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| kanzure | hm it seems most efficient if i don't sleep for the next five days | 00:29 |
| kanzure | wrldpc2: so you're in new york, right? | 00:29 |
| wrldpc2 | yep | 00:29 |
| kanzure | so | 00:29 |
| wrldpc2 | forward advance team go! | 00:29 |
| wrldpc2 | I couldn't get access. | 00:30 |
| kanzure | what? | 00:30 |
| kanzure | i was wondering if you could fill me in on some details | 00:30 |
| kanzure | like why the fuck you people pay 20% gratuity on cabs | 00:30 |
| wrldpc2 | Vassar shut me down. | 00:30 |
| wrldpc2 | hahaha | 00:30 |
| wrldpc2 | I heard the trains in New York are Japanese. | 00:31 |
| kanzure | i'm arriving at la guardia, i was wondering if you could give some protips | 00:31 |
| wrldpc2 | I tried getting press access. | 00:31 |
| wrldpc2 | I wouldn't be averse to driving you to the spot actually. | 00:31 |
| kanzure | you have a car? | 00:31 |
| wrldpc2 | I won't be able to get in but you will. | 00:31 |
| wrldpc2 | lol | 00:31 |
| wrldpc2 | Yeah I have a car. | 00:32 |
| kanzure | i'm going to be arriving around 1:30 pm | 00:32 |
| kanzure | on friday | 00:32 |
| wrldpc2 | cool | 00:32 |
| kanzure | can we make this work? | 00:32 |
| wrldpc2 | I can program that. | 00:32 |
| wrldpc2 | Certainly! | 00:33 |
| kanzure | is your number still 6173356457 | 00:33 |
| wrldpc2 | yep | 00:33 |
| kanzure | huh you're already in my phone | 00:33 |
| kanzure | well good job i guess | 00:34 |
| wrldpc2 | It's 16 minutes from 1395 Lexington Ave, NYC to La Guardia. | 00:34 |
| wrldpc2 | I'll be able to give you that book that came back return to sender lol | 00:34 |
| kanzure | actually i'm staying at 410 east 92nd street | 00:34 |
| kanzure | it's basically around the block iirc | 00:35 |
| kanzure | but if you want to hang out a bit that's cool too | 00:35 |
| wrldpc2 | That's 3 blocks from the venue. | 00:36 |
| wrldpc2 | East | 00:36 |
| wrldpc2 | well .. south east | 00:36 |
| kanzure | are new york blocks proportional to regular city blocks like i might find in austin? | 00:36 |
| wrldpc2 | I'm down to hang out for sure. | 00:36 |
| kanzure | i have to warn you that my hotelmate is mormon | 00:36 |
| wrldpc2 | Depends | 00:37 |
| wrldpc2 | 2 standard Austin blocks generally equal 1 NYC block | 00:37 |
| kanzure | hah | 00:37 |
| wrldpc2 | but it depends where you go | 00:37 |
| kanzure | sounds like it's ok to walk then | 00:37 |
| kanzure | alright, i need to get some sleep | 00:38 |
| kanzure | thanks for this | 00:38 |
| kanzure | and i'm getting a book? how can i resist | 00:38 |
| wrldpc2 | I dunno I think that's just hyperbole about the blocks. | 00:38 |
| wrldpc2 | Oh for sure! | 00:38 |
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| genehacker | fun fact: electron beam welding can weld 14 inch thick pieces of steel | 09:50 |
| genehacker | fun fact: a lot of aerospace equipment is electron beam welded | 09:51 |
| genehacker | fun fact: electron beam welding works in a vacuum | 09:51 |
| genehacker | fun fact: space is a vacuum | 09:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.presentationzen.com/ | 10:16 |
| kanzure | hrm | 10:16 |
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| jonathan__ | check out the homebrew tech - http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2009/07/experimenting-with-liquid-lens.html | 10:17 |
| genehacker | heh learned most of that stuff from the toyota guy | 10:18 |
| genehacker | whoa diy liquid lense | 10:19 |
| jonathan__ | well not really, he bought a camera with liquid lens and stole the lens out of it | 10:22 |
| genehacker | it would be really cool if one could use liquid lenses to make either a microscope or a photolithography setup | 10:23 |
| genehacker | because of the low tolerances invovled | 10:23 |
| jonathan__ | sure, it should be possible. | 10:26 |
| genehacker | though it'd be better to use something other than water | 10:28 |
| genehacker | like something with a higher refractive index | 10:31 |
| genehacker | http://www.cargille.com/opticalintro.shtml | 10:32 |
| genehacker | ugh | 10:32 |
| genehacker | doesn't say what they are | 10:32 |
| genehacker | but that GH stuff has the refractive index of about diamond | 10:36 |
| jonathan__ | use multiple lenses, I guess | 10:42 |
| genehacker | well yeah | 10:50 |
| jonathan__ | I dont know anything about optics. | 10:53 |
| jonathan__ | except the basic physics 101 stuff. | 10:53 |
| genehacker | higher refractive index is good | 10:54 |
| genehacker | that cargille GH optical fluid has a refractive index on the order of diamond | 10:55 |
| genehacker | if we could make fluid lenses from it | 10:55 |
| genehacker | it would do the job | 10:56 |
| kanzure | "I'll soon be goo-gardening collablobject-oriented co-op computronium commonage corpus clusterings of mass-mod-mood-meds as related to GraviTV programming of everware-there-is-mass, requiring mad quality quomputronium quodin squillz and Compile-A-Child source code pharmed by way of repeatedly rebooting fungible front-ends of infomorphs exprisoned within deathcubes." | 10:57 |
| kanzure | uhm | 10:57 |
| jonathan__ | I dont know what liquids have been tried inside the liquid lens. I know they use 2 very immixable liquids (oil, water). look for papers like this one: http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/48/052404/ | 10:59 |
| jonathan__ | the only real issue in fabrication is the teflon-on-conductor-on-glass part. | 11:00 |
| kanzure | most of the liquid lens papers that i read use some sort of ultrasound source to cause changes to the shape | 11:00 |
| jonathan__ | these are EWOD liquid lenses | 11:01 |
| genehacker | can't read that | 11:01 |
| genehacker | anyway could these be useful to us? | 11:02 |
| jonathan__ | well, it's one exampe only. there was a good paper in 2006 in applied physics journal or something. | 11:02 |
| jonathan__ | aiming LAzERZ!1! | 11:02 |
| genehacker | electron beams are better | 11:03 |
| jonathan__ | it seems lasers are used to slectively kill cells. so presumably if you had a colony, you could select the ones you want & kill the outliers, as a selection mechanism. | 11:03 |
| genehacker | they can weld 14 inch pieces of steel and don't produce large heat affected zones | 11:04 |
| genehacker | would liquid lenses alloy us to do that? | 11:04 |
| jonathan__ | the blog post mentioned he was trying to eliminate vibration sources from measurement. | 11:06 |
| jonathan__ | thats why he wanted one | 11:06 |
| jonathan__ | the other reasonmight be size. such as, embedding the lens into microfluidics | 11:06 |
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| jonathan__ | that might be interesting since a problem with microfluidics is capping them in such a way that eliminates evaporation yet provides a good window | 11:07 |
| genehacker | you can get vibration isolators for record players | 11:08 |
| genehacker | http://www.finishing.com/456/54.shtml | 11:08 |
| genehacker | as far as coating teflon with metal is concerned | 11:08 |
| jonathan__ | teflon coats the glass | 11:09 |
| jonathan__ | at <100nm thick | 11:09 |
| genehacker | hmm.... | 11:09 |
| kanzure | wtf? http://www.y-pod.us/ | 11:11 |
| kanzure | claims that it's as important as xerox's gui | 11:11 |
| kanzure | so nevermind it's probably bullshit | 11:11 |
| jonathan__ | just like lincoln logs! | 11:12 |
| * kanzure is browsing through the singularity summit's attendee directory | 11:12 | |
| kanzure | there's only 500 people registered but they claim over 1k will be in attendance | 11:12 |
| kanzure | i like how igem and the singularity summit are at the same time, | 11:12 |
| kanzure | it weeds all the igem people out | 11:12 |
| jonathan__ | uhhh | 11:14 |
| genehacker | dang I can't think of a use for the that ypod thing | 11:14 |
| jonathan__ | the singulatiry summit should only have 1 in attendance ?? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | jonathan__: what? | 11:14 |
| jonathan__ | How can it be a singularity summit if there is more than 1 person there | 11:15 |
| kanzure | obviously they plan to kill us all until there is only one | 11:17 |
| genehacker | http://www.y-pod.us/graphics/boat_tail.gif | 11:22 |
| kanzure | http://audivolv.com/ | 11:55 |
| kanzure | sigh | 11:55 |
| kanzure | haha he links to mindforth | 11:56 |
| kanzure | crazy | 11:56 |
| genehacker | wow that looks a lot like a timecube crazy webpage | 12:00 |
| kanzure | hey why don't i have a timecube website yet? | 12:02 |
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| kanzure | wtf you can't search gmail inboxes by date? | 12:56 |
| kanzure | bkero: do you have a copy of "Hacking, Biohacking, and the Future of Humanity" from defcon? | 13:06 |
| bkero | kanzure: If it's from this/last year's defcon CD, yse. | 13:07 |
| bkero | Yes | 13:07 |
| kanzure | hm this might be it: https://issa-chicago.org/2009/07/august-meeeting/ | 13:07 |
| kanzure | oh it's just an abstract | 13:07 |
| kanzure | bkero: richard talked with me just before he gave the presentation so i was thinking i'd see what he got wrong or misunderstood from me | 13:08 |
| bkero | Really? Haha | 13:08 |
| kanzure | can't seem to find a copy of the talk | 13:09 |
| bkero | kanzure: http://docs.frogwasp.com/defcon/ | 13:12 |
| kanzure | hm these aren't transcripts? | 13:12 |
| bkero | That's a mounted ISO of the CD that was distributed at the conference | 13:12 |
| kanzure | looks like it's not there | 13:13 |
| kanzure | and there's nothing on the web from anyone who attended it | 13:13 |
| kanzure | what a boring talk it must have been | 13:13 |
