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| fenn | this is pretty cool; 1kJ from 1l of salt water: http://www.physorg.com/news171102611.html | 02:20 |
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| kanzure | everyone sucks but me | 02:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.maxmore.com/Order_Without_Orderers.htm | 02:48 |
| fenn | heh "fenn is there all day tomorrow" really? | 02:49 |
| kanzure | OR ELSE | 02:49 |
| kanzure | ybit: would it be sufficiently geeky to make a lego afm? | 02:54 |
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| fenn | genehacker: i probably won't be there tomorrow, since it seems i'm waking up at 2 am these days | 03:04 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r e91e7c7 /packages/threads/ISO_and_UTS_Thread_Dimensions.svg: yoinked thread diagram from wikipedia | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r ee67c54 /core/interface.py: make this work on systems without igraph, at least the non-cgraph related parts | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 7664b40 /unittests/tests.py: add test for a Unit bug i noticed today | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 92975cd /unittests/tests.py: fix screw loading | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 3016659 /core/supplemental_units.dat: more | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 31d1010 /unittests/tests.py: 1/unit didnt seem to be working | 07:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r ed23e62 /core/supplemental_units.dat: Merge branch 'master' of ~/git/skdb | 07:09 |
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| fenn | NotImplementedError: In user defined base classes, abstract methods should raise this exception when they require derived classes to override the method. | 08:03 |
| fenn | notice it doesn't say "when you are too lazy to actually write the code, raise this error instead" | 08:04 |
| kanzure | bah | 08:04 |
| kanzure | I'll define my own error, then | 08:05 |
| kanzure | KanzureError | 08:05 |
| fenn | cool i never knew about Warning exceptions | 08:06 |
| kanzure | "warning this sucks" ? | 08:07 |
| fenn | DeprecationWarning PendingDeprecationWarning RuntimeWarning SyntaxWarning UserWarning FutureWarning ImportWarning UnicodeWarning BytesWarning | 08:07 |
| kanzure | FutureWarning? | 08:09 |
| fenn | Base class for warnings about constructs that will change semantically in the future | 08:09 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 88d8290 /readme: updated readme to represent some recent work | 08:18 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r d290ca3 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 08:18 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 2901258 /readme: dumped some text into the readme | 08:18 |
| kanzure | ack I never pushed that original update to readme? oh well | 08:28 |
| fenn | did you try to rebase or something? | 08:33 |
| kanzure | no | 08:33 |
| kanzure | nothing went wrong | 08:33 |
| fenn | move along, citizen | 08:35 |
| kanzure | yessir | 08:35 |
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| kanzure | core/interface.py has an assertion error: assert self.interface1.part in cgraph.dict().values() | 08:38 |
| kanzure | which makes sense because I don't have igraph | 08:38 |
| kanzure | can you point me to the dot deb for igraph? | 08:38 |
| fenn | blargh | 08:42 |
| fenn | now i can't find it in ubuntu either | 08:42 |
| fenn | i wish there was a dpkg-where-did-this-come-from | 08:42 |
| fenn | you can add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://cneurocvs.rmki.kfki.hu /packages/binary/ | 08:44 |
| fenn | appparently i downloaded the .deb's somehow | 08:44 |
| kanzure | this doesn't sound like a very standard package, fenn | 08:44 |
| fenn | no | 08:45 |
| fenn | there aren't any other python graph packages are there? | 08:45 |
| fenn | anyway it looks a lot more complete than python-graph | 08:45 |
| kanzure | python-graph - transitional dummy package | 08:45 |
| kanzure | ok | 08:45 |
| kanzure | whatever. I'm just hoping there isn't too much cruft to get skdb running on someone else's system | 08:45 |
| fenn | wtf where did python-graph come from | 08:46 |
| fenn | aha | 08:46 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/python-graph/ | 08:46 |
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| fenn | so apparently now python-graph is in debian (was it not before?) but is not in ubuntu intrepid | 08:46 |
| kanzure | python-graph has been in debian for a long time | 08:47 |
| kanzure | python-pygraph | 08:47 |
