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| drazak_ | kanzure: maybe in 10 years there will be a central synbio facility where scientists can come to, and everyone will define synbio the same way | 07:21 |
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| drazak_ | kanzure: maybe that's too much to ask for though, molecular biology has a definition rarely agreed upon | 07:22 |
| kanzure | has been updated: http://pinkarmy.org/ | 08:10 |
| kanzure | member number: 30 | 08:27 |
| kanzure | andrew made quite an impression on me last year | 08:27 |
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| drazak_ | sfw? | 09:10 |
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| kanzure | drazak_: well again the "sfw" is the large amounts of money he has offered | 10:10 |
| genehacker | kanzure did I tell you about my email from guido? | 10:10 |
| kanzure | no | 10:11 |
| kanzure | why did you get an email from guido? | 10:11 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: safe for work :P | 10:15 |
| kanzure | oh, yes, it's safe for work | 10:18 |
| kanzure | hm apparently there's a project called "simple kernel debugger" | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | this is boring | 11:58 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/ch301/2009-08-26.html | 11:58 |
| kanzure | 3,880 words and absolutely nothing was spoken | 11:58 |
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| ybit | yay, go pink army for charging to register | 12:57 |
| ybit | guess that's open source doing its bidding again | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | the registration is not for getting access to anything in particular, ybit | 13:00 |
| ybit | on superkuh, you're in here. guess i don't have to PM you then :) | 13:04 |
| genehacker | are we trying to summon superkuh? | 13:08 |
| superkuh | I replied to his PM. | 13:08 |
| ybit | yup | 13:08 |
| * ybit is trying to gain access to files in http://superkuh.ath.cx/Library/Ferroelectrics/ | 13:09 | |
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| ybit | kanzure: where is neverness again? | 13:15 |
| ybit | and i never got a response from you, do you want me to send the hdd to you or retrieve at certain times of the day? | 13:15 |
| ybit | at a certain transfer rate, etc | 13:15 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://heybryan.org/doc/ is where neverness is | 13:16 |
| ybit | thanks | 13:16 |
| kanzure | 1 to 6 in the morning I guess | 13:16 |
| ybit | alright, and if you need me to setup a certain rate and wait time between retrievals, i can do that | 13:17 |
| ybit | something like every 20 secs between each fetch and no faster than 2K/s? | 13:18 |
| ybit | or no faster than..? up to you | 13:19 |
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| ybit | i'll just not worry about transfer rates and give a 20 sec waiting period between fetches | 13:28 |
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| ybit | http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/ | 14:38 |
| ybit | http://extratorrent.com/torrent_download/2119781/Life+in+the+Undergrowth+%28BBC+-+Complete+Series%29.torrent | 14:41 |
| genehacker | how do I torrent? | 14:43 |
| genehacker | I can't torrent in the dorm they [CONTENT FILTERED OUT] | 14:43 |
| splicer_ | you can use a proxy server | 14:49 |
| genehacker | does proxify work | 14:58 |
| genehacker | I want to be anonymous too | 14:58 |
| genehacker | I don't want THEM to come after me | 14:58 |
| genehacker | THEY have got people here | 14:58 |
| genehacker | THEY come in the night | 14:58 |
| ybit | genehacker: what are you talking about :P | 15:01 |
| ybit | who is this they you speak of? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | the university has student moles | 15:02 |
| ybit | genehacker: setup privoxy and tor? | 15:02 |
| genehacker | oh yeah forgot about those | 15:03 |
| genehacker | makes me wonder if the girl who got caught was really caught or was paid to say so | 15:03 |
| genehacker | NO I WILL NOT USE TOR | 15:03 |
| genehacker | never ever, ever use tor to torrent | 15:04 |
| genehacker | it's just rude | 15:04 |
| genehacker | plus dissidents need to use it | 15:04 |
| genehacker | hmmm.... I should probably turn my computer into a node | 15:05 |
