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| kanzure | " * Jorge Quiroga - Former president of Bolivia. (Texas A&M University) | 08:46 |
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| kanzure | 'todojobs' sounds more useful than 'cronjobs' | 10:03 |
| fenn | tohavebeendonejobs | 10:05 |
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| kanzure | I don't actually care "when" it is done, only that it is done | 10:09 |
| kanzure | and usually these todo tasks are dependent on the tools that I have around me | 10:09 |
| kanzure | "illustrate the bug. for some reason one of part2's coordinates are negative" | 10:21 |
| kanzure | which one? | 10:21 |
| kanzure | how do I find all strings in a file that match this pattern? CS-406-1-200435 | 10:32 |
| kanzure | (they are all on the same line unfortunately) | 10:32 |
| fenn | [A-Z]{2}-\d{3}-\d{6} | 10:35 |
| kanzure | blah grep has -P disabled / not compiled into it | 10:36 |
| fenn | -E is close enough | 10:37 |
| kanzure | doesn't seem to work | 10:37 |
| kanzure | I have stuff like this in the line: | 10:37 |
| kanzure | <a name="some 6 digit number (\d{6} right?)" /> | 10:37 |
| kanzure | grep -o -E "a name\=\"\d{5}\" \/\>" ContentTOC.asp\?Sect\=CS-406-1-200462\&Session\=6CC1CAAE-A660-43A7-8998-A4AABF937137 | 10:38 |
| kanzure | doesn't pick up anything | 10:38 |
| fenn | so i can see a pattern here, but i don't know why it's happening | 10:38 |
| fenn | i1: -20.00 -5.50 -4.00 | 10:38 |
| fenn | i2: -20.00 0.00 9.50 | 10:38 |
| fenn | they're supposed to be the same | 10:38 |
| fenn | sometimes it just swaps the y and z | 10:39 |
| kanzure | does \d{blah} work in grep? | 10:39 |
| fenn | sometimes it swaps y and z and negates one coordinate | 10:39 |
| fenn | apparently not | 10:40 |
| fenn | [0-9]{6} works though | 10:40 |
| kanzure | yeah you're right | 10:40 |
| kanzure | huh | 10:40 |
| fenn | hmm so i've got it to where the Y and Z are simply negated every time | 10:49 |
| fenn | what does negated mean in terms of transformations? | 10:52 |
| fenn | and why only Y and Z? WTF! | 10:52 |
| fenn | aha | 10:56 |
| kanzure | is that a good aha? | 10:58 |
| fenn | so it was a combination of rotating about the wrong point and multiplying in the wrong order (understandably of course since you rotate around a different point depending on what transforms have been applied) | 11:00 |
| fenn | anyway i can officially say it works now | 11:00 |
| kanzure | pics or it didn't happen | 11:01 |
| kanzure | or a commit | 11:01 |
| kanzure | a commit is preferable | 11:01 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 6b6bdbb /paths.py: load STEP beforehand to reduce spam so i can see the interface coordinates, and add some angle to the starting position | 11:05 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r c3ca4e7 /geom/geom.py: interface alignment works. finally. | 11:05 |
| fenn | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping.png http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping2.png | 11:10 |
| fenn | i'm not sure why the second brick is upside down in the second pic but not in the first | 11:10 |
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| fenn | http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/patd253711.pdf | 12:09 |
| fenn | what are the legal status of patent illustrations | 12:09 |
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| genehacker | kanzure you know you can have your ID card RFID chipped to get access to the ME building? | 12:14 |
| genehacker | when it's locked? | 12:14 |
| fenn | supposedly RFID is more secure than a magnet strip? | 12:15 |
| fenn | why can't you just use the card as-is? | 12:16 |
| fenn | patent illustrations might be a good source of basic images | 12:17 |
| fenn | "the text and drawings of a patent are typically not subject to copyright restrictions. The inventors' right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling the invention throughout the United States or importing the invention into the United States for a limited time is not compromised by the publication of the description of the invention." | 12:18 |
