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| genehacker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls | 01:25 |
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| genehacker | this is a video of richard stallman dancing | 01:26 |
| fenn | thanks for the warning | 01:36 |
| ybit | um, i'll have to read the logs, but i gave a good spill on diyh+ and skdb at the meeting today | 01:57 |
| ybit | wouldn't be surprised if 4-6 people joined diyh+,diybio,om mailing lists and maybe came in here?..since strages mentioned that he met me on this channel and people were curious about it | 01:58 |
| ybit | the u.s. pirate party offered to help me restore my house and build the hackerspace :P | 01:59 |
| ybit | also mentioned to nykodemus there that it occured to me that most hackerspaces aren't going to be drop 4-5k on photolith machine | 02:00 |
| fenn | is diyh+ worth reading? | 02:00 |
| ybit | as say the hacker consortium has ~23 members that pay a monthly fee of $40 and if they save enough to build one of these projects, it would be hard convincing the others that they can buy parts for a machine that might work as opposed to purchasing stuff which you know will work | 02:02 |
| ybit | sure, there's a few interesting items on there | 02:02 |
| fenn | just finished "misspent youth".. crikey the book turns into a british version of Stranger in a Strange Land by the end | 02:03 |
| ybit | nykodemus: btw, i'm not sure who does the video (oh shit i was taped o.O), but please inform him if you will to keep it under my handle 'ybit' and not my real name, that could potentially be embarassing as i wasn't planning on giving a speech in the first place until i realized nobody was signed up to speak, so i figured what the hay | 02:04 |
| fenn | why potentially embarrassing? | 02:04 |
| ybit | because i was completely unpreprared and made it more of a discussion instead of a speech | 02:05 |
| fenn | sfw | 02:05 |
| ybit | there's cursing, aside from that it's sfw | 02:05 |
| fenn | meh | 02:06 |
| ybit | a lot of things i couldn't recall and with a group of people staring at me, uh, it was uh, different | 02:06 |
| fenn | yep | 02:06 |
| fenn | practice makes perfect | 02:07 |
| ybit | and i immediately realized afterward why speakers are always asking for feedback afterwards, it's because you want to know wtf everyone is thinking, did you make an ass of yourself just now, etc. | 02:07 |
| ybit | nykodemus also brought up a good point, at most hackerspaces there's not many bio peeps | 02:08 |
| fenn | i'm sort of curious how the whole security community plays into it | 02:08 |
| ybit | so much of what i said may have been chinese to them, but it was presented and relevant sites were talked about so they can get more info | 02:08 |
| ybit | fenn: go on/ | 02:08 |
| ybit | nashville's hacker consortium was there | 02:09 |
| fenn | to me it doesn't seem like there's much related material between cracking servers and fooling around with cnc machines | 02:09 |
| ybit | they are the guys who put on phreakNIC | 02:09 |
| ybit | very cool guys | 02:09 |
| ybit | swabbie_strages: you changed your name, same thing i told nykodemus, er, please put the video under my handle whoever guy it was that recorded that stuff | 02:11 |
| ybit | inform him please | 02:11 |
| fenn | don't worry mate we'll get your laminated communist party member card sent right over pronto | 02:12 |
| fenn | then you'll have a perfectly reasonable explanation for the feds | 02:13 |
| ybit | the usb authentification door has been improved | 02:16 |
| ybit | it was pretty neat | 02:16 |
| ybit | the atl group has a kickass rfid sys in place | 02:16 |
| fenn | what does it do? | 02:16 |
| fenn | gee this doesnt sound too good for british authors: "As of the publication of his tenth novel in 2004, his works had sold over two million copies worldwide, making him Britain's biggest-selling science fiction author" | 02:17 |
| fenn | pretty sure i'd never even heard of peter hamilton before a few weeks ago | 02:17 |
| ybit | fenn: for authentification/door unlocking | 02:17 |
| ybit | they have personal greeting for each person that comes through the door | 02:18 |
| fenn | spooky :) | 02:18 |
