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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r d05fcd1 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: still converting graphsynth | 00:03 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c582d1e /packages/threads/generate.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 00:03 |
| genehacker | interesting | 00:04 |
| genehacker | looks like they might | 00:04 |
| genehacker | where are you ybit2? | 00:05 |
| ybit2 | genehacker: papers of itnerest that i will have to grab tomorrow | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:47 < ybit2> papers to grab: | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:47 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems on a printed wiring board platform | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:47 < ybit2> A novel microfluidic integration technology for PCB-based devices: Application to microflow sensing | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:47 < ybit2> Design and fabrication of microfluidic devices integrated with an open?ended MEMS probe for single?cell impedance measurement | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:48 < ybit2> http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=yG6pAAAAEBAJ&dq=fr4+microfluidics | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:48 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems in PCB technology | 00:18 |
| ybit2 | 23:49 < ybit2> Integrated microfluidic components on a printed wiring board platform | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | 23:49 < ybit2> Low cost piezo printhead based on microfluidics in printed circuit board and screen-printed piezoelectrics <- name of patent linked to | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | 23:49 < ybit2> time for bed | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | i'm in florence, alabama | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | www.api-assembled.com is the company | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | don't tell them i said it but one of the owners is an asshole, so don't recommend the business unless it benefits me :P | 00:19 |
| ybit2 | in the case of fabricating stuff for diybio, that's fun and it would be during the ~1.5 hours of free time each day i have to mess around | 00:20 |
| ybit2 | anyway, i'm not in it for profit atm, so i'll do it for as cheap as possible and probably for no profit | 00:22 |
| ybit2 | so if you don't have access to the machines from a uni, i'm probably the cheapest option for the diyers | 00:23 |
| ybit2 | "and probably for no profit" -probably | 00:23 |
| ybit2 | they freaked out when i asked to make an inventory of the place for skdb | 00:24 |
| ybit2 | not the good kind of freaking out, and they == the one asshole | 00:24 |
| ybit2 | my def of an asshole, someone who should portrays immaturity on a continual basis | 00:25 |
| ybit2 | -should | 00:25 |
| ybit2 | s/someone/an adult | 00:27 |
| ybit2 | hmm.. bad def. but i'm too tired to care. gn, talk to you all on the weekend (later today) | 00:28 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't have said skdb, you should tell them the truth: it's a list of hardware that we'll probably never use, but they might find more useful for their day-to-day operations | 00:51 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 2c49b5a /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: added a grammar rule apply method | 00:54 |
| genehacker | generally people don't like to give out inventories of everything they have | 00:55 |
| ybit2 | i just said that it was for a project which potentially could give them more business, but i have found out that you don't do anything that will make this guy uncomfortable, otherwise he makes an ass of himself | 00:57 |
| ybit2 | i tried to explain the concept of what skdb was but was interrupted because frankly he doesn't give a damn | 00:58 |
| ybit2 | i would publish only what they wanted me to, but whatever, i'm going to learn what i need to and say to hell with this company sometime this winter | 00:59 |
| ybit2 | ..or whenever i can do what i'm doing there at my place | 01:00 |
| ybit2 | off to bed. | 01:00 |
| ybit2 | well fuck, i'll say it anyway and then go to bed. the reason this guy (not the other) is an asshole: he wants it done his way no matter if it's wrong or the long way around.. i was told to help fetch patents and i had all 5 of mine printed by the time they were able to print off 2. turns out they were going to uspto.gov and not google.com/patents.. i asked if they had heard of it and told them it's very quick and simple... i was told "listen as | 01:05 |
