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| kanzure | ted's "100kgarages" website sucks | 08:34 |
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| kanzure | hm there's a #tangiblebit? | 08:55 |
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| deviantlarva | hi | 08:59 |
| kanzure | hello | 09:01 |
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| deviantlarva | hi kanzure | 09:03 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 09:04 |
| deviantlarva | nothing for now, just hanging around to see how things happens^^ | 09:07 |
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| deviantlarva | see ya | 10:00 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 7b8da88 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: wrote find_delegate to graphsynth to help find matching objects with similar dictionaries | 10:41 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: you going to the presentation at noon? | 10:58 |
| genehacker | yes where is it again? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | one moment | 11:00 |
| kanzure | NST 1.104 at 12PM | 11:01 |
| genehacker | 12pm? | 11:02 |
| kanzure | noon | 11:02 |
| genehacker | affirmative | 11:03 |
| kanzure | so i deleted 22,000 emails from my account on gmail and not even a megabyte was freed? | 11:11 |
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| kanzure | fenn: Range("20 m", "kg") shouldn't this fail? | 11:37 |
| fenn | ya | 11:38 |
| kanzure | ok time to go act as if i know molecular biology | 11:39 |
| fenn | whee | 11:39 |
| fenn | so much for reading the papers before i show up :P | 11:39 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2009-09-15-rothemund-utexas.html rothemund talk notes | 13:32 |
| fenn | caDNAno is written with "Adobe Air" | 13:32 |
| kanzure | god no :( | 13:32 |
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| Smari | happy now? | 14:27 |
| kanzure | yay | 14:29 |
| kanzure | yes I am | 14:29 |
| kanzure | we were talking about something earlier today but i'm not sure what or where to pick up | 14:30 |
| Smari | think about it. I'll be back whenever my assignment for tomorrow is done. | 14:37 |
| kanzure | guess i'll act like i'm doing homework too for the time being | 14:37 |
| fenn | long DNA sequences containing occasional errors would still be usable for DNA origami | 14:40 |
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| fenn | even if a similar sequence would be prohibitively expensive to synthesize for gene coding purposes, it would still be economically viable for origami | 14:41 |
| fenn | because the exponential increase in getting an error doesn't matter, only the total error rate | 14:41 |
| fenn | javascript makes my eyes film over | 14:45 |
| fenn | i'm sure this code does something interesting but i just don't see it | 14:45 |
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| kanzure | fenn: what code in particular? | 15:31 |
| kanzure | i'd be happy to walk you through some javascript bullshit | 15:32 |
| kanzure | just don't ask me to explain DOM to you | 15:32 |
| kanzure | for some reason i'm reading a nuclear radiation book | 15:32 |
| kanzure | i don't understand why everyone is crazy about radiation instead of radioactives | 15:33 |
| kanzure | i mean, when it comes to carcinogens, radioactive isotopes lodged in your body are more damaging than just some dosage of radiation | 15:33 |
| fenn | cadnano, it's written in actionscript | 15:38 |
| fenn | nanoengineer-1 is C and python, and it's GPL so that's pretty sweet | 15:38 |
| kanzure | there was another one btw | 15:40 |
| kanzure | i hope i'm not thinking of cadnano | 15:40 |
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| fenn | kanzure: gamma radiation can cause secondary radioactive isotopes | 15:47 |
| drazak | kanzure: eugen is sort of annoying, and yeah, people fuckup the formatting, they don't need to be crusified every time, and sometimes it's because the client doesn't show them they're top posting, IE. my phone didn't show that when I replied that it had kept the quoted text, so I had no clue | 15:56 |
| * fenn curses the unix gods | 16:02 | |
| fenn | PyQt version 4.2 or later is required, but version 4.3.3 was found instead. Please update your PyQt to version 4.2. | 16:02 |
| * bkero hugs the unix gods. | 16:02 | |
| bkero | Poorly written software | 16:03 |
| fenn | autoconf | 16:03 |
| fenn | if test $found_major_version -gt $min_major_version; then | 16:03 |
| bkero | Poorly written software | 16:03 |
| bkero | Shouldn't that be gre? | 16:03 |
