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| katsmeow-afk | Product quality of our company steady noise low air blower have wind amount heavy. | 02:33 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_%28soft_drink%29 | 02:44 |
| genehacker | name generation problem solved | 02:44 |
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| drazak | ah yes | 07:41 |
| drazak | ELISA here I come | 07:41 |
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| kanzure | meeting with ms. atacama at 2 pm today | 08:52 |
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| kanzure | hello Trooem | 09:03 |
| Trooem | wow hey | 09:03 |
| Trooem | that was fast | 09:03 |
| Trooem | or is this somekind of autoscript | 09:03 |
| Trooem | ... | 09:04 |
| kanzure | no, it's me | 09:04 |
| Trooem | oh nevermind | 09:04 |
| kanzure | however some people suspect that i might be entirely made up of an autoscript | 09:04 |
| Trooem | so i saw your facebook profile | 09:04 |
| kanzure | sorry | 09:04 |
| kanzure | it's just a bunch of crap | 09:04 |
| Trooem | you're a big guy | 09:04 |
| Trooem | im intimidated lol | 09:04 |
| Trooem | sorry imon my umpc, writing on a foldable keybaord it sucks | 09:05 |
| kanzure | umpc? | 09:05 |
| Trooem | hehehe | 09:05 |
| Trooem | ultra mobile micro pc type of thing | 09:05 |
| kanzure | my fingers are too big for those | 09:05 |
| Trooem | sony ux series | 09:05 |
| Trooem | haha yeah you a big guy | 09:05 |
| Trooem | i'm the little marketing asian dude so how is that gonna work for a partnership | 09:06 |
| Trooem | lol | 09:06 |
| Trooem | im devising plans at the moment | 09:06 |
| Trooem | to get started earlier | 09:06 |
| Trooem | without risking yours or my head | 09:07 |
| Trooem | oh yeah i shouldn;'t talk on irc | 09:07 |
| Trooem | about it | 09:07 |
| Trooem | lol | 09:07 |
| kanzure | you get to be the ninja, remember? | 09:07 |
| Trooem | nevermind | 09:07 |
| Trooem | haha i guess so | 09:07 |
| Trooem | LOL | 09:07 |
| Trooem | you can be the giant minotaur with the battle axe | 09:08 |
| Trooem | and super intelligence LOL | 09:08 |
| Trooem | i'll be the discreet illegal one err | 09:08 |
| Trooem | with ninja stars | 09:08 |
| Trooem | hehhe | 09:09 |
| Trooem | i shall send you a email shortly,,... | 09:10 |
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| Trooem | gtg get some sleep bbl | 09:22 |
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| kanzure | he likes to talk | 09:35 |
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| drazak | mmm elisa and pcr | 10:14 |
| drazak | AT THE SAME TIME BITCHES | 10:14 |
| drazak | I forgot how much I can get done if I spend a whole day at the lab | 10:14 |
| drazak | I can run the gel for the pcr today, perfect | 10:15 |
| genehacker | damn | 10:15 |
| genehacker | that's productive | 10:15 |
| drazak | and I can go out to lunch while my elisa incubates and my pcr runs | 10:15 |
| drazak | :D | 10:15 |
| kanzure | twiddling your thumbs while the pcr runs isn't what i call being productive :) | 10:34 |
| ybit | any67878480: madison is about one hour east of me, right beside huntsville. i must have slept through the storm. | 10:35 |
| * ybit is off work today for columbus day :P | 10:37 | |
| ybit | think the bosses were taking off to do something today, so they needed me to. you know it's not very important if google doesn't change their logo :) | 10:38 |
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| ybit | what do you guys do away from the computer? do you allot some time for play? | 10:40 |
| fenn | no. fun is prohibited | 10:41 |
| ybit | hehe, seriously, i feel like i'm unproductive by just sitting at the computer 24hr/day, my mind starts to wonder and i lose motivation to do what it is that i started out to do | 10:42 |
| ybit | so i thought that maybe splitting my day into chunks would help, 3hrs of productive work, 1.5 hours of playtime away from the computer, repeat 3x | 10:43 |
| fenn | does anyone else find it ironic that they only broadcast "sunrise earth" around dawn localtime | 10:43 |
| kanzure | no we just find it sad | 10:43 |
| fenn | ybit: try tai chi | 10:44 |
| ybit | fenn, thanks for the reminder, i forgot to look that up. some guy @ a hackerspace was mentioning that to me. very interesting guy who graduated from g.tech a long time ago studying a.i. and worked at nasa ames | 10:45 |
| ybit | he was also big into chinese medicine | 10:45 |
