2009-08-20.log

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katsmeow-afk IBM’s approach of using DNA molecules as scaffolding -- where millions of carbon nanotubes could be deposited and self-assembled into precise patterns by sticking to the DNA molecules - may provide a way to reach sub-22 nm lithography. 01:09
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kanzurehttp://xkcd.com/624/07:07
kanzure"GitHub for Lesbians: Just because you can't get married doesn't mean you can't commit"07:07
kanzure< mollusc> [mollusc@desktop ~]$ yum search cigars07:15
kanzure< mollusc> Warning: No matches found for: cigars07:15
kanzure< mollusc> However am I supposed to smoke my cigar now? :307:15
kanzure< Kliment> rpmfind?07:15
any02554638http://xkcd.com/18/ can be taken a couple ways07:19
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drazakkanzure: ping07:49
drazakfenn: ping07:49
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kanzurehttp://www.xkcdb.com/?222008:16
kanzuredrazak: pong08:16
kanzurebut I have to go, so screw you :)08:16
drazakyeah, nevermind08:22
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CIA-32skdb: kanzure * r c3913a1 /test_transformation.py: a method for testing gp_Ax2 from an interactive session09:33
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fennapt-get install vnc4viewer xvnc4viewer10:03
fennvncserver10:03
fennxvnc4viewer10:03
fennedit .vnc/xstartup to point to your wm, i.e. icewm instead of twm (since twm isn't installed on ubuntu)10:04
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kanzureadded a feature request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/55/wx-threading-like-in-ipython10:14
kanzureadded an issue re: some ncurses crap in bpython: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/54/parsing-introspection-ncurses-viewer-neglects10:14
kanzurealso added pgup/pgdown as a request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/56/scroll-up-down-in-buffer-doesnt-work10:16
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kanzurefenn: that was vnc4server not vnc4viewer10:23
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fennpipes generator http://www.oyonale.com/modeles.php?lang=en&page=2013:19
fenn#macro MadPipe(rPipe,lPipe,nPipe,dPipe,box_container,box_hole,nDeco,sd,doFile,fn13:25
fenname)13:26
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kanzurewindow 1813:39
kanzurewell I fail at life13:39
genehackerhuh what happened?13:43
drazakkanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right?13:44
genehackerusing winblows?13:44
genehackertry hitting the computer harder13:45
bkeroBahaha http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989689000P13:45
kanzuredrazak: yeah13:46
kanzuregenehacker: no13:46
kanzurepythonOCC update to 0.3 .. might as well install that since I've been recompiling everything on my end anyway13:50
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fenn_adlrawr13:54
kanzurea wild fenn_adl appeared!13:54
kanzurequick, blastoise! use hydropump13:54
* fenn_adl counters with smelly sock attack13:55
ybitit won't work, he's not suceptible to water13:55
kanzurethen we'll have to use an aether-type attack13:55
kanzuremaxwell! use pde-solve13:55
fenn_adlso, as i'll be saying in approximately another 300 seconds:13:55
* kanzure rewrote fenn's existence13:55
fenn_adlthis doesn't look so bad: <ArtifactFile ArtifactFileType="1" ArtifactFileExtension="10134" >vacuumframe1-FILE</ArtifactFile>13:55
* kanzure starts counting13:55
kanzurefenn_adl: did you look at vacuumframe1-FILE on the adl box?13:56
fenn_adlso why are they referencing external files in this .repo file?13:56
kanzurethey are not external13:56
kanzurethey are actually in the dot repo file13:56
fenn_adlare they afraid of using a folder or something?13:56
kanzureI wrote a script to extract files from the dot repo file13:56
kanzureyeah apparently13:56
kanzurehonestly I don't know why they wanted to put the files in the xml file13:56
kanzureand base64 encode them even13:56
kanzureit makes it nearly impossible for me to get to the data13:56
kanzurelast year I had to write some base64 decoder by hacking the repositoryEntryApp 13:57
kanzurejust to see how the fuck they encoded the data13:57
kanzureso that I may have a chance of extracting the data13:57