| bkero | gte | 16:03 |
| bkero | I guess there'd need to be two conditionals, if gt then proceed, eq check minor | 16:04 |
| kanzure | well these results are all pretty neat: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=maintenance+procedure+validation+tasks+automated+instructions&btnG=Search | 16:47 |
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| ybit | so i was thinking today that... | 17:22 |
| ybit | 17:13 <ybit> ..the more the business does, the less time i have to pursue my own projects because i'll be so tied down with administrative tasks | 17:22 |
| ybit | 17:13 <ybit> so it might be good to just make the business operate smoothly and pursue my other hobbies not as a business but as a hobby | 17:22 |
| ybit | 17:14 <ybit> here's kind of an updated plan.. will probably be redrawn and edited | 17:22 |
| ybit | 17:14 <ybit> http://filebin.ca/rtotgu/b4200.png | 17:22 |
| ybit | so just make the junkyard run smoothly and have time to pursue me hobbies | 17:22 |
| ybit | 13:32 < fenn> caDNAno is written with "Adobe Air" | 17:26 |
| ybit | 13:32 < kanzure> god no :( | 17:26 |
| ybit | we've already been over this you two | 17:26 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ybit, got storage, you need to store big stuff people give you for next-to-$nothing, so if i need 4 identical 90 degree heavy gearsets for my load-carrying dinosaur's legs , you can hand me 4 identical differentials | 17:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | if someone sells you arc welders as scrap, you do NOT trash them, you save them, or at least all the parts, like the 300amp@600v diodes, the phase control scrs, the transformers, the leads, etc | 17:34 |
| ybit | of course silly :P | 17:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | if i want a hovercraft engine, you sell me a working all-aluminum 4cyl car engine | 17:35 |
| ybit | hehe | 17:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | if i want a PT oat engine, you sell me the biggest diesel you have | 17:36 |
| ybit | but the point of this is that i have time to pursue hobbies because running a junkyard, like any other business takes time, but keeping it just a junkyard is a lot less hassle then making it a junkyard + 50 other services | 17:36 |
| ybit | but it's also still providing a place to tinker if ya look at the drawing | 17:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | i agree, to a point: you will make more money selling intact stuff to people who want that stuff, than selling it merely for it's weight | 17:37 |
| ybit | tinking == building ai robot overlords | 17:37 |
| ybit | tinkering* | 17:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | afk-ish | 17:38 |
| * ybit doesn't know what ass fucking kanzure-ish means.. are you doing it or not... so confused | 17:41 | |
| * katsmeow-afk reminds ybit that she has no external genitals to be ass fucking anyone | 17:51 | |
| katsmeow-afk | and, if you were discussing this at your business while i was there, i wouldn't be back | 17:52 |
| * ybit reminds katsmeow-afk of strap-ons | 18:15 | |
| * ybit keeps his mouth shut for now on though :) | 18:15 | |
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| drazak | kanzure: why do people on diybio have an issue with just doing shit | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | costs money right? | 18:45 |
| drazak | well if they're building electroporators | 18:46 |
| drazak | then they can fucking try a heatshock | 18:46 |
| ybit | http://creativecommons.org/videos/mayer-and-bettle2 is kind of scary | 19:29 |
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| ybit | hi sutr | 19:30 |
| sutr | hello | 19:30 |
| ybit | http://elm-chan.org/works/vlp/report_e.html is similar to the $10 xy laser scanner project | 19:32 |
| ybit | sutr: who are ya? what are your interests, concentration, and hobbies? | 19:34 |
| sutr | nothing going on really, I dont have investment interests, I just heard of your site and thought it sounded interesting, electronics and engineering is intresting as well | 19:39 |
| ybit | our site? | 19:40 |
| sutr | the channel | 19:41 |
| ybit | the wiki seems to have been long forgotten, mostly cause kanzure's server was afk (in whatever way you want to take that ;) | 19:41 |
| ybit | well.. guess i'm off to install the new 1tb hdd finally | 19:43 |
| kanzure | woah wtf is with the diybio@gmail.com idea? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | i don't even begin to understand explaining why that's a bad idea | 19:52 |
