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| kanzure | huh where did this come from? | 09:48 |
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| kanzure | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Manufacturing_automation | 09:48 |
| kanzure | "The following content is mirrored from the Hplusroadmap Wiki." | 09:48 |
| kanzure | oh | 09:48 |
| kanzure | well i guess that explains it | 09:48 |
| kanzure | another one showing up in my search results: heybryan.org/.../2008-12-01_Bryan_Bishop_ADL_mega-super-awesome_presentation.pptx | 09:50 |
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| kanzure | fenn: if a "function" in a function structure is compared to a part that has a greater or smaller range on acceptable units for activity on a port, what should happen? | 10:32 |
| kanzure | i think i may prefer to call a "function from a function structure" a "ghost" because it's kinda like having an actual part except you don't, it's more like the outlines of a part | 10:32 |
| kanzure | if the ranges on acceptable units are exactly the same, then a part may replace that ghost | 10:33 |
| kanzure | but in many cases that will not be so | 10:33 |
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| kanzure | guess there could be an extra attribute that says in which direction changes are allowed (if any) on the magnitude | 10:39 |
| genehacker | heheheh | 10:39 |
| kanzure | i.e., "this pipe accepts 40..50psi, locked" | 10:39 |
| kanzure | er, I guess you can say "the minimum is locked, the maximum is locked" | 10:40 |
| genehacker | you might put safety factor too | 10:40 |
| kanzure | if you don't have these "locks", you could end up with drift.. because there may be "overlapping ranges" between mating parts | 10:41 |
| genehacker | makes sense | 10:42 |
| kanzure | i.e., if you say "this part will output 50 to 60 psi, " you might connect it to something that takes input of 20 to 100 psi. but the output of this second part might be "20 to 100 psi" too (or something totally different), so you end up with these values that are "drifting" | 10:42 |
| genehacker | ok | 10:43 |
| kanzure | has this ever happened to you when you were designing something? | 10:44 |
| genehacker | I don't see what you mean | 10:44 |
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| genehacker | but generally if something outputs 50 psi, it doesn't hook up to 20 psi pipe | 10:44 |
| kanzure | well there are some devices that operate over a range of acceptable units right? | 10:45 |
| genehacker | generally you design the whole thing to be 50 psi if it outputs 50 psi | 10:45 |
| kanzure | oh? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | does anyone ever design it to do otherwise? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | like, have it internally operate at 100 psi | 10:46 |
| kanzure | even though the input to the whole system is 50 | 10:46 |
| kanzure | and the output is 50? | 10:46 |
| genehacker | yeah if it's a pressure amplifier | 10:46 |
| genehacker | where you're hooking up a pump to a pump to pump a pump | 10:47 |
| genehacker | then again I haven't designed that much | 10:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: i guess this is more of a question of whether or not two Range objects are equal. Range(1,20)==Range(5,15) should be False, but that doesn't mean that an item within the first range is necessarily incompatible in the second range | 10:47 |
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| kanzure | here are the possibilities i can imagine: | 11:17 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/range-combos.txt | 11:17 |
| kanzure | i guess you can specify ranges like this: >50..<70psi. this means, "a compatible range will be greater than 50 and less than 70 psi". | 11:37 |
| kanzure | or does compatibility of ranges change depending on context? | 11:37 |
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| kardan | hi what happened to http://heybryan.org/mailman/listinfo/hplusroadmap ? | 12:02 |
| kardan | "Biohack has a problem" http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap | 12:03 |
| kardan | 404 http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/ | 12:03 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols | 12:29 |
| kanzure | kardan: the mysql db is on another machine | 12:29 |
| kanzure | and mysqld isn't up. one moment. | 12:29 |
| kardan | crap | 12:30 |
| kanzure | ok there's no mysql db anyway | 12:30 |
| kanzure | sorry :( | 12:30 |
| kardan | what shall I do with symbols? | 12:30 |
| kardan | its not urgent, just looked over the list of mailing lists | 12:30 |
| fenn | kanzure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics | 12:32 |
| kanzure | what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics | 12:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.decodeunicode.org/en/mathematical_alphanumeric_symbols | 12:34 |
| fenn | with some data like "typical" and "feasible" range, typical = width of asymmetric gaussian distribution at 1 std deviation; feasible = width at n(=2?) std deviations | 12:42 |
| fenn | a lot of machined geometrical precision distributions take the form of a trapezoid | 12:43 |
| kardan | jep saw that, is that for me? (I see no connection) | 12:44 |
| ybit | first day results of 600mg of adrafanil, kicks in slowly but when it does, surprise, it's just like modafinil | 12:44 |