| ybit2 | thus the reason for me looking into working for myself yesterday | 01:06 |
| ybit2 | and the main reason they can't keep employees or grow, because one guy is strange | 01:06 |
| ybit2 | and he happens to head up the business aspect of things | 01:07 |
| ybit2 | alright, now it's time for bed and no more complaining | 01:07 |
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| fenn | "Materials & Assembly Requirements of a General Fabrication Robot: The most expensive thing are the sensors? The rest is in AI development; so it would not hurt for programmers to take a philosophy course or two" | 04:52 |
| * fenn cries | 04:52 | |
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| kanzure | oh fuck that was nathan? | 06:12 |
| kanzure | argh | 06:12 |
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| fenn | these guys are totally kicking our collective ass http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=284 | 06:16 |
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| bkero | fenn: damn | 06:38 |
| fenn | this was the first post i read from bunnie about shenzhen: http://www.bunniestudios.com/wordpress/?p=147 | 06:40 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.shanzai.com/ has twitter and even a youtube channel | 06:45 |
| bkero | Heh bandit gadgets | 06:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: campbell would like some yaml folding please | 07:13 |
| kanzure | does kate do it? | 07:13 |
| fenn | yes | 07:22 |
| fenn | um | 07:22 |
| fenn | i had to modify the syntax file :\ | 07:22 |
| fenn | in .kde/share/apps/katepart/yaml.xml after <general> add <folding indentationsensitive="1" /> | 07:24 |
| fenn | i dunno what editor campbell likes | 07:24 |
| kanzure | microsoft buttrape 2011 | 07:26 |
| kanzure | well he has a shell login, he can deal I guess | 07:26 |
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| fenn | does vim do yaml folding? i can never remember how to do code folding in vim | 07:28 |
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| kanzure | transform description language: http://ivan.tubert.org/caos/doc/tdl.html | 10:39 |
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| kanzure | http://ivan.tubert.org/caos/moldb.zip | 10:40 |
| fenn | there's that damn verb-is-a-noun thing again | 10:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have a hard time convincing people that (outside main clauses), "the" and "a" are prepositions | 10:51 |
| fenn | i went to "the" store | 10:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | but that's a main clause | 10:51 |
| fenn | ok please provide a correct example | 10:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | i just woke up, get back tome later :-) | 10:52 |
| fenn | for some unknown reason i'm feeling awesome today | 10:52 |
| Utopiah | out of curiosity, any already batch-uploaded 1Gb of research papers at http://www.scribd.com/ to manage (and link for internal reference) and read all online? | 10:52 |
| Utopiah | (no idea if they have API, if it's legal, etc...) | 10:52 |
| fenn | scribd is awful, why would anyone use it? | 10:53 |
| Utopiah | suggestion? | 10:53 |
| fenn | what's the intended purpose? | 10:53 |
| Utopiah | avoiding that a friend upload her entire collection in my wiki but still be able to use refs without being limited by paywalls where she legally got the papers | 10:54 |
| fenn | scribd doesn't make copyright infringement any more legal | 10:55 |
| Utopiah | well, point isn't to share with the entire world | 10:55 |
| fenn | then just copy the relevant papers? | 10:55 |
| fenn | buy a 4GB flash card for $5, mail to your friend, have her mail it back | 10:56 |
| Utopiah | IMHO having online links to official journals and offline pdfs is better but maybe she has other ideas in mind, I know that you can link directly to certain page in pdfs and admit that would be nice, but won't go well with paywalls | 10:57 |
| kanzure | oh man fenn's on fire today. | 10:57 |
| * fenn procrastinates furiously | 10:57 | |
| * katsmeow-afk puts off procrastinating | 10:58 | |
| fenn | too late | 10:58 |
| fenn | your deadline has passed | 10:59 |
| * kanzure puts off putting off procrastinating | 10:59 | |
| katsmeow-afk | <crash> | 10:59 |
| kanzure | recursion depth exceeded | 10:59 |
| kanzure | er, stack overflow | 10:59 |
| fenn | your stack only has two levels? | 10:59 |
| kanzure | :( | 10:59 |
| kanzure | don't laugh | 10:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's a 6502, whadya expect? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | my procrastination module seems to be an alternating series, so if you take the limit of it you'll find that it diverges to infinity instead of converging to "no work" or "work" (which unfortunately are only symbolic bounds and not anything actually useful) | 11:02 |
