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| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 9bc1588f07a9 /packages/lego/demo.py: forgot to commit this | 00:23 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 17052d3078f1 /packages/lego/demo.py: yaml output looks better because vectors are collated (this is because default_flow_style is not False but yaml_flow_style is False) | 01:03 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r d24aef571b81 /packages/lego/interfaces.py: fix part list for options, and overly long repr | 01:03 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 59dab83c7aa2 /core/interface.py: excise dead code; fix makes_sense | 01:03 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 06ad37cb5539 /core/interface.py: wtf is a mate?? | 01:05 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 8a090f68f2e6 /core/interface.py: some stuff that was bugging me. i guess Mate does nothing special | 02:38 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r e8fb78770c67 /core/part.py: some day i'll figure out how to not repeat this code everywhere | 02:38 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 9a563e1d7813 /core/yamlcrap.py: setify really should go somewhere else since this has nothing to do with yaml. also, __setstate__ never gets called unless you do copy.copy() so i commented it out | 02:38 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r e5175613af87 /packages/lego/demo.py: a more entertaining demo... shouldnt pymates do something like this? | 02:38 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r aeca5bcc2865 / (core/part.py packages/lego/data.yaml): initialise interface.part after loading yaml (doesnt work??) | 02:38 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r a1e07da6510a /packages/lego/demo.py: print out a list of compatible interfaces for eac interface in brick1 | 02:38 |
| fenn | kanzure: i want some screenshots of it working, dammit! | 02:39 |
| fenn | omg it's clear from pymates you have no idea why my functions do | 02:52 |
| fenn | next time you need help please ask for it | 02:52 |
| fenn | 'rad' stands for radius | 03:01 |
| fenn | in point_shape | 03:01 |
| fenn | elevation is rotation around the x axis, azimuth is rotation around the z axis | 03:02 |
| genehacker | how do you avoid gimbal lock? | 03:02 |
| fenn | go away | 03:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: you were giving me x and y | 03:04 |
| kanzure | (rotations) | 03:04 |
| fenn | point_shape doesn't return anything | 03:08 |
| fenn | it does the rotations in the correct order so you dont have to figure it all out again | 03:08 |
| fenn | why don't you just import it form paths.py and call the function? | 03:09 |
| kanzure | real_point_shape returns the shape | 03:10 |
| fenn | there is way too much crap going on in this script for a single transform | 03:11 |
| fenn | where are the brick shapes actually rotated? | 03:12 |
| kanzure | mate_parts | 03:13 |
| kanzure | see line 147 | 03:14 |
| kanzure | or search for transformation0 | 03:14 |
| fenn | so you never actually use real_point_shape | 03:14 |
| kanzure | I use it in draw_mating_arrows() | 03:14 |
| kanzure | which is what I was complaining about last night | 03:14 |
| fenn | fuck the arrows | 03:15 |
| kanzure | well if I can't get arrows right, how am I going to be sure that the legos are right? | 03:15 |
| fenn | because they line up like legos | 03:16 |
| kanzure | well they didn't anyway | 03:16 |
| fenn | because you rotated them wrong | 03:16 |
| kanzure | and there are many ways to be wrong and still look like you line up like legos | 03:16 |
| fenn | here's my suggestion: | 03:20 |
| fenn | forget about the arrows, import point_shape from skdb.paths and use that to rotate the shape | 03:20 |
| * fenn attempts to sleep | 03:24 | |
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| kanzure | "When it comes to the physical world, we're acutely aware of our limitations, and we build systems to overcome them (e.g. stairs to climb vertically, wheels for easy transport, etc). When it comes to the mental world, we have this unreasonable view of ourselves as supermen. We think we are always in control, and that we are always responsible. We need to understand our mental limitations so that we can design systems (e.g. public/company policy, transportation systems, etc) to overcome them (and make the world a better place)." | 07:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html | 07:11 |
| kanzure | found from: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1330685&cid=29006243 | 07:11 |
| kanzure | "The free market sees taxation as damage and routes around it." | 07:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1464&tab=summary Learning Opportunities With Creation of Open Source Textbooks (LOW COST) Act of 2009 | 07:19 |
