| --- Day changed Fri Aug 14 2009 | ||
| genehackerclone | huh what's up with google's logo | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| genehackerclone | it's a coil of wire wrapped around a nail hooked up to a battery near a compass? | 00:09 |
| genehackerclone | a solenoid? | 00:09 |
| QuantumG | hover of it | 00:10 |
| QuantumG | over | 00:10 |
| QuantumG | or even click on it | 00:11 |
| genehackerclone | tried clicking | 00:16 |
| genehackerclone | don't think they've updated it yet | 00:16 |
| QuantumG | I just clicked on it, it worked | 00:16 |
| QuantumG | http://www.google.com.au/#q=Hans+Christian+%C3%98rsted&ct=orsted09&oi=ddle&fp=c0054a8432a20d92 | 00:17 |
| QuantumG | is the url it gives | 00:17 |
| genehackerclone | ah there we are | 00:18 |
| genehackerclone | thanks | 00:18 |
| -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk | 00:29 | |
| * katsmeow-afk waves gnites | 00:29 | |
| genehackerclone | http://www.users.uswest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mold_mach_137.htm | 00:30 |
| genehackerclone | homebrew injection molding | 00:32 |
| fenn | someone please tell me why i'm still awake | 01:46 |
| fenn | the Swedish Moderate Party commented "Decriminalizing all non-commercial file sharing and forcing the market to adapt is not just the best solution. It's the only solution" | 02:05 |
| fenn | if that's the moderate party, what are the radicals like! | 02:05 |
| fenn | "It’s not where you take things from, it’s where you take them to." | 02:08 |
| genehackerclone | because you have forced a reset of your sleep cycle | 02:09 |
| fenn | possibly | 02:09 |
| genehackerclone | please refer to sleep cycle reset procedures to reset your sleep cycle | 02:09 |
| fenn | i did force myself to sleep yesterday at 3~ am | 02:09 |
| genehackerclone | blast | 02:09 |
| genehackerclone | I am suffering the consequences of having old out of date hardware | 02:10 |
| fenn | nonsense | 02:11 |
| fenn | it can't be worse than my laptop | 02:12 |
| genehackerclone | trying getting a music/picture/video application working on a DS with an obscure flashcart | 02:12 |
| fenn | btw gene did you stop to wonder why blacklight power has been 'validated' by some podunk college in the middle of nowhere, insted of Princeton which is right next door to them? | 02:13 |
| genehackerclone | HAHAHAHAHA | 02:14 |
| genehackerclone | awesome | 02:14 |
| fenn | keeping in mind that they have some $50M in funding to do with what they will | 02:14 |
| genehackerclone | apparently my old obscure flashcart that isn't really a flashcart | 02:15 |
| fenn | it's a bomb! | 02:15 |
| genehackerclone | is really a compact flash port hooked up to a tiny hard drive | 02:15 |
| fenn | oh neat | 02:15 |
| genehackerclone | since tiny harddrives are obsolete I can remove the tiny harddrive and put in a compact flash card | 02:16 |
| genehackerclone | with more storage capacity | 02:16 |
| fenn | meh | 02:16 |
| genehackerclone | though that'll have to wait | 02:16 |
| genehackerclone | because I'm going to mexico tomorrow | 02:16 |
| fenn | not quite so exciting when you live in texas | 02:20 |
| genehackerclone | I know | 02:21 |
| genehackerclone | mexico cozumel actually | 02:22 |
| genehackerclone | hmmm... | 02:22 |
| genehackerclone | would it be safe to replace the hard drive with a compact flash card? | 02:22 |
| genehackerclone | only one source says I can do this | 02:22 |
| fenn | safe? | 02:23 |
| genehackerclone | wouldn't a compact flash not be compatible because the drivers were different | 02:23 |
| fenn | no | 02:23 |
| fenn | CF is IDE in disguise | 02:23 |
| genehackerclone | you are correct | 02:24 |
| genehackerclone | looks like the company that made this uses compact flash in the same electronics | 02:25 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r df7bd7fc1726 /doc/todo/TODO: rawr | 02:26 |
| genehackerclone | rawr??? | 02:27 |
| fenn | RAWRRRR! | 02:28 |
| fenn | perhaps i should write a snazzy commit message generator | 02:29 |
| fenn | or i could just pick a random line from funny taglines or the BOFH excuses | 02:30 |
| genehackerclone | is there a funnytaglines.lib? | 02:36 |
| fenn | not sure where i got alltags.txt | 02:41 |
| fenn | the bofh excuses are from fortunes-bofh-excuses | 02:41 |
| fenn | apt-cache search fortune | 02:41 |
| genehackerclone | an automatic excuse generator? | 02:41 |
| fenn | yep | 02:42 |
| genehackerclone | wow | 02:42 |
| fenn | i have it set to provide an excuse every time i log in or type 'wtf' | 02:42 |
| genehackerclone | how well does it work? | 02:42 |
| fenn | very well thank you | 02:42 |
| genehackerclone | interesting | 02:43 |
| fenn | put this in .bashrc | 02:43 |
| fenn | alias wtf='n=$RANDOM ; let "n %= $(cat ~/.excuses | wc -l)" ;echo "WARNING: `head -n $n ~/.excuses |tail -n 1`"' | 02:43 |
| genehackerclone | is it anything like matlab's why command? | 02:43 |
| fenn | dunno i've never used matlab | 02:43 |
| genehackerclone | then log into the me appserver open matlab and type why | 02:44 |
| fenn | i dont have a student account (no citrix etc) | 02:45 |
| fenn | i'd like to play around with 20sim some time | 02:45 |
| genehackerclone | http://finengineer.blogspot.com/2006/02/matlab-why-function.html | 02:45 |
| fenn | matlab just looks like a sad excuse for mathematica | 02:45 |
| genehackerclone | 20 sim? | 02:45 |
| genehackerclone | MATLAB IS AWESOME | 02:45 |
| fenn | multi domain simulation | 02:46 |
| genehackerclone | I don't know the HERESY that is mathematic | 02:46 |
| genehackerclone | a | 02:46 |
| genehackerclone | blast | 02:46 |
| fenn | wrong matlab: http://jeffpatton.net/Blog-images/Matlab.jpg | 02:49 |
| fenn | ok matlab is boring | 02:50 |