| genehacker | I don't know | 12:19 |
| genehacker | because the building doesn't have mag readers | 12:19 |
| genehacker | http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G17270 | 12:19 |
| genehacker | angular rate gyro | 12:19 |
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| xp_prg | drazak_ you here? | 12:25 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/ch301/2009-08-28.html this is worse than going to a church | 12:25 |
| genehacker | the church of chemistry no doubt | 12:27 |
| fenn | no paragraphs :( | 12:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: I put a dimensioned lego fig on the not-quite-a-kitchen table | 12:28 |
| genehacker | learned some memetics today in my medical terminology class that kills my fine arts cred | 12:28 |
| xp_prg | what is that? | 12:28 |
| kanzure | the medical terminology class sucked last time I took it | 12:28 |
| genehacker | a class I'm taking to get rid of my fine arts credit | 12:28 |
| kanzure | it was with nethercut | 12:28 |
| kanzure | he had no microphone and was older than dirt | 12:28 |
| genehacker | you took it? | 12:28 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:28 |
| genehacker | when? | 12:29 |
| kanzure | years ago | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i have some extra medical terminology books if you want them | 12:29 |
| genehacker | the history of scientific and medical terminology or something like that | 12:29 |
| kanzure | one is worked, the other is mostly clean | 12:29 |
| genehacker | let me take a look at those | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i'm not going to bring them if you're not going to take them | 12:29 |
| genehacker | probably won't work | 12:30 |
| genehacker | we' | 12:30 |
| genehacker | re using new books | 12:30 |
| genehacker | this guy' | 12:30 |
| kanzure | you suck at typing | 12:30 |
| genehacker | s not old and is slightly interesting | 12:30 |
| genehacker | yeah i d | 12:31 |
| genehacker | o | 12:31 |
| fenn | the trick is to not press return until you're done | 12:31 |
| genehacker | ok | 12:32 |
| genehacker | I'm suffering from a bit of fallout from an energy drink I had yesterday | 12:32 |
| genehacker | that could be the reason | 12:32 |
| genehacker | also what ever happened to the austin fab lab you guys were working on? | 12:34 |
| kanzure | hmm http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping4.png | 12:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: crossposting usually involves adding multiple recipients to the email | 12:38 |
| kanzure | not copy-pasta | 12:38 |
| fenn | crossposting is stupid | 12:38 |
| kanzure | wah you're stup1d | 12:38 |
| fenn | 56MB of public domain book titles? http://inventblog.com/2008/06/did-you-know-that-most-books-published-between-1923-and-1963-are-in-the-public-domain.html | 12:39 |
| kanzure | that's just an index? | 12:39 |
| fenn | yeah, lots of non-english books | 12:43 |
| fenn | kind of unwieldy trying to skip around in a 350MB XML file | 12:43 |
| kanzure | should I bother with it? | 12:43 |
| * kanzure is about to go into a calculus class | 12:43 | |
| fenn | no | 12:44 |
| kanzure | hrm. http://heybryan.org/books/Mathematics/Calculus%20from%20server/calculus.txt | 12:46 |
| fenn | so i am sort of bored. should i return your graph theory books to longoria? | 12:48 |
| fenn | kanzure: *poke* | 12:51 |
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| ybit | http://www.api-assembled.com/ that's the company which i will soon be working for | 13:36 |
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| kanzure | http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_16519/ overlapping detection using Common operation | 14:20 |
| kanzure | he was probably using BRepAlgoAPI_Common | 14:24 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/ModelingAlgorithms/html/classBRepAlgoAPI__Common.html | 14:24 |
| drazak_ | can someone get me http://www.nature.com/nprot/journal/v2/n5/abs/nprot.2007.135.html | 14:24 |