| bkero | People at defcon are...very interesting | 13:13 |
| kanzure | hm? | 13:14 |
| bkero | I haven't been able to pidgeonhole them as something yet. | 13:14 |
| bkero | Are the mostly idiots, security professionals, paranoid schizophrenics? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | the first few defcons were probably rock solid | 13:16 |
| bkero | Yea | 13:28 |
| bkero | But defcon is the conference every little boy dreams of going to | 13:29 |
| bkero | OMG HACKRES | 13:29 |
| kanzure | that's only because it's been around for a very long time | 13:30 |
| kanzure | http://frogwasp.com/~bkero/ | 13:30 |
| kanzure | what a boring website | 13:30 |
| bkero | kanzure: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/ or http://blueheaven.ws/ | 13:33 |
| bkero | or http://docs.frogwasp.com/notes | 13:33 |
| kanzure | much better | 13:33 |
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| kanzure | hello nykodemus | 13:44 |
| nykodemus | hello | 13:45 |
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| kanzure | ha | 14:36 |
| kanzure | ed boyden uses an "MIT human 2.0" logo for his lab website. "h2o" | 14:36 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r a17adbf /tests/test_parser.py: unit tests for parsing dependency requirements of a package | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | how is a computer that was "worth" $1600 six years ago now "worth" $50 ? | 16:55 |
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| boogles | katsmeow-afk: Because now there are much faster computers available for $1600 than there were 5 years ago? | 17:00 |
| bkero | Because they got ripped off 6 years ago. | 17:00 |
| bkero | I made a computer four years ago for $800, and sold it for $400 a few months ago. | 17:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | they are P4 "hyperthreading" 2.8 and 3ghz , 400mhz ddr | 17:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | pc3200 | 17:01 |
| bkero | Heh | 17:01 |
| bkero | We still have those as our workstations at work | 17:01 |
| kanzure | my laptop from 2003 was better than that | 17:01 |
| kanzure | noisy though | 17:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | so you buy another $1600 puter now, that's somewhat faster, and sell it in 4 yrs for $50 and buy another $1600 ? | 17:02 |
| bkero | I think the solution is to buy a cheaper computer | 17:02 |
| kanzure | i had people ask me to turn off my laptop because it was so loud :( | 17:02 |
| bkero | Also the P4's of that era were shit | 17:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, i am, $50 ;-) | 17:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | err, in what way? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | "bryan i cant hear what these other people are saying, could you uhh" | 17:03 |
| bkero | Netburst | 17:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 17:03 |
| bkero | They were badly designed. | 17:03 |
| bkero | They couldn't be very fast because they pumped out too much heat | 17:03 |
| bkero | and intel still charged a premium because it came with an Intel badge | 17:03 |
| bkero | That era is what gave AMD a great foothold in the server market. | 17:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | but the Athlon 3000 of that erea were slower on benchmarks | 17:04 |
| bkero | Not many | 17:04 |
| bkero | The 3000 moniker means it's supposed to compete with a 3GHz Pentium 4 | 17:04 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 17:05 | |
| katsmeow-afk | which it seemd to fail at | 17:05 |
| bkero | Or rather, supposed to be equivalent to a Pentium 4 with a lower price point | 17:05 |
| kanzure | is that how AMD processors are named? | 17:05 |
| bkero | It's how they were named | 17:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | these 4600's come with only 512megs of ram, i think that may be why they are slow? they have no memory for applications to use? | 17:05 |
| bkero | That worked when they introduced it, back during the Athlon XP days | 17:05 |
| bkero | Athlon 4600s? Those should be around 2.4Ghz Athlon 64's, should be plenty fast if you give them another gig of RAM. | 17:06 |
| kanzure | hm i don't think i've owned an AMD since the K6 | 17:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | bkero, not, Dell Dimensions 4600 | 17:06 |
| bkero | Oh, I have no idea how dell model numbers work | 17:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | someone wants this one reall ybadly, they been selling for $40, this one is $72 | 17:07 |
| bkero | AMDs were great value back in that era, and still great performers until the Core 2 came out. Since then, AMD has always been a generation behind. | 17:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | 82 | 17:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | $90 , 2 min left | 17:08 |
| boogles | They're still nice and afforbable, though :) | 17:08 |
| bkero | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2004/benchmarks,18.html <-- There are some nice charts of the Athlon 64's cleaning up | 17:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | sure, if i required one, $90 is worth it | 17:09 |
| bkero | For $90 I could probably get a dual core atom board, case, and RAM | 17:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | bkero, would the Athlons perform better with ubuntu than winxp ? | 17:09 |
| bkero | As well as everything performs better with ubuntu than xp | 17:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | but that atom will be 1.2ghx for that $90,, and not much ram | 17:10 |
| bkero | The atoms are 1.6GHz, but clockspeed on atoms are misleading | 17:10 |
| kanzure | i wonder if we can convert their "lab scripts" to something more usable http://2009.igem.org/Team:Calgary/Second_Life/Blog | 17:10 |
| bkero | And RAM is really cheap | 17:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | jeexe, this one sold for $104, ~3x what they have been going for | 17:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | $35/gig cheap | 17:11 |
| bkero | WAYY cheaper than that | 17:11 |
| bkero | $15/gig cheap | 17:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | for PC3200 ? where?? | 17:11 |
| bkero | $30 for a 2gb stick | 17:11 |
| bkero | Oh, I thought we were talking about Atoms | 17:11 |
| bkero | Which use DDr2 | 17:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | right | 17:11 |
| bkero | Also on newegg | 17:12 |
| bkero | PC3200 is $27 | 17:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | erg | 17:13 |
| bkero | DDR1 is starting to get to the piont where it's not worth it to upgrade anymore | 17:14 |
| bkero | I had the best DDR1 setup out there, and I sold it a few months ago | 17:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | 2 x 1gb is $79 on newegg, ibeen buying for ~15 less | 17:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | for Corsair brand | 17:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | and Kingston | 17:16 |
| bkero | Or 2x1gb is $54 by just buying 2 sticks | 17:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't know these other brands | 17:16 |
| bkero | Wintec and G.skill have made a reputation with the DDR/DDR2 markets | 17:17 |
| bkero | 5 eggs and 205/544 reviews respectively | 17:17 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 17:17 | |
| bkero | I'd trust Wintec, G.skill, and A-DATA to make a decent stick of RAM or flash memory nowadays | 17:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | wish you'd told me about 6gb ago | 17:18 |
| bkero | Is it you buying RAM, or your department? | 17:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | me | 17:19 |
| bkero | Oh damn, sorry | 17:19 |
| bkero | I try to look in here as much as possible :0 | 17:19 |
| bkero | :) | 17:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | course, then i bought 10gb for $50 for playing with | 17:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | most of it was PC2100, 256meg dimms, for playing with making a digital storage scope, and other toys | 17:21 |
| bkero | Vrmm vrmm | 17:23 |
| bkero | RAM speed doesn't matter much at all | 17:23 |
| bkero | 10GB is a lot of RAM though | 17:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | a 3D bit map of fixed objects for the other toys to not run into :-) | 17:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, a lifetime supply of 32meg x8 chips | 17:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | to go with the 1,200 same-physical-size 128k and 256k 70ns drams i got for free | 17:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | or the 120 128kx8 15ns statics i got for free | 17:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | so other than upgrading a mobo or two here or there, i think i am out of the memory market for a loooooooong time | 17:26 |
| bkero | Going to upgrade some arduinos? Heh heh | 17:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh ;-) | 17:26 |
| * bkero should order a nice (cheap) arduino clone. | 17:28 | |
| bkero | I'm not sure if I should go with a breadboard-able one or not. | 17:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | why an arduino and not a plain AVR with some sorta OS? | 17:28 |
| bkero | Nice C frontend | 17:30 |
| bkero | *Compiler | 17:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | i figure someone is gonna make the xmega competitive with the olde 386 any day now | 17:30 |
| bkero | A serial interface that I don't have to fucking TTL to | 17:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's C compilers for all the avr, i thought | 17:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | you can run avr at 3.3v | 17:30 |