| fenn | apt-get install fortunes-debian-hints | 02:50 |
| * fenn attempts to sleep again | 02:51 | |
| genehackerclone | how does one format a card? | 02:52 |
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| kanzure | microwave flash sintering of inkjet-printed silver tracks on polymer substrates: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Microwave%20flash%20sintering%20of%20inkjet-printed%20silver%20tracks%20on%20polymer%20substrates.pdf | 05:08 |
| kanzure | (from Superkuh) | 05:08 |
| genehackerclone | woah | 05:10 |
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| mason-l | I'm not sure if this counts: http://www.mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/Zombies.pdf titled: "When Zombies Attack!: Mathematical Modeling of an Outbreak of Zombie Infection" :) | 07:46 |
| kanzure | youtube currently is featuring a video with the title "Norwegian girl gets raped by a huge monkey" and it has 4,705,294 views | 08:11 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 08:11 |
| drazak | "containing 0.1% NaN3" | 08:11 |
| drazak | thank you antibody sheet | 08:11 |
| kanzure | huh google's logo changes from the regular one to the coiled one upon page load | 08:13 |
| kanzure | oh shit | 08:13 |
| drazak | it's sodium azide | 08:13 |
| kanzure | http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kai | 08:13 |
| kanzure | "Dragon Ball Kai (ドラゴンボール改 「カイ」) is an anime series that is an HD Remaster and Recut of Dragon Ball Z done for its 20th Anniversary." | 08:14 |
| kanzure | opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnvupMV9su4&feature=related | 08:14 |
| drazak | ... | 08:15 |
| kanzure | there's no better way to see the prince of all saiyans blasted into hell for eternity than in full 1080p HD. | 08:17 |
| drazak | man | 08:56 |
| drazak | you do realize | 08:56 |
| drazak | I stopped watching DB like, 8 years ago? | 08:56 |
| kanzure | well you can only watch it so many times | 09:37 |
| kanzure | but after that you just don't watch it any more | 09:37 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't mean that you've stopped knowing about it or something | 09:37 |
| drazak | yes, yes it does | 09:40 |
| drazak | nanananananananana | 09:40 |
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| kanzure | fenn: what was the name of the python web framework that worked with gtk but also over the web? | 10:04 |
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| kanzure | whole brain emulation roadmap: http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/3853/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 10:10 |
| fenn | pyjamas | 10:14 |
| fenn | apt-get remove python-apport | 10:14 |
| drazak | lets een here... | 10:15 |
| fenn | kanzure: "kai" just means "improved" or "corrected" | 10:16 |
| fenn | that particular kai at least.. | 10:16 |
| drazak | made the gel, in the fridge setting, aliquoted conditioned media, fed those cells, need to feed the other mscs, protein samples are done... hmm | 10:16 |
| drazak | could prepare the other samples for eliza... but I think I'll do that on wednesday or the monday after that, when I have 32 or 48 samples | 10:17 |
| drazak | instead of 16 | 10:17 |
| drazak | er, elisa | 10:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: I would have guessed "kai" would be a reference to the "ki" in the show ("energy") | 10:19 |
| drazak | can't get coffee until after lunch | 10:19 |
| drazak | I bet there's donuts in the coffee room though | 10:20 |
| -!- drazak is now known as draz|lab | 10:20 | |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] | 10:20 | |
| fenn | nah words dont work like that | 10:22 |
| kanzure | was assuming that I just knew an incorrect spelling | 10:22 |
| fenn | ki is also spelled qi or chi | 10:23 |
| kanzure | hell there are people still spelling out "saijyan" | 10:23 |
| fenn | saiyajin | 10:23 |
| fenn | (saiya people) | 10:23 |
| * kanzure thought the romanization was saiyan | 10:23 | |
| fenn | it is | 10:23 |
| fenn | there's two ways to romanize it | 10:23 |
| fenn | one is direct conversion of the phonetics | 10:24 |
| fenn | the other is using english semantics | 10:24 |
| kanzure | but anyway, there were people who would spell it not 'saiyan' and not 'saiyajin' | 10:24 |
| fenn | they're just idiots then | 10:24 |
| kanzure | no arguments there | 10:25 |
| kanzure | was just trying to show it's possible for me to be wrong with spelling when it comes to dbz | 10:25 |
| kanzure | I was a l33t hax0r back when I was watching it or something | 10:25 |
| kanzure | back when my spelling was absolutely terrible | 10:25 |
| fenn | right well 'kai' means about fifty things | 10:26 |
| kanzure | I think it also means "god" | 10:26 |
| fenn | so it doesnt matter how you spell it if you dont have the kanji | 10:26 |
| fenn | kami == god | 10:26 |
| fenn | sorta | 10:27 |
| kanzure | why do you use gp_Trsf().Multiply(trsf) sometimes? | 10:28 |
| kanzure | is the .Multiply() doing something that I should know about? | 10:29 |
| fenn | Multiply modifies the gp_Trsf | 10:30 |
| fenn | Multiplied does not(?) | 10:30 |
| kanzure | so you consecutively do gp_Trsf().Multiply() in order to "stack" transforms on top of one another? | 10:30 |
| fenn | right | 10:30 |
| fenn | at least i hope so | 10:30 |
| kanzure | thanks for the encouragement | 10:31 |
| kanzure | it would be nice to be able to say transform1+transform2 where transform1 might be Rotation and transform2 might be Translation (two classes in geom.py atm) | 10:34 |
| kanzure | but how would I keep track of the original transforms versus the "computed" transforms? | 10:35 |
| kanzure | the "computed" transforms are what you get when you do Multiply or Multiplied | 10:35 |