| fenn | "Commonwealth Saga explores the social effects of the almost complete elimination of the experience of death following widespread use of the rejuvenation technique described in Misspent Youth." | 02:22 |
| fenn | so those interested in this sort of thing would probably be better off reading that instead | 02:22 |
| * fenn wonders if he used enough pronouns and vagueries | 02:23 | |
| fenn | oh poo it's a new book.. i thought he had come up with all this internet stuff through extrapolation | 02:25 |
| ybit | damn those fried oreos for being so tasty | 02:25 |
| fenn | don't worry, you're not the only one with a candy habit | 02:26 |
| ybit | hehe, the phreaknic guys were talking about looking up corporate parties at restaurants and crashing the event, how to do it, etc :P | 02:27 |
| fenn | simple, wear a suit, have business cards, be cool | 02:28 |
| ybit | ..for free food | 02:28 |
| ybit | nope, jeans and t-shirts is what they wear :) | 02:28 |
| fenn | at restaurants maybe.. but that's not where the good food is? | 02:29 |
| ybit | swabbie_strages, nykodemus, did either of you write down the name of the sites they mentioned, mine's in my car i do believe and i'm too sleepy to get up from this chair, if i get up, i'm falling down on the bed behind me | 02:29 |
| ybit | they were showing some really swank restaurants | 02:30 |
| fenn | i wonder if i should sit down and learn javascript for real | 02:31 |
| fenn | it certainly seems like it's not going away | 02:32 |
| ybit | java's not going away, why not you learn that as well :P | 02:39 |
| ybit | anywho, sleep -> welding -> fix library paths/finish installing pythonOCC | 02:40 |
| ybit | before that happens, question for ya: fenn, why do you need javascript? (now i'm gone) | 02:47 |
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| fenn | well yeah i'd probably learn java as well, if it turns out they're similar enough and it won't screw me up too much | 03:14 |
| fenn | i mean it's not like i think java is cool or anything | 03:15 |
| fenn | i also want to learn chinese; it don't mean i agree with the whole fascist thing they've got going on | 03:15 |
| fenn | there's not really any subsitute for javascript unfortunately | 03:16 |
| fenn | jython/pyjamas are tooo slow | 03:17 |
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| fenn | i will probably use the hell out of pyjamas anyway | 03:17 |
| fenn | but it's always nice to know the substrate layer you're running on well enough to fix stuff | 03:18 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ( word play on "brain storm" ) | 03:55 |
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| ybit | 03:16 < fenn> there's not really any subsitute for javascript unfortunately | 08:48 |
| ybit | s/unfortunately/fortunately | 08:48 |
| kanzure | back in 2001 i tried out vbscript. seemed to suck. | 08:48 |
| kanzure | it was a way of embedding microsoft's macro language (which was sort of like visual basic) into web pages | 08:49 |
| ybit | hi kanzure | 08:50 |
| kanzure | hello ybit | 08:50 |
| ybit | fenn: you never answered my question, why might you need javascript? | 08:50 |
| kanzure | ybit: maybe he was looking at http://heybryan.org/projects/uncertainfuture/index3.svg | 08:51 |
| ybit | that uses js? | 08:51 |
| kanzure | yep. js+svg. | 08:51 |
| ybit | so why that might influence him to learn js? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | we've been talking a lot about using distributions in skdb | 08:52 |
| ybit | it can be done in any other language, i don't see the use of learning js atm | 08:52 |
| ybit | distros of? | 08:52 |
| ybit | skdb similar to debian? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | especially for expressing a likelihood of failure when certain magnitudes of certain units are present at an interface | 08:52 |
| kanzure | no, probability distributions | 08:53 |
| kanzure | fuck | 08:53 |
| kanzure | anyway, yes, i agree that it would be ineffective to do this in js | 08:53 |
| ybit | but that graphy can be d..right | 08:53 |
| kanzure | but pyjamas outputs js and other windowing systems | 08:53 |
| kanzure | so the same app you write for your gui toolkit can be displayed through a web interface | 08:54 |
| kanzure | so presumably he'd want to know the nitty gritty javascript bullshit? | 08:54 |
| kanzure | dunno | 08:54 |