| ybit | fenn: but what do you do? | 10:46 |
| ybit | also, some guy gave me an email address to some transhumanist girl in washington or maybe it was oregon, i should probably email her and get her in here | 10:46 |
| ybit | bkero, drazak, kanzure, what about you guys? | 10:49 |
| ybit | drawing on his 35 years of training in qigong and his western scientific background as a physics professor and PhD in ME... | 10:54 |
| ybit | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7268914786991911921# | 10:54 |
| ybit | spiritual enlightment..well that just ruined it | 10:54 |
| fenn | ybit: cry myself to sleep, mostly | 10:56 |
| fenn | qigong is all about spiritual crap | 10:57 |
| fenn | tai chi is strictly practical, unless you're american | 10:57 |
| kanzure | ybit: s/wonder/wander/ ? | 10:57 |
| fenn | ybit: also it's quite possible you have an unproductive environment.. TV going, people interrupting or even just in the same room can be distracting | 10:58 |
| fenn | or IRC that blinks at you whenever some idiot says something | 10:59 |
| kanzure | i feel like i'm tripping over myself when writing code with django | 10:59 |
| kanzure | django is not pythonic, i'm sorry | 10:59 |
| fenn | anyway computers are time sinks, so you probably are wasting your life if you try to use them meaningfully | 10:59 |
| fenn | django sucks | 11:00 |
| kanzure | i have all these hacks | 11:00 |
| kanzure | what are these people thinking though? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | there's so much hype around this | 11:00 |
| fenn | what are you thinking? why are you using it? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | if i wanted to hack together spaghetti code, i could just spit out bullshit php | 11:00 |
| kanzure | i'm using it because people have recommended it to me i guess | 11:00 |
| fenn | how about something like cherrypy | 11:00 |
| kanzure | what happened to pyjs and pyjamas-desktop? | 11:01 |
| fenn | thats just for fancy UI desktop metaphor bullshit | 11:01 |
| fenn | making HTML is altogether different endeavor | 11:01 |
| fenn | (imho) | 11:01 |
| kanzure | i looked at it the other day and it wasn't what i expected | 11:02 |
| kanzure | i thoguht it had some way to generate gtk guis from something, and then generate html from that same something | 11:02 |
| fenn | it's basically python bindings to google web toolkit | 11:02 |
| kanzure | *thought | 11:02 |
| fenn | and it's really slow, which i guess doesn't matter really | 11:02 |
| ybit | i'd always thought that if i were to use a python web app framework, i'd go with pylons. | 11:16 |
| ybit | fenn: crying yourself to sleep doesn't sound like a fun activity :P | 11:16 |
| ybit | i don't have blinking lights or beeps on this computer, i get to highlighted messages when i feel like it | 11:17 |
| ybit | +for IRC | 11:18 |
| drazak | kanzure: I wasn't really twidling my thumbs, I did some of the ELISA and then ate lunch | 11:33 |
| drazak | both are noble causes | 11:33 |
| ybit | more suggestions for acitivities which help to refresh the mind? | 11:38 |
| ybit | i don't advocate it, nor do i plan on doing either, but the day after being high or spending the entire day gaming, you feel like such as waste of humanity, the next day you (or at least i) spend the entire day being productive | 11:39 |
| fenn | don't take it for granted | 11:40 |
| fenn | i can go weeks without doing anything productive :P | 11:41 |
| drazak | I can't go more than a few hours without doing something productive | 11:41 |
| bkero | ybit: sure | 11:43 |
| ybit | bkero: go on.. | 11:43 |
| bkero | ybit: Invite her in here? | 11:54 |
| ybit | :P | 12:06 |
| ybit | i thought you were about to comment on 10:49 < ybit> bkero, drazak, kanzure, what about you guys? | 12:06 |
| drazak | what was all that about | 12:06 |
| drazak | I missed the question | 12:06 |
| drazak | :D | 12:07 |
| ybit | 10:40 < ybit> what do you guys do away from the computer? do you allot some time for play? | 12:07 |
| ybit | 10:42 < ybit> hehe, seriously, i feel like i'm unproductive by just sitting at the computer 24hr/day, my mind starts to wonder and i lose motivation to do what it is that i started out to do | 12:07 |
| ybit | 10:43 < ybit> so i thought that maybe splitting my day into chunks would help, 3hrs of productive work, 1.5 hours of playtime away from the computer, repeat 3x | 12:07 |
| drazak | I dunno man | 12:08 |
