anything | 19:19 |
| kanzure | a package most certainly does do something | 19:19 |
| fenn | Package doesn't do anything (yet) | 19:19 |
| kanzure | ok, so I guess we can say a package is an assembly, a package can have a package in it (or an assembly, or just a part) | 19:20 |
| fenn | package in package is stupid | 19:20 |
| fenn | a package is not an assembly | 19:20 |
| kanzure | why is not an assembly? | 19:20 |
| fenn | a package is some code that holds these other objects | 19:21 |
| fenn | code or files or whatever you want to call it | 19:21 |
| fenn | an assembly is a specific geometric relationship of parts, possibly with some other processes applied beyond just positioning | 19:22 |
| fenn | like welding or torquing or whatever | 19:22 |
| kanzure | s/processes/techniques/ | 19:22 |
| fenn | right | 19:22 |
| fenn | so is a frog an assembly? | 19:23 |
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| kanzure | no, a frog is a material | 19:24 |
| kanzure | a peculiar polymerization process | 19:24 |
| fenn | you could say the same thing about legos | 19:24 |
| kanzure | legos are polymerized only once in their lifetime | 19:24 |
| fenn | what about when you assemble them | 19:25 |
| kanzure | that's requiring an assembler-agent-dealy | 19:25 |
| kanzure | that has nothing to do with the legos being able to self-assemble (they can't) | 19:25 |
| fenn | ok what about a lego assemblign robot | 19:25 |
| kanzure | what about it | 19:25 |
| fenn | is it a polymerization process resulting in a material? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | no, it just picks up legos | 19:25 |
| fenn | and assembles them | 19:25 |
| kanzure | and applies some technique | 19:25 |
| fenn | how is this different from an enzyme? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | the robot doesn't depend on legos | 19:26 |
| kanzure | is this philosophy yet? | 19:26 |
| fenn | sorry i forgot to mention the robot was made from legos | 19:27 |
| kanzure | wah | 19:27 |
| fenn | (lego assembling) robot vs lego (assembling robot) | 19:27 |
| fenn | life is machinery | 19:28 |
| kanzure | yes but that doesn't mean it fits into our pathetic model | 19:29 |
| kanzure | human engineering artifacts are different | 19:29 |
| fenn | the difference between an enzyme and some random conglomerations of amino acids is that you can classify an amino acid, and it has source code | 19:29 |
| fenn | erm, s/amino acid/enzyme/ | 19:29 |
| fenn | i dont think it's that different | 19:30 |
| fenn | they have moving parts and specific functionalities (sometimes more than one) | 19:30 |
| fenn | but you can use any tool as a hammer | 19:30 |
| fenn | ok enough philosophy | 19:31 |
| kanzure | btw for the record I do actually agree that a frog is an assembly | 19:31 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't mean that the assembly class works for a frog yet | 19:31 |
| fenn | one way to resolve this semantic dilemma is to realize that "assembly" or "weldment" is really just some sort of linguistic form of referring to the result of a technique | 19:31 |
| fenn | for i in taxonomy.walk(): i.append("age"); print i | 19:33 |
| fenn | something like that | 19:33 |
| fenn | is a soldered PCB typically referred to as an assembly? | 19:36 |
| kanzure | it's an assembled pcb :p | 19:36 |
| fenn | looks like "PCB assembly" is used quite often but refers to the technique of assembling them | 19:37 |
| fenn | god don't we have something better than english yet? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | why is template.yaml not in metadata.yaml? | 19:39 |
| fenn | it should be | 19:39 |
| fenn | we need a metadata.yaml generator script | 19:40 |
| fenn | too bad yaml doesn't have an include function | 19:41 |
| kanzure | did you come up with your fixed legos lego part ontology yet? | 19:42 |
| fenn | part ontology? | 19:42 |
| fenn | list of possible interface types? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | something about "peg" and "hole" not really describing wtf is going on | 19:42 |
| genehacker | lego assembly bot? | 19:47 |
| genehacker | I've got some ideas for that | 19:47 |
| fenn | oh, you and your ideas. | 19:50 |