| kanzure | just a guess | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i was asleep | 08:54 |
| ybit | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-June/328509.html --could have swore i saw something more promising at one time | 08:57 |
| ybit | Talking to XPCOM in Python | 08:57 |
| ybit | "The techniques for using XPCOM in Python have been borrowed from | 08:57 |
| ybit | JavaScript - thus, the model described here should be quite familiar to | 08:57 |
| ybit | existing JavaScript XPCOM programmers." | 08:57 |
| ybit | http://public.activestate.com/pyxpcom/tutorial.html | 08:57 |
| ybit | So in theory you should be able to create a python script interpreter, | 08:57 |
| ybit | at least for Mozilla. In practice you'd either need to be an expert | 08:57 |
| ybit | with the Mozilla source code, XPCOM, and Python... or you'd find | 08:57 |
| ybit | yourself becoming an expert by necessity. | 08:57 |
| kanzure | pyjs converts python code to javascript | 08:57 |
| kanzure | for instance, lists in python are converted to a new class in javascript | 08:57 |
| kanzure | so that you can have the "append" method for a list, for instance | 08:57 |
| kanzure | literally it spits out some classes and methods to pyjs.js or something | 08:58 |
| kanzure | you upload that to your server for inclusion | 08:58 |
| ybit | similar to swig, aye? so why not just use py? | 08:58 |
| kanzure | what? | 08:58 |
| kanzure | i don't know if swig does javascript | 08:58 |
| kanzure | would be surprised | 08:58 |
| ybit | it's the reverse of swig actually | 08:59 |
| ybit | er, not really | 08:59 |
| ybit | similar, there :) | 08:59 |
| kanzure | what pyjs does is look at the python classes while they are in memory and just traverses through them and spits out pre-formatted javascript | 08:59 |
| ybit | since it's more of a horizontal translation | 08:59 |
| kanzure | at least that's my understanding. didn't sound like it was anything more complicated. | 08:59 |
| kanzure | hm i can't seem to find "computational recipes" in my inbox | 09:01 |
| kanzure | wasn't there a thread called "recipe representation" on om once? | 09:01 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20070112225127/http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html | 09:01 |
| ybit | a lot of hits from grep on 'manufacturing recipes' | 09:07 |
| ybit | or just 'recipe' by itself | 09:07 |
| ybit | published in 1985 called Computational Recipes where a fellow named | 09:08 |
| ybit | "plain text cooking recipes" into computer readable interchange format | 09:08 |
| ybit | 'cooked' with more computationally literate recipes. I want both form | 09:08 |
| ybit | so i'm guessing yes there exist a thread on this :) | 09:09 |
| kanzure | got it | 09:10 |
| kanzure | that link is what i wanted btw | 09:10 |
| kanzure | still not sure i understand his notation | 09:11 |
| kanzure | for instance: *shallot, 10 g /add =reduce | 09:14 |
| kanzure | ah in the email i said it was "posix" notation, but he said "postfix" in the book | 09:17 |
| ybit | swabbie_strages: what'd you say in the two hands doc interview? | 09:24 |
| ybit | or what were they asking | 09:24 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/computerized-cooking-recipes.zip 59 recipes in the RxOL format. | 09:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | computerized ? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | that's the name of the book | 09:48 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/computerized-cooking-recipes/lamb-and-lentil-stew.rxol | 09:49 |
| ybit | http://www.health.state.ny.us/environmental/indoors/air/guidance.htm | 09:49 |
| * ybit is looking at the doc above and wondering what you actually use to measure air quality | 09:50 | |
| katsmeow-afk | same as outdoor, i guess | 09:50 |
| ybit | which is? | 09:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | assorted sensors like hot methane sensors, vacs with dust catchers, etc | 09:51 |
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| ybit | where might ya get this equipment? | 09:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | i asked ADEM how they measured particulate pollution, he said a vac cleaner with a micropaper filter on it, they weigh the filter, run the vac for 24 hrs, weight it again | 09:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | the determine the size with a microscope | 09:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | radon is detected with a geiger counter, naturally | 09:53 |