| kanzure | or see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h1464: | 07:19 |
| kanzure | not sure what's going on here: http://www.flatworldknowledge.com/ | 07:23 |
| kanzure | on capmetro.org under "allsystemsgo" they have a slideshow of photos of capmetro's operations | 08:11 |
| kanzure | one of the photos is an "artist's depiction of future capmetro buses and trains" | 08:11 |
| kanzure | not that I have anything against artists | 08:12 |
| kanzure | but I would be much more impressed by an engineer's take on things | 08:12 |
| fenn | silly man, why would an engineer design a train | 08:12 |
| kanzure | oh right, he's the "conductor" | 08:12 |
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| kanzure | heh irc+root => trouble | 09:58 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r a0ab4f6e6b33 /paths.py: booya | 10:07 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r b35589d95096 /core/skdb.py: return package | 10:07 |
| draz|lab | kanzure: when is books/ getting copied to adl.serveftp? | 10:54 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 6d2347409c50 /pymates/pymates.py: committing before I cause some serious damage | 11:30 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 4f9281e10595 / (core/skdb.py paths.py): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 11:30 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 9eae5750183e /paths.py: fix fenn path stuff, show an arrow | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | fenn: what should I be doing? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: it would be helpful to replace point_shape with something else because at the moment part.interfaces[num].point isn't being updated. the points are different, but you can't really be sure what transformation to apply to get the real location of the interface points for some given shape in part.shapes[] | 12:10 |
| fenn | what are you doing (in general) | 12:15 |
| fenn | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_crystallography.png | 12:16 |
| fenn | guh. serial vs parallel mates | 12:19 |
| ybit | but physics over the last 100 years - and especially | 12:29 |
| ybit | over the last couple of decades - has increasingly shown us that the | 12:29 |
| ybit | world is neither continuous nor infinite; it has solid finite limits | 12:29 |
| ybit | on almost everything. Even more remarkable is that we've pretty much | 12:29 |
| ybit | reached some of those limits" | 12:29 |
| * ybit doesn't life definite statements | 12:29 | |
| ybit | s/life/like | 12:30 |
| ybit | just say 'it seems at this moment that we _may_ have reached reached some of these limits | 12:30 |
| ybit | _at this moment_ as well | 12:31 |
| * ybit is sick | 12:31 | |
| * ybit caught something from all the little kids and stinky grown-ups looking for school supplies last night | 12:31 | |
| ybit | literally, it was difficult to breathe around some of the customers | 12:32 |
| genehacker | heh that's funny fenn | 12:32 |
| ybit | let's hope i'm working in a cleanroom soon | 12:32 |
| genehacker | was it h1n1? | 12:32 |
| genehacker | if you turn up immune to it | 12:33 |
| genehacker | can I get some of your antibodies? | 12:33 |
| * ybit is using some right now | 12:33 | |
| ybit | it's illegal to share meds, but come on down (to florence, al) and i'll give you a few. it's not like it's the first time i've shared teh goods | 12:34 |
| fenn | kanzure i'm working on adding a transform to each mate, fwiw (so we dont replicate work) | 12:34 |
| genehacker | I was only joking ybit | 12:36 |
| ybit | yeah.. uh.. i was too... ;) | 12:36 |
| kanzure | 1151: preparation of sonicated salmon sperm DNA | 12:40 |
| * kanzure thought of genehacker | 12:40 | |
| genehacker | it's a highly useful waste product of the salmon fishing industry! | 12:41 |
| genehacker | though we can't rely on such sources | 12:41 |
| genehacker | with global fish stocks the way they are | 12:42 |
| genehacker | i see why you don't use alibre kanzure | 12:47 |
| genehacker | wine isn't compatible with it | 12:48 |
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| fenn | is there a way to make load_CAD shut up? | 13:20 |
| kanzure | not to my knowledge :( | 13:42 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/library-of-protocols.txt this list might be incomplete because of a perl script error regarding wide characters (and because I'm in a hurry), but it's about ~2000 lines that associate titles to the protocols | 13:44 |
| fenn | you fucker | 13:51 |
| fenn | run john on your own computer | 13:51 |
| fenn | hmm i guess it's been going for a week already? | 13:52 |