| kanzure | I wonder if mplayer has a -vo:lego mode | 20:24 |
| genehacker | mplayer? | 20:37 |
| kanzure | it's a linux media player | 21:04 |
| fenn | 'host of Top Gear to build full size house out of Lego, including flushable toilet and electricity' | 21:06 |
| kanzure | I wouldn't mind treating boxes that I have ssh access to as part of my 'cloud', but that's about as far as I'm willing to go | 21:07 |
| kanzure | does legos do 220V? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | does lego do 220V? | 21:07 |
| fenn | heh (paraphrased) "please remember to bring your donated bricks, but we must use new and undamaged bricks for maximum strength" | 21:10 |
| fenn | wow " | 21:12 |
| fenn | India plans to issue unique numbers and biometric ID cards to every one of its 1.2 billion citizens, many of whom have no documented proof of existence." | 21:12 |
| drazak | THEY DON'T EXIST, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED | 21:14 |
| kanzure | EXISTENCE NOT DOCUMENTED, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST | 21:15 |
| kanzure | er, the document I mean | 21:15 |
| kanzure | I'm so confused | 21:15 |
| drazak | man | 21:15 |
| drazak | tomorrow is gonna be boring as hell | 21:15 |
| fenn | heh india has a problem with illegal immigrants | 21:17 |
| kanzure | machines in my /etc/hosts file: pikachu, davinci, leibniz, minsky, heckle, and 'biowebhost' (ugh). | 21:17 |
| kanzure | er who wants to immigrate to india? | 21:17 |
| xp_prg | fenn it does? | 21:17 |
| fenn | according to the new york times :\ | 21:17 |
| kanzure | I'm special, the nyt says so | 21:18 |
| kanzure | do I get a cookie now? | 21:18 |
| fenn | fresh out of cookies | 21:18 |
| kanzure | huh, so this whole yaml deal is pretty nice.. wrapping some common skdb calls into a shell utility is made drastically more eay because now it's just a matter of piping yaml to individual utilities (or paths, or something) | 21:20 |
| kanzure | instead of forcing the user to have to use a python interpreter, I mean | 21:20 |
| kanzure | (which wouldn't be the end of the world anyway, but it's still not a anice thing to do ) | 21:20 |
| kanzure | *a nice | 21:20 |
| fenn | anyone know what is happening in this picture? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00594/army_motorbike_594655a.jpg | 21:21 |
| kanzure | in-flight tire rotation comes standard in the U.S. army, fenn | 21:22 |
| fenn | chinese army actually | 21:23 |
| kanzure | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1323291&cid=28920603 | 21:23 |
| kanzure | " | 21:23 |
| kanzure | "I think the real fail was the cops hauling the machine away without asking for help from the Defcon attendees. Sort of like a guy having a heart attack at a cardiologists convention and the cops keeping everybody back until an ambulance can arrive and take him to a hospital. | 21:23 |
| kanzure | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1323291&cid=28920711 | 21:24 |
| kanzure | "The true FAIL was the Defcon attendees failing to spot and realize that the cops hauling the machines away were fake, and the ATM was real." | 21:24 |
| flazmot | lol what | 21:28 |
| kanzure | fake ATM at defcon | 21:29 |
| drazak | kanzure: that's ok, apparently my uncle was at some conference and like 3/4's of the people were surgeons | 21:29 |
| drazak | and someone collapsed | 21:29 |
| drazak | and they all freaked out | 21:29 |
| fenn | OMG BLOOD | 21:29 |
| kanzure | surgeons don't deal with collapsing patients | 21:29 |
| drazak | they were like | 21:29 |
| drazak | OMGWTFBBQ | 21:30 |
| kanzure | surgeons are interesting people because they always are in control in their surgical bay | 21:30 |
| kanzure | the patient is knocked out, they have the team that they want, all of their special instruments, whatever | 21:30 |
| kanzure | well I guess they just suck if they went all omgwtfbbq | 21:31 |
| drazak | well most of them were plastic surgeons | 21:32 |
| flazmot | i knew about the fake atm | 21:33 |
| fenn | how is this thing supposed to get the PIN? http://web.inter.nl.net/users/p.c.wiegmans/skimapparaat/index.html | 21:34 |
| drazak | touch screen | 21:35 |