| drazak | I just do whatever crap I have to do whenever I have to do it | 12:08 |
| drazak | I set timers | 12:08 |
| drazak | "need t4o change antibodies in an hour" | 12:08 |
| ybit | i think the problem here is that i'm not seeing progress. i probably should use org-mode more thoroughly to chart out my progress. right now, i'm disappointed in that i don't see many projects being completed. | 12:10 |
| drazak | dude | 12:10 |
| drazak | I don't even know what projects I'm working on | 12:10 |
| drazak | I come in and every time dr. lee changes his mind | 12:10 |
| ybit | when i mention productivity, i'm referring to coding, designing, experimentation, and reading/acquiring knowledge | 12:11 |
| drazak | "lets work on x" next week "lets work on y" the week after "I wanted to look at Z" the week after "lets loook at X again" | 12:11 |
| kanzure | goalism is over rated | 12:12 |
| ybit | but i suppose there are more ways to be productive, that's all i'm listing atm. | 12:15 |
| ybit | drazak: i suppoe what you are saying is you just do and don't think too much into how productive you are | 12:16 |
| ybit | kanzure: and you are saying that becoming too goal orientied can waste in itself, aka meta-rot | 12:16 |
| ybit | be wasteful* | 12:16 |
| fenn | <- goalie | 12:16 |
| fenn | i was the star of my soccer team in first grade | 12:17 |
| drazak | if you have like 6 goals that you work on relatively simultaneously then you're nmot being wasteful | 12:17 |
| kanzure | don't goalies *stop* goals from being achieved? | 12:17 |
| fenn | kanzure: why do you have to be so negative!!! | 12:18 |
| kanzure | maybe you were a bad player | 12:18 |
| ybit | he was the star for the other teams ;) | 12:18 |
| fenn | it's true... i made it all up | 12:18 |
| fenn | those bastards never kept any records.. how am i supposed to brag about my accomplishments if they won't even publish my victory? | 12:19 |
| ybit | they published my stats online and then deleted them | 12:19 |
| * ybit had one of the top 5 batting average in the southeast junior olympic league at one point :P | 12:20 | |
| ybit | yay! i can brag now and look idiotic, w00t | 12:20 |
| ybit | more braggin? okay. i had a baseball scholarship and lost it because i was showing off my dunking skills and ruptured a disk in the lower back region, probably the best thing that ever happened to me | 12:23 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/album_0093.jpg see see i'm a real human, honest | 12:24 |
| ybit | ..because i realized i wouldn't be playing sports and started pursuing my other passions: science.. read all i could and got up to speed on a lot of stuff those months while lying in bed, it helped that the local library would bring me books whenever i needed them (was a ref. librarian at the time of killing my back) | 12:25 |
| ybit | hehe | 12:25 |
| ybit | your pads are on backwards :P | 12:25 |
| ybit | were you in the 'special' league ;) | 12:25 |
| * ybit also played soccer growing up | 12:26 | |
| kanzure | we all played soccer? | 12:27 |
| ybit | it doesn't matter, but at that age, you should be playing with a size 3 ball | 12:27 |
| kanzure | .. why? | 12:27 |
| ybit | parents pushed for it | 12:27 |
| * ybit guesses | 12:27 | |
| fenn | because they didnt do kickball in little league? | 12:27 |
| fenn | i think i started playing soccer with the international grad students from the chemistry department | 12:29 |
| fenn | postdocs and stuff, at summer barbecue | 12:29 |
| ybit | i remember mentioning some really cool science projects to my parents several times and each time i was told "oh that's nice, shouldn't you be outside playing some ball" no lie. | 12:31 |
| ybit | wanted to build a hoverboard once when i was ~7 and my grandfather just lied to me instead of explaining to me that he didn't know.. i eventually figured it out and wanted to plug a small motor to the skateboard, and they wouldn't go with it. | 12:32 |
| ybit | but you can't blame the parents for everything, i could have found interests in other things i suppose, which i did: videogames > computers > programming | 12:32 |
| * ybit did have a chem set growing up, and a basic electronics kit as well. so it all wasn't put to waste, just not very efficient | 12:34 | |
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| CIA-23 | djangit: kanzure master * r6f47ad1 / docs/architecture : urlconf resolution plan (next: write unit tests for urls) - http://bit.ly/TvGjT | 12:42 |