| kanzure | apparently iclicker operates at 915mhz | 15:11 |
| ybit | thinking of making some type of hack for it :) | 15:16 |
| ybit | +? | 15:16 |
| genehacker | kanzure don't tell me | 15:17 |
| genehacker | you got a clicker class? | 15:17 |
| genehacker | physics I presume? | 15:17 |
| kanzure | no | 15:21 |
| genehacker | what class then? | 15:22 |
| kanzure | chemistry | 15:22 |
| genehacker | you're in chemistry this semester? | 15:23 |
| genehacker | what classes are you taking? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | chemistry and calculus | 15:23 |
| kanzure | this is boring | 15:23 |
| genehacker | I'll say | 15:24 |
| kanzure | why am I paying for this | 15:24 |
| ybit | renamepdf.py is on adl or heybryan? | 15:24 |
| ybit | kanzure ^ | 15:24 |
| kanzure | it's a zotero script | 15:24 |
| ybit | alright | 15:24 |
| genehacker | just chemistry and calculus? | 15:24 |
| genehacker | why aren't you taking statics yet? | 15:25 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/ZoteroRename.02.py | 15:25 |
| kanzure | genehacker: because I don't have the prereqs | 15:25 |
| genehacker | anyway you know that you can specialize in computer graphics? | 15:25 |
| kanzure | why would you do that? | 15:26 |
| genehacker | or design or something | 15:26 |
| genehacker | CAD stuff | 15:27 |
| genehacker | that's the specialization | 15:27 |
| genehacker | seems you're doing a whole lot of cad | 15:27 |
| kanzure | yes the automated design lab involves CAD | 15:27 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: what kind of chem? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | drazak_: the most lame class you can think of | 15:28 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: genchem? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | general chemistry | 15:28 |
| kanzure | they don't offer generative chemistry here | 15:28 |
| genehacker | just two classes? | 15:29 |
| kanzure | well also programming and one on nuclear engineering, but the programming class doesn't meet, and the nuclear class is apparently just watching videos | 15:29 |
| genehacker | me205 then | 15:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:30 |
| genehacker | didn't you take that last semester? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:30 |
| kanzure | but remember, they erased the past year from my record | 15:30 |
| genehacker | that sucks | 15:31 |
| genehacker | anyway | 15:31 |
| genehacker | Try to brute force the passwords for units | 15:31 |
| drazak_ | why'd they do that? | 15:31 |
| kanzure | medical withdrawal | 15:31 |
| genehacker | well on the bright side you've got time for H+ | 15:33 |
| genehacker | I don | 15:33 |
| genehacker | 't | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | does anyone have some RSS feeds that I missed the other day? | 15:36 |
| kanzure | I just added in NASA: | 15:36 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/space/ | 15:36 |
| kanzure | huh the rss folder is 41 MB? | 15:38 |
| kanzure | oh 20 MB is git overhead | 15:38 |
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| kanzure | hey parolang | 15:44 |
| kanzure | the other day you said you were checking in or something? | 15:44 |
| parolang | Hi...sorry, I think the server hiccupped. | 15:46 |
| parolang | Yeah, just lurking. | 15:46 |
| kanzure | you mentioned you were here a few years ago though? | 15:47 |
| parolang | No, I didn't mentioned that...so you must remember. | 15:47 |
| parolang | But I didn't contribute anything. | 15:47 |
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| drazak_ | kanzure: what the hell were you addicted to? | 15:48 |
| kanzure | ah so you were a boring lurker | 15:48 |
| kanzure | drazak_: what? | 15:49 |
| parolang | yes | 15:49 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: you said medical widthdrawl | 15:49 |
| parolang | If you don't want me to lurk just give the word | 15:49 |
| kanzure | parolang: no it's fine | 15:49 |
| kanzure | parolang: I was only kidding :) | 15:49 |
| parolang | ah :) | 15:50 |
| parolang | I just thought that for you "boring" is a pretty serious accusation :) | 15:50 |
| kanzure | drazak_: it wasn't addiction | 15:50 |