| bkero | 5v? | 17:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you mean ttl is 5v, and you don';t like 5v, run the chip at 3.3, many of the avr run lower than that even | 17:32 |
| bkero | I meant RS232 ports look for signals much higher than 3.3v | 17:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh,, yeas | 17:32 |
| bkero | So I need the 5v :) | 17:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | or the max chip | 17:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | or a couple transistors | 17:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | i gotta go afk to put my feet up | 17:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | bbl | 17:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | thanks, bkero | 17:34 |
| bkero | No problem, I'm always available if you need anything :) | 17:34 |
| * drazak is setting up pcr, again | 17:36 | |
| kanzure | slave labor just isn't fun when your slaves want to do it :/ | 17:41 |
| drazak | rofl | 17:42 |
| bkero | You have minions? | 17:42 |
| drazak | I am a minion | 17:42 |
| drazak | but I think it's fun | 17:43 |
| drazak | :D | 17:43 |
| kanzure | it is i who has minions | 17:43 |
| kanzure | or do the minions have me? not really sure | 17:43 |
| drazak | you guys need to get more confused | 17:43 |
| drazak | read the principa discordia | 17:43 |
| bkero | Read it | 17:43 |
| * drazak can't finish his pcr reactions until the cDNA finishes | 17:43 | |
| drazak | bkero: what' | 17:44 |
| drazak | what'd you think? | 17:44 |
| bkero | Not bad | 17:44 |
| bkero | I still don't get the entire allure of the Bob Dobbs/Discordianism shit | 17:44 |
| drazak | heh | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i need to implement something in my grammar where i can do {something:property=whatever same_something:property2=another} (i think most people think of this as a join) | 17:44 |
| kanzure | re: test_parser.py | 17:44 |
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| jonathan_ | yesterday I got 13 mosquito bites from sitting out by the pool. Today I got at least that many. DNA transfer occurs thru mosquito bites so I am wondering how much genetic material I am picking up from TX mosquitos... | 17:51 |
| bkero | Making a big monoprice order | 17:51 |
| bkero | and by big I mean $6 | 17:51 |
| drazak | on what? | 17:52 |
| drazak | jonathan_: not a lot | 17:52 |
| bkero | Stereo shit | 17:52 |
| drazak | jonathan_: think nano or pico grams | 17:52 |
| drazak | bkero: what kind? | 17:52 |
| jonathan_ | hm | 17:52 |
| bkero | 3.5mm->RCA, some RCA couplers, HDMI->DVI | 17:52 |
| drazak | nice | 17:53 |
| jonathan_ | i'm wondering if it will affect my horrible TX allergies | 17:53 |
| bkero | jonathan_: I've heard a nice way to fix some allergies is to eat local honey. Takes a while to have any affect, but your body should get used to the pollens. | 17:53 |
| jonathan_ | I have heard that too, although it didnt work for me in california when I tried it. got local honey from farmers market | 17:54 |
| bkero | How long did you give it, and how often? | 17:54 |
| jonathan_ | long time ago, I dont remember | 17:54 |
| drazak | are any of you into ceramics? | 17:55 |
| jonathan_ | these TX mosquitos are damn aggressive though | 17:55 |
| jonathan_ | i gotta get some DEET next time | 17:56 |
| jonathan_ | which causes more damage from a SENS point of view, massive qtys of DEET applied to skin, or massive numbers of mosquito bites? | 17:56 |
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| bkero | lol I just pulled up the Chewbacca defense at work | 18:14 |
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| ybit | bkero: eh? | 18:32 |
| ybit | kanzure: why are you going to the singularity summit? | 18:32 |
| ybit | draz|lab: what are you wanting to know about ceramics? | 18:32 |
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| genehacker | ceramics? | 18:35 |
| genehacker | I know a bit about that | 18:35 |
| drazak | ybit: tips for centering the clay on the wheel | 18:35 |
| genehacker | what are you making? | 18:36 |
| drazak | mugs, pots, bowls, teapots, etc, but I'm learning | 18:36 |
| drazak | I've only thrown 4 times, been successful twice, but I cut it in half both times, to see how even it was | 18:36 |
| genehacker | slip casting is the way to go | 18:36 |
| drazak | no thanks | 18:37 |
| drazak | I want to learn how to throw it on a potters wheel | 18:38 |
| jonathan_ | oh great, I'm gonna get yellow fever. "Dengue vector abundance was monitored from 54 sites in Dallas County, Texas, from June to November 2006, using oviposition traps. Both dengue vectors--the yellow fever mosquito, Aedes aegypti, and the Asian tiger mosquito, Aedes albopictus--were present." | 18:38 |
| genehacker | guess we need to make some sort of rapid disease detector | 18:39 |
| drazak | uh huhhh | 18:39 |
| drazak | bkero: oh god | 18:39 |
| drazak | bkero: about what? | 18:39 |
| genehacker | how about a serpentine PCR chip | 18:39 |
| drazak | uh huh | 18:40 |
| genehacker | perhaps youshould try jiggering | 18:47 |
| drazak | what's that? | 18:47 |
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| kanzure | ybit: it's sort of a highlander thing | 18:58 |
| kanzure | or jedi thing | 18:58 |
| ybit | go on | 19:00 |
| kanzure | it has been written that "there can only be one" | 19:00 |
| ybit | damn you principia discordian followers and your confusion | 19:01 |
| ybit | kanzure: are you giving a talk or just going to listen because you can and you got a discounted ticket for working with these guys ~1.3 years ago? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | "MacLeod eventually becomes a blacksmith in Glencoe, where he marries Heather (Beatie Edney). In 1541, he is located by a much older Immortal, who introduces himself as Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos RamÃrez (Sean Connery)." | 19:03 |
| kanzure | "He explains that the pain he feels in the Kurgan's and RamÃrez's presence is "The Quickening," which compels Immortals to battle each other. RamÃrez appoints himself MacLeod's tutor in the ways of being Immortal, their pursuit of The Prize, and the rules of an age-old "Game,"" | 19:03 |
| kanzure | "2~which will end when the few who remain participate in "The Gathering," noting that "in the end, there can be only one." Immortals can only die by decapitation and can only avoid battle on holy ground." | 19:03 |
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| wrldpc2 | Finite game :\ | 19:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: how would you specify material requirements? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i'm thinking of something like this: "(package1 or package2) and (package3 or package4 or package5) and gold{mass:" or something | 19:19 |
| kanzure | (for some reason dependencies related to materials was originally put into the tree of requirements for making a screw, for instance) | 19:20 |
| kanzure | "Xorg: At Least We're Not XFree86" | 19:20 |
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| drazak | rofl | 19:23 |
| drazak | xorg sucks | 19:23 |
| drazak | kanzure: how far are you from rice universtiy | 19:56 |
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| drazak | austin | 20:00 |
| drazak | 3 hours eh | 20:00 |
| kanzure | hello noah | 20:01 |
| kanzure | how was your first day? | 20:01 |
| kanzure | materials ? 400 < thermalcapacity < 600 & meltingpoint > 400 | 20:01 |
| kanzure | objects ? type ~ "lamp" & width < 20 & height < 200 | 20:01 |
| kanzure | drazak: i visited rice once. they have some pretty small dorm rooms. | 20:01 |
| drazak | yeah, they have decent research though | 20:02 |
| drazak | and they waived my admission fee | 20:02 |
| drazak | because I had a 5 on the chem ap | 20:02 |
| kanzure | Noahj: you alive? | 20:05 |
| Noahj | Hi | 20:07 |
| Noahj | First day was pretty fun | 20:07 |
| kanzure | who is teaching it? | 20:07 |
| Noahj | Adrian, the reprap guy, told us about border representation and function representation | 20:08 |
| kanzure | adrian bowyers is teaching the class | 20:08 |
| kanzure | what the fuck | 20:08 |
| kanzure | lfal;fa;kjlfal;jfal;fa | 20:08 |
| kanzure | what do you mean "function representation"? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | and "border"? | 20:08 |
| Noahj | In border representation you just store the edges and the vertices and that sort of thing | 20:10 |
| kanzure | ah, this is for CAD? | 20:10 |
| Noahj | In function representation, you define a function that generates the object | 20:10 |
| kanzure | are you sure he didn't mean a mesh? | 20:10 |
| Noahj | Using integrals inside boxes | 20:10 |
| kanzure | like a bezier curve or bspline? | 20:10 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:10 |
| Noahj | Border representation utilizes meshes a lot | 20:10 |
| drazak | I could go to rice | 20:11 |
| Noahj | Most CAD stuff uses it | 20:11 |
| kanzure | drazak: they have a good chemical engineering program that i was looking at | 20:11 |
| genehacker | wait a second | 20:11 |
| kanzure | Noahj: "function representation" is more popular | 20:11 |
| drazak | kanzure: we should set up our hackerspace in between austin and houston | 20:11 |
| drazak | :D | 20:11 |
| genehacker | Adrian Bowyer is teaching a what class? | 20:11 |
| kanzure | and travel 1.5 hours ? bah | 20:11 |
| Noahj | Function representation is more popular? | 20:12 |
| Noahj | Hmm | 20:12 |
| Noahj | Adrian said it wasn't | 20:12 |
| kanzure | adrian is biased | 20:12 |
| genehacker | there's one there | 20:12 |