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* kanzure doesn't remember whether or not he finished actually doing that13:57
kanzureat least I extracted the data13:57
kanzureit's somewhere on davinci.. have fun I guess13:57
fenn_adlvacuumframe1-FILE.10134 looks like ascii coded binary13:57
kanzurepath please13:58
kanzure /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo/irobot_roomba/vacuumframe1-FILE.10134 ?13:58
fenn_adlheh googling "10134" points to a lego kit13:58
fenn_adlyes13:58
kanzureare you sure that's not base64?13:58
fenn_adli dont care what you call it13:58
fenn_adlit's some sort of binary coding in ascii13:58
kanzureok thought you were referencing some particular encoding scheme13:59
fenn_adlso anyway what's the point of that?13:59
kanzureof putting files into an xml file?13:59
fenn_adlwhen they could just store the actual binary file13:59
fenn_adlit's not in the xml file13:59
kanzureyou're looking at the xml files that I "cleaned"13:59
fenn_adlhuh?13:59
fenn_adlthe -FILE.* stuff is your work?14:00
kanzureyes I extracted those from the xml files14:00
fenn_adloh.14:00
kanzurethis one should have the stuff in the XML: /home/bryan/lab/repo/irobot roomba.repo14:00
fenn_adli thought they had seen the light or something14:00
kanzureno14:00
kanzureer wait14:00
kanzurethat .repo file doesn't have it either14:00
kanzurewas there any external data for the roomba?14:00
kanzureoh there it is14:01
kanzureit's near the end (line 5180)14:01
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fenn_adlew that's all on one line14:01
kanzureyes14:01
kanzure3990342 chars14:02
kanzuresomewhere my perl scripts are resting away14:03
kanzurethe ones that extracted the data from the repository14:03
kanzurebut honestly I'm not too interested in storing all of this binary data in a git repository14:04
kanzurebecause it kind of totally misses the point14:04
kanzuremaybe storing them externally would be okay?14:04
fenn_adli dont understand xml14:04
kanzurelike, static content belongs at a static URI14:04
fenn_adlwhy do you need to say color twice? <Color ColorName="black" />14:04
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kanzurefenn_adl: because these guys probably generated the XML from the database14:04
kanzureand in the database table, I bet they have a table called Color14:04
kanzurewith a cell/column called "ColorName"14:04
kanzureso when they dump the data to xml, they probably just use the column name as the attribute name in the XML element14:05
kanzurenice to see you fenn14:05
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fenn_adl/home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo2/irobot_roomba14:30
kanzure /home/bryan/lab/read_indices.pl14:31
kanzureand make_pretty_3.pl14:31
kanzureand make_pretty_2.pl14:31
kanzureand extract_internal_repo_files.pl14:32
kanzurealso, I have no idea what this might be: base64decode.pl14:32
kanzurehuh these sound actually useful14:32
kanzureextract_internal_repo_files.pl has some comments14:33
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kanzurerob's repo stuff is now officially known as ..14:39
kanzureuh14:39
kanzurestonerepo14:39
kanzurehttp://designengineeringlaboratory.org/14:39
kanzuredelrepo14:40
kanzureok.14:40
kanzurefenn_adl: can you talk to me in the channel instead?14:41
kanzurehm vim was showing a <95> thingy that was really a single character14:42
kanzureI think this is the source of the encoding errors in monodevelop in SearchIO.cs (in graphsynth, in case anybody else is wondering what svn repo I'm talking about)14:42
fenn_adlglug14:45
fenn_adlstuff in /home/bryan/lab is not part of any other project right?14:46
kanzureum14:46
fenn_adlerm. the del repo scripts at least14:46
kanzurestuff in /home/bryan/lab/ has all sorts of crap14:46
fenn_adlbase64decode.pl and extract_internal_repo_files.pl etc14:46
kanzuredo you mean just those files? yes, just those perl scripts were only a part of this particular "XML dot repo file cleansing" project14:46
kanzureyou can move those into a subdir if you want14:47
kanzurenothing else really calls them14:47
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kanzureuh oh14:54
kanzurewhere's the actual svn repository?14:54
kanzureapparently /var/www/adl/ hasn't been updated since 2008-08-0814:54