| kanzure | the "original transforms" are the Rotation or Translation objects | 10:35 |
| fenn | well.. | 10:35 |
| fenn | each part has a transform right? | 10:35 |
| fenn | so if you build up a tree of parts you traverse to the root of the tree, multiplying by each part's transform along the way | 10:36 |
| kanzure | I'm just trying to make a tree of transforms, not a tree of parts | 10:36 |
| fenn | same thing i guess | 10:36 |
| kanzure | well the issue is how to deal with OCC bullshit in this case | 10:37 |
| fenn | makes more sense to me that the parts are connected | 10:37 |
| kanzure | because there's a difference between gp_Trsf and the Rotation or Translation objects that I have | 10:37 |
| kanzure | gp_Trsf doesn't keep the "history" of what it was | 10:37 |
| kanzure | so I'm writing some classes that wrap it up and *do* keep the "history" | 10:37 |
| fenn | you mean whether it was a rotation or translation originally? | 10:37 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:37 |
| fenn | (not sure why that matters really) | 10:37 |
| kanzure | for writing unit tests.. when you mate two parts for testing purposes, and they should result in (say) three translations and one rotation, you can check that that happens | 10:38 |
| kanzure | because it's possible for the system to screw up with the math for transforms and still get something that "looks right" | 10:38 |
| fenn | that's too finicky | 10:39 |
| fenn | the test should test the result, not what particular sequence of rotations it uses to get there | 10:39 |
| kanzure | but then if you debug it you won't know wtf happened when things go wrong | 10:40 |
| mason-l | <kanzure> fenn: what was the name of the python web framework that worked with gtk but also over the web? | 10:51 |
| mason-l | It was called pyjamas http://pyjs.org/ | 10:51 |
| mason-l | You create gui applications that render in webkit (using gtk) but can simultaneously translate to online ajax web-applications. | 10:52 |
| kanzure | oh they only render in webkit? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | that's lame | 10:53 |
| mason-l | no | 10:53 |
| kanzure | for the gui you have to have webkit installed? | 10:53 |
| mason-l | I mean it uses webkit to render the main gui. | 10:53 |
| mason-l | Yes | 10:53 |
| mason-l | Otherwise it translates to a ajax web-application seamlessly. | 10:54 |
| mason-l | (At least from what I've heard/read, I haven't used it myself). | 10:54 |
| mason-l | Personally I wouldn't use it myself but it sounds useful. | 10:55 |
| mason-l | I take it that was what you were thinking of though? | 10:55 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:56 |
| kanzure | fenn was wondering why I was using django | 10:56 |
| kanzure | so he went off and found pyjamas | 10:56 |
| kanzure | subsequently I proceeded to forget the name of it | 10:56 |
| kanzure | thus, my life story | 10:56 |
| kanzure | popcorn at the frontdesk for $9 | 10:56 |
| mason-l | http://github.com/lkcl/pyjamas-desktop/tree/master <- Hasn't been actively developed for over 5 months. | 10:56 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | hey, you're from uzbl? | 10:57 |
| mason-l | Yeah, I wrote uzbl_tabbed.py & the cookie_daemon.py | 10:57 |
| kanzure | haven't tried those yet | 10:57 |
| * kanzure needed uzbl to exist about two years ago. | 10:57 | |
| mason-l | I'm not biases or nothin' but they are the best :P | 10:57 |
| mason-l | s/biases/biased/ | 10:58 |
| kanzure | I was in #uzbl the other day ranting about some ideas for making a scraping system | 10:58 |
| kanzure | so that I don't have to keep on revisiting these silly websites | 10:58 |
| mason-l | ... Like an RSS framework? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | not necessarily | 10:58 |
| kanzure | the idea is to let the user visually identify elements on the page that are of interest | 10:59 |
| mason-l | I'm just not sure what you mean. | 10:59 |
| kanzure | and then figure out the xpaths for those elements | 10:59 |
| kanzure | then put these xpaths into a file that can later be used as a scraper-template | 10:59 |
| mason-l | And only render those elements? | 10:59 |
| kanzure | nope :) | 10:59 |
| kanzure | it will dump those elements into a file | 10:59 |
| kanzure | which can then be used by a generic scraper framework that either I'm working on or will steal from someone (dunno yet) | 10:59 |
| kanzure | see, I secretly hate the webs | 10:59 |
| kanzure | and I think surfraw is the best thing ever | 11:00 |
| * mason-l has heard of surfraw.. | 11:00 | |
| kanzure | but I'm no idiot: I know pages change, and I know how much it sucks | 11:00 |
| kanzure | so when it *does* change, the idea would be to pop up uzbl and let me fix it ASAP | 11:00 |
| kanzure | without having to meditate over a few thousand lines of bullshit perl | 11:00 |
| mason-l | Perl is incomprehensible :P | 11:01 |
| kanzure | as much as I like uzbl, the idea would be to be in uzbl for as short as possible at a time :) | 11:01 |
| kanzure | the rest of the time I should be in my shell working | 11:01 |
| kanzure | $ google-search "my query goes here" | 11:01 |
| kanzure | uzbl-notifier: error! Google has updated its bullshit. Fix now? [Y/n] | 11:01 |
| kanzure | then my uzbl plugin should pop up and let you fix the xpath selections | 11:02 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's only really just for me or other people who hate the webs | 11:02 |
| mason-l | surfraw looks awesome :) | 11:03 |
| kanzure | the problem is that the plugins die so frequently | 11:03 |
| kanzure | it's hard to keep up | 11:03 |
| kanzure | zotero is a firefox plugin that has a fairly active team of people fixing their translators/scrapers | 11:03 |
| kanzure | but the problem is that their translators/scrapers only work in firefox (wtf) | 11:03 |