| genehacker | they do repraps | 20:12 |
| kanzure | he works with a reprap | 20:12 |
| Noahj | But maybe he only meant for a certain set of programs | 20:12 |
| Noahj | Like, commercial CAD | 20:12 |
| kanzure | well you see the reprap and other 3D goo squirters like to use STL and other mesh formats | 20:12 |
| Noahj | He hates STL | 20:12 |
| kanzure | wtf | 20:12 |
| kanzure | that's news to me | 20:12 |
| * kanzure also hates STL | 20:12 | |
| Noahj | He was pretty adamant about his hatred for it :-p | 20:13 |
| kanzure | boundary representation is more popular though | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i mean, the only people who use meshes are people who are clueless | 20:13 |
| kanzure | and lots of animation/animators | 20:13 |
| genehacker | yeah | 20:13 |
| kanzure | (you can convert from boundary representation to a mesh) | 20:13 |
| kanzure | but it's hard to go from a mesh to a boundary representation | 20:13 |
| kanzure | i've been trying to write some code to do that but it's not the easiest | 20:14 |
| Noahj | Hmm. | 20:14 |
| kanzure | (for the record, someone remind me to try a level set method instead of what i'm currently doing in surf.py) | 20:14 |
| genehacker | if he hates .stl then why doesn't reprap take other formats than .stl | 20:14 |
| Noahj | So yeah, we didn't do much, but it was a good first day | 20:14 |
| genehacker | what class? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | i wish they taught me that much in the first year of mechanical engineering at ut :( | 20:14 |
| genehacker | have you had statics yet? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | no | 20:15 |
| kanzure | they won't let me takei t | 20:15 |
| genehacker | no thermo? | 20:15 |
| genehacker | no diff eq? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | they also won't let me take that | 20:16 |
| genehacker | you haven't gotten to the fun stuff yet | 20:16 |
| kanzure | oh well | 20:16 |
| kanzure | Noahj: sounds like fun | 20:16 |
| genehacker | the fun stuff that eats away all your time, keeps you up all the time, and drives you to near Lovecraftian insanity levels | 20:17 |
| Noahj | No differential equations | 20:17 |
| Noahj | They're The Nature of Mathematical Modelling | 20:17 |
| genehacker | is it taught by an engineer? | 20:17 |
| kanzure | i do use them of course and i know my way around them | 20:18 |
| Noahj | *They're in | 20:18 |
| Noahj | Nah, that's one of Neil's books | 20:18 |
| genehacker | if so you're getting a better educatioon | 20:18 |
| kanzure | but there's three calculus courses and the fourth one is called diff eq, noah | 20:18 |
| ybit | kanzure: "you should try a level set method instead of what" you are " currently doing in surf.py". yw | 20:18 |
| Noahj | I know I'll have to learn that at some point, but I don't know any calculus at all | 20:18 |
| kanzure | just use sympy | 20:18 |
| kanzure | until you can guess its output | 20:18 |
| genehacker | anyway ask bowyer sometime why reprap doesn't use more plastic to achieve replication of everything but screws and extruder parts | 20:19 |
| genehacker | and by plastic I mean motors too | 20:19 |
| Noahj | I can ask him | 20:19 |
| Noahj | I expect he'll say because it's plastic is weak | 20:19 |
| Noahj | But ABS is pretty strong, right? | 20:20 |
| genehacker | depends on how you measure something as strong | 20:20 |
| drazak | kanzure: so what places were you looking at for your hackerspace? | 20:21 |
| genehacker | also why hasn't he done any investment casting using the ABS plastic burnout process | 20:21 |
| drazak | brenham looks nice | 20:21 |
| genehacker | dammit wtf is an involute stub | 20:22 |
| drazak | how big is a 1/2 acre? | 20:22 |
| genehacker | accessing visualization data | 20:23 |
| genehacker | http://www.cockeyed.com/inside/acre/uno_acre_large.jpg | 20:23 |
| genehacker | 1 acre visualization | 20:23 |
| drazak | is it big enough for some shipping containers? | 20:24 |
| Noahj | I think Adrian may've been a special guest star | 20:25 |
| Noahj | So you could probably just email him | 20:25 |
| kanzure | drazak: texas is very hot | 20:25 |
| genehacker | yeah drazak | 20:25 |
| Noahj | But if he does show up on the conference again I'll ask him questions about printing steppers and using plastic structurally | 20:26 |
| drazak | kanzure: yeah | 20:26 |
| drazak | I'm trying to find some cheap land somewhere between houston and austin | 20:26 |
| genehacker | why? | 20:26 |
| drazak | the tx hackerspace, unless kanzure has a place in mind | 20:27 |
| genehacker | http://houstonhackerspace.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 20:28 |
| drazak | eww | 20:31 |
| drazak | too small | 20:31 |
| genehacker | hmmm... though some country land would be good for blowing stuff up | 20:31 |
| drazak | I'm fairly sure I could find donated shipping containers | 20:31 |
| genehacker | finding shipping containers is hard | 20:31 |
| drazak | I know where to find them | 20:31 |
| genehacker | where? | 20:31 |
| drazak | one for soldering, one for tissue culture, one for biology shite, one for meetings, one for classes, and 3 or 4 more for other shite, machine shops, etc | 20:32 |
| drazak | shipping companies :D | 20:32 |
| genehacker | they are fairly expensive | 20:32 |
| genehacker | my dad's been trying to find one for storing farm equipment for a while now | 20:33 |
| drazak | lots of places | 20:33 |
| drazak | actually | 20:33 |
| drazak | train stations | 20:33 |
| drazak | they may have extra ones hanging around | 20:33 |
| genehacker | it's the transportation cost that kill you | 20:33 |
| genehacker | tissue culture? | 20:33 |
| genehacker | you have my full attention | 20:33 |
| drazak | I pretty much have a plan for setting up a tc shipping container | 20:34 |
| genehacker | document it | 20:34 |
| drazak | uv light in the ceiling, 2 flourescent lights in the ceiling, 2 vertical hoods, 2 incubators, a centrifuge, sink, 4C fridge, -20 freezer, -80 OR liquid N2 freezer | 20:35 |
| drazak | both hoods equiped with UV lights | 20:35 |
| genehacker | you'd probably need to add airconditioning too | 20:36 |
| drazak | one pipette gun in each hood, one on the sink/workbench area, a set of micropippeters | 20:36 |
| drazak | you need a positive pressuresystem, with a hepa filter | 20:37 |
| drazak | also a vaccum system is nice, either pump or water driven | 20:38 |
| genehacker | what sort of tissue culture? | 20:39 |
| drazak | mammal cells | 20:39 |
| drazak | but you could do other cells | 20:39 |
| genehacker | bacteria zoo? | 20:39 |
| drazak | no bacteria | 20:39 |
| drazak | nooo | 20:39 |
| drazak | bacteria is not allowed in tissue culture rooms | 20:39 |
| genehacker | there's this bacteria that makes a component of gun powder | 20:39 |
| drazak | the risk of cross contamination is too great | 20:39 |
| drazak | bacteria are handled in the general biology container | 20:40 |
| genehacker | ok plan it out | 20:40 |
| drazak | well | 20:40 |
| drazak | it's useless if people don't know how to use it | 20:40 |
| drazak | I could put together a shopping list and some rules | 20:41 |
| drazak | they should be common sense to biology people :P | 20:42 |
| drazak | I can also put together a list of common reagents that need to be kept in a lab | 20:43 |
| genehacker | ok | 20:43 |
| drazak | or should be | 20:43 |
| genehacker | so figure out how much it cost | 20:43 |
| drazak | lots | 20:43 |
| drazak | I figured it out in my head after looking at some prices | 20:43 |
| drazak | like 20 grand | 20:43 |
| genehacker | if it costs too much then the price of being a member or using said boxes will be expensive | 20:43 |
| drazak | well | 20:44 |
| drazak | you could do it for less | 20:44 |
| drazak | ;) | 20:44 |
| drazak | I'm going to reprice it on excel at some point | 20:44 |
| drazak | well, you could make do with less reagents | 20:44 |
| drazak | probably about 100 things | 20:44 |
| genehacker | figure out price as is | 20:45 |
| genehacker | we can't make reagents yet | 20:45 |
| drazak | what I mean is | 20:45 |
| drazak | theres things you can omit | 20:45 |
| drazak | that wouldn't be awfully detrimental | 20:46 |
| drazak | but to do basic cell biology analysis there are things you need | 20:46 |
| genehacker | do we need to do that | 20:50 |
| drazak | stuff for pcr, stuff for westerns, (antibodies are expensive), stuff for southerns, stuff for northerns, stuff for RNA isolation, DNA isolation, protein isolation, BCA assay, stuff for histology if you do it, stuff for cell culture, gel electrophoresis, waterbaths for stuff, enzymes for restriction digest | 20:50 |
| drazak | if you want to do any sort of reasearch, sure | 20:51 |
| drazak | you could get enough to get a grant, get the grant, buy the rest | 20:51 |
| drazak | transfection reagents, plasmid stuff, there's more, but whatever | 20:52 |
| genehacker | research in a shipping container? | 20:53 |
| drazak | sure | 20:53 |
| genehacker | how do you intend to pay for it? | 20:53 |
| drazak | I have no idea yet | 20:53 |
| drazak | I'm still working on it in my head | 20:55 |
| drazak | if we get a couple people in the lab who are published it would work | 20:56 |
| drazak | published as first authors, that is | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i like the idea of using shipping containers | 20:56 |
| genehacker | is this a lab or a hacker space? | 20:57 |
| genehacker | I do too | 20:57 |
| drazak | both | 20:57 |
| kanzure | this was what we were planning for headquarters | 20:57 |
| drazak | it could have a lab portion, a hackerspace portion, a fablab | 20:57 |