| fenn | oh i see there's a camera | 21:36 |
| fenn | wow i didnt even notice that little black dot | 21:36 |
| kanzure | is there a way to make boredom take effort? | 21:36 |
| kanzure | hah | 21:38 |
| kanzure | "Center for the Study of Boredom" | 21:38 |
| kanzure | is located in Allen, Texas | 21:38 |
| kanzure | *McAllen | 21:38 |
| kanzure | "All “cultural advance” derives from the need to withstand boredom;" meh http://www.boredominterest.net/boredomcenter.html | 21:46 |
| * kanzure needs more neuroscience | 21:46 | |
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| kanzure | "The earliest appearance of yawning was observed in a 15-week-old embryo (De Vries, Visser, & | 21:49 |
| kanzure | Prechtl, 1983). | 21:49 |
| kanzure | "Boredom induces drowsiness by stimulating the sleep generating system through the interconnection of the prefrontal area and the limbic system with the serotoninergic raphe pontine nuclei and the ascendant activatory reticular system (AARS). When boredom is associated with fatigue, the latter potentiates the drowsiness-inducing effect (Suganami, 1977)." | 21:51 |
| fenn | that's probably the most gobbeldygooky sentence i've seen yet | 21:52 |
| -!- fenn changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: serotoninergic raphe pontine nuclei and the ascendant activatory reticular system | 21:52 | |
| kanzure | " Thus, | 21:52 |
| kanzure | boredom, drowsiness, and fatigue lead to hypoxia, reduced metabolic rate, and increased secretion of | 21:52 |
| kanzure | hypnogenic derivatives. | 21:52 |
| kanzure | " | 21:52 |
| kanzure | maybe they were bored while writing it | 21:52 |
| kanzure | "reticular neuronal yawning complex". so there's a yawning region of the brain. heh. | 21:53 |
| fenn | "join the military" is listed as something people do when they're bored? | 21:54 |
| fenn | "get a crush on a political candidate" | 21:54 |
| flazmot | but not drug abuse | 21:54 |
| fenn | it only says "smoke marijuana" nothing about drug abuse | 21:54 |
| flazmot | ok | 21:55 |
| fenn | i wonder if this list is in decreasing order of frequency | 21:55 |
| fenn | "For some of us, boredom busters can entail engaging in much darker, harsher, destructive behaviors, including a broad range of sadistic and masochistic activities engaged in for the shock, pain, and suffering that such behaviors effect in others and in ourselves." | 21:56 |
| fenn | then they go on to say the kkk and nazi's are a product of boredom? | 21:56 |
| fenn | oo "designer kidnappings" | 21:57 |
| fenn | that's what i want to do when i grow up | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | "during coma, yawning predicts the approach of wakefulness" | 22:02 |
| kanzure | (cite (Braunwald et al., 1987).) | 22:02 |
| genehacker | hahaha defcon lol | 22:05 |
| fenn | robert anton wilson was totally obsessed with this idea of "hedonics" which is the science of anti-boredom | 22:06 |
| genehacker | yeah about hedonics... | 22:06 |
| genehacker | more like business | 22:07 |
| fenn | how is it i keep ending up at superhappiness.com? | 22:07 |
| genehacker | it's a memetic hazard | 22:08 |
| fenn | no | 22:08 |
| fenn | there's a very specific set of ideas there | 22:08 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:08 |
| genehacker | yay for singing software | 22:10 |
| fenn | did you just discover Hatsune Miku? | 22:10 |
| genehacker | no | 22:10 |
| genehacker | I'm listen to some quite good Hatsune | 22:11 |
| genehacker | *listening | 22:11 |
| flazmot | gene hacker are you a bio punk | 22:11 |
| genehacker | maybe | 22:12 |
| genehacker | are you a mol bio person? | 22:12 |
| drazak | Iam | 22:12 |
| genehacker | no flazmot | 22:12 |
| genehacker | your IP | 22:12 |
| * kanzure frowns because he's not much of a person | 22:12 | |
| flazmot | no i don t have any equipment for that | 22:12 |
| drazak | fenn: have you read Illuminatus!? | 22:13 |
| genehacker | it was at utexas the other day | 22:13 |
| fenn | drazak: nup | 22:13 |
| genehacker | I'm at utexas | 22:13 |
| fenn | drazak: i've read schrodinger's cat and prometheus rising | 22:13 |
| genehacker | but I'm not a biopunk yet... | 22:13 |
| drazak | ah | 22:13 |