| kanzure | so ideally I'd also be pushing on them a generic file format for specifying what to scrape on a page (via specifying the xpaths) | 11:03 |
| kanzure | this is somewhat the idea behind pyscholar, except pyscholar doesn't work at the moment (it's my scholarly-related scraper framework -- it thinks it's zotero, except it's in python) | 11:04 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pyscholar/ | 11:04 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 16638c280b40 / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): update test_geom and geom for test_rotation and test_translation | 11:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you fix my rotation test? I don't know what the answer should be | 11:35 |
| fenn | kanzure: if you find yourself using len() you're probably doing it wrong | 11:39 |
| fenn | just in general | 11:39 |
| fenn | this is not C | 11:39 |
| kanzure | how do you do method overloads | 11:39 |
| fenn | i dont know | 11:41 |
| fenn | i think you just check the argument type | 11:42 |
| kanzure | http://thebigboss.org/temp/desk.jpg | 11:42 |
| fenn | all i need is an xterm :P | 11:42 |
| kanzure | minimalist :( | 11:43 |
| fenn | anyway i like keyword arguments | 11:43 |
| fenn | i dont see why you'd want to overload rotation anyway | 11:44 |
| fenn | it's not that hard to do rotation(gp_Ax1(foo)) vs rotation(foo) | 11:45 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 307b035f9b4c /unittests/test_geom.py: the answer | 11:48 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 79928bdefe95 /geom/geom.py: use named arguments | 11:49 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r b229ce035fa0 /packages/lego/demo.py: remove old comments | 11:50 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 216674e70fa0 /geom/geom.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 11:50 |
| fenn | i think rotation/translation should be a class if you're trying to store them | 11:51 |
| fenn | else do rotate() translate() | 11:51 |
| kanzure | not trying to store them | 11:51 |
| kanzure | I deleted that code | 11:51 |
| * fenn runs around outside | 11:52 | |
| * kanzure sees him in a chair | 11:52 | |
| kanzure | I question your /me's | 11:52 |
| fenn | future present tense | 11:52 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 478bca3609ac /unittests/test_geom.py: fix the calls in test_geom | 11:53 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 546853e5fef4 /packages/lego/demo.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 11:53 |
| ybit | man it feels good not to be sick | 11:54 |
| ybit | </tweet> | 11:54 |
| * ybit loves it when the discussion turns into brain uploading every now and then, there are always some new, interesting takes on it | 11:55 | |
| ybit | exherbo is my new fav linux distro | 11:56 |
| ybit | so kanzure, was that an indication that you are considering experimenting with neuron stem cell cultures? | 11:58 |
| ybit | "Some time ago | 11:58 |
| ybit | I had some plans to start doing some neuron stem cell culture | 11:58 |
| ybit | experiments, but now I'm not sure why I'm not already doing that." | 11:59 |
| kanzure | yeah it's been in the back of my head for a while now | 11:59 |
| kanzure | just got lost under the cruft maybe | 11:59 |
| kanzure | snorting stem cells really does seem fascinating | 12:07 |
| kanzure | however cerebral migration needs to be confirmed more thoroughly imho | 12:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: your real answer is wrong | 12:10 |
| kanzure | angle=math.pi; result_point = [-5.0, 6.1230317691118863e-16, 0.0] | 12:20 |
| kanzure | angle=math.pi/2; result_point = [5.5511151231257827e-16, 5.0, 0.0] | 12:21 |
| kanzure | for rotating around the origin with respect to the z axis | 12:21 |
| kanzure | I guess that seems right. | 12:22 |
| * kanzure imagines a circle on the xy plane | 12:24 | |
| mason-l | Do you guys enjoy your projecteuler.net? | 12:28 |
| ybit | mason-l: were you here when i posted that link? | 12:52 |
| ybit | i enjoy those type of challenges, maybe too much, which is why i've created my own 'game of life' | 12:52 |
| ybit | to challenges that seem more immediately relevant to my personal goals | 12:53 |
| ybit | to +tackle | 12:53 |
| strages | anyone want to discuss meteorology? | 13:44 |
| strages | well not in general, specific cloud forming | 13:50 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 13:53 |
| kanzure | have any cloud seeds? | 13:53 |
| ybit | too lazy to go storm chasing, so you want to create your own, strages? ;) | 13:55 |
| kanzure | maybe it's for the evil mad scientist backdrop | 13:56 |
| kanzure | this is an imperative component of the scene, ybit | 13:56 |
| ybit | of course, how could i forget | 13:56 |
| ybit | alright time to think through a few things and get them typed.. | 14:11 |
| strages | It's pretty easy to create a cloud in a container | 14:15 |
| strages | boiling water and a cold layer | 14:15 |
| ybit | oh right meteorology, /me was about to talk about creating MEAs | 14:15 |
| kanzure | ybit: your homework is to design me a damn adder | 14:15 |
| strages | but I want to be able to create a rain cloud, with precipitation | 14:15 |
| kanzure | ybit: I think that's a good start. | 14:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: interfacing with electrodes is down the line, but seriously- digital logic circuit design is a very good place to start | 14:16 |
| fenn | supposedly if you dump powdered barium titanate into the stratosphere it will spread out over hundreds of miles | 14:17 |
| kanzure | how much time? | 14:17 |
| fenn | the grains then act as nucleation sites for condensation | 14:17 |