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| drazak | kanzure: you must not read many diybio threads, I feel that most of the people on diybio are stupid enought o use those sorts of interfaces | 14:32 |
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| ybit | kanzure's presenting a better way of doing thing things imho, though it simply is just an alternative to what you recommended drazak. there are over 900 people on the list, i'm sure some will prefer your method drazak | 14:39 |
| drazak | I'm not saying to nto add the functionality to add programs and all that | 14:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.moonsociety.org/moonbasesim/moonbase_analogs_net.html | 14:40 |
| drazak | I'm saying that her idea of making ti select different running variables based on the primers is retarded | 14:40 |
| kanzure | "A Team of Advisers, including from the Moon Society, is assisting the Air Force in Chile in designing a modular analog research team to simulate activities on both Moon and Mars in the Atacama desert near the growing complex of world-class observatories there. This collaboration has been arranged by TATA, The Astronaut Teacher Alliance based in San Diego, already involved in planning outreach for the new Inca del Sol Observatory. | 14:41 |
| kanzure | The command module will be the wingless fuselage of a surplus Hercules C130B cargo plane. Additional modules may be soil-shielded Quonset huts (simulating buried cylinders). The design is in flux, but they have a firm target date for initial deployment of March 2010. " | 14:41 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/moonmars | 14:41 |
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| ybit | kanzure: you never went on to explain your work with the atacama desert colonization project | 14:42 |
| kanzure | "the design is in flux"? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | ybit: i can do better than that.. i have all of my logs from all of my chats on that project over the span of 3 years | 14:42 |
| drazak | ... | 14:43 |
| drazak | crazyness | 14:43 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/chats/chats/agaboogamonger_Mar5th02005.html | 14:43 |
| kanzure | but don't bother reading it, it's really not that good | 14:43 |
| kanzure | anyway the plan was to go to the atacama and rebuild most of civilization from scratch | 14:43 |
| kanzure | it was part of a philosophy (calxism) that roughly translates as "goalism" | 14:44 |
| kanzure | so i and two others (sean, kurt) werew orking on this full time for a while | 14:45 |
| drazak | what is atacama | 14:48 |
| kanzure | a desert in chile | 14:48 |
| genehacker | did you plan on building compressed air dome cities | 14:48 |
| kanzure | no | 14:48 |
| genehacker | the driest place on earth drazak | 14:48 |
| genehacker | supposedly even bacteria have trouble living there | 14:48 |
| drazak | lovely | 14:49 |
| drazak | definitely the place I want to live | 14:49 |
| * drazak eyerolls | 14:49 | |
| genehacker | the spice must flow | 14:49 |
| kanzure | so we were planning the whole infrastructure, writing code and discussing philosophy (i don't know why) | 14:50 |
| kanzure | it has no relation to the current project | 14:50 |
| ybit | calxia.com is dead | 14:50 |
| kanzure | but srsly, thanks lazyweb | 14:50 |
| kanzure | yeah it's been dead for a while | 14:51 |
| ybit | so this calxism is? | 14:51 |
| kanzure | what? | 14:51 |
| ybit | 14:44 < kanzure> it was part of a philosophy (calxism) | 14:51 |
| ybit | just wondering what this calxism was | 14:51 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/calxism/ | 14:51 |
| ybit | it's a saying for how the project progressed? | 14:51 |
| ybit | oh | 14:52 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/calxism/quick.html | 14:52 |
| kanzure | i'm going to move the index file to a .bak file so you can see the files in that directory | 14:52 |
| kanzure | alright, have fun | 14:52 |
| kanzure | these were from 2005, the timestamps lie :( | 14:54 |
| genehacker | how would the atacama project work? | 14:54 |
| genehacker | massive water recycling, greenhouses, robot factories? | 14:55 |
| kanzure | they're using this: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/7/7/1195771.jpg | 14:55 |
| kanzure | yep | 14:55 |
| kanzure | basically if i was to go back now and redo the idea of calxia i'd basically say "ok implement a space habitat on earth, using skdb as the backend" | 14:56 |