| drazak | I ahven't read those yet | 22:13 |
| fenn | somehow i dont think they're his best work | 22:13 |
| genehacker | but I want to be the architect of biohacking | 22:13 |
| drazak | fenn: Illuminatus! is very good | 22:14 |
| drazak | extremely good | 22:14 |
| fenn | prometheus rising is notable for his discussion of imprinting | 22:14 |
| fenn | which i havent heard of anywhere else | 22:14 |
| genehacker | I want to build a DNA synthesizer that anyone could make | 22:14 |
| drazak | the appendix of Illuminatus! is awesome | 22:14 |
| genehacker | however, I haven't found a way to make the reagents for gene synthesis so that is on hold | 22:15 |
| drazak | genehacker: I'd come up with a new method :P | 22:15 |
| genehacker | FOR? | 22:15 |
| genehacker | if you know o-chem | 22:15 |
| genehacker | you can help me | 22:15 |
| genehacker | oh flazmot you didn't have an utexas ip | 22:16 |
| genehacker | it was zvader | 22:16 |
| genehacker | so drazak what is your method | 22:16 |
| drazak | no idea, I'm justsaying you should | 22:16 |
| genehacker | TELL ME THAT METHOD | 22:17 |
| kanzure | you should write a text file with a list of all DNA synthesis techniques that you know of, genehacker | 22:17 |
| kanzure | and you could even commit it to skdb if you want | 22:17 |
| genehacker | I know of 2 | 22:17 |
| genehacker | how do I do that | 22:17 |
| kanzure | are you on ubuntu right now? | 22:18 |
| drazak | kanzure: what's skdb? | 22:18 |
| kanzure | drazak: apt-get but for hardware | 22:18 |
| kanzure | heh apparently dogs catch human yawns | 22:18 |
| genehacker | no | 22:19 |
| fenn | what's the transmission rate of a yawn? | 22:19 |
| fenn | percentage, m/s, etc | 22:19 |
| genehacker | probably 20 khz | 22:19 |
| kanzure | dunno but I've been yawning over here like crazy trying to see if my psychic link to fenn is working | 22:19 |
| kanzure | I don't think it is | 22:19 |
| fenn | nope | 22:19 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you open up a text editor and you start typing | 22:20 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:20 |
| kanzure | if you're on ubuntu, I could give you some more detailed instructions | 22:20 |
| genehacker | ok here's the deal | 22:20 |
| genehacker | I need to get the encryption key to my home network | 22:20 |
| kanzure | what encryption key? | 22:21 |
| fenn | huh. scrolling through wp's "list of vegans" i see George Church | 22:22 |
| genehacker | he's a vegan? | 22:22 |
| genehacker | he does bioresearch | 22:22 |
| drazak | dude | 22:22 |
| drazak | there's like 2 vegans on the floor of my lab | 22:23 |
| drazak | like WHAT THE FUCK | 22:23 |
| drazak | WE KILL HAMSTERS | 22:23 |
| drazak | AND RATS | 22:23 |
| drazak | AND MICE | 22:23 |
| drazak | AND GUINEA PIGS | 22:23 |
| drazak | AND GOATS | 22:23 |
| genehacker | do you know how many salmon died for that synthetic DNA? | 22:23 |
| genehacker | maybe they're trying to compensate | 22:23 |
| drazak | I don't fucking know man | 22:23 |
| drazak | but ti freaks me out | 22:24 |
| QuantumG | veganism is a religion.. it requires no rationalization | 22:24 |
| fenn | hah "church's chicken founder George Church" | 22:24 |
| kanzure | is that the same George Church? | 22:24 |
| fenn | "after seeing what goes into the chicken i decided to stop eating it" (kidding) | 22:24 |
| genehacker | watch out if you see any suspicious packages | 22:24 |
| genehacker | church's synthetic chicken? | 22:25 |
| genehacker | or people running away with cages... | 22:25 |
| kanzure | yeah it runs around without a head laying golden eggs of fossil fuels | 22:25 |
| drazak | lol | 22:26 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 22:26 |
| genehacker | you heard of bacterial gold mining? | 22:27 |
| genehacker | using bacteria to mine gold | 22:27 |
| drazak | dude | 22:28 |
| fenn | using quantum sea cucumbers to find the lost philosopher's stone? | 22:28 |
| drazak | didn't I talk about doing that in here? | 22:28 |
| drazak | like 18 months ago? | 22:28 |
| drazak | man what the fuck | 22:28 |
| genehacker | I heard about it years ago | 22:28 |
| drazak | they steal all my ideas | 22:28 |
| fenn | drazak: it's a recurrent theme, don't feel bad | 22:28 |