| genehacker | but the shipping containers are going to need to be retrofitted | 20:57 |
| drazak | the whole thing would be generalized as a hackerspace, any sort of hobby you want | 20:57 |
| drazak | sure | 20:57 |
| kanzure | drazak: none of this is new | 20:57 |
| drazak | kanzure: nope | 20:57 |
| kanzure | this is already what we want to do | 20:58 |
| drazak | I know | 20:58 |
| drazak | I'm taking about what I'd like to do with a container or two | 20:58 |
| drazak | I'd teach some biology classes | 20:58 |
| drazak | at the hackerspace | 20:58 |
| kanzure | have you taken an inventory yet | 20:59 |
| drazak | not yet | 20:59 |
| drazak | well | 20:59 |
| kanzure | you suck | 20:59 |
| drazak | I have a mental inventory | 20:59 |
| drazak | there's a lot of things that are too specific | 20:59 |
| drazak | that are never used | 20:59 |
| drazak | or that were special ordered for one thing | 20:59 |
| kanzure | right | 20:59 |
| genehacker | http://www.nature.com/cdd/journal/v12/n4/full/4401614a.html | 21:01 |
| genehacker | definately nothing like this drazak? | 21:02 |
| genehacker | anyway drazak, didn't you say tissue culture was hard? | 21:02 |
| genehacker | why not just bacteria? | 21:02 |
| drazak | because I like mammalian cells, and the best grants are in mammalian cells | 21:03 |
| genehacker | ok | 21:03 |
| genehacker | have you worked with mammalian cells? | 21:04 |
| drazak | by hard,I meant that if you've never done it before or nobody has taught you, it's hard | 21:04 |
| drazak | aye | 21:04 |
| drazak | that's half of what I do :) | 21:04 |
| genehacker | do you ever use microfluidic concentration setters? | 21:05 |
| drazak | no? | 21:05 |
| drazak | why? | 21:05 |
| drazak | you trypsinize for 5 minutes, add serum containing media, then count cells | 21:06 |
| genehacker | trypsin? | 21:06 |
| genehacker | let's see here I think there's a way to make that | 21:06 |
| drazak | or pellet, and resuspend and then count then and then dilute | 21:06 |
| genehacker | how much is serum? | 21:07 |
| drazak | expensive | 21:08 |
| genehacker | that's what I though | 21:08 |
| genehacker | t | 21:08 |
| genehacker | well if you can pay for it | 21:08 |
| drazak | 500ml for 250$ and you use it 10% for FBS | 21:08 |
| drazak | btw, trypsin is expensive | 21:08 |
| drazak | er | 21:08 |
| drazak | cheap | 21:08 |
| drazak | really cheap | 21:08 |
| drazak | http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?N4=T4174|SIGMA&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEY&F=SPEC | 21:09 |
| drazak | taht's 10x | 21:09 |
| genehacker | can trypsin be made in a bacteria? | 21:10 |
| drazak | so you put it in either hanks saline, media without serum, hepes saline, to 1x before use | 21:10 |
| drazak | and you only use ~1-5ml for each use | 21:10 |
| drazak | not easily | 21:10 |
| drazak | they get it from pigs | 21:10 |
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| genehacker | oh dear | 21:11 |
| genehacker | now that's a problem | 21:11 |
| genehacker | is it one of those proteins that can only be made like that? | 21:11 |
| drazak | I do believe | 21:11 |
| drazak | it's cheap as hell though | 21:12 |
| genehacker | define cheap as hell? | 21:12 |
| drazak | look at the link | 21:12 |
| drazak | 22.70 for 100ml of 10x | 21:13 |
| ybit | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models | 21:13 |
| genehacker | whoa | 21:13 |
| genehacker | that's cheap as hell | 21:13 |
| drazak | exactly :) | 21:13 |
| drazak | media is cheap as hell too | 21:13 |
| drazak | the only expensive thing in cell culture is serum | 21:13 |
| genehacker | what's it made from | 21:14 |
| genehacker | bovine something rather? | 21:14 |
| drazak | fetal bovine serum | 21:14 |
| drazak | it's the serum from blood | 21:14 |
| ybit | direct link to cad files dir: http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/CAD/ | 21:14 |
| genehacker | well then can we grow cow blood? | 21:15 |
| drazak | no | 21:15 |
| drazak | sorry | 21:15 |
| drazak | it's one of those things that you can't do at home | 21:15 |
| jonathan_ | is everyone here writing a grant for the gates foundation? | 21:15 |
| genehacker | no | 21:16 |
| genehacker | only drazak | 21:16 |
| drazak | the thing with FBS is that it's already variable enough | 21:16 |
| drazak | I'm not writing a grant | 21:16 |
| drazak | for anything | 21:16 |
| drazak | anyway, FBS is variable from lot to lot in how it affects your cells | 21:16 |
| ybit | grants, what? no, not me :) | 21:16 |
| jonathan_ | annnnnnyone can apply as long as it fits under the catagories | 21:17 |
| ybit | that's a lot of n characters for one word | 21:17 |
| drazak | none of the grants are something I'd want to be working with until I get BSL3 certified | 21:18 |
| drazak | and then I could have no hackerspace minions | 21:18 |
| drazak | and would need a negative pressure culture room | 21:19 |
| genehacker | BSL3 in a hacker space? | 21:19 |
| drazak | that's what I mean :) | 21:19 |
| drazak | not gonna happen | 21:19 |
| drazak | HIV/AIDS is BSL2 | 21:19 |
| drazak | could do that stuff | 21:19 |
| genehacker | what do you want to do at Bsl3? | 21:19 |
| drazak | everything else the gates foundation offers is pretty much BSL3 | 21:19 |
| drazak | genehacker: the gates foundation grants almost all require BSL3 | 21:20 |
| genehacker | bad bad bad not even BSL2 at a hacker space | 21:20 |
| genehacker | no viruses | 21:20 |
| jonathan_ | not "everything" | 21:20 |
| jonathan_ | did you read some of the winners from prior rounds? | 21:20 |
| drazak | nome | 21:20 |
| drazak | genehacker: I'd want the TC room tobe BSL2 | 21:21 |
| genehacker | http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2009/06/arteriocyte_medical_systems_wo.html | 21:21 |
| drazak | genehacker: BSL2 is fine | 21:21 |
| genehacker | ok | 21:21 |
| drazak | I've worked in BSL2 rooms befor | 21:21 |
| drazak | adenoviruses are BSL1 | 21:21 |
| drazak | lentiviri are BSL1 | 21:21 |
| drazak | the point is: theres a lot you could do | 21:25 |
| ybit | kanzure: found another picture of you: http://ybit.ath.cx/images/dbeard.jpg | 21:27 |
| drazak | ybit: do you like, takenotes on what I say?! | 21:27 |
| * drazak runs | 21:29 | |
| ybit | drazak: no that's me procrastinating moving http://gitorious.org/diyhplus/diyhplus_org/blobs/master/todo.org to trans-tech.yaml | 21:29 |
| drazak | that's the bottom left, what's the bottom right? | 21:30 |
| ybit | trans-tech.yaml | 21:30 |
| ybit | from skdb | 21:30 |
| drazak | we'd also need some living spaces | 21:31 |
| ybit | hrm? | 21:31 |
| drazak | we'd need a bathroom, some couches, some beds, etc | 21:31 |
| ybit | my hackerspace plan isn't on-screen, where is this coming from? :P | 21:31 |
| drazak | a food fridge, microwave | 21:31 |
| drazak | me thinking outlound | 21:31 |
| drazak | I'm sure thats already planned | 21:31 |
| ybit | yeah, i wrote down most of this already | 21:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: do you know which episode that is from? | 21:32 |
| drazak | I is just commenting | 21:32 |
| ybit | are you building a hackerspace? | 21:32 |
| drazak | reiterating if you will | 21:32 |
| ybit | kanzure: yeah s2,ep1 | 21:32 |
| drazak | I'd like to help with your guyses | 21:32 |
| kanzure | ybit: thanks | 21:32 |
| kanzure | drazak: how serious are you? | 21:32 |
| drazak | if I go to Rice | 21:32 |
| * ybit decided to form two npos | 21:32 | |
| kanzure | i mean, you're more than welcome to just come live with me | 21:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: if I go to Rice or U of T, for sure | 21:32 |
| kanzure | i really don't recommend university | 21:32 |
| drazak | I'd like to go to university | 21:33 |
| drazak | :) | 21:33 |
| drazak | kanzure: I've been playing with some configurations in my head | 21:33 |
| drazak | kanzure: what sorts of spaces are you planning? | 21:33 |
| ybit | be weary of the local colleges | 21:33 |
| drazak | obviously, I'm sure, a machine shop/fab area | 21:34 |
| drazak | ybit: no local crap | 21:34 |
| drazak | as list of stuff you're thinking of having would be helpful for my idea putting togetherness | 21:34 |
| ybit | good for you | 21:34 |
| drazak | Rice is nice because it has good research stuff | 21:34 |
| ybit | ask in a month when it's mostly complete | 21:34 |
| ybit | right, that's what you need to aim for, and make sure you can stand the profs. | 21:35 |
| drazak | are you working on a layout of how you're going to have the storage containers? | 21:35 |
| ybit | but don't listen to me | 21:35 |
| drazak | if so I'd ask that if there are 2 or 3 for biology, that one of them is only connected to one other container | 21:35 |
| kanzure | why does it matter | 21:36 |
| kanzure | the point is that they are reconfigurable | 21:36 |
| kanzure | if you have an issue you can change it | 21:36 |
| drazak | they're hard to move | 21:36 |
| drazak | and presumably there will be doors between them | 21:36 |
| bkero | I need to come up with a good senior project. | 21:36 |
| kanzure | bkero: do you need to impress someone, or can you just do something you're interested in? | 21:37 |
| ybit | drazak has a point, you have to have a crane or cherry picker, and they aren't very cheap to rent.. then again if you're npo and some construction comp. is looking for a tax writeoff.. | 21:37 |
| bkero | It has to be a project that would take a year for a retarded CS student to complete. | 21:37 |
| drazak | yaml | 21:37 |
| ybit | tic-tac-toe | 21:37 |
| genehacker | calculating PI out to a googleplex | 21:38 |