| kanzure | that's basically the idea. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | but i got into the calxia idea before i was thinking straight about skdb | 14:56 |
| genehacker | ok well talk to me later | 14:56 |
| kanzure | why | 14:56 |
| genehacker | I have to g | 14:56 |
| ybit | so it's monday, kanzure, do you have time to help start this diy-h+ archive? :) | 14:59 |
| kanzure | i'm not at the lab today. i think i should just upload files manually. | 15:00 |
| kanzure | er, not manually, but from here | 15:00 |
| ybit | http://hatta-wiki.org/ | 15:00 |
| ybit | djangit for mercurial | 15:01 |
| kanzure | nice | 15:01 |
| ybit | not sure how nice it really is though | 15:02 |
| kanzure | oh it's in python :) | 15:05 |
| kanzure | ah, cherrpy | 15:05 |
| ybit | holy crap, aye? | 15:05 |
| ybit | or am i the only one who says 'holy __' anymore? :P | 15:07 |
| kanzure | http://tata1.org/Chile-agreement/1_ChileCalproposal.pdf | 15:13 |
| ybit | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4039164/Mythbusters.S06E06.MacGyver.Special.PROPER.HDTV.XviD-FQM :: mythbusters macgyver special | 15:14 |
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| ybit | this works better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p55A9SYrqCE | 15:21 |
| kanzure | retrofit MMARS habitat with necessary infrastructure (Peter Kokh, Dan Fouts, Ben Husset and local talent); | 15:23 |
| drazak | My ELISA results look good, but the increase isn't significant | 15:30 |
| * drazak sighs | 15:30 | |
| kanzure | "This group will work on a paper to introduce the idea of an International Lunar Research Park with key roles for Contractors, Enterprises, and Academia along with the various national space agencies. The goal is to set up something that over time will naturally morph into the 1st lunar settlement." | 15:34 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/international-lunar-resarch-park/ | 15:34 |
| kanzure | Dave Dietzler? | 15:34 |
| bkero | That sounds like a place I could escape my persecution. | 15:35 |
| kanzure | Dave Dietzler <pioneer137@yahoo.com> | 15:36 |
| drazak | fuck ELISAs | 15:36 |
| drazak | I want an ELISA machine | 15:44 |
| bkero | Make one :P | 16:03 |
| bkero | If something is worth doing, it's worth doing yourself :P | 16:03 |
| kanzure | ben husset seems to be the author of the "moon miner's manifesto" | 16:07 |
| kanzure | http://freespaceshot.com/ free trips around the moon (only for kids <13 yrs) | 16:09 |
| drazak | bkero: I have nfc how | 16:10 |
| kanzure | oh snap | 16:12 |
| kanzure | so that's who this "peter kokh" guy is? | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "Peter Kokh joined NSS, then NSI (National Space Institute) as "Life Member #2" shortly after it was founded by Werner von Braun in 1974." | 16:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.lunar-reclamation.org/bio_pk.htm | 16:12 |
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| kanzure | does anyone have a git2hg tool laying around? | 16:23 |
| ybit | wanting to give hatta-wiki a shot? | 16:27 |
| ybit | http://hg-git.github.com/ | 16:30 |
| ybit | http://wiki.darcs.net/RelatedSoftware/Tailor is what you are looking for kanzure | 16:33 |
| ybit | nm | 16:33 |
| ybit | http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ConvertExtension there | 16:33 |
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| kanzure | ybit: i'm going through some old emails. | 17:44 |
| kanzure | 2005-09-01: | 17:44 |
| kanzure | sacha chua emailed me | 17:44 |
| kanzure | so there. | 17:44 |
| drazak | do any of you knwo hwo to do a ptest? | 17:45 |
| ybit | kanzure: um, okay, heh. what'd she want? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | something for her article | 18:06 |
| kanzure | about productivity tools? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | my first CFD book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070016852/qid=1134278131/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-7227723-2284041?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 | 18:06 |
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| ybit | hi bct_ | 19:07 |
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| drazak | ybit: do you remember orgchem? | 19:13 |
| ybit | of course.. not :) | 19:16 |
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| drazak | http://www.webassign.net/userimages/kasandbe@ncsu/CH221_08_ACS_e.gif | 19:16 |