| fenn | drazak_: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/adeasy_recombinant_adenoviruses.pdf | 14:25 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/nprot.2007.135.pdf | 14:25 |
| kanzure | fuck | 14:25 |
| kanzure | ok fenn wins | 14:25 |
| fenn | drazak_: why can't you access nature from wherever you are? | 14:25 |
| drazak_ | fenn: we don't get nature | 14:26 |
| kanzure | seriously? | 14:26 |
| kanzure | what do you read? a rock? | 14:26 |
| drazak_ | well | 14:26 |
| drazak_ | we get nature but not nature protocols | 14:26 |
| drazak_ | I tried to get it through adl | 14:26 |
| kanzure | why couldn't you? | 14:26 |
| kanzure | I just ran wget on adl just fine | 14:26 |
| drazak_ | I dunno | 14:26 |
| drazak_ | I tunneled through adl and couldn't get it | 14:27 |
| fenn | WAH! | 14:27 |
| kanzure | you suck at stealing literature | 14:27 |
| drazak_ | yeah | 14:27 |
| drazak_ | oh well | 14:27 |
| fenn | it's not even stealing | 14:27 |
| fenn | you probably just don't know how to use your own network | 14:27 |
| drazak_ | nah | 14:27 |
| drazak_ | I tried to get it through ours | 14:28 |
| fenn | "and couldn't get it" right? | 14:28 |
| drazak_ | I looked in our hubnet, we don't get nature protocols | 14:28 |
| drazak_ | couldn't get it | 14:28 |
| * fenn remains skeptical | 14:28 | |
| kanzure | wonder how that fellow was able to get the volume from this operation | 14:29 |
| kanzure | BRepAlgoAPI_Common doesn't have any useful methods really | 14:29 |
| fenn | you get a resulting solid | 14:29 |
| fenn | volume is probably ShapeAna or something | 14:29 |
| kanzure | XCAFDoc has a volume attribute | 14:35 |
| kanzure | this looks as close as I'll ever probably get: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/ModelingAlgorithms/html/classBRepGProp.html | 14:36 |
| kanzure | ok yep | 14:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_4685/ confirms BRepGProp.VolumeProperties() is what I want | 14:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you try this real quick? http://coe-jaguar.engr.utexas.edu/mediasite/Catalog/pages/catalog.aspx?catalogId=d3a7e32a-f790-43a8-ba6d-b9aa15b0e91c | 14:50 |
| ybit | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/A%20%20thermal%20infrared%20imager.pdf is a 404 | 15:18 |
| kanzure | that's because it's really secretly over here: | 15:19 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/A%20$10%20thermal%20infrared%20imager.pdf | 15:19 |
| kanzure | see, you did some funky scripting | 15:19 |
| kanzure | and your script thought you meant $10 | 15:19 |
| kanzure | and you didn't have $10 defined | 15:19 |
| kanzure | I guess bash or zsh or whatever you were using lets you do variables that start with numbers | 15:20 |
| kanzure | in most scripting languages that's invalid | 15:20 |
| bkero | $10 - $3 | 15:20 |
| kanzure | what? | 15:20 |
| kanzure | $ $10 | 15:21 |
| kanzure | bash: 0: command not found | 15:21 |
| kanzure | ok guess I was wrong actually | 15:21 |
| kanzure | in perl you can use $1 etc. to refer to some local variables | 15:22 |
| kanzure | but perl is evil like that | 15:22 |
| kanzure | it's also on the web: http://www.research.ibm.com/ecvg/pubs/sharat-foot.pdf | 15:24 |
| kanzure | er, elsewhere on the web I mean | 15:24 |
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| ybit | ty | 15:30 |
| xp_prg | drazak_ you here? | 15:36 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 9d429de /geom/geom.py: volume interference methods have been written | 15:46 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 4010035 /geom/geom.py: n squared collision checker - not tested. | 15:51 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 3f41163 /paths.py: added some comments | 15:52 |
| fenn | genehacker: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/cycloidal_gear.png | 15:52 |
| kanzure | 404 | 15:52 |
| fenn | erm. http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal_gear.png | 15:52 |
| kanzure | gah when I try to double click with my laptop-mouse I totally miss the left mouse button | 15:53 |