kanzureand I'm fairly certain campbell has made some changes since then, right?14:54
fenn_adldunno14:54
kanzurefenn_adl: see also unbase64_CDDs.sh14:54
fenn_adli think /var/www/adl is it14:55
kanzurecheck the "svn log" on that or something14:55
kanzureor "svn changelist"14:55
kanzureor "svn info"14:55
kanzureoops, svn changelist doesn't do what I thought it would, sorry14:56
CIA-32skdb: fenn * r 86e22ca /import_tools/del_repo/readme: short explanation what these files are about14:56
CIA-32skdb: Bryan Bishop * r 20d9e80 /import_tools/del_repo/ (3 files): yay revision control14:56
fenn_adlhah14:56
kanzurehow do I get the equivalent of "git log" in svn?14:57
fenn_adlsvn log14:57
kanzurenope14:57
kanzurejust shows me the last three or something14:58
kanzureand even then doesn't show anything descriptive14:58
kanzurebecause campbell doesn't actually tell us what he's committing14:58
fenn_adlr94 is current?14:58
kanzureyes14:58
fenn_adl2009-08-20 14:53 transactions14:59
fenn_adlthat was in /var/www/adl14:59
kanzurewhat?14:59
kanzureokay looks good14:59
kanzurebut I would like to see the log though14:59
fenn_adl/var/www/adl/db/transactions14:59
kanzurejust for seeing what he's been up to14:59
fenn_adlwhat log?14:59
kanzurethere's no quivalent to "git log" ?14:59
fenn_adldoes campbell do commit messages?14:59
kanzurenot really14:59
kanzurebut maybe there's something like "git log -p"?15:00
kanzuregah I have to be the only guy on the planet that is asking for git->svn instead of svn->git15:00
fenn_adl svn log15:00
fenn_adlfenn@adl.serveftp.org's password: 15:00
fenn_adl------------------------------------------------------------------------15:00
fenn_adlr94 | bryan | 2009-08-20 14:53:14 -0500 (Thu, 20 Aug 2009) | 1 line15:00
fenn_adlmake fundamental classes and interfaces compile under monodevelop under linux without WPF (added some preprocessor directives)-- this will break the compilation on Windows, but it is avoidable by doing some platform specific ifdef preprocessor directives that I completely don't know how to do.15:00
kanzureyeah that's just the last few commits though15:00
fenn_adlthere's only 94 commits15:00
fenn_adlmine goes all the way back to r115:00
kanzureoh I have to do --incremental apparently15:00
kanzurebtw what's your svn version?15:00
kanzuremine seems to be: svn, version 1.5.1 (r32289)15:01
fenn_adl1.5.415:01
kanzurehow is it that you're ahead of me on everything but you're not on experimental? or something15:01
fenn_adlwhat's "non-incremental" log?15:01
kanzureit's one that goes into the future (maybe)15:01
fenn_adlthis is ubuntu, which is typically ahead of debian stable but behind debian unstable15:01
fenn_adli'm not sure where testing is relative15:01
fenn_adlto ubuntu*15:01
kanzurebah, all this package wrangling is what package managers are supposed to be doing for me15:02
kanzureand if not the manager software then at least the package maintainers15:02
fenn_adlpackage wrangling?15:03
* fenn_adl reads m15:04
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fenn_adls|m| http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian  |15:04
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fenn_adlhmm @ http://lego.bldesign.org/LSculpt/15:14
fenn_adlthat link is a must-see15:15
genehackerkanzure do you have a nice attributes file format yet?15:19
genehackera nice file format that list out say voltage requirements and torque output for say a stepper motor15:20
genehackerand other stuff like is said stepper motor corrosion resistant15:20
fenn_adlwow the guy who wrote that is "at the University of California, Berkeley. I work in the Human Engineering Laboratory on the exoskeleton project."15:22
fenn_adland his personal lego models are pretty badass15:23
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kanzuregenehacker: yeah there is15:37
kanzuregenehacker: just tell me when you want to take a look at it15:43
kanzureldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz15:44
kanzurehttp://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/ldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz15:44
kanzurefenn_adl: try /home/bryan/leocad-notes15:51
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kanzure:%s/34//g16:01
kanzure:%s/32//g16:01
kanzure:%s/(34|32|36)//g16:01