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| genehacker | huh kanzure you aren't torrenting on fenn's computer now are you? | 14:26 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 7c52d66b63b6 /packages/threads/metadata.yaml: package needs name for package_file i guess | 14:43 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 4226f25f028f / (7 files in 3 dirs): split stuff that depends on OCC into its own module.. this is the only way to include things from inside core/ | 14:43 |
| kanzure | there's no reason that package needs a name.. package_file should be able to figure out the package's name because when a package is instantiated it gets a package_name variable | 14:46 |
| kanzure | or at least it's supposed to get a package_name variable (even when loaded via yaml) | 14:46 |
| fenn | please explain with valid python | 14:47 |
| fenn | you know all this module stuff is really annoying | 14:48 |
| * draz|lab making SDS-PAGE gell | 14:52 | |
| kanzure | origin interface: orientation=<0,0,1> at (0,0,0) | 14:57 |
| kanzure | or actually, orientation = <0,0,-1> at (0,0,0) so that everything is "right side up" when it's put into the system) | 14:57 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 2c11b0062458 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): add a transform to the Part | 15:54 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 09425a01f6be / (geom/geom.py paths.py): key binding, fight some more with transforms | 15:54 |
| fenn | todo: write some unit tests for interface transforms | 15:57 |
| wrldpc2 | what was this stuff about atherosclerotic plaques as being a good compression strategy for vital compounds | 16:00 |
| wrldpc2 | i need as much data on atherosclerotic plaques as possible. | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/full-librar.txt full index of all pages (for realz this time) | 17:08 |
| kanzure | arr | 17:08 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/full-library.txt | 17:08 |
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| fenn | that's only like 500 more than last time (around 2000->2500) | 17:30 |
| ybit | fenn: you mentioned ocr for these books... i don't know if that's the way to go... | 17:40 |
| ybit | there are images to consider.. | 17:40 |
| ybit | maybe something more suited for this would be a script to straighten the images and then just concatenate the files into a pdf | 17:41 |
| fenn | " show the `best match so far' as search strings are typed: | 17:41 |
| fenn | set incsearch | 17:41 |
| ybit | though it would be nice to have the text in plain text format | 17:41 |
| ybit | straighten, crop, fix the contrast, etc. | 17:42 |
| ybit | has anyone setup gnus with dovecot, offlineimap, and some mta? | 17:43 |
| * ybit has been having troubles with dovecot | 17:44 | |
| ybit | some prefer courier to dovecot | 17:45 |
| ybit | http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FuzzyOcrPlugin :: This plugin checks for specific keywords in image/gif, image/jpeg or image/png attachments, using gocr (an optical character recognition program). | 17:46 |
| ybit | ...for email | 17:47 |
| * ybit assumes | 17:47 | |
| ybit | foss ocr programs: http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ :: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9676 | 17:49 |
| ybit | <-tesseract-> http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ :: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html :: Clara http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_7668.html | 17:50 |
| fenn | i haven't had much luck fos FOSS OCR | 17:51 |
| bkero | ybit: tesseract is the only one worth a damn | 17:51 |
| bkero | and tesseract is a MOTHERBITCH TO SET UP | 17:51 |
| ybit | quirky is the word linux journal used | 17:51 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 5da2d5afacf7 /readme: update the readme to reflect new directory structure | 17:51 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 4150900e41dd /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: clean up analytical-instrumentation | 17:51 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 676387fba22a /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: yamlification of analytical-instrumentation | 17:51 |
| bkero | Well, to set it up on gentoo | 17:51 |
| bkero | I had to make ebuilds for 3 packages that weren't there | 17:51 |
| kanzure | tesseract is terrible for OCRing papers | 17:51 |
| * kanzure is speaking from experience | 17:52 | |
| bkero | That didn't have any point releases, so I had to roll back to a specific commit in revision control | 17:52 |
| bkero | Then patch that | 17:52 |
| bkero | Then isntall those, rename libraries, fix makefiles | 17:52 |
| bkero | Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats | 17:52 |
| * kanzure leers at CIA | 17:52 | |
| kanzure | oh | 17:52 |
| bkero | Then it might work | 17:52 |
| kanzure | good bot | 17:52 |