| kanzure | oh it might be called 'python-pygraphviz' | 08:47 |
| fenn | that's not useful | 08:47 |
| fenn | it just does some crap like graphviz.write_dot_file | 08:48 |
| fenn | er, graphviz.read_dot_file | 08:48 |
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| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/garage-bio-magazine-editorial | 09:13 |
| fenn | boo hiss | 09:14 |
| fenn | i just realized that pitch is not the same as distance/thread for multi-start threads | 09:16 |
| fenn | (again) | 09:16 |
| kanzure | http://garagebiomagazine.com/ | 09:21 |
| fenn | so, access denied, and access denied. thanks a bunch | 09:25 |
| kanzure | no problem | 09:28 |
| kanzure | just showing the "progress" | 09:28 |
| kanzure | heee | 09:28 |
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| fenn | 1:1 scale gundam is sufficiently h+ to warrant mention in here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nophotonolife/3822887753/ | 10:21 |
| fenn | no need to thank me for sparing you from inane otaku/furry comments | 10:25 |
| kanzure | " | 10:28 |
| kanzure | "-Andrew is commiting $2000 toward the first 2 issues, covering copy- | 10:28 |
| kanzure | editing, print samples, graphic design, etc " | 10:28 |
| kanzure | http://vixra.org/ arxiv.org alternative | 10:32 |
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| genehacker | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/09/pattern_kits_for_gingery_machines.html | 11:51 |
| genehacker | possible kit idea | 11:51 |
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| katsmeow-afk | what does it mean "stack overflow" ? http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=747 | 15:20 |
| kanzure | stderr to stdout: something-that-generates-errors 2>&1 | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | IOError: error in package "lego": could not read file "3673.png" | 15:26 |
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| ybit | so what's the differing of opinions between fenn & kanzure and smari & samrose? | 16:55 |
| drazak | about what? | 17:04 |
| kanzure | about who's more awesome | 17:08 |
| kanzure | clearly I think I am more awesome | 17:08 |
| ybit | just wondering why tbit and skdb split as soon as they merged | 17:13 |
| ybit | over xml?.. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | they split? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | what?? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | when did this happen? | 17:14 |
| ybit | is what i'm told by smari | 17:15 |
| kanzure | he hasn't told me anything | 17:15 |
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| ybit | give me awhile, and i'll give you a copy of the conversation | 17:19 |
| ybit | emerging python atm so i can't sync my imap folder | 17:19 |
| ybit | s/folder/server | 17:19 |
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| fenn | i haven't heard anything from smari at all in months | 17:38 |
| fenn | well, a month | 17:39 |
| fenn | afaik tbit was just inventory/site stuff, so far | 17:39 |
| drazak | I'm going through xkcd and finding comics that my physics teacher may have missed, he likes xkcd, but I'm sure he hasn't read all of the old comics | 17:42 |
| kanzure | "The government had to nationalize a bunch of patents, set the license fees reasonably and pay back the original inventors to get more people working on planes." | 17:49 |
| ybit | http://tools.suckless.org/ | 17:55 |
| ybit | http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-SPECS/ | 18:17 |
| ybit | http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/videos/index.html | 18:20 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 19:19 |
| kanzure | updated the description | 19:19 |
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| ybit | kanzure: gingery? | 19:59 |
| drazak | they say gingerol boosts brain power | 20:00 |
| ybit | i see | 20:00 |
| drazak | I dunno if that has anything to do with the gingery thing | 20:00 |
| drazak | but | 20:00 |
| drazak | who knows | 20:00 |
| drazak | :D | 20:01 |
| ybit | it's referring to david gingery | 20:01 |
| drazak | oh right | 20:01 |
| ybit | :) | 20:01 |
| drazak | well gingerol does that too | 20:01 |
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| ybit | kanzure: give me admin privs please | 21:11 |
| kanzure | on what? | 21:11 |
| ybit | i want to ban xp_prg :P | 21:11 |
| kanzure | there are no ops in here | 21:11 |
| * ybit raises his fists to gods of nix | 21:11 | |
| ybit | dammit, so many package dep issues in my portage install, taking me forever to do simple things like install occ or use anything which requires python -_- | 21:12 |