| * katsmeow-afk looks for that sadistic Schrodinger | 11:04 | |
| kanzure | more xml crud .. http://www.chemaxon.com/jchem/doc/user/config_downloadables/chemaxon_reaction_library_demo.zip | 11:08 |
| kanzure | (tarbomb) | 11:08 |
| fenn | why do they call it a tarbomb when it's always a zip file? | 11:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | praps because in the olden days, win95 could not open .t* ? | 11:15 |
| fenn | a tarbomb is when you extract an archive and it dumps files all over the current directory | 11:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | and dos32 fs had limits | 11:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | fat32 | 11:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | and win95a had fat16 | 11:18 |
| fenn | hah "this week on campus: Objectivism Society hosts video on abolishing publicly funded schools" | 11:22 |
| fenn | in other news, worcestershire sauce is nothing like A1 steak sauce | 11:22 |
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| kanzure | cracking zip files is slow | 11:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.chemaxon.com/jchem/doc/user/config_downloadables/chemaxon_reaction_library.zip | 11:39 |
| kanzure | can anyone crack that? I've been using fcrackzip but, again, it's slow | 11:39 |
| kanzure | maybe there are some analysis tools that can figure out the password length, etc.? instead of my random guesses on length bounds | 11:39 |
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| kanzure | http://blueobelisk.sourceforge.net/wiki/Blue_Obelisk_Blogs | 11:44 |
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| kanzure | just called orr ravitz over the phone | 12:03 |
| kanzure | he sent me this long, verbose email about how I am a "competitive threat" to http://symbiosys.ca/ | 12:04 |
| fenn | competetive threat to .. salmon fishing? | 12:05 |
| kanzure | well, orr and his team made "route designer", the retrosynthesis engine thingy | 12:06 |
| fenn | well, too fucking bad | 12:06 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Route%20designer%20-%20a%20retrosynthetic%20analysis%20tool%20utilizing%20automated%20retrosynthetic%20rule%20generation.pdf | 12:06 |
| kanzure | well I made this "negative comment" in an email about Route Designer | 12:06 |
| kanzure | saying it was a black hole | 12:06 |
| kanzure | and he said "it is very much alive and hope you will publish a public retraction" | 12:06 |
| * kanzure giggles | 12:06 | |
| fenn | maybe he should publish a comment saying they're still alive | 12:07 |
| fenn | wouldn't that be the appropriate thing to do? | 12:07 |
| fenn | "news just in: sumerian is actually not a dead language, you'll have to take my word for it" | 12:07 |
| kanzure | he also said that I was making the problem too easy | 12:09 |
| kanzure | that it is "much, much harder than that" | 12:09 |
| kanzure | "getting the data is half the battle" | 12:09 |
| kanzure | and he kind of laughed | 12:09 |
| kanzure | but honestly graph grammars seem to be the way to do it | 12:10 |
| kanzure | get the data, implement as a graph grammar, start from there | 12:10 |
| kanzure | "maybe if you guys are having so much trouble, you would be interested in hiring me" | 12:10 |
| kanzure | but the conversation was cut short :/ | 12:10 |
| fenn | getting the data is half the battle? wtf | 12:15 |
| fenn | just type in your favorite reaction mechanisms | 12:15 |
| fenn | it doesn't need to be 100% complete (whatever that means anyway) | 12:15 |
| kanzure | no I said getting the data is half the battle. | 12:16 |
| fenn | well, whoever said it needs to take a chill pill | 12:16 |
| kanzure | yes you can type them in but getting that into a usable format is going to take a long time | 12:16 |
| kanzure | that is a "battle" | 12:16 |
| fenn | nonsense | 12:16 |
| kanzure | you want to sit there typing in a few hundred reactions all day? | 12:16 |
| fenn | if you really sit down to do it, this sort of drudgery goes faster than you think | 12:16 |
| kanzure | ETA? | 12:16 |
| fenn | find a reaction mechanism, type it up in yaml, multiply by 0.7 times how long it took you to enter it | 12:17 |
| fenn | times number of mechanisms | 12:17 |
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| fenn | http://miningdrugs.blogspot.com/2007/04/publishing-chemical-picture-means-not.html | 12:21 |
| fenn | halfway the right idea | 12:21 |
| kanzure | haha | 12:22 |
| kanzure | OCR for chem. sigh. | 12:22 |
| kanzure | code committed two hours ago. huh. | 12:23 |
| fenn | what code? | 12:29 |
