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| genehacker2 | that diybio post of yours was confusing | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | python wrappers to openmodelica would be nice | 00:18 |
| kanzure | redoing pydaylight would also be neat | 00:20 |
| kanzure | does anyone want anything from this list? | 01:11 |
| kanzure | http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7388/referencefolder.png | 01:11 |
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| genehacker2 | yeah sure | 01:16 |
| genehacker2 | why? | 01:17 |
| genehacker2 | foundations or neural | 01:17 |
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| drazak | /n | 06:23 |
| kanzure | hm apparently the IUPAC alphabets have nothing to do with IUPAC :( | 07:29 |
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| kanzure | the scilab module in enthought supports units, but i can't find any examples | 07:32 |
| kanzure | the brick interface here seems stupid: http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_bricks.html | 07:37 |
| kanzure | just strings instead of pointers to the actual objects themselves? | 07:38 |
| kanzure | showcase: http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_animations_screenshots.html | 07:40 |
| kanzure | yes those are legos behind the python.. sort of. | 07:40 |
| kanzure | pym and libermate apparently convert from matlab to python. | 07:41 |
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| kanzure | huh, jmodelica doesn't have anything to do with java? | 09:41 |
| kanzure | yummy: https://svn.jmodelica.org/trunk/Python/src/jmodelica/examples/pendulum.py | 09:46 |
| kanzure | ew inline compiling | 09:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: ever consider wrapping GNU units with python ctypes? | 09:55 |
| kanzure | is my understanding correct? with jmodelica's python module, what they are doing is compiling modelica models into a shared library, then importing that into python via ctypes? | 09:59 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://twobits.net/pub/Kelty-TwoBits.pdf | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://jpype.sourceforge.net/ "JPype is an effort to allow python programs full access to java class libraries. This is achieved not through re-implementing Python, as Jython/JPython has done, but rather through interfacing at the native level in both Virtual Machines." | 10:59 |
| kanzure | if only we had that for .NET :( | 10:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb/wishlist | 11:16 |
| kanzure | there you go i guess? | 11:16 |
| fenn | fab-at-home? wtf | 11:16 |
| fenn | no, that's not really what i meant, but thanks anyway | 11:17 |
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| fenn | well i finally figured out what interesting event was happening today in the ECJ building, and it wasn't in the building at all - on the plaza outside instead | 13:14 |
| fenn | ieee 125th birthday party with cancer-inducing blue frosted birthday cake | 13:14 |
| kanzure | isn't it pizza day? | 13:14 |
| * fenn goes to get some water and try to dilute the toxins | 13:15 | |
| genehacker | Yes | 13:19 |
| genehacker | where's the cake? | 13:19 |
| fenn | on the plaza | 13:20 |
| fenn | next to the bridge | 13:20 |
| fenn | how come they never have "yummy vegan food for engineers who dont know better day" | 13:20 |
| genehacker | usually they have vegan options | 13:21 |
| fenn | yeah, i guess that cake was technically vegan | 13:21 |
| genehacker | you just have to adjust the settings | 13:21 |
| fenn | if you consider petroleum vegan | 13:21 |
| fenn | it's made from dinosaurs.. | 13:21 |
| fenn | but there was no opression involved so i guess it's ok | 13:21 |
| genehacker | ??? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | what am i doing here again? didn't i do this two years ago? http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2007-11-02.html | 13:25 |