| parolang | But I do have a question, since I've proken the lurker's code of silence for the moment, have you had any success with uzbl? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | I've been able to browse around the web with it, yes. | 15:51 |
| parolang | Is it super-fast? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | no it's about as fast as anything else | 15:51 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: so it was medical widthdrawl from what? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | drazak_: from the university/semester | 15:52 |
| parolang | Hmm...okay, thanks. Might still give it a try. | 15:52 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: oh, ok, on what grounds though? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | drazak_: dad died, mom thought I was depressed and mentally retarded | 15:52 |
| drazak_ | ah, ok | 15:52 |
| drazak_ | shit happens | 15:52 |
| genehacker | kanzure thinking of messing with the clicker? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | genehacker: nah | 15:53 |
| kanzure | just packing some knowledge for future reference | 15:53 |
| genehacker | some people have contemplated jamming it | 15:53 |
| kanzure | fenn mentioned an interest in taking the average of everyone's answer | 15:53 |
| genehacker | but of course | 15:53 |
| genehacker | that makes sense | 15:54 |
| genehacker | you could totally game the system that way | 15:54 |
| kanzure | well another algorithm would be to track who makes the correct answers | 15:54 |
| kanzure | and then compare the group of people-who-answer-correctly-all-the-time with the class average answer | 15:54 |
| genehacker | but that requires know who makes correct answers | 15:54 |
| kanzure | yes but you can figure that out after three or four times | 15:54 |
| kanzure | since the top percentile will always answer correctly | 15:55 |
| genehacker | heh if you could do that you could put the clicker company in hot water | 15:55 |
| kanzure | that's why they are the top percentile, I might add | 15:55 |
| genehacker | now if you could apply this clicker thing to something useful | 15:56 |
| genehacker | CHOOSE THE BEST WAY TO SHOOT DOWN MISSILES | 15:56 |
| genehacker | HEADED FOR YOUR LOCATION | 15:56 |
| kanzure | why do missiles know where I am located? | 15:56 |
| genehacker | they don't it's all part of some huge conspiracy | 15:57 |
| genehacker | reference to anime forget it | 15:58 |
| genehacker | involved crowdsourcing | 15:58 |
| drazak_ | oh man | 15:59 |
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| drazak_ | it's like who wants to be a millionaire | 15:59 |
| drazak_ | the audience clicker | 15:59 |
| kanzure | the audience clicker is attached to the chairs, IIRC | 16:00 |
| kanzure | so you can't track who's who | 16:00 |
| kanzure | unless you have some sort of visual memory for what people look like and the ID of the clicker in the chair that they happen to sit in | 16:00 |
| genehacker | hehehehe | 16:01 |
| genehacker | things would get funny if you spoofed everyone's clicker and had them all input the wrong answer | 16:02 |
| kanzure | but if you had someone always getting the answer correct in the audience, wouldn't that person be the one playing the game? | 16:02 |
| genehacker | yeah | 16:03 |
| genehacker | good point | 16:03 |
| genehacker | have everyone get the wrong answer | 16:03 |
| genehacker | and you can mess with the curve | 16:03 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r a468862 /paths.py: make the down lego actually be the down lego | 16:10 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r e470b22 /doc/proposals/files-vs-database: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 16:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: I'd show it to you but the z-buffer is still fucked up | 16:20 |
| parolang | kanzure: Actually, if you're monitoring everyone's answers, there will be certain clickers that will get the right answer more than other clickers. Secondly, the clickers that get the right answers more often will more often agree with the other clickers. | 16:25 |
| parolang | So, statistically, there is a way to find out what answer is most likely to be right. | 16:26 |