| fenn | route designer? | 12:29 |
| kanzure | no for the ocr chem thing you just linked to | 12:30 |
| kanzure | the one on sf.net | 12:30 |
| fenn | i linked to something? | 12:30 |
| fenn | i thought it was just a rant about people not publishing data | 12:30 |
| kanzure | miningdrugs? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | "Two new computer vision algorithms trying to create knowledge from 'stupid' pictures are" | 12:30 |
| kanzure | so let me get this straight | 12:30 |
| kanzure | I don't read anything | 12:31 |
| kanzure | you read everything thoroughly | 12:31 |
| kanzure | and somehow I was the one who picked up on this? | 12:31 |
| fenn | well i don't really care about chemistry for some reason so i sort of skim it | 12:31 |
| kanzure | this is about the only thing worthwhile with chemistry as far as I can tell | 12:32 |
| fenn | but i thought the magritte pipe picture was a useful communication tool | 12:32 |
| kanzure | that and figuring out what hardware and glassware to set up in what configuration for what synthesis | 12:32 |
| fenn | what about predicting chemical/material properties? | 12:32 |
| kanzure | yeah | 12:32 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 12:32 |
| fenn | isn't that useful? | 12:32 |
| kanzure | I don't know any algorithms that do that | 12:32 |
| fenn | really? that's terrible | 12:32 |
| kanzure | guess you could search for "ab initio material" on google scholar if you wanted to see if there was anything for that | 12:33 |
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| fenn | it doesn't even need to be ab initio, just general trends so that you can extrapolate from known data points | 12:33 |
| fenn | i.e. i know the viscosity of PEG-40 so what's the viscosity of PEG-200? | 12:33 |
| kanzure | what *is* the viscosity of PEG-40 for that matter? | 12:34 |
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| fenn | you and your hard questions | 12:36 |
| fenn | hey is there a vectorization algorithm that gives you back stroked lines? (not their borders) | 12:38 |
| fenn | like if i vectorize a minus sign i should get back one line, not a rectangle | 12:38 |
| kanzure | nice system: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~alan/worknote.htm | 12:47 |
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| bkero | kanzure: We can do all that now on top of Linux | 12:55 |
| kanzure | working notes? | 12:55 |
| bkero | A lot of that effort was being done around the same time(maybe a bit later) at MIT. | 12:56 |
| kanzure | working notes can be saved to a file, yes | 12:56 |
| bkero | Processes and end goals that the working notes describe | 12:56 |
| bkero | Such as detachment | 12:56 |
| * fenn mumbles something about Wave | 12:56 | |
| bkero | Is it open to the public yet? | 12:57 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 4b2d6b8 /packages/threads/generate.py: ooify Helix, draw corners of valley and crest | 12:58 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r cae5be1 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 12:58 |
| fenn | i doubt it | 12:58 |
| kanzure | did you edit graphsynth.py? | 12:59 |
| fenn | no i just didnt know i should have pulled until it was too late | 12:59 |
| fenn | i have trouble going from 'ok i should commit my changes' to a fully formed commit message | 12:59 |
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| fenn | often it takes looking at various files multiple times to figure out what i just did | 12:59 |
| fenn | expecting me to remember to pull before doing anything is too much | 13:00 |
| fenn | i don't get it.. BRep_Tool segfaults whenever i try to do anything with my helix | 13:33 |
| fenn | i just want the damn end points | 13:33 |
| fenn | well this is probably a clue, the endpoints have the same address: [<OCC.TopoDS.TopoDS_Vertex; proxy of <Swig Object of type 'TopoDS_Vertex *' at 0xc85e2a0> >, <OCC.TopoDS.TopoDS_Vertex; proxy of <Swig Object of type 'TopoDS_Vertex *' at 0xc85e2a0> >] | 13:41 |
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| fenn | welp i got the endpoints.. why didn't that work before? | 14:07 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/scrapers/methods-in-organic-chem/ | 14:09 |
| kanzure | the timestamps are interesting | 14:15 |
| kanzure | the beilstein database uses a nice yaml-like format | 14:21 |
| kanzure | http://library.dialog.com/bluesheets/html/bl0391.html | 14:21 |
| kanzure | scroll down to: Reaction Id: 9178597 | 14:21 |
| fenn | <center> FTL | 14:22 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 86df554 /packages/threads/generate.py: some progress on finding endpoints; still confused why the for loop doesn't work but endpoints() does | 14:23 |