| kanzure | fuck same pages out of the book | 13:26 |
| fenn | i just had an awesome idea!!111 | 13:27 |
| kanzure | ? | 13:27 |
| fenn | ok you use a blu-ray disk as a spin coater, and spread photo protected nucleotides evenly over the cd | 13:27 |
| fenn | then use the blu-ray diode to activate selected areas | 13:27 |
| kanzure | um | 13:27 |
| kanzure | is that the right wavelength for the photo labile protecting groups? | 13:27 |
| fenn | 405nm, i have no idea | 13:28 |
| kanzure | depends on the chemistry in use | 13:28 |
| kanzure | there's a variety of different photolabile groups apparently | 13:28 |
| kanzure | though i don't have a list or relative comparison paper | 13:28 |
| kanzure | npocc would be the effective search term here | 13:28 |
| fenn | The use of the protecting group or the nucleoside derivative according to the invention advantageously permits the use of particularly long-waved light in the light-controlled synthesis of oligonucleotides or nucleic acid chips. In thisconnection, wavelengths above 380 nm, preferably above 390 nm and more preferably above 400 nm are preferred. | 13:29 |
| kanzure | you're reading a patent? | 13:29 |
| kanzure | wtf has happened to you? | 13:29 |
| fenn | well anyway, it's possible | 13:30 |
| fenn | MeNPOC (α-methyl nitropiperonyloxycarbonyl) protecting group | 13:30 |
| fenn | how is there a patent on this in 2008? | 13:31 |
| genehacker | it's 405 nm | 13:31 |
| genehacker | it's not the photolabile groups you have problems with | 13:32 |
| fenn | what is "it" that is 405nm? | 13:32 |
| genehacker | it's the protecting groups needed protect certain parts of the nucleoside so you can put the photolabile group on | 13:33 |
| genehacker | bluray uses a 405 nm laser | 13:33 |
| fenn | so you're saying the synthesis is difficult | 13:33 |
| fenn | (which i sort of expected) | 13:34 |
| genehacker | getting the protecting groups is | 13:34 |
| fenn | what do you mean 'getting' them? | 13:34 |
| genehacker | but the protecting groups might be recyclable | 13:34 |
| genehacker | making/buying | 13:34 |
| fenn | obtaining the chemicals? | 13:34 |
| genehacker | though I've only figured out the pyrimidines | 13:34 |
| genehacker | not the purines | 13:35 |
| genehacker | but I don't know | 13:35 |
| genehacker | just the C-T part | 13:35 |
| genehacker | which is described in notes.txt | 13:36 |
| genehacker | I don't know about difficult | 13:36 |
| genehacker | I'll have to write down all the reaction pathways | 13:37 |
| genehacker | for the ones I've figured out so far | 13:37 |
| genehacker | so find out how to do the purines | 13:40 |
| genehacker | http://opus.ub.uni-bayreuth.de/volltexte/2008/461/ | 13:48 |
| genehacker | helpful paper here | 13:48 |
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| drazak | kanzure: man do people not know how to read? | 15:49 |
| drazak | kanzure: one person got what I was saying | 15:49 |
| drazak | which was: instead of making a vacuum mold, just make tupperwear do what you need | 15:50 |
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| kanzure | any ideas as to what the environment variable RMLHOME is? or what "rmlc" is? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | yummy: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/mouse_electroporation_piezoelectric_gas_igniter.pdf | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | ah mmc is found here: https://openmodelica.ida.liu.se/svn/MetaModelica/trunk | 17:31 |
| kanzure | hm wonder where antlr.Tool is found | 17:52 |
| kanzure | apparently it wasn't in the 'antlr' or 'libantlr-dev' package | 17:52 |
| kanzure | and my /usr/share/java/antlr.jar exists | 17:52 |
| kanzure | for whatever it's worth here's my partial install notes on openmodelica. i can't get past that antlr.Tool error. http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-openmodelica | 17:56 |
| kanzure | ttp://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jcline/laboratory | 17:58 |