| fenn | a matter of hours | 14:17 |
| strages | but that | 14:17 |
| kanzure | what's the wind velocity? | 14:17 |
| strages | *that's too large | 14:17 |
| fenn | there's not much air up there | 14:17 |
| fenn | the spreading is due to electrostatic repulsion between the particles | 14:18 |
| fenn | (supposedly the military or <insert spooky illuminati conspiracy here> is doing this for weather modification with "scalar wave electrogravitics" or somesuch, or maybe just as an artificial ionosphere for over the horizon radar) | 14:19 |
| strages | is it possible to creat multiple atmospheres in a single enclosed space? | 14:19 |
| fenn | atmospheres? | 14:19 |
| strages | pressure wise | 14:19 |
| ybit | kanzure: today's todo consist of finishing scanning manufacturing processes reference guide, writing a roadmap for hackerspaces to develop and experiment with MEAs, finding the appropriate tabbing schema, reconfiguring dovecot, a few errands in town, getting weechat-otr to f'ing work, finalizing configurations in weechat, and if all that is complete, start working with bbdb | 14:19 |
| fenn | strages: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjCmwuGKR6g | 14:19 |
| kanzure | you mean more than 1 atm? | 14:19 |
| strages | yes | 14:19 |
| ybit | what's your plan to experiment with neuron tissue cultures, kanzure? | 14:20 |
| strages | fenn: yeah I've seen that before | 14:20 |
| kanzure | ybit: nothing in particular yet. gfp expression maybe, then on to infrared photoreceptors in mouse eyes | 14:21 |
| fenn | compressed gas cylinders go up to 500atm, but they're dangerous | 14:21 |
| strages | not quite what I meant | 14:21 |
| fenn | you mean like a big dome like the superdome? | 14:22 |
| strages | like a smaller version of our atmosphere, perhaps not as complex | 14:22 |
| fenn | 1 atm = 14.5psi | 14:22 |
| fenn | do you mean "troposphere"? | 14:22 |
| strages | I need to cloud layer to be floating below the top of the container | 14:22 |
| strages | rather than forming at the top | 14:22 |
| strages | by container, I'm thinking ~6ft tall plexiglass box | 14:23 |
| fenn | how about a fog machine | 14:24 |
| strages | not a real cloud | 14:24 |
| fenn | fluffy cotton candy? | 14:24 |
| strages | *sigh* nevermind | 14:24 |
| fenn | i think clouds are the size they are because of the rate of thermal emission from atmospheric gas at around water's condensation temperature at earth normal pressure | 14:25 |
| strages | cloud synthesis in a small controlled environment with the goal of small scale precipitation is what I want | 14:26 |
| strages | precipitation from the cloud, not the container | 14:27 |
| fenn | i dont know how you'd simulate the blackness of space in a box (a cold flat plate would collect condensation instead of causing it to form in the center) | 14:27 |
| fenn | maybe if you coated with something extremely hydrophobic like rain-X | 14:29 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 68e21d1d7b4a /unittests/test_geom.py: because bryan is too lazy to add a Point class so i can overload == operator | 14:48 |
| draz|lab | I am really tired | 14:49 |
| draz|lab | and almost free for the day | 14:50 |
| draz|lab | I have to wash my membrane, and block the other one | 14:50 |
| fenn | how come there's no blotting machine? i bet you could retrofit a photography developer machine | 14:50 |
| draz|lab | no | 14:51 |
| fenn | i mean why are people doing this by hand in 2009 | 14:51 |
| draz|lab | not easily | 14:51 |
| fenn | bah | 14:51 |
| draz|lab | most print developing machines are roller based | 14:51 |
| draz|lab | you wouldn't have the constant contact needed | 14:51 |
| draz|lab | also not enough chemicals | 14:52 |
| fenn | well anyway it doesn't seem like an amazingly difficult challenge | 14:52 |
| fenn | to make one from scratch | 14:52 |
| draz|lab | they only let you use 5 chemicals in a print developer machine | 14:52 |
| fenn | i'd be surprised if there were more than that in a blot | 14:52 |
| draz|lab | well, lemme rephrase, it's enough chemicals but it's not able to reuse chemicals | 14:52 |
| draz|lab | ie. you can't have it in wws, and then in blocking, then in wws, then in primary, then in wws, then in secondary, then in wws | 14:53 |
| draz|lab | you'd need to be able to use 7 chemicals for that | 14:53 |
| draz|lab | if using a photo print developing machine | 14:53 |
| draz|lab | I guess you could do it in a kodachrome machine | 14:54 |
| draz|lab | but that's lulz way too muc | 14:54 |
| draz|lab | h | 14:54 |
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| fenn | kanzure did you ever do anything with CSG or collision? | 14:56 |
| draz|lab | another 2 minutes of washing | 15:18 |
| draz|lab | er, 20 minutes | 15:18 |
| draz|lab | and 20 minutes of blocking for the other blot | 15:19 |
| draz|lab | I should label that other blot | 15:19 |
| * draz|lab feels way too lazy | 15:19 | |
| draz|lab | I need to remember to put it in the pharm fridge | 15:19 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 3d79231d67d8 /geom/geom.py: import OCC.Precision into geom/geom.py | 17:03 |
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| kanzure | fenn: no not yet | 17:05 |
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| ybit | well, that was a fun prank. my bro was at my house and i was tunneled into the computer.. we were on the phone and i had the computer to play a sound clip which says to stop browsing porn, acted like i heard it over the phone and told him it's not cool to be doing that on my computer.. that it only plays when you are browsing pr0n online :) | 17:14 |
| kanzure | how did you know the volume would be on? | 17:19 |
| ybit | kanzure, rmembered | 17:21 |
| ybit | plus you can check with alsa mixer | 17:21 |