| genehacker | don't worry it could be worse | 22:28 |
| drazak | I wanted to do it with platinum | 22:28 |
| genehacker | we could be stuck in an endless recursion of time | 22:28 |
| fenn | the forever now | 22:29 |
| genehacker | an endless august | 22:29 |
| fenn | texas summer | 22:29 |
| drazak | man | 22:29 |
| fenn | "it's always summer in texas" after all | 22:29 |
| drazak | it's fucking august | 22:29 |
| genehacker | good you haven't seen it | 22:29 |
| ybit | http://yb.it is available | 22:31 |
| kanzure | interesting, there's a study where they showed a positive correlation between particular eye movement / fixation patterns and successful solving of a diagram-represented problem. | 22:32 |
| drazak | man | 22:33 |
| drazak | I never look at diagrams the same way as other people | 22:33 |
| kanzure | upside down? | 22:33 |
| drazak | well, like | 22:33 |
| drazak | I'll look at something | 22:33 |
| drazak | then close my eyes and remember it, to think about solving it | 22:33 |
| ybit | 22:11 * kanzure frowns because he's not much of a person | 22:35 |
| * ybit is confused by that statement | 22:36 | |
| fenn | kanzure is mostly just a humanoid interface to the data integration entity | 22:36 |
| QuantumG | you're all bots | 22:36 |
| fenn | nuh uh.. you're the bot | 22:36 |
| kanzure | I'm not. | 22:37 |
| * kanzure plots your demise | 22:37 | |
| fenn | who's a widdle botty wotty | 22:37 |
| genehacker | I'm human I swear | 22:39 |
| drazak | I almost married a human | 22:40 |
| fenn | was she an axe murderer as well? | 22:41 |
| drazak | do any of you like Gary Numan? | 22:42 |
| fenn | meh | 22:42 |
| kanzure | Wearable pupil position detection system utilizing dye-sensitized photovoltaic devices | 22:43 |
| fenn | what's wrong with IR cameras? | 22:44 |
| genehacker | is that a paper or a proposal | 22:45 |
| fenn | huh. WP sez gary numan has asperger's syndrome | 22:45 |
| genehacker | he's one of us | 22:45 |
| drazak | yay | 22:46 |
| drazak | actually | 22:46 |
| drazak | I think I knew he was an aspie | 22:46 |
| fenn | why do you think that? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: they are in your way | 22:48 |
| QuantumG | http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/wall_construction/ | 22:49 |
| QuantumG | building a wall... excitement | 22:49 |
| fenn | OMG a wall! they should hire marcin jakubowsky | 22:49 |
| QuantumG | famous wall builder? | 22:50 |
| fenn | er, sort of | 22:50 |
| kanzure | basically it works like a solar cell except with the light reflected from the white of the eyes | 22:50 |
| fenn | QuantumG: physics PhD turned brickmaker | 22:50 |
| kanzure | if marcin doesn't get his act together he will be forever known for wall building | 22:50 |
| drazak | fenn: because I'd read his WP | 22:50 |
| fenn | what's dye-sensitized supposed to mean? | 22:50 |
| fenn | and how do they not get in your way any more than a camera? | 22:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's a photo-voltaic device that responds to a particular wavelength of light (due to the dye) | 22:51 |
| kanzure | they are transparent | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | fenn: he should take some pictures of this brick laying, at least then it wouldn't be as debatable as his phd. | 22:51 |
| fenn | how does it create an image? (no focusing) | 22:51 |
| kanzure | what image? :) | 22:51 |
| fenn | QuantumG: look at openfarmtech.org | 22:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: this only tracks pupil movement | 22:52 |
| kanzure | er, pupil position | 22:52 |
| kanzure | but movement can be extracted from that information | 22:52 |
| genehacker | so kanzure it can figure out what your looking at? | 22:52 |
| genehacker | can it be built into glasses? | 22:52 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:52 |
| kanzure | but no, it doesn't figure out what you're looking at | 22:52 |
| fenn | QuantumG: i thought the dpf would just emit some x-rays | 22:52 |
| fenn | does it really need all that shielding? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | it would be fun to make a device that repositions your head when you move your eyes away from some target | 22:53 |