| * ybit is airing out the shack since it's had flammable gases in it for a good while | 09:53 | |
| ybit | ..so welding can be done in there.. | 09:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | err, it's not a flammable building? | 09:55 |
| ybit | anyway, it would be nice to live and am nervous to enter in there | 09:55 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: it's made of wood if that's what you're asking.. | 09:56 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 09:56 | |
| ybit | btw, i see you survived the storms from the other day, congrats | 09:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | got 3 inches in 24 hrs the 19th | 09:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | Leeds, downthe interstate, got severe flooding, one storm parked there for 6.5 hrs and pounded them | 09:56 |
| ybit | that would be great if you had a bin or two which were recycling that water | 09:57 |
| * katsmeow-afk logged the event with radar images every 30 minutes | 09:57 | |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, i know :-( | 09:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | the radar images were worse than hurricanes that have gone over | 09:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | few bad winds tho, mostly lotsa rain | 09:58 |
| * katsmeow-afk makes some breakfast to eat while watching Stephanopolous | 10:00 | |
| kanzure | while searching around for endy's email address, | 10:02 |
| kanzure | http://brokenscience.com/2008/06/12/drew-endy-hasnt-done-shit/ | 10:02 |
| ybit | someone mentioned someone rewriting the tcp/ip stack used in their network so if hackers did break into the sys, they wouldn't be able to send anything :P | 10:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | use a C64 :-) | 10:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | actually, you can use an avr, if the desktop box prebuilds the packets | 10:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | i did a sorta stack in mirc, using mirc's "raw" sockets | 10:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | windows did send mirc the packets inthe right order, but when doing several internet transations at once, the packets incoming to mirc were out of order | 10:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | interleaved | 10:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | so i had to sort and build the page from the incoming, as if it were a stack, sorta | 10:06 |
| * ybit wishes we had an invasion of bioPOETS in diyh+ instead of actual poets :) | 10:09 | |
| kanzure | huh erik winfree offered me a job? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | why didn't i take that? | 10:14 |
| ybit | because you became interested in skdb | 10:21 |
| kanzure | no it's actually relevant to skdb | 10:24 |
| kanzure | i mean, dna compilers and so on | 10:25 |
| ybit | sure, but it also isn't aspects of it either | 10:37 |
| jonathan__ | I found plastic bits in my quinoa for breakfast. what is the food industry coming to | 10:51 |
| ybit | quinoa, yum | 10:51 |
| ybit | jonathan__: stop being secretive and share with me your plans :-) | 10:52 |
| jonathan__ | plastic bits, not so yum | 10:52 |
| jonathan__ | got it from whole foods as well | 10:53 |
| ybit | yeah, that comes as a shock | 10:53 |
| ybit | ..kind of | 10:53 |
| jonathan__ | what plans do you want to know | 10:53 |
| ybit | projects you are working on | 10:53 |
| jonathan__ | talk about secret, where's the bill of materials for the open gel box ? | 10:53 |
| ybit | Miller turns out not to be secretive about their welders if you happen to have one. i have circuit diagrams and listing of every part in the welder, this makes me happy | 10:54 |
| jonathan__ | my current project is picking these plastic bits out of my quinqoa, taping them up to take to whole foods management | 10:55 |
| ybit | jonathan__: http://www.pearlbiotech.com/hardware | 10:55 |
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| ybit | not much of a 'bill' of materials though | 10:56 |