| ybit | and listen from the phone if it plays | 17:21 |
| * ybit didn't check, just listened | 17:21 | |
| ybit | i bet i could do custom messages with echo "blah" > blah.txt ; speexenc blah.txt blah.spx ; speexdec blah.wav ; mplayer blah.wav ...or something like that | 17:23 |
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| ybit | well.. something like that... missing a step or two before speexenc | 17:25 |
| kanzure | there's a simpler way to do it that superkuh was using for his pdfs that I once took a look at, though I don't remember what he was piping to | 17:27 |
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| * ybit hasn't read the diy protein purification email yet | 17:33 | |
| ybit | just the headline... | 17:33 |
| * ybit needs to read | 17:33 | |
| * ybit wonders what the running time is.. and if protein purification is cheaper or faster with the cdrom drive | 17:33 | |
| ybit | what's the cryeuro.eu wiki which eugen leitl speaks of? | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | if you wanted to be an ass, you could do some inkjet printing of neural tissue cultures with axon growth proteins in certain directions to make it mimic an artificial neural network that you pre-train on a computer | 17:54 |
| kanzure | then you can claim "look! I've converted from an artifical neural network to a biological neural network!" | 17:54 |
| kanzure | however it's really not as interesting as it sounds | 17:54 |
| kanzure | or how others would make it sound at least | 17:54 |
| kanzure | what happened to 256 740 2037? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: be sure to use reload() when doing python stuff in the future.. much easier than rebooting the interpreter every 5 seconds | 18:04 |
| fenn | reload() nice | 18:07 |
| fenn | how do i get actual numbers out of this graph? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosphere_model.png | 18:08 |
| fenn | presumably the horizontal gray lines mean something | 18:08 |
| kanzure | luckily all of the gray thingies are the same size | 18:09 |
| kanzure | sorry | 18:09 |
| kanzure | green thingies | 18:09 |
| fenn | specifically i want density at 40km | 18:09 |
| kanzure | logarithm? | 18:10 |
| fenn | yes it's a log plot, but there are only 8 lines! | 18:10 |
| kanzure | log base 8? | 18:10 |
| fenn | they aren't even spaced right at the top | 18:11 |
| fenn | maybe i should just pretend there are 10 | 18:11 |
| fenn | stupid navy | 18:11 |
| draz|lab | have any of you done gel shift assays? | 18:11 |
| fenn | why can't they just give me a nice formula | 18:11 |
| ybit | what's the simplest/fastest method for protein purification? what's the cheapest? hmmm... | 18:12 |
| fenn | tofu | 18:12 |
| fenn | er, "curdling" i'd say | 18:12 |
| fenn | denatures the protein in the process though | 18:12 |
| fenn | shampoo conditioner contains a lot of soluble wheat protein so whatever they use for that i guess | 18:13 |
| ybit | didn't we discuss su-8 several times before? | 18:14 |
| draz|lab | fenn: the sds in shampoos makes the proteins soluble | 18:14 |
| ybit | costs of purchasing it versus producing it yourself... | 18:14 |
| draz|lab | fenn: all (almost all) shampoo contains sodium dodecyl sulfate, sds, or sodium laurate | 18:14 |
| fenn | i'm talking about conditioner | 18:15 |
| fenn | SDS is just soap | 18:15 |
| draz|lab | sds makes proteins soluble | 18:15 |
| draz|lab | it denatures them | 18:15 |
| fenn | not necessarily | 18:15 |
| draz|lab | well | 18:15 |
| draz|lab | depends on what you do | 18:15 |
| draz|lab | you're right, I guess | 18:15 |
| fenn | but i meant however they get the protein out of the wheat without denaturing it | 18:16 |
| fenn | not "how does shampoo work" | 18:16 |
| fenn | wow yahoo answers really sucks compared to two years ago | 18:16 |
| fenn | "it makes your hair more manageable" | 18:17 |
| kanzure | yahoo has always sucked | 18:17 |
| kanzure | it's like hotmail users being redirected to yahoo but taking a wrong turn at neopets and somehow ending back up at yahoo through a couple more wrong turns | 18:18 |
| fenn | blech.. silicone polymers in some conditioners | 18:18 |
| fenn | only the finest vegenaise for me | 18:18 |
| fenn | i think you mean 'beanie babies' | 18:18 |
| fenn | so neopets is like pokemon on steroids? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | no clue what it is now, | 18:20 |
| kanzure | but back in the day, it was just a website with an RPG hardcoded into the server | 18:20 |
| kanzure | so you clicked around on pages to do stuff | 18:20 |
| kanzure | in 2006 I started seeing ads on television for neopets so I have no idea what they're up to | 18:21 |
| kanzure | my web-rpg never got ads on tv :/ so I guess someone must have liked their site | 18:21 |
| kanzure | it's much like gaiaonline | 18:21 |
| kanzure | also, python's super() makes no sense | 18:21 |
| fenn | don't use super, just use the name of the class | 18:22 |
| fenn | Foo.__init__() instead of (i dont want to even say it) | 18:22 |
| kanzure | huh | 18:22 |
| kanzure | well thanks | 18:22 |
| kanzure | dumdedum why don't they say that in the documentation | 18:22 |
| kanzure | instead of all this bullshit about how weird super is? | 18:23 |
| fenn | er, Foo.__init__(self) | 18:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=236275 | 18:23 |
| ybit | "Spiral cuff electrodes are manufactured using silicone rubber sheets in combination with platinum foils, welded to stainless steel wires." | 18:23 |
| fenn | things to know about super: nothing, probably | 18:23 |
| ybit | grr, the pdf reader in IE su | 18:24 |
| ybit | cks | 18:24 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://pdfreaders.org/ | 18:25 |
| ybit | eh? | 18:25 |