| QuantumG | they expect to do fusion.. and although its very "clean" and not very "hot" it's still radioactive. | 22:53 |
| kanzure | here's the paper: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Wearable%20pupil%20position%20detection%20system%20utilizing%20dye-sensitized%20photovoltaic%20devices.pdf | 22:54 |
| fenn | like a chicken? | 22:54 |
| genehacker | oh yeah | 22:54 |
| kanzure | no, I think a chicken can look at other things while keeping its neck in alignment | 22:55 |
| kanzure | not sure though | 22:55 |
| fenn | i always wanted to do that but with LCD's on a car windshield to block out just the sun | 22:56 |
| fenn | big fat 1" pixels | 22:56 |
| kanzure | heh it would be absolutely evil to do a DMD/HUD display of neuronal activity in V1 on these wearable glasses that had these detectors.. such that you're doing immediate feedback from V1 back to the eyes and then back to V1 | 22:57 |
| kanzure | is that sufficiently evil? | 22:57 |
| fenn | bah. you read that in 'mister volition' | 22:57 |
| kanzure | I read about it in neverness | 22:57 |
| fenn | hm. which came out first? | 22:57 |
| kanzure | I didn't actually read mister volition .. only the first few pages, until it started to suck. | 22:57 |
| kanzure | neverness was 88 | 22:57 |
| fenn | ok that was probably first | 22:58 |
| kanzure | zindell stole ideas from everywhere though | 22:58 |
| kanzure | google is showing "Friends: " strings for facebook results | 22:59 |
| kanzure | "So-and-so. Chicago IL - Friends: Alex Wade, Heather Geissinger, Mitch Kenoe, Mike Mocchi" | 22:59 |
| fenn | can i reverse the friend hash? | 22:59 |
| fenn | friendof: alex wade, heather geissinger, mitch keno | 22:59 |
| kanzure | sorry, facebook is here to make your life miserable | 23:00 |
| kanzure | you would have to manually scrape that data | 23:00 |
| kanzure | and the new ajax bullshit makes that even more annoying | 23:00 |
| QuantumG | http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/instrumentation_and_auxiliary_equipment/ | 23:00 |
| fenn | kanzure: i dont think you have to put the camera directly in line of sight | 23:01 |
| fenn | it would never be perfectly lined up anyway | 23:01 |
| kanzure | what camera? | 23:01 |
| fenn | an IR camera for eye tracking | 23:02 |
| kanzure | it would be interesting to see if there are common scanpaths for common activities | 23:06 |
| kanzure | huh | 23:07 |
| kanzure | so somebody did that, but also added brief flashing red dots to where the eyes were supposed to go next for 'desired scanpaths' | 23:07 |
| fenn | did people solve the problem faster/better? | 23:08 |
| * kanzure reads | 23:08 | |
| kanzure | not sure they were doing problem solving | 23:08 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Guiding%20attention%20by%20external%20control%20of%20the%20scanpath.pdf | 23:10 |
| fenn | seems to be borken | 23:12 |
| kanzure | chmod? | 23:12 |
| fenn | not sure; it just never finishes loading | 23:13 |
| kanzure | try now? | 23:13 |
| kanzure | it never finishes uploading. | 23:13 |
| * kanzure waits for scp to decide that 100% means 100% | 23:13 | |
| kanzure | there you go | 23:13 |
| kanzure | "Noton and Stark's scanpath theory of 1971 predicts that a subject scans a new stimulis during the first exposure and stores the sequence of fixations in memory as a spatial model, so that a scanpath is established. When the subject is re-exposed to that stimulus, the first few eye movements tend to follow the same scanpath established during the initial viewing of the stimulis, which facilitates stimulis recognition." | 23:22 |
| fenn | the image compression is neat | 23:22 |
| fenn | 'ignore anything not interesting' | 23:22 |
| QuantumG | so, how that shit been actually experimentally tested? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | it would be interesting to be blind to boring-stuff | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | how has | 23:25 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: did you look at the paper? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | the monocular wearable seems like a test to me | 23:25 |