| kanzure | -robots-tecan/Robotics-0.22beta/lib/Robotics/Tecan/Genesis.pm?revision=70&view= | 17:58 |
| kanzure | markup | 17:58 |
| kanzure | er | 17:59 |
| kanzure | http://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jcline/laboratory-robots-tecan/Robotics-0.22beta/lib/Robotics/Tecan/Genesis.pm?revision=70&view=markup | 17:59 |
| kanzure | heh i like the current picture on utexas.edu | 18:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.utexas.edu/ | 18:01 |
| kanzure | wonder if they were already wearing orange robes? | 18:02 |
| kanzure | svn co https://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jcline jcline | 18:10 |
| kanzure | he has some web scrapers in there too, although they look rather simple | 18:10 |
| kanzure | looks like he has a shell script for each major journal hoster and just wants to fetch pdfs from their individual pages | 18:10 |
| kanzure | instead of massive kill-them-all-with-fire scrapes | 18:10 |
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| * bkero scrape scrape | 18:22 | |
| wrldpc2 | kanzure the book came back return to sender | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | wrldpc2: uhhh | 18:40 |
| any28502122 | weather | 18:41 |
| kanzure | let me double check on the address | 18:41 |
| drazak | what book? | 18:41 |
| kanzure | pretty sure i got it right | 18:41 |
| kanzure | i know my mom's address :) | 18:41 |
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| wrldpc2 | well i think she may have sent it back because I used an anagram of your name for the Send To: LOL!!! | 18:53 |
| wrldpc2 | "Rabbi Syphon" | 18:53 |
| wrldpc2 | She was probably like "who the fuck ... ?" and sent it back RTS | 18:53 |
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| ybit | http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7388/referencefolder.png looks like a typical grouping of books from some torrent | 19:46 |
| ybit | interesting.. "PyDaylight is an object-oriented wrapper for Python to the Daylight toolkit. PyDaylight adds classes, exceptions, and iterators to simplify the rapid development of new chemical analysis programs. " | 19:48 |
| ybit | ty kanzure for mentiong open-modelica as well | 19:50 |
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| ybit | hey you other people.. eugen:"What's the wget incantation?" | 21:05 |
| ybit | what's he talking about? | 21:05 |
| ybit | i was thinking rsync [options] blah | 21:06 |
| drazak | wget | 21:06 |
| ybit | i know what it is silly | 21:06 |
| drazak | well what I mean is | 21:06 |
| drazak | wtf does it mean | 21:06 |
| ybit | :P | 21:06 |
| drazak | kardan: what's the link to your mailing lists again? | 21:06 |
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| ybit | drazak: windows or linux? | 21:06 |
| ybit | which do you use | 21:06 |
| drazak | er | 21:07 |
| drazak | fucker | 21:07 |
| drazak | kanzure: what's the link to your mailing lists (aka the ones you're subscribed to) | 21:07 |
| drazak | ybit: linux | 21:07 |
| ybit | you are asking what wget is right? | 21:07 |
| ybit | http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/ | 21:07 |
| drazak | nope | 21:07 |
| ybit | oh | 21:07 |
| drazak | I'm not asking what it is | 21:07 |
| drazak | I'm saying what does that question mean | 21:07 |
| ybit | http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html | 21:08 |
| ybit | it's the for the rsync mirrors of interesting content | 21:08 |
| ybit | related to diyh+ | 21:08 |
| ybit | papers,books, possibbly sites and videos | 21:09 |
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| ybit | There was a fellow in | 21:26 |
| ybit | #wrongplanet that underwent some surgery to get a tube sticking out of | 21:26 |
| ybit | his abdomen or chest to get food into his system. Not sure how much | 21:26 |
| ybit | these operations cost, or how much the food-slop costs that he's now | 21:26 |
| ybit | eating all the time. | 21:26 |