| ybit | 17:49 < bkero> Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats | 17:54 |
| * ybit thinks twice about tesseract being mostly vegeterian and all ;) | 17:55 | |
| ybit | who did you have to pray for when sacrificing cats? almighty tux or 17:51 < ybit> 17:49 < bkero> Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats | 17:57 |
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| ybit | stallman | 17:57 |
| ybit | grr | 17:57 |
| ybit | stupid putty pasting | 17:58 |
| ybit | joke isn't funny now if it ever had a chance of being so. | 17:58 |
| * ybit waves hands angrily at putty | 17:58 | |
| * ybit had an excuse to use the soldering station today. k-mart is installing hidden cameras because they suspect some employees are stealing, so i got to repair a spycam today | 18:00 | |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 68684a01d528 /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: bah, cleanup | 18:01 |
| ybit | didn't get to go soldering, gramps became worse today :| | 18:01 |
| ybit | </tweet> | 18:01 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r bee06af5baec /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: more cleaning | 18:24 |
| kanzure | MeSH tree 2009: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi | 18:51 |
| kanzure | "Laurie later revealed that he initially thought the show's central character was Dr. James Wilson. He assumed that House was a supporting part, until he received the full script of the pilot episode.[39] The son of a doctor, Ran Laurie, he said he felt guilty for "being paid more to become a fake version of [his] own father."[34] From the start of season 3, he was being paid $275,000 to $300,000 per episode, as much as three times what he had previously been making on the series.[40][41] By the show's fifth season, Laurie was earning around $400,000 per episode, making him one of the highest paid actors on network television.[42]" | 19:09 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(TV_series) | 19:09 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r df6b3bb73e08 /doc/proposals/biology-protocol-ontology.yaml: biology protocol ontology, not sure what to do with this | 19:42 |
| kanzure | dissociated cultures of cerebellar neurons: http://www.protocol-online.org/cgi-bin/prot/view_cache.cgi?ID=2624 | 19:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.jove.com/index/details.stp?ID=152 Culture of Mouse Neural Stem Cell Precursors (video protocol) | 19:45 |
| kanzure | doesn't look like UT has access to currentprotocols? wtf? http://www.currentprotocols.com/cell-culture | 19:46 |
| genehacker | odd | 19:46 |
| genehacker | intravenous administration of adenosine causes feelings of doom | 19:47 |
| draz|lab | kanzure: UT doesn't | 19:53 |
| draz|lab | kanzure: I don't thing UB does either | 19:53 |
| draz|lab | kanzure: aka I tried to get to current protocals the other day from your server | 19:53 |
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| kanzure | "Microfluidic culture platform for neuroscience research" | 20:19 |
| kanzure | http://natureprotocols.com/ | 20:29 |
| drazak | kanzure: you get nature protocals though? | 20:43 |
| drazak | we don't at the lab | 20:43 |
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| kanzure | various new neuro papers: | 21:03 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/?C=M;O=D | 21:03 |
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| QuantumG | Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit. | 21:11 |
| QuantumG | Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people's stuff. | 21:11 |
| QuantumG | - George Carlin | 21:11 |
| kanzure | yawn | 21:19 |
| kanzure | say something interesting please | 21:19 |
| fenn | i found this amusing | 21:21 |
| fenn | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/125449 | 21:21 |
| genehacker | choosing random wikipedia article | 21:36 |
| genehacker | "Bullet hell" (?? danmaku?, lit. "barrage" or "bullet curtain") is a shoot 'em up in which the entire screen is often almost completely filled with enemy bullets.[9] This type is also known as "curtain fire",[16] "manic shooters"[5] or "maniac shooters".[17] This style of game originated in the mid-1990s, and is an offshoot of scrolling shooters. | 21:37 |
| ybit | what's the best way to share your local files? | 21:46 |
| ybit | and let friends be notified of updates? | 21:47 |
| ybit | rss|atom|rsync|git? | 21:47 |
| ybit | |wget --mirror | 21:47 |
| kanzure | probably rsync | 21:51 |
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| ybit | i like how you can make comments when committing via git, wonder how this could be done with rsync | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * re17e9c4 / neuron-types.yaml : different types of neurons - http://bit.ly/JYvah | 21:59 |