| kanzure | that paper actually has some pretty good data | 23:26 |
| kanzure | they bothered to track eye movements and cluster them and everything :p | 23:26 |
| kanzure | so apparently scanpaths are a simple markov model | 23:27 |
| fenn | naw | 23:28 |
| fenn | you have to know where to move next | 23:28 |
| fenn | you dont just know that, it's guided by clues from your peripheral vision | 23:28 |
| fenn | it happens continuously, not all at once, i mean | 23:29 |
| kanzure | how does that 'naw' me | 23:29 |
| kanzure | anyway, it would be useful to integrate a programming environment with the subliminal scanpath setups | 23:30 |
| kanzure | for instance, new error messages that you might miss on the screen | 23:30 |
| fenn | how is this different from just a blinking light? | 23:34 |
| QuantumG | its more annoying because it is subliminal | 23:35 |
| fenn | the markov model stuff all assumes a discrete set of choices, but your eye position is not discrete (it's continuous, for lack of a better word) | 23:35 |
| fenn | QuantumG: it might actually be less annoying | 23:35 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if you could use it to make easy Sudoku puzzles hard for experts | 23:35 |
| QuantumG | I imagine many people giving up Sudoku in disgust | 23:36 |
| QuantumG | "I used to be good at it, then I started playing on this new website and now I suck at even the simplest games.. even when I went back to pen and paper!" | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | deprogramming their scanning skills | 23:37 |
| fenn | does the website have blinky banner ads or something? | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | no.. it uses the subliminal red dots to direct their scanpath to unproductive strategies | 23:38 |
| fenn | "i bet you cant beat me at this sudoku game"? | 23:39 |
| fenn | if $ip == competitor: insert_red_dots_of_doom() | 23:40 |
| fenn | i've been stuck on ways to integrate multispectral data into regular field of view without occluding normal colors | 23:41 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: scanpaths in sodoku would be a good test. but the point of the paper was that individuals have their own (learned (plastic)) scanpaths, so these can be either elaborated, used, or done away with. | 23:41 |
| fenn | i thought if i could blink colors at a certain rate it would actually look like a different color, like octarine or something | 23:41 |
| fenn | "done away with" sounds sufficiently evil | 23:42 |
| -!- Overand is now known as Andover1981 | 23:42 | |
| -!- Andover1981 is now known as Overand | 23:42 | |
| kanzure | "switched to something else" is what I meant to say | 23:42 |
| QuantumG | ya, for example, making it so you can't even recognize a picture of your own mother | 23:43 |
| kanzure | who said I can recognize a picture of my own mother? | 23:43 |
| fenn | maybe you could if your software made you do it the same way each time | 23:43 |
| QuantumG | fenn did | 23:43 |
| QuantumG | kill him! | 23:43 |
| fenn | do away with him! | 23:44 |
| kanzure | where did I pick up that phrase anyway? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | something british? | 23:44 |
| fenn | probably the justice league | 23:44 |
| kanzure | spiderman unlimited maybe | 23:44 |
| ybit | flazmot: you had mentioned partaking of mary-j to alter your mood. what types do you use for different situations? i've experience several different highs, so i'm curious which you prefer | 23:52 |
| fenn | heh "Only one of approximately 15 recently published college-level introductory psychology textbooks has referenced ‘boredom,’ and that one textbook referenced _my_ 1983-published book on boredom." | 23:53 |
| kanzure | oh so here's why template.yaml wasn't in metadata.yaml - the "!lego" tag being in metadata.yaml would totally fuck everything up | 23:57 |
| kanzure | not to mention the !Peg and !Hole tags | 23:57 |
| fenn | but what if those are standard interfaces instead? like screw-thread or something | 23:59 |
| kanzure | hm maybe I'll add an attribute/field that lists "provided tags that this package provides" | 23:59 |
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