| kanzure | that's what I said I think | 16:28 |
| parolang | Oh, sorry :) | 16:28 |
| kanzure | well did I say something different? | 16:28 |
| parolang | No. I just suck at lurking. | 16:29 |
| genehacker | lurk more | 16:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: is there a way to do a pointer in yaml to an instance of an object in the python session (not in the yaml file)? | 16:38 |
| kanzure | I guess you can have a proxy variable or something that you assign in the yaml file, and then later when you load it up you replace it with the actual variable or something | 16:38 |
| fenn | yaml only points to a yaml node | 16:43 |
| kanzure | no I just mean in a post_init_hook | 16:44 |
| kanzure | nevermind I answered the question myself | 16:44 |
| ybit | warning, a thought which was pondered while high is coming up: does anyone else recognize an oscillation of thought modes every few seconds? | 16:48 |
| fenn | no, for me it's totally random | 16:49 |
| ybit | i was thinking that this occurs continuously, but that it's difficult for anyone which is high to recognize it, and that it also occurs in periods of time as well, not just every few seconds. then again, this could just be what a certain strand of weed does to the mind. | 16:50 |
| * ybit doesn't plan on using green for a long time, at least a year | 16:51 | |
| fenn | uh huh. | 16:51 |
| genehacker | does anyone ever notice that if close your eyes and move your hand you can see movement where it is | 16:52 |
| fenn | you can pick up light through your eyes, and also your brain anticipates what you expect to see | 16:52 |
| genehacker | even if your hand happens to be behind a concrete wall which doesn't pass light? | 16:52 |
| genehacker | yeah | 16:52 |
| genehacker | the brain anticipation part is cool | 16:52 |
| ybit | there's also other sensory organs which help | 16:54 |
| fenn | yes like your pit viper infrared sensors | 16:54 |
| genehacker | hey don't be telling people about those | 16:54 |
| ybit | i was thinking more like your skin and ears but, those work too :P | 16:55 |
| genehacker | well the implication that I can see where my hand is | 16:55 |
| genehacker | means that arm movement information is being could be processed in my visual processing sector | 16:56 |
| kanzure | http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/political-pictures-barack-obama-bat-signal.jpg | 16:56 |
| genehacker | healthcare discussion? | 16:57 |
| fenn | genehacker: you don't necessarily need any sensory input to imagine your hand doing something | 16:58 |
| genehacker | so then in that case I'm keeping track of where my arm is | 16:58 |
| fenn | no, you just think you are | 16:59 |
| genehacker | oh dear this seems to be heading for philosophy mighty fast | 16:59 |
| fenn | not really | 16:59 |
| kanzure | nope | 16:59 |
| fenn | look up ramachandran's mirror | 16:59 |
| genehacker | oh wow | 17:01 |
| genehacker | that's interesting | 17:03 |
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| genehacker | now if we only knew how it happened in the brain | 17:04 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r ab5152d /core/skdb.py: Package.makes_sense updated to help assist in package creation | 17:05 |
| genehacker | I need to commit that code | 17:05 |
| kanzure | are you on linux at the moment? | 17:06 |
| genehacker | yes | 17:07 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: did you ever tell me who that josh guy is? | 17:07 |
| kanzure | drazak_: no, but I don't know anyway | 17:07 |
| genehacker | I need to get the code off the server | 17:08 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: ok | 17:08 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: he seems to know stuff, or atleast have read papers, but he also seems like he doesn't have any wet lab experience | 17:08 |
| kanzure | genehacker: do this: mkdir -p ~/code/ ; cd ~/code/ ; git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git | 17:08 |
| genehacker | there are some comments in it too | 17:08 |
| kanzure | that's better than no comments | 17:09 |
| fenn | how is he going to push? | 17:09 |
| fenn | or make it available somehow | 17:09 |
| fenn | genehacker: i think you're supposed to make a fork on github | 17:09 |