| kanzure | bkero: so sounds like you want something that you can finish in a night | 21:38 |
| ybit | maybe estimating the date of easter :P | 21:38 |
| drazak | I'm not trying to find fault, they're just hard to move | 21:38 |
| kanzure | bkero: maybe a "patch and fix a bug in a project" would work here? | 21:38 |
| bkero | kanzure: This is a list of projects they're proposd. http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/listproposals2009.php | 21:39 |
| kanzure | oh these aren't entirely terrible | 21:39 |
| ybit | btw, it's cheaper to not go with the shipping containers if you want to just build, if you want to reconfigure, it's still about the same price to just knock the wall down then to pay hundreds of dollars for someone to come out there and arrange the bins | 21:39 |
| drazak | yeah | 21:40 |
| drazak | research containers are expandable, not reconfigurable | 21:40 |
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| genehacker | perhaps a big warehouse | 21:41 |
| genehacker | with roomicles | 21:41 |
| wrldpc2 | czerka | 21:41 |
| ybit | i would invite you guys to come here, but i'm sure you don't want to live in the backwoods state of al | 21:41 |
| wrldpc2 | we should just live on the moon. | 21:42 |
| genehacker | indeed we should | 21:42 |
| genehacker | and form the lunar colony selene | 21:42 |
| ybit | wrldpc2: good idea, i'm sure the aliens on the backside have couch surfing equivalent | 21:42 |
| ybit | or that | 21:42 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry headquarters didn't work out with alex lightman | 21:43 |
| kanzure | i'll be able to physically jump parijata this weekend though | 21:43 |
| bkero | ybit: Have you priced shipping containers? | 21:43 |
| kanzure | we'll see who's who then | 21:43 |
| wrldpc2 | haha | 21:43 |
| wrldpc2 | alien douchebags | 21:43 |
| ybit | bkero: as A*********** pointed out, as did my fasha: they are about 1.5k each | 21:44 |
| bkero | Damn, that's pretty expensive | 21:44 |
| wrldpc2 | Lightman's a good dude | 21:44 |
| ybit | that ebay link was misleading, they aren't 1.9k for 20 | 21:44 |
| bkero | Really really used ones are $1.5k I imagine | 21:44 |
| kanzure | wrldpc2: have you met him? | 21:44 |
| kanzure | i haven't | 21:44 |
| kanzure | he doesn't return calls | 21:44 |
| kanzure | and it's just all fishy i guess | 21:44 |
| wrldpc2 | We've had some back and forths on FB | 21:44 |
| kanzure | ? | 21:44 |
| bkero | Too bad shipping containers have terrible insulation. | 21:44 |
| kanzure | oh, facebook | 21:44 |
| kanzure | wrldpc2: well, yeah, he and i phoned each other a few tim es | 21:44 |
| ybit | someone needs sleep or modafanil ;) | 21:44 |
| kanzure | and parijata and i talked a lot | 21:44 |
| kanzure | but then nothing came of it | 21:45 |
| * ybit was referring to himself :P | 21:45 | |
| ybit | adrafanil doesn't work with lack of sleep like modafanil does, in my exp. | 21:45 |
| ybit | if you want something, you have to do it yourself. | 21:46 |
| ybit | ..with the help of others :P | 21:46 |
| drazak | anyway | 21:47 |
| drazak | I like shipping containers because they have weather protection, you can build to them cheaply, and a little bit of workand they're perfect for biology | 21:48 |
| drazak | also I'm going to bed | 21:48 |
| drazak | maybe | 21:48 |
| * ybit was about to say that.. | 21:49 | |
| ybit | i'm tucking myself into bed ;) | 21:49 |
| ybit | anywho, the cheapest way i've found is to dig a hole and use the mud | 21:49 |
| drazak | haha | 21:49 |
| bkero | @dig | 21:49 |
| ybit | + everyone loves underground laboratories | 21:50 |
| ybit | afk, but not in that dirty sense. gn. | 21:56 |
| drazak | night for me too | 21:58 |
| jonathan_ | wow. if the govt passes the health bill, we will be p0wned | 22:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | which one? | 22:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | and, the usa gov patented some of your dna, they own you anyhow | 22:10 |
| jonathan_ | the govt will decide what is appropriate health care or not, for real | 22:12 |
| genehacker | oh dear I guess (congress member here) hasn't been paying their royalty fees, guess they'd better fess up | 22:13 |
| genehacker | oh dear they've made (very large number) copies of that gene and have been using it everyday? | 22:13 |
| ybit | or stay awake, seems to be what my body wants to do. kanzure, fenn_adl how do you want methods of creating microfluidic devices placed in trans-tech? | 22:13 |
| ybit | e.g. laser scanner, t-shirt, stm, aftm, etc. | 22:14 |
| ybit | i'll just wing it, and you can edit or deny | 22:15 |
| jonathan_ | Ok i'm gonna start a sect. who wants to join. "Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual (and any qualifying child residing with such individual) for any period if such individual has in effect an exemption which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as | 22:18 |
| jonathan_ | described in such section." | 22:18 |
| jonathan_ | my "RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE" prohibits taking part in gov't plans to aid my "health" | 22:18 |
| genehacker | perhaps you should consider making your own healthcare facilities | 22:19 |
| jonathan_ | i believe private companies are fine... the gov'ts will suck balls | 22:20 |
| genehacker | have you seen the automatic surgical robots the robotics department is working on for darpa? | 22:20 |
| jonathan_ | private = competition = increased quality. govt = no competition = legacy of suck | 22:20 |
| genehacker | the videos | 22:20 |
| jonathan_ | no, i havent. though I know, those robots take years to completely succeed thru human trial tests (like 10+ years) | 22:21 |
| kanzure | i'm not too interested in obeying any health care laws that say i can't maintain my own health | 22:21 |
| jonathan_ | sure. you'll just pay 5+% tax on your income for that | 22:24 |
| genehacker | anyway this bill has a good chance of passing | 22:24 |
| genehacker | you'd better hurry up with those diy healthcare facilities | 22:24 |
| kanzure | um | 22:25 |
| kanzure | the point is that you shouldn't wait for me to do it | 22:25 |
| kanzure | why aren't you already doing it? | 22:25 |
| jonathan_ | there is no benefit to doing that, because there will be no return on investment ($$$) | 22:25 |
| kanzure | jonathan_: why do you insist on bringing money into this channel all the time? | 22:25 |
| genehacker | researched serpentine microfluidic channels today for doing pcr | 22:25 |
| kanzure | just a repetitive theme i've noticed | 22:25 |
| jonathan_ | private = competition = people invest $$ to succeed in marketplace | 22:26 |
| jonathan_ | lol, you asked about $10k yesterday | 22:26 |
| kanzure | yeah my bad | 22:26 |
| genehacker | I want a PCR disease detector | 22:26 |
| jonathan_ | you cant invest in technology w/o it | 22:26 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 22:26 |
| kanzure | just go build stuff | 22:26 |
| jonathan_ | at a minimum, you need to eat | 22:26 |
| kanzure | i seem to be doing that | 22:27 |
| jonathan_ | at a maximum, you need many employees and you need to pay them | 22:27 |
| kanzure | that's only because they demand to be paid | 22:27 |
| jonathan_ | sure | 22:27 |
| jonathan_ | then they dont work for you if you don't pay | 22:27 |
| kanzure | yawn | 22:28 |
| kanzure | that's not true | 22:28 |
| jonathan_ | there's a commune in china that has "solved" the problem for you, they make stuff | 22:28 |
| kanzure | do you have any legitimate arguments against post-scarcity agalmics or are you just bullshitting? | 22:28 |
| jonathan_ | however, they still get "paid" to make stuff, although everyone gets the same pay. | 22:28 |
| genehacker | rapid tooling doesn't need to be paid | 22:29 |
| kanzure | genehacker: a bit yesterday asked me for a few hundred bucks to be given a torque | 22:29 |
| kanzure | i smacked it upside the head | 22:29 |
| jonathan_ | it's 2009 man.. 20 years ago techies say bandwidth was supposed to be free by now.. and server space and internet hosting and and.. | 22:29 |
| kanzure | why are you comparing me to those techies? | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | ..and gnu kernal was supposed to be ready, lol | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | oh, we're talking about you now, I see | 22:30 |
| kanzure | aren't we? | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | ha, no | 22:30 |
| kanzure | this was about why you keep bringing up money into my world | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | umm | 22:31 |
| genehacker | I don't quite understand what you said kanzure | 22:31 |
| jonathan_ | you could say the same thing about the letter "e". "why do you keep using the letter e?" | 22:31 |
| jonathan_ | "why do you keep bringing the letter "e" into my world?" | 22:31 |
| genehacker | torque a bit? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | genehacker: i was bullshitting | 22:31 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:31 |
| kanzure | jonathan_: you mean to say that money is part of a grammar? | 22:32 |
| jonathan_ | yes, lemme see... | 22:32 |
| jonathan_ | "genehacker: perhaps you should consider making your own healthcare facilities" | 22:32 |
| genehacker | your world? if your a solipsist I have some very good information physics arguments disproving that | 22:32 |
| kanzure | there are many possible grammars, i don't see why i should care that you don't agree | 22:32 |
| ybit | jonathan_: i'm guessing you are speaking of open money/metacurrency? | 22:33 |
| ybit | re: 22:32 < kanzure> jonathan_: you mean to say that money is part of a grammar? | 22:33 |