| fenn | what is modafinil like? | 12:46 |
| bkero | It's like caffeine, but without all the shakes. | 12:47 |
| fenn | please humor me, i don't know what caffeine does | 12:49 |
| ybit | it makes you work faster | 12:51 |
| ybit | you can recall items much faster as well | 12:51 |
| ybit | but unlike caffeine i'm not shaking all over | 12:51 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/uncertainfuture/index3.svg | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/campbell/presentations/detc2007_manasi_1.0.pptx | 13:26 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/PAR_18Sept09.zip | 13:43 |
| fenn | it's (almost) a tarbomb.. leaves .sql and .doc file in current dir | 13:44 |
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| kanzure | Rama Bindiganavale | 13:51 |
| kanzure | maybe jan will understand me if i ask for 'actionary-to-language' (she gave me 'language to actionary' sort of) | 14:49 |
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| kanzure | a lot of really nice meshing papers: | 15:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.ann.jussieu.fr/~frey/papers/meshing/ | 15:06 |
| kanzure | hm maybe redefining MAX_INT as 0 is a bad idea | 15:50 |
| ybit | i still can't really stand my boss, but i did get to operate a drill press and miller today | 16:05 |
| ybit | and apparently we are going to convert to pick-up trucks to electric | 16:06 |
| ybit | </brag> | 16:06 |
| bkero | Hooray | 16:11 |
| bkero | Heavy things work great as electric | 16:11 |
| ybit | :P | 16:11 |
| ybit | they are small pick-up trucks | 16:11 |
| bkero | Just ask all those brilliant Ohio State University students that made a hybrid hummer | 16:11 |
| ybit | btw bkero, i've taken your suggestion up, one of the welding projects is an electric bike now | 16:11 |
| ybit | diff in adrafanil and modafanil, at leat in day one, adrafanil wears off and you have to take a higher dosage | 16:14 |
| ybit | i'm taken 600mg of adrafanil today and it has worn off ~8 hours later | 16:14 |
| ybit | s/i'm/i've | 16:14 |
| kanzure | so i've got the system generating solutions to "pddl" problems but now i'm not sure what i'm supposed to do with this "solution" | 16:17 |
| kanzure | hmph. there are a lot of 'sentence planners' out there, it turns out, | 16:24 |
| kanzure | and when i look at pddl definition files it doesn't look that far off from PAR | 16:24 |
| kanzure | so anyway, the trick now is figuring out how to get at least one of these to run | 16:24 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/sentence-planning.txt | 16:43 |
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| drazak | bkero: you mean 0-60 in an hour? | 17:21 |
| bkero | drazak: Nope. It'll never get to 60, the batteries will wear out by the time it hits 35. | 17:22 |
| drazak | rofl | 17:22 |
| drazak | I'm eating mediterranean pastries while my rna spins | 17:22 |
| drazak | this lab=win | 17:22 |
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| * fenn notes that sarcasm doesn't travel well through the tubes | 18:01 | |
| drazak | man do I have a fuckton of textbooks | 18:02 |
| fenn | burn them! burn them all! | 18:04 |
| drazak | College Physics by Serway and Faughns | 18:04 |
| kanzure | that book sucked | 18:06 |
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| ybit | 17:21 < drazak> bkero: you mean 0-60 in an hour? | 18:31 |
| ybit | 17:22 < bkero> drazak: Nope. It'll never get to 60, the batteries will wear out by the time it hits 35. | 18:31 |
| ybit | what are we talking about? | 18:31 |
| bkero | electric Hummer | 18:32 |
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| kanzure | http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Distributions.html | 18:55 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ybit, what about the opposite assistive technology: that to cause/mandate sleep at a designated time? | 19:09 |
| fenn | what does cran stand for? | 19:24 |
| fenn | oh. comprehensive R archive network | 19:24 |
| fenn | perl jocks | 19:24 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: http://filebin.ca/zdfqvn/cognitive_enhancement_methods_ethics_and_regulatory_challenges.pdf | 19:25 |
| ybit | warning, bostrom, but it has a general overview of using modafinil for alertness | 19:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i understand alertness, that' snot what i asked bout | 19:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | err | 19:26 |
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| katsmeow-afk | my paws are sore | 19:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | wow, lotsa data | 19:30 |
| bkero | paws? | 19:30 |
| ybit | bkero: she's a cat | 19:30 |
| bkero | I see. | 19:30 |
| bkero | That's frightening. | 19:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | meow | 19:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am cognitively enhanced, but still have original equipment paws | 19:31 |
| ybit | aww, bkero, you're scaring the poor kitty | 19:31 |
| bkero | aineko | 19:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | si | 19:31 |
| ybit | who's seen the aptera electric car? | 19:31 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_2_Series | 19:31 |
| ybit | i just discovered it looking up cars to model mine after | 19:32 |