| genehacker | it's also in .m | 17:10 |
| kanzure | that's fine | 17:10 |
| kanzure | as long as it's not a binary format | 17:10 |
| genehacker | do you know how I get things off the server? | 17:11 |
| kanzure | copy? | 17:11 |
| genehacker | yeah the me server | 17:11 |
| genehacker | do you know if citrix works on linux? | 17:14 |
| genehacker | and how do I install software in a tar file? | 17:15 |
| genehacker | think I got it | 17:16 |
| fenn | genehacker: why don't you just put it on pastebin.ca? | 17:20 |
| genehacker | the code? | 17:22 |
| genehacker | think I will | 17:22 |
| genehacker | that's why I'm trying to get to it on the appserver | 17:22 |
| genehacker | I need to install some software to do that | 17:22 |
| genehacker | in the form of a tar.gz file | 17:23 |
| genehacker | having trouble installing | 17:37 |
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| xp_prg | I have my weekly meeting tomorrow at the Tech Shop in Mountain View, CA, I am trying to find a speaker, anyone interested? | 17:45 |
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| genehacker | code bin isn't working | 17:55 |
| genehacker | gives me 404 not found | 17:56 |
| genehacker | I'll email it to you kanzure | 17:56 |
| drazak_ | `are any of you big tea fans? | 17:57 |
| ybit | can't say i'm a fan, but i do like tea | 17:58 |
| drazak_ | someone suggested ti kuan yin oolong, and I can't remember who it was or what channel it wsa in | 17:58 |
| ybit | xp_prg: make sure the speech is recorded so that i may scrutinize it ;) | 17:58 |
| drazak_ | I think it was in #xkcd but I can't seem to find the person from there that suggested it | 17:59 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: yeah, I'd like to scrutinize it too, how's that primer designing program coming? | 17:59 |
| xp_prg | haven't had a chance to get to it, but I will :> | 17:59 |
| ybit | drazak_: haven't tried that variant | 18:00 |
| xp_prg | so you guys don't know anyone who would be interested? | 18:09 |
| fenn | genehacker: i said pastebin.ca because other sites tend not to work reliably | 18:11 |
| genehacker | pastebin.ca failed | 18:11 |
| genehacker | sent it to kanzure | 18:12 |
| fenn | how did it fail? | 18:12 |
| genehacker | 404 file not found | 18:12 |
| fenn | what was the link? | 18:12 |
| genehacker | http://pastebin.ca/1544010 | 18:20 |
| genehacker | works now | 18:20 |
| genehacker | have fun | 18:20 |
| genehacker | having trouble with it though | 18:20 |
| fenn | what are the colons in angle*(m-1):0.1:((m)*angle) | 18:22 |
| * fenn wonders if he should convert this to python | 18:23 | |
| genehacker | oh that | 18:24 |
| genehacker | colons like that mean make a matrix from a to b | 18:25 |
| fenn | theta is a matrix? | 18:26 |
| genehacker | 1:3 makes [1,2,3] | 18:26 |
| genehacker | 2:2:8 makes [2,4, 6, 8] | 18:26 |
| genehacker | not smiley face | 18:26 |
| * ybit wasn't aware of http://rsi.aip.org/ | 18:26 | |
| genehacker | but 8 | 18:26 |
| fenn | so theta is a matrix from angle*(m-1) to angle*m in incrememnts of 0.1? | 18:27 |
| genehacker | yeah | 18:28 |
| genehacker | something like that | 18:28 |
| genehacker | anyway | 18:28 |
| genehacker | I'm having trouble with cycloidal gearing | 18:28 |
| genehacker | I forgot why I did the rb/z thing | 18:29 |
| fenn | that's the gear module i think | 18:29 |
| genehacker | oh yeah | 18:30 |
| genehacker | oh thanks | 18:31 |
| genehacker | this can't be right... | 18:34 |
| genehacker | The paper I got this gear design from didn't say much about the design | 18:35 |
| ybit | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/Print%20Your%20Atomic%20Force%20Microscope.pdf | 18:37 |
| fenn | genehacker: what paper was that btw? | 18:37 |
| ybit | ah, http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Print%20your%20atomic%20force%20microscope.pdf | 18:38 |
| ybit | thought only http://heybryan.org/books/papers/How%20to%20build%20a%20plastic%20AFM.html was available | 18:38 |
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| kanzure | guh? http://www.memebox.com/futureblogger/show/1741-a-brain-implant-for-artificial-motivation | 19:23 |