| kanzure | no i am not a solipsist | 22:33 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:33 |
| jonathan_ | "build" => "invest" | 22:33 |
| kanzure | no | 22:34 |
| jonathan_ | "invest" => "resources" | 22:34 |
| kanzure | sorry building came before money | 22:34 |
| jonathan_ | "resources" => "stuff" | 22:34 |
| jonathan_ | "resources" => "people" | 22:34 |
| genehacker | not precious ore's? | 22:34 |
| kanzure | look all i'm saying is that you're wrong to insist that money is some sort of physical constant in the world | 22:35 |
| kanzure | i don't need to crack open a physics book to show you this | 22:35 |
| jonathan_ | I guess back when "building came before money", the people that didn't build were kicked out of the tribe to find their own meat. so they had a good motivation to build, eh. | 22:35 |
| genehacker | people are like $8 worth of mineral I don't think turning people into stuff is a good idea | 22:35 |
| bkero | As raw material, yes | 22:36 |
| bkero | But if you sel organs and other such things, they're worth millions | 22:36 |
| kanzure | the people that were kicked out weren't sufficiently loved obviously | 22:36 |
| jonathan_ | money represents "unit of work" | 22:36 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 22:36 |
| kanzure | how are you defining "work" | 22:36 |
| jonathan_ | how many people do you have working on your project? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | me | 22:36 |
| genehacker | is it measured in joules or calories? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | probably neither | 22:36 |
| jonathan_ | would you like to accelerate that work? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | no not if it means compromising integrity of vision | 22:37 |
| jonathan_ | how will you motivate other people to also work on "building" your project? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | some people are just naturally motivated to "do stuff" | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i.e., me | 22:37 |
| jonathan_ | how will you motivate "the best" people to also work on building your project? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | if you don't have that motivation, don't make me use your money | 22:37 |
| genehacker | anyway how do you transition to this state and don't tell me you're one of those Zeitgeist Venus Project people who don't have to explain anything | 22:38 |
| kanzure | who are you talking to? | 22:38 |
| jonathan_ | how many of "those people who are naturally motivated" exist and are available to work on your project, vs. the people who will work for pay? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | jonathan_: if you want to pay them go ahead but i really don't care | 22:39 |
| jonathan_ | which is why the gnu kernel is still, to this day, not run by anyone | 22:39 |
| genehacker | no one, it's a viral sorta thing that working it's way throught the memetic networks | 22:39 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure hurd is run by a few guys | 22:39 |
| genehacker | 30% saturation has been achieved | 22:39 |
| jonathan_ | sure, a "few guys" | 22:40 |
| kanzure | ok so it works for them | 22:40 |
| kanzure | what's the problem? | 22:40 |
| kanzure | leave them alone | 22:40 |
| genehacker | slasdot article link: linux nerd myth | 22:40 |
| jonathan_ | resources of a "few guys" != "perhaps you should consider making your own healthcare facilities"" | 22:40 |
| genehacker | have you started doing that yet | 22:41 |
| kanzure | that's only because you don't know how to do it effectively | 22:41 |
| kanzure | but remember we're changing that | 22:41 |
| genehacker | this bill could come into action soon | 22:41 |
| genehacker | GO GO GO! | 22:41 |
| jonathan_ | yeah, better be changed by tomorrow | 22:41 |
| kanzure | ok sorry i'm so slow | 22:41 |
| kanzure | maybe you should help us out? | 22:41 |
| jonathan_ | not unless you can pay, lol | 22:41 |
| jonathan_ | I gotta buy stuff "today" | 22:42 |
| kanzure | then why are you bothering me? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | seriously i'm confused | 22:42 |
| jonathan_ | oh, we're talking about you? ha | 22:42 |
| jonathan_ | I sense a circle here | 22:42 |
| kanzure | there might be one | 22:42 |
| kanzure | so you don't want to help make healthcare facilities | 22:42 |
| kanzure | is that right? | 22:43 |
| kanzure | but because i do, and i don't care about money, there's a circle? | 22:43 |
| jonathan_ | I think you're missing the "time" variable | 22:44 |
| kanzure | yeah if only i was better | 22:44 |
| kanzure | maybe i could get it done sooner? | 22:44 |
| jonathan_ | or, if you had more "resources" you could get it done sooner | 22:45 |
| jonathan_ | "resources" => "invest" => "stuff" + "people" | 22:45 |
| kanzure | sorry what does this have to do with money | 22:45 |
| kanzure | just seems like common sense to me | 22:45 |
| genehacker | so build more ore refineries? | 22:46 |
| kanzure | seems reasonable to me | 22:46 |
| jonathan_ | ore refineries? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | yeah that's how you can extract and refine ore-related resources | 22:47 |
| kanzure | it's not magic | 22:47 |
| genehacker | anyway how do we transition to the no pay world? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | genehacker: by building what we need | 22:48 |
| genehacker | how is that done | 22:48 |
| kanzure | well first you look at what you need | 22:48 |
| kanzure | then you go ask skdb how to make it | 22:49 |
| kanzure | then you follow the instructions and make stuff | 22:49 |
| genehacker | ok but does skdb do that yet? | 22:49 |
| genehacker | how do you get skdb to that level? | 22:49 |
| kanzure | working on it | 22:49 |
| genehacker | what work is necessary | 22:49 |
| kanzure | well we have to input more data into the system | 22:49 |
| kanzure | so the way that this works in the software world is that you find software on the web | 22:50 |
| kanzure | and you say "hey, that should be included in the repo" | 22:50 |
| kanzure | and then you package it up and submit it for inclusion | 22:50 |
| kanzure | then everyone can use it by just getting the package and having skdb take care of it | 22:50 |
| kanzure | instead of manually installing it or manually figuring out how to build something | 22:50 |
| kanzure | etc. | 22:50 |
| genehacker | ok how do I put something in the repo? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | so what this means is that we have to either make our own hardware projects or harvest them from other free hardware projects on the web | 22:50 |
| kanzure | you can get an ftp/ssh account i guess | 22:50 |
| genehacker | package to be included in repo: primitive photolithography machine | 22:51 |
| kanzure | or you could email me the files, or filebin them, or sneakernet me the files | 22:51 |
| kanzure | do you have those CAD models? | 22:51 |
| genehacker | ok how do I make a CAD file | 22:51 |
| kanzure | because i'd be very interested in including those in skdb | 22:51 |
| genehacker | no | 22:51 |
| kanzure | wait wtf | 22:51 |
| genehacker | I don't | 22:51 |
| kanzure | don't you know CAD tools? | 22:51 |
| genehacker | a CAD file of something I don't have | 22:51 |
| kanzure | right that's why it's hard | 22:51 |
| kanzure | we can't just make shit up | 22:52 |
| kanzure | in some cases we can but then we need to also doubly test it as well | 22:52 |
| genehacker | so how do we make a CAD file of (expensive hardware here) | 22:52 |
| kanzure | i mean, what's the point of this giant database of mechanical components that just immediately fail when you try to do anything :( | 22:52 |
| kanzure | in many cases it's going to have to be an original design i think | 22:52 |
| genehacker | uh.... | 22:52 |
| kanzure | otherwise you might get sued | 22:52 |
| kanzure | or people will shoot you | 22:53 |
| kanzure | at least, that's the threat that they usually give | 22:53 |
| genehacker | it's expensive to test mechanical components | 22:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:53 |
| kanzure | yes that's true | 22:53 |
| kanzure | but there are simple tests you can do | 22:53 |
| kanzure | whether or not something within a given tolerance actually works maybe | 22:53 |
| genehacker | I'll start designing a guided missile launching system immediately | 22:53 |
| kanzure | or whether or not the tolerances don't make sense | 22:53 |
| kanzure | cool | 22:53 |
| kanzure | i think that we should start with the basics though | 22:54 |
| genehacker | well we don't have anything to make the stuff to make the missile factory | 22:54 |
| kanzure | because if you have a launch bay, loading mechanism, and a missile/rocket, then the missile bay is easy to design | 22:54 |
| kanzure | right | 22:54 |
| kanzure | we have to start with simple components and tools | 22:54 |
| kanzure | that's why fenn has been so eager to start with screws | 22:54 |
| genehacker | but wire guided rockets are fairly simple and can use 50's era electronics | 22:54 |
| kanzure | screws are pre-50s | 22:54 |
| kanzure | er | 22:55 |
| genehacker | do metric screws | 22:55 |
| kanzure | right? | 22:55 |
| kanzure | yeah we've done metric | 22:55 |
| genehacker | so you're doing screws? | 22:55 |
| genehacker | you can get files for those EVERYWHERE | 22:55 |
| kanzure | hey if you know of any open source parametric screws i'd like to know about them | 22:56 |
| genehacker | make sure to have screw making machines too | 22:56 |
| kanzure | that are already modeled | 22:56 |
| genehacker | use the internet | 22:56 |