| jonathan__ | that's not a bill of materials | 10:56 |
| jonathan__ | that's a simple ingredient list | 10:56 |
| jonathan__ | "Pearl Trasilluminator Unit" ooooohhhh HMMMMM now how does that help? | 10:56 |
| kanzure | we all know tito is an idiot | 10:57 |
| ybit | right.. anyway, you were working on laser printer and laminated sheet microfluidcs awhile... kanzure recently mentioned something which may be added to skdb which you are currently working on..? | 10:57 |
| jonathan__ | currently I have to go so remind me later | 10:57 |
| ybit | [later] ...so jonathan__, whatcha working on? :P | 11:08 |
| ybit | kanzure: were you talking about www-spiders being implemented into skdb? | 11:10 |
| ybit | s/implemented into/merged with | 11:16 |
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| kanzure | ybit: yeah it would be nice to have an ability to place orders | 11:30 |
| ybit | huh? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | heh "resistor +fire" on google gives "nyc resistor: fire arduino fire alarm" | 11:37 |
| kanzure | hm are we going to have to consider time integrals for compatibility/failure analysis? | 11:39 |
| ybit | or just ignore me ;) | 11:42 |
| kanzure | you asked me a question and i answered | 12:01 |
| * ybit shrutgs | 12:01 | |
| ybit | PCB-based integration of electrochemiluminescence detection for microfluidic systems. | 12:02 |
| ybit | anyone have access to that? | 12:02 |
| ybit | found it | 12:11 |
| ybit | moved some stuff to adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted | 12:19 |
| ybit | papers/unsorted updated | 12:36 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 1fde692 /import_tools/readme: added surf.py to the readme, fwiw | 12:43 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 0fcd5c2 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: worked on search process methods in graphsynth.py | 12:43 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 014dd99 /tests/test_graphsynth.py: unit tests for graphsynth | 12:43 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 0f6e000 /tests/test_units.py: tests for conversions between sympy.physics.units and skdb.Unit passed on first go | 12:43 |
| kanzure | at first i thought something was wrong and the unit test wasn't being called | 12:44 |
| kanzure | but then i added a statement sure to fail, and sure enough it was calling it | 12:45 |
| kanzure | yay fenn | 12:45 |
| * ybit wants to grab http://github.com/kanzure/djangit.git/ and push back.. | 13:04 | |
| * ybit couldn't find anything on adl | 13:05 | |
| kanzure | you have something to push? | 13:06 |
| ybit | soon | 13:07 |
| ybit | guess i should make something before requesting access, meh | 13:07 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 979e05d / (core/units.py tests/test_units.py): tests for conversion from quantities.Quantity to skdb.Unit | 13:12 |
| kanzure | ybit: github wants you to "fork it" by clicking their button so that they have the record on their server | 13:13 |
| kanzure | there's no bare repository anywhere | 13:13 |
| * ybit doesn't like idea of forking something | 13:15 | |
| kanzure | it's not forking really | 13:16 |
| kanzure | on github it's just cloning of the git repository | 13:16 |
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| ybit | kanzure: mind setting up key access to adl? here's my pub key http://pastebin.ca/1573134 | 13:54 |
| kanzure | can't you just drop it into your .ssh dir? | 13:54 |
| ybit | on adl? | 14:05 |
| ybit | probably | 14:05 |
| ybit | will do after i nap | 14:05 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.ca/1573150 | 14:05 |
| * ybit naps | 14:05 | |
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| ybit | hi there genehacker | 14:26 |
| kanzure | good nap | 14:26 |
| ybit | indeed | 14:28 |
| ybit | woke ready to eat ice cream and be somewhat productive | 14:29 |
| kanzure | no ice cream until you write code! | 14:32 |
| kanzure | hm in sympycore you can do Unit("kg*m / J + mg") | 15:22 |
| kanzure | apparently "units" is a commutative ring | 15:24 |
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| kanzure | http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/Sampler.html | 15:32 |