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genehackerI'd like to take a look16:19
genehackeris it simple?16:19
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fennyo ho ho and a barrel of cats17:09
kanzureno17:09
kanzureno cats17:09
kanzuregenehacker: it's so simple it will make your mother weep17:09
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kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/school/Physiology/01-04-07,%20Muscle%20Contraction.html17:45
kanzurehttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/anneal/www/matt3.gif17:49
kanzureopie:Matthew Campbell:mc76@andrew.cmu.edu17:53
fenn_aha. seb kuzminsky http://highlab.com/family/2009.05.05.april/index.html17:56
fenn_seb's pictre reminded me of (xabier barandiaran) a debian maintainer(?) i met at an artificial life conference: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/167392239_2d9bff3501.jpg?v=018:01
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genehackerspeaking of artificial life18:05
kanzuregenehacker: ok, here's your link18:05
kanzurehttp://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml18:05
kanzuresee also:18:06
kanzurehttp://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/18:06
genehackerI'm wondering what a search algorithm would find as an optimal space fighter design18:06
kanzurespace fighter?18:06
genehackeryeah18:06
genehackera space fighter18:06
kanzurelike, "clutter it up! clutter it up!"18:06
kanzure?18:06
genehackerperhaps it will find something with retractable radiators that looks like it has wings18:07
genehackerafter all thermal dissipation is a big problem in space18:07
genehackerwell it's not related18:07
genehackerI like that file format18:08
genehackertrying to figure out how I'd write one up for my stepper thing though18:08
genehackeryou might be able to extract dependencies from thingiverse if it ever takes off18:11
genehackernow if you only had a nice gui for making templates we'd be set18:14
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kanzureit was not obvious that "svn info" takes an argument (the file name)18:19
kanzureand that it defaults to the current directory18:19
kanzureso that was why I was seeing that the "last changed rev:" was so old18:20
fenngenehacker: ah, you mean star wars designs aren't realistic enough for you? :)18:20
fennread "footfall" by niven+pournelle18:20
fennthey have an orion ship with EMP-powered gamma ray laser fighters18:20
fennthe aliens have high power solid state lasers and some kind of fusion rockets18:21
fennhere is a drawing of it http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=97718:23
fennthe laser thingies were launched from tubes with steam pressure.. i think they were just cylinders about 1.5m diameter 10m long with the human in a little sphere on one end18:25
fennperoxide rockets18:26
fennmust admit i'm skeptical about attaching a space shuttle to the side of it18:27
genehackeryeah18:28
genehackerI just finished a game with a spaceship that was semi-real18:29
genehackerhad wing things18:29
genehackerso that gave me an idea of how to solve the radiator achilles heal18:30
genehackerhave retractable radiator fins that only open when firing18:30
fennthere's a linux video game which obeys newtonian gravitation18:30
fennit's really fucking hard18:30
genehackerwhat's it called18:31
fenneverything we've been taught about spaceships has been a lie18:31
QuantumGI'm doing some GA this morning for rocket guidance simulation18:31
genehackercool18:31
genehackeryeah the game I played was 2d18:31
QuantumGdoesn't work real well, but I'm too lazy to learn how to do it myself18:32
genehackerdo you know PID control?18:32
genehacker10 year olds can learn how to program PID based control systems18:32
genehackerI've seen it happen18:32
genehackerfenn is that game 3d?18:33
genehackerI'd really like to see a 3d space game that's reality based18:35
fennwell i can't find it again18:37
fennit was 2d with really crappy graphics, i think the background was white18:37
fennmight have been java based18:37
fennor maybe just sdl18:37
fennPID is hard to understand until you sit down and play with it18:38
genehackerdid it have triangular crafts and planets?18:38
genehackeryeah18:38
fennit wasn't slingshot18:38
genehackerjust something I saw18:38