| ybit | it was ted 2k9 | 19:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | i just ran out of "resources" , and winxp killed that adobe session | 19:32 |
| ybit | so kill winxp? | 19:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | thinking baout it | 19:33 |
| drazak | kanzure: nothing I can do, it's the phsyics book we use, I'd like one with more calculus | 19:36 |
| fenn | is aptera in production yet? | 19:36 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: ubuntu is your friend | 19:37 |
| ybit | at least until you upgrade and break everything, then debian becomes your new best friend | 19:38 |
| ybit | until you realize you hate having missing packages and your computer is fast enough to run gentoo :P | 19:38 |
| fenn | debian doesn't have missing packages | 19:39 |
| ybit | s/packages/build conditions | 19:39 |
| ybit | libs, flags, whatever you want to call it | 19:39 |
| ybit | or just come to the fina realization that you don't mind building programs from source every now and then and stick with debian | 19:40 |
| ybit | from source +manually | 19:40 |
| ybit | and there's also the coming binary apocalypse to worry about | 19:43 |
| ybit | so gentoo might be something to not easily discard :) | 19:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | nah, i want a free xp clone that takes care of itself | 19:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have enough hobbies, i don't need th eOSitself tobe anothe one | 19:44 |
| bkero | So install ubuntu and be done with it. :) | 19:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | odd how cement dries and tightenes the skin | 19:44 |
| bkero | I just installed the newest 9.10 image. It installed in 4 minutes, 26 seconds. | 19:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | having weather here again tonite, like last nite : http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=BMX®ion=c4&lat=33.51913834&lon=-86.80933380&label=Birmingham%2c%20AL | 19:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's coming for you, ybit | 19:45 |
| ybit | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/04/vixta-a-fedora-linux-based-windows-vista-clone/ pretty (kde) vista clone linux distro | 19:45 |
| ybit | yeah, i noticed it while jogging awhile ago | 19:45 |
| ybit | or maybe http://www.linux-xp.com/ is something you might be interested in | 19:47 |
| ybit | or not since you have to buy it o.O | 19:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, it lists no price, so i suppose not | 19:48 |
| fenn | binary apocalypse? | 19:48 |
| drazak | anyone been following the emails on diybio about purifying our own RE's? | 19:53 |
| drazak | I think it shouldn't be too hard using a histidine tagging method, however we will need to determine a method of determining purity | 19:53 |
| ybit | linux xp is freely available: ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/ | 19:53 |
| ybit | fenn: i was hoping someone would link to the comic, i can't seem to find it | 19:54 |
| fenn | the 2038 problem? | 19:56 |
| drazak | also activity tests will need to be done so that concentrations can be determined, they aren't based on actual concentration, which could be determined from A280 absorbtion, but based on enzyme activity units | 19:57 |
| ybit | fenn: no, there was a comic talking about robots and binary linux distros | 19:59 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: heading for me? i think it's you who should be taking cover, eek | 20:01 |
| * ybit lies flat on his desktop "protecting" it from power surges | 20:02 | |
| ybit | off to bed, see you in the morn strages | 20:02 |
| fenn | damn you and your robotic ambigosity | 20:04 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: don't die | 20:04 |
| ybit | yeah, damn google for not having much of a visual memory | 20:04 |
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| kanzure | "compatibility analysis" brings up campbell's paper on "component selection" | 20:14 |
| kanzure | does anyone have access to " Compatibility issues for mechanical system modelling with standard components" ? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | nevermind they allow a free one-page preview | 20:26 |
| kanzure | http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=1 | 20:26 |
| kanzure | http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=2 | 20:26 |
| kanzure | http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=3 | 20:26 |
| kanzure | etc. | 20:26 |
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| kanzure | hello ve | 20:38 |
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| kanzure | huh i just realized that one of my favorite papers ("A port ontology for conceptaul design of systems") is written by paredis | 21:28 |
| kanzure | gee good thing i didn't ask him about it in person, i might have made progress | 21:29 |
| kanzure | :( | 21:29 |
| fenn | i knew that name sounded familiar | 22:01 |
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| kanzure | hello branstrom | 23:23 |
| branstrom | hi there | 23:24 |
| branstrom | gonna watch fringe, then take a 9 hour nap | 23:25 |
| branstrom | ^^ | 23:25 |
| bkero | :( | 23:27 |
| bkero | Fringe makes me cry inside | 23:27 |
| branstrom | It's sacrilegious but fun. | 23:31 |
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