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| fenn | French Republican Calendar. In that calendar, every day is dedicated to a natural object, except that every tenth day is dedicated to an abstract concept. Where else would you find "Supreme Being Day" immediately followed by "Potato Day"? | 15:37 |
| fenn | noon being "0.5" and sunset "0.75". | 15:37 |
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| fenn | "Computer, give me all the recipes which call for pork and tomatoes with a complexity metric of less than 7 and a food energy density of less than 6 kJ/g." | 15:47 |
| kanzure | hell yes | 15:47 |
| kanzure | what is food energy density? :( | 15:47 |
| kanzure | doesn't that depend on how good your body is at processing the food? | 15:48 |
| fenn | no | 15:48 |
| fenn | its the oxidative energy content of the food divided by its mass | 15:49 |
| fenn | the assumption here is that you're oxidizing with oxygen, and not fluorine or something | 15:49 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c49b6aa / (core/units.py tests/test_units.py): convert from sympycore.physics.units.Unit to skdb.Unit plus unit tests | 15:51 |
| flamoot | i just emailed sam barros from power-labs.com to find out if Focus Fusion is a hoax | 15:58 |
| flamoot | http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/the_first_shots/ | 15:58 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 4ea4d58 /tests/test_units.py: clean up extraneous print statement | 15:58 |
| flamoot | Sept 24 | 15:58 |
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| fenn | it's not a hoax | 16:10 |
| fenn | why would you think it's a hoax? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | tin foil hat | 16:10 |
| kanzure | maybe his is beeping | 16:11 |
| flamoot | wait, now skeptics have the tin foil hats? | 16:12 |
| fenn | what's to be skeptical about, that they built a machine? | 16:13 |
| kanzure | http://xkcd.com/635/ hee | 16:14 |
| genehacker | huh focus fusion's not a hoax? | 16:20 |
| genehacker | tin foil hats are a hoax | 16:21 |
| genehacker | most are aluminium nowadays | 16:21 |
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| genehacker | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/09/fmrisalmon/ | 17:08 |
| ybit | bkero, fenn, katsmeow-afk: what's the purpose of setting the polarity on the dc welding? | 17:11 |
| fenn | one side burns hotter because of electron evaporation | 17:14 |
| ybit | is it easy to tell which one burns hotter? | 17:15 |
| ybit | why would i want it to not burn hotter, for certain metals that have __ property? | 17:15 |
| * ybit should join a machine shop channel | 17:15 | |
| fenn | hah | 17:16 |
| ybit | okay, off to do some pretty terrible welding i'm sure | 17:16 |
| fenn | i'd tell you the answer, but http://xkcd.com/567/ screwed me up | 17:16 |
| genehacker | DON'T WELD GALVANIZED STEEL | 17:26 |
| genehacker | MY PROCESSING TEACHER SAYS IT'S BAD FOR YOU | 17:26 |
| kanzure | someone in #openhardware is working on a cnc machine | 17:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/dscf2315.jpg | 17:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/main-assembly.jpg | 17:27 |
| fenn | that's old news | 17:29 |
| kanzure | is it? | 17:30 |
| fenn | i thought it was finished like 2 years ago | 17:30 |
| kanzure | in ".dwg" format | 17:30 |
| kanzure | the "big one" is finished | 17:31 |
| kanzure | but there's a mini-one that he is working on apparently | 17:31 |
| kanzure | but obviously i don't care about the mini one at the moment | 17:31 |
| kanzure | .window 12 | 17:31 |
| kanzure | fuck you | 17:31 |
| kanzure | apparently he didn't upload them because he doesn't have enough web space for the 50MB archive. maybe tomorrow he'll upload them to adl. | 17:32 |
| fenn | 50MB of .dwg's? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:33 |
| fenn | that's ridiculous | 17:33 |
| kanzure | have you seen this yet? http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/guerrilla_cnc1.html | 17:33 |
| kanzure | guerrilla guide to cnc machining? | 17:34 |
| fenn | can anyone else eve read .dwg files? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | i think brlcad can read dxf, does that count? | 17:34 |
| fenn | no | 17:34 |
| kanzure | "evil finder is a cool hack that employs numerology to conclusively prove the evilness of a given subject" | 17:38 |