| kanzure | and I feel especially retarded when this happens | 15:53 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c111892 /demo.py: removed old pymates demo | 15:55 |
| kanzure | we should probably do some spring cleaning to get everything to use Transform and Connection again | 15:59 |
| kanzure | as it is now there's somewhat of a sprawl of things in paths.py | 15:59 |
| kanzure | sprawl | 15:59 |
| kanzure | guess I'm becoming campbell now | 15:59 |
| fenn | nothing ever used Transform | 16:00 |
| fenn | i'll move some from paths.py to packages/lego/demo and others to geom/something.py | 16:01 |
| kanzure | blarney() for instance | 16:01 |
| kanzure | show_next_mate | 16:02 |
| kanzure | show_interfaces | 16:02 |
| kanzure | make_arrow | 16:02 |
| kanzure | gah, almost everything | 16:02 |
| fenn | go away | 16:02 |
| kanzure | well it is about that time of day I suppose | 16:02 |
| fenn | delete pymates while you're at it | 16:02 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: yes | 16:07 |
| drazak_ | well kindof atleast | 16:07 |
| drazak_ | 4reading a bunch of papers | 16:07 |
| xp_prg | http://www.justin.tv/clip/7aa5435ff78612a8 | 16:08 |
| drazak_ | uh huh? | 16:08 |
| xp_prg | we are discusing your problem you gave us :> | 16:09 |
| drazak_ | ok, so how's the program coming? | 16:09 |
| drazak_ | it's a rather simple program | 16:09 |
| xp_prg | still haven't had a lot of time to work on it, I will try this weekend, my apolagies | 16:09 |
| xp_prg | just learned more of the biopython last night | 16:10 |
| drazak_ | it's cool | 16:10 |
| drazak_ | I was writing it myself at some poiint, but you offered | 16:10 |
| xp_prg | I will do it, don't worry | 16:10 |
| xp_prg | once again thanks for giving me something real to do with biopython | 16:11 |
| drazak_ | ok | 16:11 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: I'll watch it in a couple minutes | 16:13 |
| xp_prg | sweet man! | 16:13 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: it would be nice if the end result of the program could be displayed in an easy to read,yet easy to copy format | 16:17 |
| xp_prg | ok | 16:18 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: you realize thateverything before the primer3 you can do with an entrez.get or whatever | 16:21 |
| xp_prg | no I did not know that | 16:22 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: and then just array manipulation | 16:22 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: you jsut do like, blah = entrez.search(db=nucleotide, term=blah(species:blahblah)) blahblah = entrez.read(blah) | 16:23 |
| drazak_ | and it'll have the first 20 acension numbers or whatever that it returns, irrc | 16:24 |
| drazak_ | in an array | 16:24 |
| xp_prg | cool thanks! | 16:25 |
| drazak_ | and then those values can be inputed into entrez.fetch(blah) to fetch them, but I think you'll have to do to it recurssively because it only fetches one at a time | 16:26 |
| xp_prg | ok | 16:35 |
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| xp_prg | drazak_ did you watch it yet? | 17:52 |
| drazak_ | uh huh | 17:57 |
| xp_prg | what did you think man?!! | 17:58 |
| xp_prg | are we not the coolest group ever? | 17:58 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: what can I possibly say to make you go away forever? | 18:02 |
| xp_prg | that love and respect our group and want to be apart of it | 18:03 |
| kanzure | but I hate you | 18:08 |
| kanzure | why won't you go away? | 18:08 |
| xp_prg | cuz I am helping people so chill | 18:10 |
| kanzure | no you're doing more harm than good | 18:10 |
| xp_prg | no I'm not | 18:10 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: I sort of have to agree with kanzure | 18:10 |
| kanzure | fuck off | 18:10 |
| xp_prg | how am I harming people? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | nobody said that. go away. | 18:11 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: you can't bother to look shit up on your own, you ask people after putting cnone of your own effort into it | 18:11 |