| fenn | i shouldn't have to be worrying about memory addresses | 14:23 |
| kanzure | oh that's just the dialgor site's thingy | 14:23 |
| fenn | so now that i have all the edges, i should just be able to make a helical face right? (crosses fingers) | 14:25 |
| kanzure | http://directory.adeptscience.com/productid/CS-CS-STUD/4/1161/CS-CS-STUD.html hm.. | 14:50 |
| kanzure | chemsynth one year personal internet subscription: $599 | 14:51 |
| kanzure | hahah | 14:51 |
| kanzure | http://scistore.cambridgesoft.com/ScistoreProductPage.aspx?ItemID=5221 | 14:51 |
| kanzure | wow $4k for a CD? | 14:52 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 00ba356 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: finished graphsynth grammar rule features, moving on to rule sets | 15:04 |
| fenn | as far as java graph visualization goes this is not bad: http://goosebumps4all.net/34all/gallery.html | 15:22 |
| fenn | i guess most of the magic comes from http://prefuse.org/ | 15:27 |
| fenn | oh.. bah. 34all is not free software.. how did they manage that? | 15:28 |
| bkero | You should give up this java habit of yours. It's not healthy. | 15:33 |
| fenn | recommendations for interactive graph visualization? | 15:36 |
| fenn | i guess that's a no then, bkero | 15:45 |
| fenn | prefuse is BSD fwiw | 15:45 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r f510125 /packages/threads/generate.py: try to make a helical face; fails with StdFail_NotDone | 15:49 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 1142b10 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 15:49 |
| fenn | kanzure: graphsynth.py is 1400 lines, don't you think that's a little silly? | 15:49 |
| genehacker | kanzure what are you doing with chemistry? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: what? | 15:54 |
| kanzure | genehacker: retrosynthetic analysis | 15:54 |
| genehacker | with graphsynth? | 15:55 |
| genehacker | ok | 15:55 |
| kanzure | um no | 15:55 |
| fenn | close but no cigar | 15:55 |
| bkero | fenn: I was AFK | 15:55 |
| kanzure | right now I'm just looking for some files of at least 100+ reaction mechanisms in some computational format | 15:55 |
| genehacker | organic chemistry .org | 15:55 |
| genehacker | not in a good format though | 15:55 |
| kanzure | it's a squatter | 15:56 |
| genehacker | ok once you get it working figure out how to synthesize diisopropylamine | 15:56 |
| genehacker | and Diethyl sulfate | 15:56 |
| genehacker | they're part of the dependency tree to make a protecting group for making photolabile phosphoramidites | 15:58 |
| bkero | For interactive graph visualiation there's Graph Gear, matplotlib, OpenLazlo, graphviz, and a few others | 15:58 |
| kanzure | graphviz is not interactive | 15:59 |
| kanzure | fail | 15:59 |
| fenn | graphviz is so not interactive | 15:59 |
| bkero | Graphviz is made interactive through the python bindings/agraph library | 15:59 |
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| kanzure | bkero: were the layout algorithms rewritten? | 15:59 |
| fenn | by "interactive" i mean you can move nodes around and stuff | 16:00 |
| fenn | or at very least click on them and get a callback | 16:00 |
| bkero | Something wrong with Graph Gear? | 16:00 |
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| fenn | never heard of it.. looking | 16:00 |
| genehacker | though might only work with the pyrimidines | 16:02 |
| genehacker | if I understand what the paper said correctly | 16:02 |
| fenn | bkero: graph gear is javascript, so uh, how is it better than prefuse? | 16:02 |
| fenn | eh, well i gotta go sit on a bus for an hour.. ttyl | 16:03 |
| bkero | It's slightly more compatible, you don't have to write crap in java, it's got a nicer toolkit than prefuse, and it's clusterable. | 16:06 |
| bkero | http://flowingdata.com/2008/09/08/interactive-graph-visualization-system-skyrails/ | 16:06 |
| bkero | Oh yea, and it's more stable than prefuse. :P And has a release newer than a beta back from 2007. | 16:09 |
| genehacker | whoa | 16:09 |
| genehacker | that's something else | 16:09 |
| genehacker | if you had some stereo goggles | 16:09 |
| bkero | I like skyrails :) | 16:09 |
| genehacker | is it free? | 16:09 |
| genehacker | and is it compatible with what we're doing? | 16:10 |
| Utopiah | bkero: it has TV-show-quality | 16:11 |
| genehacker | heh | 16:11 |
| genehacker | looks like something from ghost in the shell | 16:11 |
| bkero | Or Cowboy Bebop or Lain | 16:11 |
| bkero | :) | 16:11 |
| Utopiah | I wish :/ | 16:11 |
| Utopiah | in the end, sticking with the CLI anyway | 16:12 |
| genehacker | what 3d drivers does it use? | 16:12 |