| kanzure | "Reclaim™ Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) Therapy received a Humanitarian Device Exemption from the FDA for the treatment of chronic, severe, treatment-resistant OCD." | 19:26 |
| ybit | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/diybio.png :P | 19:32 |
| ybit | i'm guessing that's the number of redundant questions on the y axis and the number of new members on the x? | 19:33 |
| kanzure | it was actually used once to plot the rate of my posting | 19:36 |
| ybit | But still, let's say we're splurging, and not sharing, here: 500 for the Neurofeedback device. 250 (for nice round numbers) for the TMS device. Both of which can produce nootropic effects. So, ask yourself: is 750 dollars worth the ability to periodically sleep for only 2 hours for the day, increase your IQ by up to 30 points, and be effectively 'stress-free'? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | from the html file in the docs folder? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | I was actually re-reading that yesterday. | 19:38 |
| kanzure | "how much would it cost to become transhuman" | 19:38 |
| ybit | http://www.functionalisminaction.com/2007/09/how-much-would-it-cost-to-become.html | 19:38 |
| kanzure | oh, well it's in the docs folder too | 19:38 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/how-much-would-it-cost-to-become-transhuman.html | 19:38 |
| ybit | it was from the docs, but i didn't want to link to your server | 19:38 |
| kanzure | understandably :( | 19:38 |
| ybit | right | 19:38 |
| ybit | 2 hours of sleep per day and increase iq by 30 points with eeg and tms? really? please citate blogger! | 19:39 |
| ybit | that doesn't sound very researched :P | 19:40 |
| fenn | genehacker: is it supposed to look like this? http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal.png | 19:40 |
| kanzure | 404 | 19:40 |
| ybit | but if anyone has links to certain papers claiming this... | 19:41 |
| kanzure | you might want to look in http://heybryan.org/books/papers/open-rtms/ but I'm not entirely sure I recall any papers claiming that | 19:41 |
| kanzure | if you do find it, be sure to update human-brain.yaml | 19:42 |
| fenn | try again | 19:42 |
| kanzure | works | 19:42 |
| ybit | "Various resources, uncovered during my research, indicated that the 'best' site to acquire adrafinil within the US is a site called Biogenesis.com. There, one can acquire a 1-month supply for $33.25. Thus, a one-year supply would be in the order of 350 dollars." ~350 is the cost of one month supplies (without insurance) | 19:43 |
| kanzure | are you sure you said that correctly? | 19:44 |
| kanzure | it says 350 for a year | 19:44 |
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| ybit | i meant to say that's the cost of modafinil | 19:45 |
| ybit | $30.20 is the price of adrafinil from the link now, that's a $3.25 reduction | 19:46 |
| ybit | so we can expect it to be free in 10 years? :) | 19:47 |
| fenn | genehacker: or like this? http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal2.png | 19:51 |
| fenn | ew that looks terrible as a png | 19:52 |
| kanzure | fenn did you see my fix to paths.py? | 19:54 |
| genehacker | like what? | 19:54 |
| genehacker | did you get the code to work? | 19:54 |
| fenn | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal4.png looks like it as sort of a lump where the arc flips over | 19:55 |
| fenn | genehacker: i rewrote it in python | 19:55 |
| kanzure | maybe I'll get something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Sharper-Image-Personal-Cooling-System/dp/B000XO2LNC | 19:55 |
| fenn | kanzure: was my vector wrong? | 19:56 |
| fenn | i rechecked that like 5 times | 19:56 |
| kanzure | it's entirely possible that my vector is wrong but it shows the wrong thing | 19:57 |
| kanzure | er, but it shows the right thing | 19:58 |
| kanzure | you had: build_trsf(point,[0,-1,0],[1,0,0]) | 19:58 |
| kanzure | I put: build_trsf(point,[0,-1,0],[-1,0,0]) | 19:58 |
| genehacker | cycloid 2 is right | 19:58 |
| genehacker | SWEET? | 19:59 |
| genehacker | how'd you do plot? | 19:59 |
| genehacker | does python have plot? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | python has everything | 20:00 |
| genehacker | is it making lines? | 20:00 |
| genehacker | and could you extrude it to 3d using some python? | 20:01 |