| * ybit isn't going to download stuff to this comp | 18:25 | |
| ybit | brb | 18:25 |
| * fenn wonders how ybit is going to control the tentacles supporting the electrodes | 18:26 | |
| ybit | as i was saying... | 18:29 |
| ybit | Selective control of muscle activation with a multipolar nerve cuff electrode." | 18:29 |
| ybit | paper to grab ^ | 18:29 |
| kanzure | wonder if the neural stem cells could be made to drip out of the nose as well | 18:30 |
| kanzure | or not necessarily the stem cells but some sort of cell coming from the brain | 18:30 |
| kanzure | a "stem cell fountain gushing from the nose" | 18:30 |
| kanzure | (as opposed to using extracts of the testis) | 18:30 |
| ybit | as well as Multichannel neural cuff electrodes with integrated multiplexer circuit | 18:31 |
| fenn | er. sperm cells aren't stem cells | 18:31 |
| ybit | as well as "Culturing Nerve Cells" MIT press 1991 | 18:31 |
| ybit | okay i want everything referenced here http://ybit.ath.cx/docs/papers/Fabrication%20of%20Multi-Electrode%20Array%20Devices%20for%20Electrophysiological%20Monitoring%20of%20In-Vitro%20Cell%20Tissue%20Cultures.pdf | 18:31 |
| kanzure | haha | 18:37 |
| draz|lab | so none of you have done gel shift assays? | 18:37 |
| ybit | draz|lab: not yet, why do you ask? | 18:41 |
| kanzure | to what extent is the metabolic activity of the brain constrained by the constructal law's interaction with the circulatory system in there anyway? (various routing issues) | 18:44 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/docs/papers/SU-8%20a%20low-cost%20negative%20resist%20for%20MEMS.pdf or http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/SU-8%20a%20low-cost%20negative%20resist%20for%20MEMS.pdf | 18:53 |
| draz|lab | ybit: uhm apparently the PI at my lab is going to do one | 18:57 |
| draz|lab | he did some really good ones as a grad student | 18:57 |
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| ybit | whowas drt? | 18:57 |
| drazak | drt? | 18:57 |
| ybit | i take it wasn't you | 19:01 |
| ybit | Lee K Y, LaBianca N, Zolgharnain S, Rishton S A, | 19:01 |
| ybit | Gelorme J D, Shaw J M and Chang T H P 1995 J. Vac. | 19:01 |
| ybit | Sci Technol. B 13 3012.6 | 19:01 |
| ybit | need that paper as well.. | 19:01 |
| ybit | (/me keeps typing notes to himself on irc, my bad) | 19:01 |
| drazak | nope | 19:01 |
| drazak | we're Lee, T | 19:01 |
| drazak | we're/the PI is | 19:01 |
| ybit | eh? | 19:02 |
| ybit | i know the name of your lab, just not sure why you brought it up :) | 19:02 |
| kanzure | ybit: don't mind as much. just be sure to tell us what the reference actually is about :) | 19:02 |
| kanzure | or why you want it or something | 19:02 |
| kanzure | it just makes it slightly more motivating for us to go grab it | 19:02 |
| ybit | it's the first reference from the su-8 papers i just linked to... that's all it tells me.. | 19:02 |
| * ybit isn't concerned about motivating others to go grab it, but i suppose that would be nice | 19:03 | |
| kanzure | did you look at the su8 folder on adl yet? | 19:03 |
| ybit | The resist described in this work was developed by IBM | 19:03 |
| ybit | [1]. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | hm guess it's not there | 19:03 |
| ybit | really? it was there at some point right? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | ok somebody yell at me to eventually upload papers/su8/ | 19:04 |
| kanzure | no | 19:04 |
| * ybit yells at kanzure to upload su8 papers to /su8 eventually | 19:04 | |
| kanzure | heh | 19:06 |
| ybit | Recently the HARMST | 19:07 |
| ybit | technology (high-aspect ratio microsystems) has met a new | 19:07 |
| ybit | limit in thickness with the UV illumination: 300 m [3]. | 19:07 |
| ybit | that's awfully thick | 19:07 |
| ybit | that's microns if anyone didn't recieve the symbol | 19:08 |
| ybit | this paper sucks | 19:10 |
| * fenn wishes u were the standard SI prefix | 19:10 | |
| drazak | ybit: because your thing said Lee KY, and I was kidding about it no tbing our lab | 19:10 |
| drazak | of course, every other paper is Lee et al and Wang et al | 19:10 |
| kanzure | what's up with that anway | 19:10 |
| kanzure | *anyway | 19:10 |
| kanzure | change yer name | 19:10 |
| drazak | exactly | 19:10 |
| kanzure | Lee NotWang | 19:10 |
| kanzure | NautWang | 19:11 |
| fenn | ouch | 19:12 |
| ybit | there's already a standard for deviating between Wangs as being female or male (nowang haswang) | 19:12 |
| fenn | can he tie it in a bow? | 19:12 |
| ybit | "{ | 19:12 |
| ybit | :P ** | 19:12 |
| kanzure | can he tie it in a not? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | knot | 19:13 |
| ybit | if he can tie it in a bow, i'm guessing the knot's not a problem | 19:13 |
| ybit | minus blood circulation | 19:13 |
| kanzure | what, you can't tie yours in a knot? | 19:14 |
| ybit | kanzure: it is time to upload those su8 papers | 19:14 |
| kanzure | wah. /me goes off to upload | 19:14 |
| kanzure | ok uploading | 19:15 |
| kanzure | 30 3 papers to go. | 19:15 |
| kanzure | er, 33 papers | 19:15 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/SU-8/ | 19:16 |
| kanzure | ok guess I had less in there than I remembered | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidics/ will have other interesting SU8/PDMS papers however | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/SU-8/memscyclopedia-su8.html | 19:17 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 8cc4c0eaf505 /geom/geom.py: added Point, Vector, Transform, Rotation, Translation classes to geom- generic wrappers of stuff from OpenCASCADE. todo: stackable transforms. | 19:21 |
| kanzure | should you have to say transform1+transform2 or transform1*transform2? | 19:22 |
| kanzure | (under the hood the idea is to do gp_Trsf.Multiplied()) | 19:22 |