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| bkero | awesome ms paint. Thanks wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prophage.JPG | 19:39 |
| kanzure | Total 4745 (delta 2942), reused 2044 (delta 1139) | 20:23 |
| kanzure | importing Git objects into Hg | 20:23 |
| kanzure | abort: Not a directory: /home/kanzure/local/hg-git/skdb-hg/doc/todo/TODO | 20:23 |
| kanzure | (not that it matters) | 20:27 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/blog/439-hg-git-mercurial-plugin | 20:52 |
| kanzure | bonus points for whoever can figure out when the real comments stop and the bots start | 20:52 |
| kanzure | the last few comments get pretty sophisticated | 20:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: it wouldn't be the end of the world if different developers put their skdb packages in different repositories | 20:56 |
| kanzure | but are you going to insist that all packages that i make be git? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | er be in a git repo | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to sort out the architecture needed for the website | 20:58 |
| kanzure | definitely a gallery of projects, and the documentation pages etc. would be under revision control | 20:58 |
| kanzure | but those projects/packages could just as easily be on other wikis somewhere | 20:58 |
| kanzure | maybe the web front should be a front-end like aptitude except for hardware? | 20:58 |
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| kanzure | i wonder why http://kaixin001.com/ (a popular chinese social networking site) links to heybryan.org | 21:29 |
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| genehacker | your papers | 21:33 |
| genehacker | that's why | 21:34 |
| ybit | so kanzure, you are switching to hatta-wiki? | 21:36 |
| fenn | git can be converted to hg and vice-versa, but it's not something you want to do all the time | 21:37 |
| ybit | fenn: have you two talked about switching? | 21:37 |
| fenn | especially because the conversion will probably get flubbed by us amateurs all the time | 21:37 |
| ybit | djangit to hatta? | 21:37 |
| fenn | ybit: no, i don't even know what hatta is, besides samrose likes it | 21:37 |
| fenn | all i remember is not being terribly impressed | 21:38 |
| ybit | okay then, what's all this conversion stuff for? | 21:38 |
| fenn | "are you going to insist that all package tht i make be git?" | 21:38 |
| fenn | smari thinks it's OK for no two developers to speak the same language | 21:39 |
| fenn | i think that's a bunch of crap | 21:39 |
| kanzure | i'm kind of embarrassed about how terrible djangit's codebase is | 21:40 |
| kanzure | cherrpy is nice and sweet | 21:40 |
| fenn | insecure as hell though | 21:40 |
| kanzure | but hatta-wiki is hg-only. although it wouldn't be too hard to replace its 6 calls to mercurial | 21:40 |
| fenn | is hatta good? i mean comparable to dokuwiki? | 21:40 |
| kanzure | anyway, why did we need a web front? | 21:40 |
| kanzure | no | 21:40 |
| fenn | so ignoramuses can contribute | 21:41 |
| kanzure | what do you mean "contribute" | 21:41 |
| fenn | data | 21:41 |
| kanzure | a front end to a package validator/checker? | 21:42 |
| fenn | right | 21:42 |
| kanzure | ok what else is on thes ite | 21:42 |
| kanzure | *the site | 21:42 |
| fenn | a list of packages, renderings of cad files, links between packages and idioms | 21:42 |
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| fenn | user pages, wiki-like howto crap | 21:43 |
| kanzure | does it bother you that we don't actually have any content to display on said site? | 21:43 |
| fenn | look at the todo list | 21:43 |
| fenn | yes | 21:43 |
| kanzure | righto | 21:43 |
| ybit | so hatta or djangit? | 21:43 |
| fenn | it's not an either or choice | 21:44 |
| kanzure | your git repo is compatible with both | 21:44 |
| kanzure | (er, more or less) | 21:44 |
| ybit | right, but the site is using which? | 21:44 |
| fenn | don't ask me | 21:44 |
| kanzure | i'm perfectly ok fixing up djangit a bit more, it's just going to look like shit | 21:45 |
| kanzure | the advantage of this is that other django apps can be dropped in to add "functionality" to the site | 21:45 |
| ybit | you tell me which one to work on | 21:45 |
| kanzure | you're working on something? | 21:45 |
| kanzure | djangit, fix its bullshit | 21:45 |
| ybit | about to | 21:45 |