| genehacker | paper | 20:04 |
| genehacker | let me find it fenn | 20:04 |
| genehacker | Construction Principle and Torque Solution of the | 20:05 |
| genehacker | Translational Meshing Motor | 20:05 |
| genehacker | 20:05 | |
| genehacker | Qiang Xu, Qizheng Liao, Shimin Wei, Xiguang Huang, Xin Wen | 20:05 |
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| genehacker | fenn? | 20:14 |
| fenn | do you have a url for me? | 20:15 |
| fenn | i write an svg so i could import it to heekscad and extrude | 20:15 |
| kanzure | gee you totally just blasted my work for albert's thesis out of the water | 20:16 |
| fenn | um, assuming heekscad didnt crash every time i run it | 20:16 |
| kanzure | heekscad still crashes on extrude? | 20:16 |
| genehacker | well anyway to make really small lines in heekscad with python bindings? | 20:17 |
| fenn | heekscad crashes on my debian machines upon launching, somethin to do with wx | 20:17 |
| genehacker | anyway mind sending me the script you used to generate those .PNGs? | 20:18 |
| genehacker | python version | 20:18 |
| fenn | http://pastebin.ca/1544126 | 20:22 |
| fenn | you'll have to get python-cairo | 20:22 |
| genehacker | python has a surf command, sweet | 20:24 |
| fenn | that's a variable name | 20:24 |
| genehacker | ben lipkowitz? | 20:25 |
| fenn | i'm not a lawyer | 20:25 |
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| genehacker | you're writing it to png? | 20:27 |
| genehacker | as in turning it from svg to png? | 20:28 |
| fenn | omg heekscad is so slow on my laptop | 20:28 |
| fenn | it writes two files | 20:28 |
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| genehacker | one in svg? | 20:29 |
| fenn | ya | 20:30 |
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| kanzure | you people suck at lurking | 20:32 |
| genehacker | awesome | 20:32 |
| * fenn waits | 20:40 | |
| genehacker | before I get into that python though I need to figure out how to make 1 tooth difference gears | 20:41 |
| fenn | cycloidal(99); cycloidal(100) | 20:42 |
| genehacker | not so fast | 20:42 |
| genehacker | 1 tooth difference gears that interlock | 20:42 |
| genehacker | or mesh with one inside the other | 20:42 |
| fenn | oh i guess it wouldnt work actually | 20:45 |
| fenn | you need to specify the modulo, not the radius | 20:45 |
| fenn | then figure out the radius based on the number of teeth | 20:45 |
| genehacker | I know | 20:46 |
| genehacker | I'm doing that right now | 20:46 |
| fenn | "too few computrons available" | 20:50 |
| fenn | apparently turning off wondershaper doesn't have the intended effect | 20:51 |
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| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_pocket1.png http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_pocket2.png | 20:56 |
| genehacker | err... | 20:58 |
| genehacker | this is annoying | 20:58 |
| genehacker | addendum and deddendum radius are the same | 20:59 |
| genehacker | so I'm not so sure if this will work | 20:59 |
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| fenn | well this looks like crap http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_3d.png | 21:45 |
| ybit | sudo make me a pancake | 21:57 |
| ybit | http://www.uncrate.com/men/home/kitchen/chefstack-automatic-pancake-machine/ | 21:58 |
| ybit | linked from http://www.alphaonelabs.com/wiki/index.php/Projects | 21:58 |
| genehacker | fenn I think the profile I chose won't work as well | 22:00 |
| genehacker | I don't think I can get the 1 tooth difference I need | 22:00 |
| genehacker | between the inner and outer gears | 22:00 |
| ybit | had these the other day: http://www.twistentertaining.com/portal/Portals/0/strawberry on a stick.jpg | 22:00 |
| ybit | that's a fried choco strawberry | 22:01 |
| ybit | yum | 22:01 |
| fenn | genehacker: why not? | 22:02 |
| genehacker | I can't adjust the module with this design can I? | 22:02 |
| fenn | one moment | 22:02 |
| genehacker | so I am bashing my head against the not very well documented gear profile used in the pneumatic wobble motor | 22:04 |
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| ybit | http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-Carbonated-Fruit/ | 22:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | How-to-Make-Carbonized-Fruit/ may be more exciting | 22:11 |