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| kanzure | what am i doing? | 20:04 |
| kanzure | does anyone know what i claim to be doing right now? | 20:05 |
| genehacker | no | 20:05 |
| drazak | kanzure: yeah, I know | 20:22 |
| drazak | I only ever comment on the biology, other than eugen leitl being a pussy | 20:23 |
| kanzure | so can someone tell me why we haven't split off yet from diybio and all these other groups? | 20:24 |
| drazak | I dunno | 20:24 |
| drazak | we need a group for discussion of science | 20:24 |
| drazak | no politics allowed | 20:24 |
| kanzure | i think you can talk about politics if you're really careful, or if it's one tenth of your output/bullshit or something | 20:24 |
| kanzure | but yes | 20:25 |
| kanzure | i don't know how to say it, but it sounds like a lot of people on diybio are total fucking idiots | 20:25 |
| drazak | general rule is no politics | 20:25 |
| drazak | 85% of them | 20:25 |
| drazak | meredith, whomever that is,knows shit | 20:25 |
| kanzure | drazak: have you noticed anything about the biologists in your lab? | 20:27 |
| kanzure | like, something pathological? | 20:27 |
| drazak | well | 20:31 |
| drazak | it's hard to tell | 20:31 |
| drazak | 3 of them don't speak english well | 20:31 |
| drazak | which leaves me and one other guy | 20:31 |
| drazak | and he's kinda weird, like me | 20:31 |
| kanzure | that's not a very large lab | 20:31 |
| drazak | nope | 20:31 |
| drazak | it's 5 of us | 20:31 |
| drazak | in the other labs all the english speakers are techs, and don't give two shits | 20:33 |
| drazak | :s | 20:33 |
| ybit | i | 20:37 |
| ybit | 'm a little late to the party | 20:37 |
| ybit | but this is funny imho: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/ep009.jpg | 20:37 |
| drazak | LOL STALMAN | 20:38 |
| drazak | I mean uh | 20:38 |
| kanzure | ybit: steve's brother joe publishes that | 20:39 |
| drazak | kanzure: I dunno, the other native english speaker is an MD/PHD student, so he's allowed to be weird | 20:39 |
| kanzure | no, i'm not talking about weirdness | 20:39 |
| drazak | kanzure: describe better what you mean? | 20:39 |
| kanzure | i'm talking about this total cluelessness about computers and technology | 20:39 |
| ybit | steve richfield? | 20:39 |
| kanzure | ybit: steve rayhawk | 20:40 |
| drazak | oh | 20:40 |
| drazak | definitely not | 20:40 |
| drazak | they know where their towels are | 20:40 |
| drazak | completely | 20:40 |
| kanzure | people on diybio don't even seem to know what the fuck email is | 20:40 |
| drazak | yup | 20:40 |
| drazak | and they all say they're programmers learning biology or biologists learning computers | 20:40 |
| drazak | lolwat | 20:40 |
| ybit | 20:24 < kanzure> so can someone tell me why we haven't split off yet from diybio and all these other groups? | 20:42 |
| ybit | diyh+? | 20:42 |
| drazak | more like cluefulbiopeople | 20:42 |
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| * ybit pulls an esr... | 20:43 | |
| ybit | or diysci | 20:43 |
| kanzure | ybit: unfortunately that was invaded by poets | 20:43 |
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| ybit | these poets only showed up in the last email | 20:43 |
| ybit | aside from my mine | 20:44 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:44 |
| kanzure | no, they were all about "dancing on fluffy wings of bullshit" or something | 20:44 |
| drazak | rofl | 20:44 |
| ybit | i'm guessing you were referrign to paul and patrick | 20:44 |
| kanzure | sigh | 20:44 |
| ybit | o.O didn't see that one | 20:45 |
| kanzure | yes i think it was probably patrick | 20:45 |
| drazak | the thing is | 20:45 |
| drazak | diybio is all like | 20:45 |
| drazak | LOLZ LETS REINVENT THE WHEEL! | 20:45 |
| drazak | WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING, SO LETS REINVENT IT | 20:45 |
| kanzure | i think that the problem is their assumption that it has to be easy immediately | 20:46 |
| kanzure | our job is to make it easier, that's true, but it doesn't just start off being ridiculous | 20:47 |
| kanzure | the backend is made, and then the frontend is the simple display stuff | 20:47 |
| kanzure | but until that point, you can't water things down | 20:47 |
| drazak | yeah | 20:48 |
| drazak | and people don't know shit about biology | 20:48 |
| ybit | http://groups.google.com/group/diysci join or flame it if you want but stop complaining, grrr | 20:51 |
| drazak | rofl | 20:51 |
| drazak | ybit: are you heath matlock? | 20:52 |
| ybit | yeah | 20:52 |
| drazak | figured | 20:52 |