| bkero | sdl | 16:12 |
| genehacker | blast | 16:12 |
| bkero | and GL | 16:12 |
| bkero | glut32 and sdl_image | 16:12 |
| genehacker | don't think my Nvidia card can render stereo for that | 16:12 |
| genehacker | I need to learn to program better | 16:13 |
| bkero | Not liking wine | 16:13 |
| bkero | There's a linux library in here, why is there no ELF executable? :/ | 16:13 |
| bkero | Seems like this guy would open it if he knew anything about open source | 16:29 |
| kanzure | "A list of indexed journals is available from Beilstein. Beilstein's literature coverage before 1980 was much more extensive, with over 2,000 journals plus patents being examined. In 1980 Beilstein stopped patent coverage and dropped its journal coverage to only 80 titles, a number that increased gradually thereafter. " | 16:30 |
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| katsmeow-afk | what's wrong with this statement: Scientists say the Greenland ice sheet, which is up to 2 miles (3 kilometers) thick and covers an area almost the size of Mexico, is losing about 7 billion cubic feet | 17:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | answer: it's insignificant, it's 1/3 mile cubed | 17:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: didn't you look up the depth of polar ice caps today? and it was something like 20m? | 17:17 |
| bkero | That's at the pole, not Greenland though. | 17:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, that was Greenland, and there is no north polar ice cap | 17:18 |
| bkero | Even a constant 1/3 mi^3 per year is pretty significant | 17:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | from all of Greenland?? | 17:19 |
| bkero | Hard to say what 'losing' is. Is that aggregate loss over the course of a years thawing and refreezing? | 17:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | didn't say | 17:20 |
| bkero | I'd say that's pretty damn important | 17:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | prolly has no clue | 17:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | "How you engineer for a sea level rise of 30 centimeters is quite different as to how you would ... deal with a sea level rise of 1 meter." | 17:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | a silly foot is "quite different" ?? | 17:22 |
| genehacker | pah global warming is the least of our worries | 17:22 |
| bkero | Erm, that's 2 feet of difference | 17:22 |
| bkero | 30cm = 0.98 feet, 1 meter = 3.3 feet | 17:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | looking at the rule in my hand, 12 inches = 30cm | 17:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | 30.5 | 17:23 |
| genehacker | ocean acidification might be worse | 17:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | usnavy report says per cu ft, there's 200x more co2 in ocean water than in the atmosphere | 17:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't see how | 17:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | i gotta go, bbl | 17:26 |
| bkero | Even with high co2 absorption, you still have problems calcifying things | 17:27 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/scrapers/mocdb.zip (75MB) | 17:33 |
| genehacker | molecule database? | 17:34 |
| bkero | Mustang Owners Club of Great Britain? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | about 20,000 reaction mechanisms | 17:34 |
| kanzure | in png format :( | 17:34 |
| genehacker | from where? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | methods in organic chemistry (MOC) | 17:34 |
| genehacker | have you tried organicchemistry.org? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | it's squatted | 17:35 |
| genehacker | http://www.organic-chemistry.org/synthesis/ | 17:36 |
| genehacker | this | 17:36 |
| genehacker | had name wrong | 17:36 |
| genehacker | http://www.organic-chemistry.org/protectivegroups/ | 17:36 |
| genehacker | argh | 17:36 |
| genehacker | they don't have information on the t-Butyldiphenylsilyl ether (TBDPS-OR) | 17:37 |
| genehacker | protecting group | 17:37 |
| genehacker | which we need to know about to make photolabile phosphoramidites | 17:37 |
| kanzure | so it looks like the idea is to pop and pick anything not in a ring off of a molecule via single bond reactions either addition or removal | 17:37 |
| genehacker | well what do you want to synthesize? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | if that's true then you don't need big-fancy reaction mechansims | 17:38 |
| kanzure | *mechanisms | 17:38 |
| kanzure | and only the small ones which could be combined to make larger rules if necessary | 17:38 |
| genehacker | well from my chem teacher organic chemistry is weird because we don't know why somethings happen | 17:39 |