| * ybit could ask my mum or granfather the costs of such things since gramps is on this stuff now | 21:26 | |
| ybit | nobody probably cares though :) | 21:26 |
| genehacker2 | huh? | 21:27 |
| ybit | genehacker2: don't worry about it | 21:27 |
| genehacker2 | you mean he can eat without having to eat? | 21:27 |
| genehacker2 | was this for medical reasons or for upgrade reasons? | 21:27 |
| genehacker2 | I'd like an intravenous feed so I'd never have to eat again | 21:28 |
| ybit | Long-term, in vivo incremental/gradual scans might become available, | 21:28 |
| ybit | using swarms of nanoagents who migrate into the CNS and record in | 21:28 |
| ybit | situ. | 21:28 |
| genehacker2 | ok cool, but how do you make the nanoagents | 21:29 |
| ybit | how do you make this transistion though, you still have biolobical parts functioning... | 21:29 |
| ybit | genehacker2: i was hoping you could tell me :) | 21:29 |
| genehacker2 | and how do you make 'em move and talk | 21:29 |
| genehacker2 | well there's bulk micromachining | 21:30 |
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| genehacker2 | but it's bulk micromachinging, so you'd need to scale it up | 21:30 |
| genehacker2 | maybe use small picnic table sized wafers the semiconductor industry is working on | 21:31 |
| genehacker2 | problem is making 3d stuff | 21:31 |
| genehacker2 | though getting them to move and talk is more of an issue | 21:32 |
| ybit | geez, the rate of replies is too fast, hows about you keep the reply-rate low for people who have to work with no internet access ;) :( <-re;DIY DNA synthesis and nanoscale structures | 21:32 |
| ybit | genehacker2: don't stop, keep going | 21:33 |
| genehacker2 | oh dear | 21:33 |
| ybit | you were fixing to propose some method for communication between these 'agents' | 21:33 |
| genehacker2 | guess I'm running at 5 seconds per seconds | 21:33 |
| genehacker2 | ybit you do know I'm not human right? | 21:33 |
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| ybit | "Procedural CAD using Python bindings to Open Cascade" http://groups.google.com/group/diykeyboard/browse_thread/thread/79767bd8defe79d8 | 21:34 |
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| genehacker2 | communication method I have no idea | 21:35 |
| ybit | genehacker2: you are like the bunny from rainbows end, right? except you happen to be using a defunct os :P | 21:35 |
| genehacker2 | hehehehehe | 21:35 |
| genehacker2 | maybe it was to deceive you | 21:36 |
| ybit | argh, i need my neorunner asap so i can read ebooks or whatnot while free @ work | 21:36 |
| genehacker2 | well communication is hard on that scale | 21:36 |
| genehacker2 | not just the algorithms but sending a signal | 21:37 |
| ybit | oh, boo, the occ thread above is lame | 21:37 |
| genehacker2 | that technology is quite far off | 21:37 |
| kanzure | that link sucks ybit | 21:37 |
| ybit | kanzure: indeed | 21:37 |
| ybit | it's not just lame, it's fail? | 21:37 |
| * ybit nods yes | 21:37 | |
| ybit | thought it was something to do with keyboard bindings with occ, oh well | 21:38 |
| kanzure | skdb has some keyboard bindings in paths.py | 21:39 |
| genehacker2 | have you gotten skdb to automatically design stuff yet | 21:40 |
| kanzure | it depends on what you're asking | 21:40 |
| kanzure | i mean, technically, we can make it randomly add bricks together | 21:40 |
| kanzure | and we can make it add other parts together | 21:40 |
| kanzure | but is that useful? | 21:40 |
| genehacker2 | any part I through at you? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | imho i think the 'download a piece of hardware' thing is cooler | 21:41 |
| kanzure | yeah you can add a part to skdb if you want | 21:41 |
| kanzure | we can walk you through it | 21:41 |
| genehacker2 | cool | 21:41 |
| genehacker2 | It's a puzzle | 21:41 |
| kanzure | you're a puzzle | 21:41 |
| genehacker2 | a puzzle for skdb to solve | 21:42 |
| genehacker2 | downloading a piece of hardware is cool | 21:42 |