| kanzure | fuck | 20:52 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with you? | 20:52 |
| ybit | hehe | 20:52 |
| fenn | bad ybit, bad! | 20:52 |
| * ybit was waiting on it :) | 20:52 | |
| drazak | taking initiative? bad! | 20:52 |
| kanzure | no, that's not initiative | 20:53 |
| kanzure | it's yet-another-group with nothing behind it | 20:53 |
| drazak | kanzure needs more email groups | 20:53 |
| kanzure | do i? | 20:53 |
| ybit | true that | 20:53 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html | 20:53 |
| kanzure | fuck you all | 20:53 |
| kanzure | you people suck at mailing lists :p | 20:53 |
| drazak | I've seen that before | 20:53 |
| ybit | no fuck you and you're top-posting hating madness ;) | 20:53 |
| ybit | your* | 20:53 |
| drazak | I don't even fucking know what top-posting is | 20:54 |
| ybit | o.O | 20:54 |
| kanzure | drazak: it's where people do some stupid email formatting and make it hard to follow | 20:54 |
| ybit | you have been banned from the mailing list drazak ;) | 20:54 |
| drazak | ha-ha | 20:54 |
| kanzure | ybit: maybe you should work on skdb instead of making yet another mailing list | 20:54 |
| ybit | kanzure: this is more of a joke | 20:54 |
| ybit | speaking of skdb... time to go install me occ on this debian sys | 20:55 |
| drazak | yeah, I mean, read the home page | 20:55 |
| kanzure | ybit: i suggest following the instructions on the dokuwiki installation on adl.serveftp.org | 20:56 |
| * ybit sees no instructions on http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/occ | 20:56 | |
| drazak | woohoo I have 293B's expressing an non-replicating adenovirus for mef2c! | 20:56 |
| kanzure | ybit: try the pythonocc page :) | 20:57 |
| ybit | you ricer you, choosing unstable packages | 20:58 |
| ybit | i'll have to upgrade to unstable it looks like | 20:58 |
| kanzure | you won't have to "upgrade" per se | 21:00 |
| kanzure | just change the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file a bit | 21:00 |
| ybit | right | 21:00 |
| kanzure | have you run a debian box before? | 21:00 |
| ybit | don't forget, i've used ubuntu once before | 21:00 |
| kanzure | once? | 21:00 |
| ybit | okay, several times | 21:01 |
| ybit | but this pinning thing is new to me, i kind of like it | 21:03 |
| ybit | while dist-upgrade takes its precious time, think i'll call it a night since i don't have adrafanil just yet to keep me fully awake throughout the day | 21:06 |
| fenn | pinning? | 21:06 |
| ybit | fenn: /etc/apt/preferences | 21:06 |
| fenn | i dont think i've ever looked at that file | 21:06 |
| ybit | fenn: http://pastebin.ca/1567822 | 21:06 |
| fenn | actually it doesn't exist | 21:06 |
| kanzure | that's a good reason to have never looked at it | 21:07 |
| ybit | i had to create mine as well | 21:07 |
| ybit | and i'm hopefully about to pass out on the bed behind me, gn | 21:08 |
| fenn | sounds like a pla | 21:08 |
| fenn | ...n | 21:09 |
| kanzure | fail | 21:09 |
| fenn | i'm going to bed too. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | uberfail | 21:09 |
| fenn | your transcript is missing what anyone besides rothemund said | 21:10 |
| fenn | it's sort of confusing | 21:10 |
| kanzure | it doesn't indicate what they said | 21:10 |
| kanzure | er, distinguish | 21:10 |
| drazak | link the transcript again pl0x | 21:11 |
| fenn | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2009-09-15-rothemund-utexas.html | 21:12 |
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| kanzure | i also took another transcript today | 21:15 |
| kanzure | this presentation was from a guy from Schlumberger | 21:15 |
| drazak | your spelling sucks | 21:16 |
| kanzure | he talks fast | 21:17 |
| drazak | type faster | 21:17 |
| kanzure | 120wpm not fast enough for you? | 21:17 |
| drazak | faster damnit! :) | 21:18 |
| kanzure | :) | 21:18 |
| kanzure | and here's the transcript from the schlumberger speaker: http://heybryan.org/school/me136n/2009-09-15.html | 21:18 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 2c295fe /tests/ (test_units.py test_yamlcrap.py tests.py): cleaned up unit tests | 21:26 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r db2d6aa /tests/test_units.py: added some tests for ranges of different and multiple units | 21:26 |
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| genehacker | WTF | 22:22 |
| genehacker | you can mold metal with magnetic fields | 22:22 |
| genehacker | http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9802/Li/Li-9802.html#ToC4 | 22:22 |
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