| genehacker | so you're trying to do retrosynthetic analysis so we can make different chemicals we might need from scratch | 17:43 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:44 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistically_superlative_countries | 21:21 |
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| ybit | Earlier Berkeley studies estimated that by the end of 1999, the sum of human-produced information (including all audio, video recordings and text/books) was about 12 exabytes of data.[18] | 21:58 |
| ybit | http://www.cio.com/article/29802/Juan_Enriquez_on_Patient_Health_Information | 21:59 |
| ybit | The 2003 Berkeley report stated that in 2002 alone, "telephone calls worldwide on both landlines and mobile phones contained 17.3 exabytes of new information if stored in digital form" and that "it would take 9.25 exabytes of storage to hold all U.S. [telephone] calls each year."[13] International Data Corporation estimates that approximately 160 exabytes of digital information were created, captured, and replicated worldwide in 2006.[19] | 21:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | and replicated? | 22:01 |
| ybit | kind of like what i just did | 22:02 |
| ybit | and google's cache probably helps these figures | 22:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | ah | 22:03 |
| ybit | o.O $2k for http://tools.tycoelectronics.com/ammoktema.html | 22:14 |
| ybit | http://www.google.com/products?q=automatic crimpers $600 is the lowest | 22:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | to crimp what? | 22:20 |
| ybit | anything that's crimpable | 22:23 |
| ybit | i want one, i've used a few at work, and it saves time | 22:24 |
| ybit | http://www.newark.com/ | 22:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh | 22:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think i paid $20 for my ethernet crimper | 22:28 |
| ybit | http://www.emlinq.com/equipment.htm | 22:37 |
| ybit | a company which freely shares what equipment they have, imagine that | 22:38 |
| ybit | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/obscuretools | 22:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | i useto have a Resistor lead forming tool. | 22:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | bent a lot of pins with a manual chip inserter, then tossed it | 22:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | You slide the chip into the end of the tool, put it where it goes, and press the button to push it into the baord. lol | 22:47 |
| ybit | http://www.dansdata.com/tools.htm | 22:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | the tool works just as well, lol | 22:47 |
| ybit | i've got an ic popper, never knew what the heck it was until just now | 22:47 |
| ybit | wasn't mentioned in the soldering system's manual | 22:48 |
| ybit | 22:47 < katsmeow-afk> the tool works just as well, lol, lead forming tool or manual chip inserter? | 22:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | chip inserter | 22:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | his description, "baord", the inserter works as well as that | 22:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | the resistor former wasn't worth the trouble either, actually, unless you reeally have 1000's of resistors to do, and theya re wearing the skin off your fingers | 22:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | it won't do 1/4 watts well | 22:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | heck of a selection of roach clips : http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/CTGY/hemostat-forcep-serrated | 22:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | i mean transistor lead heatsinks | 22:55 |
| ybit | PLCC chip puller, that would have saved me from burning my hands in a soldering pot several times :P | 22:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | use a bent screwdriver or dental gouge | 23:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | the gouge is prolly a lot cheaper than bending jewlers screwdrivers tho | 23:01 |
| ybit | i use bent tweezers atm | 23:01 |
| ybit | much like these http://www.abeadstore.com/s.nl/it.A/id.312/.f | 23:02 |
| * katsmeow-afk waits for the puter to cool off before going there | 23:04 | |
| ybit | this i did not know about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_for_Two | 23:05 |
| ybit | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/tennis | 23:06 |
| kanzure | wasn't there a crimper from the oomlout folks? | 23:09 |
| kanzure | oh it was just a wire stripper | 23:09 |
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