| xp_prg | right, I have my own diybio group, my own fridge, going to teach classes and I am not doing anything on my own | 18:11 |
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| genehacker | hmm... | 18:12 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: that's not your own group, sorry | 18:12 |
| drazak_ | you have a fridge! OMG NOBODY ELSE EVER HAS HAD A FRIDGE | 18:12 |
| kanzure | everyone has a fridge | 18:12 |
| xp_prg | not open to the public to use for bio experiments | 18:12 |
| genehacker | campbell could have been my machine elements teacher | 18:12 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: sorry, you're wrong | 18:12 |
| xp_prg | where is one? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: go away | 18:12 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: if you understood the real mentality of DIYBIO you'd realize that saying you have your own group is counterproductive | 18:12 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: your group is everyones group | 18:12 |
| genehacker | how cold does your fridge get? | 18:12 |
| xp_prg | cold | 18:13 |
| xp_prg | drazak_ that is what I meant | 18:13 |
| genehacker | what temperature? | 18:13 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: no it's not | 18:13 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: you said what you meant, you can't change what you said just because someone proved you wrong | 18:13 |
| genehacker | or temperature difference | 18:13 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: you can't stick by your own shit | 18:13 |
| xp_prg | the temperature is cold | 18:14 |
| xp_prg | drazak_ dude my stuff is opensource | 18:14 |
| kanzure | who cares | 18:14 |
| drazak_ | dude you're bullshi | 18:14 |
| kanzure | sigh | 18:14 |
| xp_prg | I am giving away my stuff, my meetings, helping guys for free this Saturday | 18:14 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with what I am saying | 18:15 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: nothing | 18:15 |
| kanzure | right | 18:15 |
| xp_prg | I bought the gfp experiment | 18:15 |
| fenn | OMG somebody's wrong on the internet! | 18:15 |
| kanzure | well he is wrong and I want him to go away | 18:15 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: I know, me too | 18:15 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: we could put him on ignore and pretend like he went away | 18:15 |
| kanzure | drazak_: that's cheating | 18:16 |
| kanzure | he will still send me emails | 18:16 |
| kanzure | and I'd have to filter that, too | 18:16 |
| xp_prg | don't hate the playa, hate the game | 18:16 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: I guess | 18:16 |
| kanzure | I'll hate everyone. | 18:16 |
| kanzure | now go away | 18:16 |
| drazak_ | yeah :( | 18:16 |
| drazak_ | xp_prg: what plasmid did the gfp come in? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | drazak_: please don't ask | 18:17 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: ok fine | 18:17 |
| genehacker | the temperature is cold | 18:17 |
| genehacker | that doesn't help | 18:17 |
| genehacker | I lost the game | 18:18 |
| drazak_ | genehacker: if you didn't know, but you probably do, the standard fridges/freezers used in biology are 4C, -20C, -80C | 18:19 |
| xp_prg | http://www.scribd.com/doc/15114204/Carolina-Green-Gene-Transformation-Kit | 18:20 |
| xp_prg | that all the info drazak_ | 18:20 |
| xp_prg | it has a freezer part, it is a dorm fridge | 18:20 |
| xp_prg | when I watched the edge video the other day it said that biobricks are specifically geared toward undergrads and are easy to use | 18:21 |
| xp_prg | that is what I am going to concentrate on | 18:21 |
| xp_prg | drazak_ it came in an ecoli plasmid | 18:22 |
| kanzure | so what part of go away do you not understand? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | just type /exit and never come back | 18:28 |
| genehacker | I didn't know drazak thank you for the info | 18:47 |
| genehacker | xp_prg you can do that at the tech museum | 18:47 |