| kanzure | yeah that's a dependency on the screw right now (at least for the "build dependencies") | 22:56 |
| kanzure | well i've searched for open source machine components before and found nothing, sorry | 22:56 |
| kanzure | so i really doubt its existence | 22:56 |
| genehacker | I'm sure there are files of them somewhere in old format | 22:56 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't mean it's open source | 22:57 |
| genehacker | does it matter? | 22:57 |
| kanzure | yep | 22:57 |
| kanzure | greatly | 22:57 |
| genehacker | no it doesn't | 22:57 |
| genehacker | just get the files | 22:57 |
| genehacker | the asm handbook isn't opensource | 22:58 |
| genehacker | but it's free | 22:58 |
| kanzure | but we can't fork it | 22:58 |
| kanzure | and we can't sell it | 22:58 |
| kanzure | and it has all sorts of nasty copyrights on it | 22:58 |
| kanzure | but don't get me wrong it's a good reference guide of course | 22:58 |
| kanzure | for instance i've been using the machinist's handbook | 22:58 |
| kanzure | to encode information into skdb | 22:59 |
| genehacker | anyway if just you and fenn are doing screws it's going to take a long time to get to medical devices | 22:59 |
| genehacker | also try patents | 22:59 |
| kanzure | do you consider a gel box to be a medical device? | 22:59 |
| kanzure | i dunno if i do | 22:59 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:59 |
| genehacker | point taken | 22:59 |
| kanzure | no really i don't know | 22:59 |
| genehacker | can you make it from scratch? | 22:59 |
| genehacker | what about the electronics and copper? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | just the box | 23:00 |
| genehacker | ok so how long is it going to take to get to a milling machine? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | actually i'm looking at the todo list in skdb | 23:01 |
| kanzure | and we have this list of stuff that we want to package up | 23:01 |
| kanzure | it's a pretty lame list | 23:01 |
| kanzure | so complete this pattern: | 23:01 |
| genehacker | should I wrangle up some people on the internet to do the job for us? | 23:01 |
| kanzure | screws, threads, bearings, washers, .. what comes next? | 23:01 |
| genehacker | a damn lot | 23:01 |
| kanzure | well yeah | 23:01 |
| genehacker | other fastening systems | 23:01 |
| kanzure | what about besides fasteners? | 23:02 |
| genehacker | machining process, forming processes, stuff that can't be modeled yet | 23:02 |
| genehacker | empirical data | 23:02 |
| kanzure | maybe a small dc motor is a good package to add next? | 23:02 |
| genehacker | how do you make the motor? | 23:02 |
| kanzure | i'm not really thinking straight at the moment-- | 23:03 |
| genehacker | hmm... we could probably pay chinese guys to do this | 23:03 |
| kanzure | there's a few ways to figure out "what to do next with skdb" | 23:03 |
| genehacker | I'm not either | 23:03 |
| genehacker | oh dc motor | 23:03 |
| kanzure | one way is to look at the packages that are already in skdb | 23:03 |
| genehacker | got it | 23:03 |
| kanzure | and look at the dependencies | 23:03 |
| kanzure | and then you say "is there an skdb package for that yet?" | 23:03 |
| kanzure | and if not, you go make it | 23:03 |
| kanzure | another way is to pick a random direction and just start there | 23:04 |
| kanzure | but you can't pick something too complex because you won't be able to use any of the skdb packages to make it | 23:04 |
| kanzure | er | 23:04 |
| kanzure | i don't mean "complex" but i mean "stuff that uses a lot of other stuff not in skdb" | 23:04 |
| genehacker | ok how about just a wax milling machine | 23:04 |
| genehacker | http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:802 | 23:04 |
| genehacker | thingiverse has somesort of dependency system | 23:05 |
| genehacker | anyway we need more brains | 23:05 |
| genehacker | like a lot | 23:05 |
| kanzure | stl files? | 23:05 |
| kanzure | what is the dependency system on thingiverse? | 23:05 |
| genehacker | there's no way you and fenn can have digitize everything yourself within a reasonable time frame | 23:06 |
| genehacker | tools | 23:06 |
| kanzure | oh "required tools" | 23:06 |
| genehacker | anyway we need to get people to do this for us | 23:07 |
| kanzure | anyway maybe those dxf files can be converted to something more useful | 23:07 |
| kanzure | it looks like it's under a BSD license | 23:07 |
| kanzure | well yeah | 23:07 |
| genehacker | why don't we set up a point system for skdb | 23:07 |
| kanzure | a what? | 23:07 |
| genehacker | points or a moderator system | 23:07 |
| genehacker | moderators give points to skdb packages | 23:08 |
| kanzure | what for? | 23:08 |
| kanzure | what do the points indicate | 23:08 |
| genehacker | to motivate people | 23:08 |
| genehacker | how good or bad a package was | 23:08 |
| kanzure | there's actually some code that i was writing along those lines | 23:08 |
| kanzure | you say "here's the package i just made" | 23:08 |
| kanzure | and it reads it and then yells at you if it sucks | 23:08 |
| genehacker | make a gui for making packages | 23:09 |
| kanzure | this is "validation"-style not a creativity sensor | 23:09 |
| genehacker | people are lazy | 23:09 |
| genehacker | that's fine too | 23:09 |
| fenn | i'd just like to point out that the asm is not free beer or speech | 23:09 |
| fenn | UT has a paywall subscription | 23:09 |
| kanzure | genehacker is behind the paywall so he wouldn't know that | 23:09 |
| genehacker | oh oops | 23:10 |
| genehacker | wonder what else this paywall works on... | 23:10 |
| genehacker | anyway kanzure make it easier for people to make submissions | 23:10 |
| kanzure | is it hard right now? | 23:11 |
| fenn | points is a popularity contest? | 23:11 |
| genehacker | also can we setup a site that isn't named skdb but is skdb, so I can wrangle people to it and we need not worry if people try to mess it up | 23:12 |
| genehacker | no points are determined by moderators | 23:12 |
| kanzure | so you mean quality reviews? | 23:12 |
| fenn | so a politicized popularity contest? | 23:12 |
| genehacker | moderators are determined by metamoderators who moderate the moderaters | 23:12 |
| fenn | this sounds pretty dumb | 23:12 |
| kanzure | an endless hierarchy of metamoderators! | 23:12 |
| fenn | just use a trust network | 23:13 |
| genehacker | it's a pyramid with main mods at top | 23:13 |
| fenn | "people you know like this project" | 23:13 |
| fenn | i'm trying to get away from the whole rigid hierarchy thing | 23:13 |
| kanzure | sleep mode | 23:13 |
| fenn | it's sooo 20th century | 23:13 |
| genehacker | Ok kanzure I want to submit a part I made in superdesignCAD where's the box I click to upload superpart.sdc to? | 23:14 |
| fenn | you publish it on gitweb? | 23:16 |
| fenn | er, github | 23:16 |
| genehacker | where's the file upload box? | 23:16 |
| genehacker | surely you have one? | 23:16 |
| fenn | it's not like we won't have a website but nobody's bothered to write one yet | 23:16 |
| genehacker | then write one | 23:16 |
| fenn | you write one | 23:16 |
| genehacker | I can't I'm a user of SKDB | 23:17 |
| fenn | what's better a website with nothing on it, or no website and a bunch of useful stuff? | 23:17 |
| genehacker | we need to wrangle people to do stuff for us | 23:17 |
| fenn | also i'm sort of afraid of what kind of submissions we'll get, if there are no 'good' examples up first | 23:18 |
| genehacker | there won't be any good examples up first | 23:18 |
| fenn | then i spend my entire time "educating" people how much their contributions suck, which is bad for morale all around | 23:18 |
| genehacker | hence the point system | 23:18 |
| genehacker | people do irrational things for points | 23:18 |
| fenn | but everyone loves thingiverse even though it sucks | 23:19 |
| genehacker | why is that? | 23:19 |
| fenn | because they use twitter! | 23:19 |
| genehacker | no | 23:19 |
| genehacker | it's because it's easy to use and polished | 23:19 |
| genehacker | plus it was made by Bre Pettis, a pretty popular guy | 23:20 |
| fenn | that's what i mean | 23:20 |
| fenn | an asshole who stole reprap | 23:20 |
| fenn | and works for a proprietary publishing company | 23:20 |
| fenn | don't expect me to like it | 23:21 |
| genehacker | one option is to push thingverse toward doing what we want skdb to do and then steal files from it | 23:21 |
| genehacker | hmmm... you wouldn't happen to Know a Matthias Lang would you? | 23:24 |
| fenn | no | 23:25 |
| genehacker | or any good facial recognition programs capable of recognizing faces from a provided picture | 23:26 |
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| fenn | i haven't looked into it but there are several | 23:35 |
| fenn | start with opencv i guess | 23:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | i thought all those face recog programs in airports did only false positives | 23:36 |
| genehacker | that will not be necessary | 23:38 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 23:41 |
| genehacker | I definately won't need it | 23:41 |
| fenn | failure is not a requirement | 23:42 |
| fenn | i'd rather it just feed me the raw statistical certainty | 23:43 |
| fenn | i seem to have lost an hour | 23:44 |
| fenn | what happened from 2200 to 2300? | 23:44 |
| fenn | guess i was reading the backlog? didn't think i was that slow | 23:45 |
| ybit | http://diybioforum.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&oldid=186 :: pr0n spam! | 23:58 |
| ybit | where are these schematics fo a bci kanzure, from cosmeng | 23:59 |
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