| genehacker | not really | 22:11 |
| genehacker | carbonated fruit taste better | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | i used the qualifier "may" | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | but carbonized fruit would make a better filter than fizzy fresh fruit | 22:12 |
| fenn | how about we encase the fruit in carbonite | 22:13 |
| fenn | genehacker what's the prob with this? http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_9_10.svg | 22:16 |
| genehacker | what did you do? | 22:17 |
| genehacker | how did you do that? | 22:18 |
| fenn | or even http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_8_10.svg | 22:18 |
| fenn | i just moved it over a bit in inkscape to look like it's meshed | 22:18 |
| genehacker | 1 tooth difference is better higher reduction ratio | 22:19 |
| fenn | how does addendum/dedendum work with cycloidal gears? | 22:19 |
| genehacker | it's equal to the diameter of the rolling circle | 22:20 |
| genehacker | I think | 22:21 |
| fenn | oh, i changed it to use module btw | 22:21 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:21 |
| genehacker | how? | 22:21 |
| genehacker | every time I mess with the module | 22:21 |
| genehacker | I get something bad | 22:22 |
| genehacker | try a 35 in a 36 | 22:22 |
| genehacker | if it involves moving svg's you needn't bother | 22:22 |
| fenn | ug. this laptop is too slow | 22:22 |
| fenn | http://pastebin.ca/1544244 | 22:24 |
| genehacker | that makes sense | 22:25 |
| genehacker | so it looks like it will mess | 22:27 |
| genehacker | there needs to be some gap | 22:28 |
| genehacker | there is zero gap with one tooth difference | 22:28 |
| fenn | i guess subtracting a cylinder from the center of the ring gear wouldn't hurt anything | 22:28 |
| genehacker | ??? | 22:29 |
| fenn | like imagine you're boring it out on a lathe | 22:29 |
| fenn | ok maybe not | 22:30 |
| genehacker | what would that do? | 22:30 |
| fenn | what if you just scaled it up a little bit? | 22:30 |
| genehacker | what then the module wouldn't be the same | 22:31 |
| fenn | only by a tiny bit | 22:31 |
| genehacker | that might work | 22:32 |
| genehacker | though this other gear profile looks more promising | 22:32 |
| genehacker | it's just driving me nuts | 22:32 |
| genehacker | well I'll just add more teeth to deal with the decreased number of steps | 22:34 |
| genehacker | 72 gear teeth hmmmm.... | 22:37 |
| genehacker | how does one calculate reduction ratio? | 22:39 |
| genehacker | got it | 22:42 |
| fenn | for "vernier" gears it's number of teeth/difference | 22:44 |
| genehacker | just making sure | 22:45 |
| fenn | i think you use the smaller gear | 22:45 |
| genehacker | that's really irritating I need twice as many teeth with this design | 22:45 |
| genehacker | I can't | 22:45 |
| fenn | i mean for the ratio calculation | 22:46 |
| genehacker | oh | 22:46 |
| genehacker | that's out of the question | 22:46 |
| fenn | huh? | 22:46 |
| fenn | i suggest building a model with zero clearance and see if it's as bad as you think | 22:46 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:47 |
| fenn | also try scaling the pinion 0.99 | 22:47 |
| fenn | and 0.95 | 22:47 |
| genehacker | so this is for a stepper motor | 22:47 |
| genehacker | for reprap | 22:47 |
| genehacker | minimum number of steps is 200 | 22:48 |
| fenn | uh, why 200? | 22:48 |
| genehacker | because that's what reprap requires | 22:48 |
| fenn | O RLY | 22:48 |
| fenn | well anyway you get 3* number of teeth right? | 22:49 |
| fenn | numbe of bladders * number of teeth | 22:49 |
| genehacker | yeah 2*3 *reduction ratio | 22:50 |
| genehacker | *2 because of half stepping | 22:50 |
| genehacker | wtf is a stub involute? | 23:10 |
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| fenn | scaling the inner gear by 0.99 seems to look ok | 23:19 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:22 |
| genehacker | I'll try printing off a copy and seeing how it works | 23:22 |
| genehacker | also figured out I might be able to aproximate this other gear profile | 23:23 |
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