| drazak_ | genehacker: certain reagents and samples need to be stored at different temps | 19:11 |
| drazak_ | genehacker: -80 for long term reagent/short AND longterm rna/long term dna/long term tissue | 19:11 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 1d6d886 / (21 files in 3 dirs): remove pymates | 19:15 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c5ccd5b / (geom/geom.py gui/__init__.py gui/gui.py paths.py): separate geom and gui code from paths.py | 19:15 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok your turn. I didn't move the lego stuff. | 19:16 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 46f701a /readme: update readme to reflect new gui module | 19:16 |
| genehacker | drazak what do they do for snake antivenom? | 19:26 |
| genehacker | I hear it's really hard to keep | 19:27 |
| genehacker | and is really expensive to get bitten by a snake | 19:27 |
| xp_prg | we will manufacture venom in ecoli cells soon | 19:28 |
| xp_prg | the venom is a protein | 19:29 |
| genehacker | now then let's find a way to make rattlesnake venom | 19:30 |
| genehacker | my l key is becoming irresponsive | 19:31 |
| xp_prg | ok your going to need a promoter, an rbs component, main dna to encode the venom protein, then a stop codon | 19:31 |
| genehacker | this is bad | 19:32 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: at least spell it correctly | 19:33 |
| kanzure | if you're not going to leave | 19:33 |
| xp_prg | what did I mispell? | 19:33 |
| kanzure | "your" | 19:33 |
| genehacker | my l key is inoperabie | 19:34 |
| * xp_prg hugs genehacker to help him with his 1 key operability issue | 19:35 | |
| genehacker | l key | 19:35 |
| genehacker | old case of soda on the keyboard | 19:37 |
| bkero | lstb? | 19:38 |
| genehacker | jmikkklkkk | 19:38 |
| genehacker | oops | 19:38 |
| genehacker | screw rattlesnake venom let's produce coneshell venom that can be used to take down dinosaurs | 19:46 |
| xp_prg | ok | 19:46 |
| fenn | was that the stuff they put in the velociraptor egg? | 19:47 |
| genehacker | I don't know | 19:48 |
| genehacker | I forgot | 19:48 |
| genehacker | now if we could only had some decent dna samples from dinosausrs | 19:49 |
| genehacker | or an awesome entropic reverse | 19:49 |
| genehacker | r | 19:49 |
| kanzure | "optfunc. Command line parsing libraries in Python such as optparse frustrate me because I can never remember how to use them without consulting the manual. optfunc is a new experimental interface to optparse which works by introspecting a function definition (including its arguments and their default values) and using that to construct a command line argument parser. " | 20:04 |
| kanzure | git clone git://github.com/simonw/optfunc.git | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__HyL3_PvTBM/SfHk-KitCmI/AAAAAAAAABk/kTy8LQjz8oA/s1600-h/BL1.bmp | 20:41 |
| kanzure | wtf bitmap? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | what sort of camera takes bitmaps? | 20:42 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 64b2c89 / (clients/skdb-get.py core/optfunc.py): worked on skdb-get.py | 21:04 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r f9b485a /doc/proposals/make_bot.py: documentation link for make_bot.py | 21:04 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c908683 /clients/skdb-get.py: skdb-get now pulls packages from git repositories | 22:19 |
| ybit | http://www.solarimpulse.com/en/documents/challenge.php?lang=en&group=challenge :: "In a world depending on fossil energies, the Solar Impulse project is a paradox, almost a provocation: it aims to have an airplane take off and fly autonomously, day and night, propelled uniquely by solar energy, right round the world without fuel or pollution. An unachievable goal without pushing back the current technological limits in all fields..." | 23:14 |
| ybit | was watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWSI03NKo0 which led me to http://esoaring.com/index.html and yes, i want a glider | 23:21 |
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