| ybit | i thought occ was installed, but it wasn't there was some python dep problem, python-updater fails, revdep-rebuild failed, maybe this emerge world won't fail. i either need more control (a la lfs or slack) or less (a la arch) | 21:14 |
| * ybit likes his time though so arch is appealing | 21:14 | |
| ybit | alias ohshit='emerge -DNuva world && revdep-rebuild' | 21:15 |
| fenn | kanzure: it was from fritzing.org | 21:15 |
| ybit | nice | 21:17 |
| fenn | myriel milicevic http://neighbourhoodsatellites.com/ | 21:18 |
| ybit | 02:48 < kanzure> everyone sucks but me | 21:18 |
| kanzure | it's true | 21:18 |
| ybit | is that what you tell yourself when you wake up kanzure? :P | 21:18 |
| fenn | he remixed it into a techno song and falls asleep listening to it | 21:20 |
| kanzure | it's no-suck trance volume three (radio edit) | 21:20 |
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| ybit | right, so military grade soldering was listed in one of the sites above | 21:23 |
| ybit | mil-s-45743e | 21:23 |
| ybit | finishing going through the training on the manual tomorrow, yayboo | 21:25 |
| ybit | seems nothing has changed since '79, imagine that | 21:25 |
| ybit | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | 21:26 |
| ybit | Hash: SHA1 | 21:26 |
| ybit | That's a partial misunderstanding. I did merge with SKDB at one point, | 21:26 |
| ybit | but almost immediately thereafter a certain conflict arose and I have | 21:26 |
| ybit | since been developing Tangible Bit independently as before with a | 21:26 |
| ybit | growing assortment of collaborators. It wasn't a major conflict, just a | 21:26 |
| ybit | difference of opinion between myself and Sam on the one hand and Bryan | 21:26 |
| ybit | and Ben on the other, and Sam and I decided to keep plotting our own | 21:26 |
| ybit | path for now and perhaps try again at a merge at some later date. | 21:26 |
| ybit | Either way, the SKDB name would never have worked for me. :) | 21:26 |
| ybit | - Sm?ri | 21:26 |
| ybit | - Show quoted text - | 21:26 |
| ybit | Heath Matlock wrote: | 21:26 |
| ybit | > 2009/9/1 Sm?ri McCarthy <smari@anarchism.is>: | 21:26 |
| ybit | >> Thanks for the pointer. Do you think we need to rebrand? | 21:26 |
| ybit | > | 21:26 |
| ybit | > I thought you already rebranded by merging with SKDB? | 21:26 |
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| ybit | figured i would just paste since python wants to be stubborn tonight | 21:26 |
| kanzure | not sure what conflict he's talking about | 21:27 |
| kanzure | honestly sam didn't want to talk with me or something | 21:27 |
| kanzure | and got angry and never came back | 21:27 |
| ybit | really? man.. i don't recall that | 21:27 |
| ybit | you two seemed to be hitting it off about some evolutionary programming or something | 21:27 |
| kanzure | you'd think so, but he didn't seem to understand my tone or something | 21:28 |
| kanzure | and he thought I thought he was a moron | 21:28 |
| ybit | the logs show no sign of him getting angry, maybe through email? | 21:29 |
| kanzure | search the logs for "difficult" | 21:29 |
| ybit | % grep -i -r difficult irclogs/freenode/\#hplusroadmap.log | grep samrose | 21:29 |
| ybit | 11:18 < samrose> well, the intitial work could be difficult | 21:30 |
| kanzure | no | 21:30 |
| ybit | ah | 21:30 |
| ybit | no? then what convo.. | 21:31 |
| fenn | i agree sam had some totally unrealistic expectations and thought we were just making up the whole de-facto industry standard data suckiness problem | 21:32 |
| fenn | i thought he agreed to port some matweb data though | 21:32 |
| kanzure | hmm I recall the same too | 21:32 |
| * ybit recalls that part of the convo | 21:33 | |
| fenn | that was Tue Jul 21 2009 | 21:34 |
| kanzure | doesn't take that long to write a crappy parser | 21:34 |
| fenn | i think he was more into community gardening or something | 21:35 |
| fenn | sorry, "urban agriculture" | 21:35 |
| fenn | < samrose> but, typing shit out by hand is not how I usually operate, and I disagree that you'd be forced to type this out all by hand no matter what | 21:36 |
| genehacker2 | conflict with skdb? | 21:37 |
| fenn | i guess that was the disagreement | 21:37 |
| kanzure | samrose just wasn't listening | 21:37 |
| fenn | at least with samrose | 21:37 |
| kanzure | you don't just magically get data from The Void | 21:37 |
| genehacker2 | ok so does it matter if someone disagrees with skdb? | 21:38 |
| kanzure | not really. but smari is actually a somewhat good programmer | 21:38 |
| kanzure | and he ran a fablab back in the day | 21:38 |
| kanzure | so having him contributing is pretty neat | 21:38 |