| genehacker2 | when you have hardware to download | 21:42 |
| genehacker2 | sorry I'm in business mode, just got back from i2p rapid | 21:44 |
| ybit | btw, what's with all this reprap isn't the final end to all ends or something | 21:44 |
| genehacker2 | it isn't | 21:44 |
| ybit | genehacker2, you were saying you were just realizing this | 21:44 |
| genehacker2 | it can't make itself yet | 21:45 |
| ybit | but with mendal it is supposed to be able to create it's own parts | 21:45 |
| ybit | because of the metal extrustion head thingie | 21:45 |
| ybit | s/extrustion/extrusion | 21:45 |
| genehacker2 | current goal seems to be make mendel cheap | 21:45 |
| genehacker2 | forget about replication make it cheap | 21:45 |
| genehacker2 | I want total replication | 21:46 |
| ybit | and mendal can't do this? (i haven't looked yet) | 21:46 |
| genehacker2 | reprap can also only make stuff out of plastic | 21:46 |
| genehacker2 | the surface finish sucks | 21:46 |
| genehacker2 | if they can improve the surface finish, it might be possible to do high quality investment casting | 21:47 |
| genehacker2 | if you're willing to have a foundary in your backyard and most importantly if your neighbors are | 21:48 |
| ybit | fsck the neighbors | 21:52 |
| ybit | the go-ahead to restore a house for myself was given sometime yesterday :P | 21:52 |
| * ybit plans on decking it out in diytech | 21:53 | |
| ybit | and there's a nice level lot to go along with it which makes for a nice place to build a garage lab | 21:53 |
| genehacker2 | so here in [redacted] an investment casting company might get shut down becuase people worried about the nasty fumes from investment casting | 21:54 |
| genehacker2 | happens to be near a neighborhood | 21:54 |
| ybit | hmm | 21:55 |
| genehacker2 | really, how are we going to make steel in our backyards? | 21:55 |
| ybit | build a furnace?.. | 21:55 |
| genehacker2 | it's a bit more complicated than that | 21:55 |
| ybit | sure sure | 21:55 |
| genehacker2 | steel is something you really need to scale up to be cheap | 21:55 |
| ybit | my dad and i are considering the farm for this type of stuff | 21:56 |
| genehacker2 | yeah you need a farm but then | 21:56 |
| genehacker2 | you aren't going to be making I-beams for that warehouse of yours | 21:57 |
| ybit | fsck the warehouse :( | 21:57 |
| genehacker2 | taht you want to build because this is ahypothetical situation | 21:57 |
| ybit | it's going to be scalled down to just metal working and electronic/lab thingie in my sideyard | 21:57 |
| ybit | scaled* | 21:57 |
| genehacker2 | unless there's some new way to make steel or what not | 21:58 |
| ybit | or metal @ farm and electronicFab @ garage, dunno | 21:58 |
| ybit | yeah, because there's always new ways being invented :P | 21:59 |
| genehacker2 | not really | 21:59 |
| ybit | thus the silly emot | 21:59 |
| * ybit loves the confusion of text | 21:59 | |
| ybit | s/loves/enjoys | 22:00 |
| genehacker2 | unless there's someway to grow something as strong as steel or we can get molecular manufacturing to work | 22:00 |
| ybit | "molecular manufacturing to work" one day | 22:00 |
| ybit | nanoengineer + skdb ftw? | 22:00 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 22:01 |
| genehacker2 | some biocatalyst that makes carbon-nanotubes would be nice | 22:01 |
| genehacker2 | hmmm... | 22:02 |
| genehacker2 | maybe there's a way around steel | 22:02 |
| genehacker2 | grow stuff which you turn into composites | 22:03 |
| ybit | off to bed... on the bright side i get to test out adrafinil tomorrow | 22:07 |
| ybit | 22:03 < genehacker2> grow stuff which you turn into composites | 22:07 |
| ybit | that is an interesting thought | 22:07 |
| ybit | btw, olmifon has a braile writing on the front box which is neat | 22:08 |
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| kanzure | hello glytch_afk | 22:58 |
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