| kanzure | ok this sounds familiar | 17:38 |
| kanzure | oh it was also mentioned on makezine.com before. | 17:38 |
| kanzure | still worth reading though. | 17:38 |
| kanzure | ok he says he can export to IGES and STEP | 17:45 |
| kanzure | fenn, ybit: he's uploading the dwg files to adl:/home/achiestdragon/ (not done yet. looks like it might take two hours.) just fyi.. guess i'll play around with converting them. | 17:57 |
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| fenn | serendipity linked to this http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/ | 18:10 |
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| fenn | http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/ShoppingList.png | 18:11 |
| fenn | apparently "pantry" assumes an infinite amount of that ingredient | 18:12 |
| kanzure | are there any /good/ ascii art generators? | 18:15 |
| fenn | no. | 18:15 |
| kanzure | are you an ascii art generator? | 18:15 |
| fenn | ascii art is terrible by definition | 18:15 |
| * kanzure tries to increase fenn's character resolution but forgot the control code :( | 18:15 | |
| kanzure | all these asciiart tools like to think that asciiart means "convert pixels to individual colored text" instead of "come up with some actual ascii art" | 18:17 |
| fenn | yep | 18:18 |
| kanzure | a shitty GA can do better than this | 18:18 |
| fenn | i'd much rather have a line art to stroked svg converter | 18:18 |
| kanzure | svg2ascii seemed obvious to me but apparently that doesn't actually exist | 18:18 |
| fenn | but xml is already ascii :) | 18:19 |
| kanzure | no, bad fenn! | 18:19 |
| fenn | bubblegum flavored jellybeans are confusing. years of conditioning is telling me not to swallow | 18:26 |
| kanzure | it's like toothpaste, it's ok to swallow just a little bit of bubble gum | 18:26 |
| kanzure | but who swallows toothpaste?? | 18:26 |
| fenn | i should build a sorting robot for these jellybeans | 18:27 |
| genehacker | do it | 18:28 |
| kanzure | does python-rsvg implement basic primitives like Point, Line, etc.? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/svgfig/ | 18:31 |
| kanzure | "SVGFig also maintains a convenient representation of SVG images as Python constructs, so you can load graphics from SVG files, dissect them, manipulate them with an automated script, and save them in batch. " | 18:31 |
| kanzure | hm svgfig claims it should be used for making graphs, but isn't that kind of lame without gnuplot conversion support? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/FitCurves.c from http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10873 | 18:41 |
| kanzure | oh well. i think occ's point-to-curve functions might work. | 18:42 |
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| ybit | speaking of galvenized steel, damn the fumes | 19:27 |
| * ybit wants a space helmet | 19:28 | |
| ybit | apparently, i'm just a dobber atm :P | 19:28 |
| ybit | though i did create a few good looking beads | 19:28 |
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| ybit | DC Negative = more heat into workpiece, deeper penetration. Standard setting for steel | 20:07 |
| ybit | DC Positive = more heat into electrode, less penetration, best left for thin metal. | 20:07 |
| ybit | AC, best for non-ferrous metals, like aluminum, because the back and forth flow provides cleaning action. | 20:07 |
| ybit | not sure why you wouldn't want the cleaning action for the other metals though | 20:08 |
| fenn | hmm.. PyX does some neat stuf | 20:08 |
| fenn | deformer.smoothed(radius=0.5) makes fillets | 20:08 |
| kanzure | nurbs library in C: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/vogl/nurbs.tar.gz | 20:09 |
| fenn | ybit: other metals don't have such obnoxious oxides | 20:09 |
| fenn | boo hiss | 20:09 |
| kanzure | hiss at who? | 20:10 |
| fenn | there are lots of nurbs libraries out there | 20:10 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:10 |
| kanzure | haven't looked | 20:10 |
| fenn | why are you pasting ftp link to a .tgz? | 20:10 |
| kanzure | because that's how the link was given to me? | 20:10 |
| fenn | like i'm going to compile it just to see what happens? | 20:10 |
| fenn | was this on the autotrace website? | 20:11 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 20:11 |