| * fenn dreads | 19:24 | |
| fenn | i wouldnt bother with operator overloading since nobody's going to be using it except maybe on one line in all the code | 19:25 |
| ybit | where's the paper on making su-8, that's what i want | 19:25 |
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| ybit | how low cost are we talking, i keep hearing su-8 is low-cost.. | 19:39 |
| ybit | s/hearing/reading | 19:40 |
| ybit | Even in the wizarding world, hearing voices isn't a good thing | 19:43 |
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| ybit | http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/Journals/LC/article.asp?doi=b500519a :: Fabrication of SU-8 multilayer microstructures based on successive CMOS compatible adhesive bonding and releasing steps | 19:48 |
| kanzure | ybit: I'd look into the polymer recipe rather than any of the stepwise lithography papers | 19:52 |
| ybit | such as..? | 19:53 |
| ybit | nothing on su-8 synthesis | 19:55 |
| fenn | foo = yaml.load('!point {y: 2, x: 1, z: 3}'); foo.Coord() | 19:58 |
| fenn | (1.0, 2.0, 3.0) | 19:58 |
| fenn | good work kanzure | 19:58 |
| fenn | i dont suppose we could make it a list too :P | 19:58 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | huh okay | 20:00 |
| kanzure | yeah I think it should be ok to make it a list .. that just sounds like it's a FennObject issue more than anything else | 20:00 |
| kanzure | wasn't there a way to make a tag parse a certain way based off of whatever the hell it wants to treat the input as? | 20:01 |
| kanzure | are you actually writing any code? | 20:05 |
| kanzure | and which files should I stay away from if I want to avoid automerge issues? | 20:06 |
| ybit | 19:20 < kanzure> one thing on my todo list is a spin coater | 20:07 |
| ybit | July 12 | 20:07 |
| ybit | 21 ** | 20:07 |
| ybit | didn't we discuss cheap ways of doing this before | 20:07 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:07 |
| kanzure | cdrom-stack-case + dc motor | 20:08 |
| ybit | my logs are failing me | 20:08 |
| kanzure | sometime after I said that on that evening I mentioned a link to a ridiculously simple spin coater setup | 20:08 |
| kanzure | parameters passed to the pyldraw recursive write method for stacked transforms: current_matrix = current_matrix * obj.matrix, current_position = current_position + current_matrix * obj.position | 20:11 |
| kanzure | not really sure how a vector can be added to a matrix | 20:13 |
| kanzure | does that make sense? /me checks numpy | 20:13 |
| kanzure | nope apparently not | 20:15 |
| kanzure | so wtf? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | as usual pyldraw implements its own matrix math routines | 20:16 |
| kanzure | how typical | 20:16 |
| ybit | aha, i linked to this in here... | 20:16 |
| kanzure | ah it does something different if the other thingy is a Vector | 20:16 |
| ybit | http://nathan.instras.com/projects/spin-coater/index.html | 20:16 |
| kanzure | yeah | 20:16 |
| kanzure | seems simple enough :) | 20:17 |
| kanzure | and it returns a vector? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/geometry.py is from pyldraw, take a look | 20:18 |
| kanzure | heh class AngleUnits | 20:18 |
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| ybit | http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/euthanasia.pdf | 20:49 |
| * ybit wants to know.. again.. what the city guidelines are on this.. does it have to be performed at a uni | 20:49 | |
| ybit | almost there... http://grants.nih.gov/grants/olaw/references/phspol.htm | 20:53 |
| ybit | s/city/federal | 20:56 |
| ybit | http://www.jefferson.edu/oar/manual/man10202.pdf :: U.S. Government Principles for the Utilization and Care of Vertebrate Animals Used in Testing, Research and Training | 20:57 |
| splicer | (the animals are there for us to eat, wear and experiment on) | 21:00 |
| ybit | todo: nag PHS Monday morning | 21:03 |
| ybit | splicer: ? | 21:03 |
| splicer | it was on an old album cover for a band named 'cat rapes dog'... they didn't invent it though... don't remember where they got it from. | 21:05 |
| splicer | (it was designed to piss of animal rights people) | 21:06 |
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| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r ac8ab266d513 /unittests/test_geom.py: too many global namespaces is confusing | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r b16c35a54a80 /geom/geom.py: geom.Point now dumps+loads yaml | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r d8a369eedaee /core/yamlcrap.py: enable non-scalar yaml_reprs | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 1f5b36bf77f1 /core/skdb.py: util for removing icky float errors from repr | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r fcc2b73ed6fb / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): represent Point in yaml as a sequence and fix ugly floats | 21:59 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 57389b7c1350 /geom/geom.py: keep yaml from barfing on scientific notation, and implement == operator | 21:59 |
| kanzure | gah do we really have to go through and wrap all the crappy OCC classes? | 22:01 |
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| fenn | in Vector: __init__ = Point.__init__ | 22:14 |
| kanzure | PrimPrimativeSuperClass | 22:15 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 9ec4fa63e0c6 / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): factored out common elements of Point, Vector, Direction | 22:51 |
| fenn | train tickets cost the same as airplane tickets - no wonder amtrak is doing poorly | 23:06 |
| fenn | well ok it's somewhat less.. $262 round trip | 23:07 |
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