| genehacker2 | but is it necessary? | 21:38 |
| kanzure | are you necessary? | 21:38 |
| fenn | smari is smart and has the right motives and ideals, and basically working on the same thing.. i think it matters | 21:39 |
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| genehacker2 | I am not sure if I am necessary | 21:39 |
| fenn | well so far you haven't even managed to install any supporting libraries | 21:40 |
| fenn | (or download any code even?) | 21:40 |
| ybit | 19:57 < samrose> java is actually a great programming lang | 21:41 |
| ybit | hmmm | 21:41 |
| ybit | that's disappointing :) | 21:41 |
| fenn | comments or thoughtful edits appreciated http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 21:41 |
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| ybit | fenn: did you give proper attribution for that image? | 21:42 |
| ybit | or request to use it? if not, that's cool... it's just something to consider when you go skdb.org or whatever | 21:43 |
| fenn | no, kanzure stole it, 100% of the blame -> kanzure | 21:43 |
| fenn | it's not quite right anyway | 21:43 |
| fenn | there's nothing about networks and sharing | 21:44 |
| genehacker2 | you could use an image search engine to find the source | 21:44 |
| ybit | remove the circuit board plugged into the wall and the breadboard and replace it with a human thinking of submarines would be more appropriate | 21:44 |
| ybit | genehacker2: he already knows where it came from | 21:45 |
| ybit | see fritzing | 21:45 |
| * kanzure proposes we steal the artist | 21:45 | |
| genehacker2 | let's | 21:45 |
| genehacker2 | or at least ask for permission to use the image | 21:45 |
| ybit | my company has offered to give me solidworks, *blah* | 21:46 |
| ybit | was re:"If you have access to expensive proprietary CAD software such as Solidworks, CATIA, or AutoCAD, and wish to help, please contact us at openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com" | 21:46 |
| fenn | alright, get converting! | 21:47 |
| genehacker2 | convert what? | 21:47 |
| fenn | um. stuff. | 21:47 |
| ybit | other cad programs already do this if i'm not mistaking | 21:47 |
| fenn | do what? | 21:47 |
| fenn | import .SLDPRT files? | 21:47 |
| fenn | ich dont think so | 21:47 |
| ybit | huh | 21:47 |
| ybit | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4463899/SolidWorks_2009 | 21:48 |
| ybit | what's the point of needing someone else to physically give you the program on the cd when this is available | 21:48 |
| kanzure | fyi, I have a copy of solidworks 2005, 2006, 2009 | 21:48 |
| kanzure | and autodesk inventor and mechanical | 21:49 |
| fenn | me too me too | 21:49 |
| kanzure | I also have a copy of pro/e | 21:49 |
| fenn | i have solidworks 2013 | 21:49 |
| fenn | post-mayan calendar version | 21:49 |
| * ybit needs a good enough computer to run a virtualized windows session | 21:49 | |
| ybit | fenn: please seed ;) | 21:49 |
| genehacker2 | do you even use those kanzure? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | yes sometimes | 21:49 |
| genehacker2 | on wine? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | unfortunately no | 21:51 |
| kanzure | autodesk stuff is hard to set up under wine IIRC | 21:51 |
| kanzure | lots of license-server bullshit | 21:51 |
| fenn | ybit: ok here's something to convert, i just ran across it the other day, not that i'm particularly interested in it but it would make a good skdb package except for all the files are .SLDPRT: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ | 21:52 |
| fenn | i should probably have been keeping a list of neat stuff but in the wrong format, oh well | 21:53 |
| fenn | and there's the whole "national design repository" which contains god knows what | 21:53 |
| kanzure | you rang? | 21:53 |
| kanzure | just spit out the files | 21:53 |
| fenn | are you talking to me? | 21:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:54 |
| fenn | kanzure: http://192.168.1.86/irc/backblaze-storage-pod-3d-design.zip | 21:56 |
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| genehacker2 | http://www.physorg.com/news171209923.html | 22:05 |
| genehacker2 | magnetic monopoles exist | 22:05 |
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| ybit | that's 22tb on each one of those backblaze hard drives.. | 22:41 |
| ybit | wow, i need to sleep | 22:42 |
| ybit | was thinking they were shooting for 1pb with one of those boxes | 22:42 |
| ybit | off to bed it is while gcc recompiles... | 22:45 |
| ybit | btw, fenn, where'd you hear about this blackbox setup? | 22:45 |
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