genehackeryeah that's what rigidchips lets you do18:38
fenncelestia has a realistic motion mode18:38
drazakkanzure: who thefucksays paywall18:39
fennme18:39
fennwhat do you call it?18:39
fenn"toll booth on the information superhighway"?18:40
fennmore like highway robbery18:40
genehackerheh18:42
genehackerso what do we do when bandwidth is free?18:42
fennit is practically free18:43
genehackerno18:43
fennas far as journal articles at least18:43
genehackerwhen it is free18:43
fennyou can download 500 journal articles in the time it takes you to sip your coffee18:43
genehackerfast and free18:43
fennthe wifi is free with the coffee18:43
fennso are you paying for the coffee or the bandwidth?18:43
genehackerwell per entertainment hour it's incredibly cheap18:44
genehackercheaper than drugs18:44
fennbtw orionsarm.com has a lot of realistic space concepts18:45
genehackerbut I will not consider it free until it's fast enough for me to ship a telerobot with stereo cameras and manipulators across the pacific ocean to the austrailian outback and get the full experience of being there without being there18:47
genehackercool18:47
fennyou drive a hard bargain18:47
genehackerapparently 0.50 peso coins have an cycloidal pattern on there edges18:48
genehackerthey are almost cycloidal gears18:48
genehackeroh wait just the pattern on the inside18:50
fennengine turning?18:56
genehackerhuh?18:56
fennhttp://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Guilloche.jpg18:57
genehackeryup18:58
genehackerthat's it18:58
genehackerthat cycloidal pattern around the side18:58
fennsorry i guess that's guilloche not engine turning18:59
fenni guess i was thinking 'rose engine turning'18:59
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kanzurefenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt or /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt20:52
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kanzurejr;;p s[;ocer20:57
kanzurehello splicer20:57
splicerhi kanzure20:57
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kanzurehttp://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/gp-ax2-test.txt21:29
kanzureok refresh21:36
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kanzureok yet another one21:48
kanzurefenn: when it has no text for the result, it's a standard constructor error21:49
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genehackercloneugh23:19
genehackercloneblue singularity of death windows error23:19
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ybit13:38 < drazak> kanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right?23:25
ybityou can also make your own command such that /w represents /win so all you have to do is /w 1823:26
ybitkatsmeow: you weathered teh storm with no damage?23:32
katsmeowafaik23:33
katsmeowi have not been outside to verify, it's all dark out there23:33
genehackercloneheh23:42
genehackercloneI can see storms in ohklahoma23:43
ybithttp://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/ just saw the video to this instructable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc&feature=related23:48
ybit</tweet>023:48
ybitthat's cool that you recieved a diving cert. genehackerclone, bet that was lots of fun23:49
* katsmeow looks jealous23:50
ybithttp://www.instructables.com/id/My_30_Milling_Machine/23:51
ybitokay, i have to build something like this if it's only $3023:51
ybitsleepy time23:52
katsmeowhow does one take a heavy steel rod,a nd make it so it accepts milling bits at one end?23:53
katsmeowbore it 1/2 inch, slot it, taper it, and put a collar over it to collapse it onto the bit's shank?23:53
fenndrill a hole in the end and add a set screw?23:54
fenn(that's what i did)23:54
katsmeowsurely that's not accurate enough23:55
fennaccurate enough for what23:55
katsmeowwhatever people say it's not accurate enough for whatever i do with it23:55
fennit acted like a pneumatic piston when pushing the shank into the hole23:55
katsmeowdrill a vent hole :-)23:55
fennnah i was too entertained by it23:55
katsmeowheh23:55
fennkatsmeow: i step drilled it by 1/8"s and then one letter size under before a final pass with 3/8" bit (i have 3/8" shank end mills)23:57
katsmeowwhat size was the shaft?23:59
fenn1.25 i think23:59

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