| ybit | meh, doesn't matter unless it's code or a todo.org | 21:59 |
| ybit | and both can be handled through git | 22:00 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/neuron-types.yaml | 22:01 |
| ybit | sache just refers me back to tags bbdb and emacs on her site | 22:03 |
| kanzure | if you were going to give yourself a new sense, what would it be? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | todd kinda cheated by implanting giant magnets in his fingertips | 22:07 |
| kanzure | infrared vision might be nice | 22:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: haha, so much for all that productivity | 22:07 |
| ybit | meh, i kind of figured she was referencing her own maintained projects when she mentioned the other scripts in the linux world | 22:09 |
| ybit | ..article | 22:09 |
| ybit | \o/ Home-made Taq polymerase purification protocol | 22:09 |
| ybit | anyone here aside from me going the gnus|bbdb route? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | not at the moment, too busy acting like I'm being productive | 22:10 |
| ybit | i've been having trouble with nnimap and ssl :| | 22:10 |
| genehacker | I want a distance sensor on my back | 22:10 |
| ybit | and yet kmail works in seconds -_- | 22:11 |
| ybit | genehacker: rfid | 22:11 |
| ybit | kmail+dovecot that is | 22:11 |
| genehacker | No I want an ultrasonic sensor hooked up to a tactile stimulator | 22:11 |
| kanzure | nice overview: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/neurotransmitters_niemczycki.txt | 22:12 |
| genehacker | also want a radiation sense | 22:12 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:12 |
| kanzure | a geiger counter? | 22:12 |
| genehacker | *ionizing radiation | 22:12 |
| genehacker | yes | 22:12 |
| genehacker | a geiger counter | 22:12 |
| ybit | re:pretending to be productive, well you and fenn have sure fooled me | 22:13 |
| genehacker | so if I drive past a uranium deposit I'll know | 22:13 |
| kanzure | have you even tried running the code? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | :p | 22:13 |
| ybit | every flippin hour i recieve about ~5 txts from twitter about skdb | 22:13 |
| kanzure | oh, did I not turn that off? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | why are you getting text messages | 22:13 |
| ybit | nah, but it's cool | 22:13 |
| kanzure | does it wake you up at three in the morning? | 22:14 |
| ybit | because i subscribe to people.. because sometimes i get distracted from thinking about my todo.org at work | 22:14 |
| ybit | heh, i turn my cell ringer to alarm only at night | 22:14 |
| ybit | very nice overview of neurotransmitters | 22:16 |
| genehacker | kanzure automatic design discussion in reprap | 22:29 |
| genehacker | topic: PCB autorouters suck | 22:30 |
| genehacker | similar problems might arise for automatic design | 22:31 |
| fenn | undoubtedly | 22:32 |
| ybit | so.. apparently i've just recieved a lump sum of money but won't recieve it until i'm in my thirties.. | 22:36 |
| ybit | yay for money i may never recieve | 22:36 |
| kanzure | that's how I felt when my dad died | 22:37 |
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| ybit | wget http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=1345063&name=Four+Tet+4+Album | 22:57 |
| ybit | fast download and good music | 22:57 |
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| ybit | local huntsville makers channel is lame, all they talk about is movies and previous/upcoming meetings to discuss even more about movies | 23:52 |
| genehacker | >_> | 23:54 |
| genehacker | more like watchers channel | 23:54 |
| ybit | people might say that this channel just tweets about nothing if it weren't for some of you actually contributing relevant content | 23:55 |
| ybit | [Wed May 27 2009] [17:46:18] <brim-ackis> plotters, saws, engravers, hammers, ossiliscopes, etc | 23:55 |
| ybit | that's what their shop consists of | 23:55 |
| ybit | in the process of obtaining a welder | 23:56 |
| ybit | sounds kind of lmae | 23:56 |
| ybit | lame* | 23:56 |
| * ybit has that and more here | 23:56 | |
| genehacker | did you just say engraver? | 23:57 |
| genehacker | what sort of engraver? | 23:57 |
| genehacker | automatic? | 23:57 |
| genehacker | if it's not automatic then it's useless as far as I'm concerned | 23:57 |
| ybit | dunno, join #makerslocal and ask but don't be surprised if they completely ignore you and continue conversating about some movie they are or were watching | 23:57 |
| genehacker | what sort of movie? | 23:58 |
| ybit | i dunno | 23:58 |
| * ybit ignored that part | 23:58 | |
| genehacker | surely not the ones in theaters | 23:58 |
| genehacker | you need to know what people discuss before you can derail their conversation | 23:59 |
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