| ybit | http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/ | 20:16 |
| kanzure | is it anything but spam? | 20:17 |
| fenn | 1980-1995 was pretty good material | 20:19 |
| fenn | http://yarchive.net/metal/index.html | 20:19 |
| fenn | i recommend anything by robert bastow | 20:19 |
| fenn | there are some other interesting newsgroups on that site as well | 20:20 |
| fenn | space/exotic for example | 20:20 |
| kanzure | have you played with the qcad part library? | 20:21 |
| fenn | yes | 20:21 |
| fenn | it's mostly eda stuff | 20:21 |
| fenn | er, i think. | 20:21 |
| kanzure | lots of 2d drawings of mechanical components | 20:23 |
| kanzure | it doesn't know if it wants to be a symbol library or a parts library | 20:23 |
| fenn | i don't really remember | 20:23 |
| kanzure | not worth it | 20:24 |
| fenn | i remember a lot of stuff being in japanese | 20:25 |
| fenn | http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad_library_browse.html | 20:25 |
| fenn | perhaps useful at one point in time, but now i would much rather have svg equivalents | 20:26 |
| ybit | fenn: thanks for linking to guerilla guide for cnc, looks like it may be decent | 20:27 |
| * kanzure frowns | 20:27 | |
| * fenn blames kanzure | 20:28 | |
| ybit | http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/dom_checker/ and http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/newtcp/ of his are also nice | 20:28 |
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| ybit | i think you can convert dwg to dxr iirc | 20:30 |
| ybit | oh, i see | 20:30 |
| ybit | damn this irc client for not highlighting direct messages to me .1 of the time | 20:30 |
| ybit | .1% | 20:30 |
| ybit | er, 10%.. don't know wtf i was thinking anywho.. now to solve these damn build errors before cleaning house/paying rent and calling it a night | 20:33 |
| * ybit needs a quick $30k, any takers in giving it to me? | 20:33 | |
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| jonathan__ | oh, I thought money didnt matter | 20:34 |
| kanzure | i might be able to foot it .. what for? | 20:36 |
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| fenn | aww PyX doesn't do SVG output | 20:49 |
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| fenn | a good application for molecular sieves is filtering noble gases from the air to use in industrial processes | 21:00 |
| fenn | would save a lot of energy vs distilling everything | 21:00 |
| genehacker | you can obtain molecular seives for oxygen on ebay | 21:15 |
| fenn | sure that's just zeolite | 21:26 |
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| genehacker | yeah | 21:29 |
| genehacker | it's in the form of a portable oxygen concentrator | 21:29 |
| genehacker | though what do we really want from atmospheric gasesa anyway | 21:29 |
| genehacker | we do need a carbon monoxide source though | 21:29 |
| genehacker | that's to make the phosgene | 21:30 |
| fenn | egad | 21:30 |
| genehacker | also need a chlorine source too | 21:32 |
| genehacker | so a metallic sodium production cell is a must | 21:32 |
| kanzure | genehacker: there were some notes in notes.txt on how to make phosgene gas | 21:33 |
| genehacker | yeah I know | 21:33 |
| genehacker | the cloroform technique | 21:34 |
| genehacker | that's one way to do it | 21:34 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:34 |
| genehacker | could complicate things a bit | 21:34 |
| genehacker | also we need some sort of chemical analyzer before we can do any of this stuff | 21:35 |
| kanzure | heh | 21:44 |
| kanzure | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyfeyn/0.3.1 | 21:44 |
| kanzure | "An easy-to-use Python library to help physicists draw Feynman diagrams." | 21:44 |
| kanzure | examples: http://projects.hepforge.org/pyfeyn/examples | 21:45 |
| kanzure | they have a "feynML" xml spec going :p | 21:54 |
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| jonathan__ | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/technology/21patent.html?_r=1&ref=business | 23:52 |
| ybit | http://www.canosoarus.com/02Robosaurus/Robo01.htm | 23:56 |
| ybit | jonathan__: now is later if you have time | 23:56 |
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