| ybit | are you sure that's what we want? | 21:45 |
| ybit | it may be quicker to use hatta if it's had more development time | 21:46 |
| fenn | i don't see anything particularly alluring about django, but kanzure seems to think it's worth something | 21:46 |
| fenn | all i really want is a html/python template system | 21:46 |
| kanzure | oh? | 21:47 |
| kanzure | i used to hack together these websites in php that were absolutely terrible | 21:47 |
| kanzure | but they were mostly a templating system | 21:47 |
| kanzure | with cracks and crannies filled in with database queries | 21:47 |
| ybit | fenn: /me is in the need of such a system as well | 21:47 |
| kanzure | mysql_connect, mysql_select_db, mysql_query, mysql_fetch_array, is all one ever needed to know.. back in 2002. | 21:48 |
| fenn | some html_repr method wouldn't be too awful? | 21:48 |
| ybit | but i don't want to work on two systems, so i'll implement whatever it is that fabgalaxy implements :) | 21:48 |
| kanzure | fabgal? | 21:48 |
| ybit | no | 21:48 |
| fenn | galfab | 21:48 |
| ybit | :P | 21:48 |
| fenn | the hentai video game where you make the perfect fembot | 21:48 |
| ybit | though i must say you might get a lot more people interested in it, if only because they were mislead to believe they would receive something else | 21:49 |
| ybit | aka nerds implementing 'mad science'-like gal | 21:49 |
| ybit | er, weird science* | 21:49 |
| kanzure | do we really not have any useful content for a website? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | jeebus | 21:50 |
| fenn | guess i'm a perv.. i have a thing for chii | 21:50 |
| kanzure | i tried to get into chobits once, | 21:50 |
| ybit | plenty of content | 21:50 |
| kanzure | but it was hard without reading the manga or watching the anime | 21:50 |
| kanzure | ybit: where? | 21:50 |
| ybit | the interwebs | 21:50 |
| kanzure | no i mean in skdb | 21:50 |
| fenn | yeah i tried playing with computers but using a mouse or keyboard is just too hard | 21:51 |
| kanzure | ? | 21:51 |
| ybit | kanzure: you ready to walk me through the directory tree? | 21:51 |
| ybit | now i have something to do, get paths.py working | 21:52 |
| kanzure | it's mostly self-explanatory | 21:52 |
| kanzure | do any of the folders not make sense? | 21:52 |
| * ybit just took a look. nope | 21:53 | |
| ybit | looks self-explanatory | 21:53 |
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| ybit | and plus iirc, most of smari's work is in clients | 21:53 |
| kanzure | and inventory? maybe | 21:54 |
| ybit | kanzure: what were you saying about combined.dat? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | i was asking if you have that file | 21:55 |
| ybit | oh yeah, it's there | 21:56 |
| ybit | the complaint is about def units_happy(self, call_string, rval): | 21:56 |
| ybit | that function | 21:56 |
| ybit | File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/core/units.py", line 60, in units_happy | 21:56 |
| ybit | raise UnitError, str(call_string) + ': ' + str(rval) | 21:56 |
| ybit | skdb.core.units.UnitError: pi/2 radians: Unknown unit 'pi' | 21:56 |
| ybit | *** glibc detected *** python: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09f59270 *** | 21:56 |
| kanzure | that complaint still happens? | 21:56 |
| kanzure | if you look at combined.dat do you see "pi" in there? | 21:56 |
| ybit | yeah, i haven't looked at it since the other day | 21:56 |
| ybit | no | 21:57 |
| kanzure | supplemental.dat there? | 21:57 |
| kanzure | do you have units installed yet? | 21:58 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~$ pastebinit /home/heath/projects/skdb/core/combined.dat | 21:58 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/f564d39e8 | 21:58 |
| ybit | there's supplemental_units.dat | 21:58 |
| ybit | yes, i have units installed | 21:58 |
| kanzure | check it for "pi" in supplemental_units | 21:58 |
| ybit | nope | 21:58 |
| kanzure | units '2pi' | 21:59 |
| kanzure | units -v | 21:59 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ pastebinit supplemental_units.dat | 21:59 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/f4177ee47 | 21:59 |
| kanzure | is togetic still online? | 21:59 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ units '2pi' Definition: 6.2831853 | 21:59 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ units -v | 21:59 |
| ybit | 2411 units, 71 prefixes, 33 nonlinear units | 21:59 |
| ybit | yeah | 21:59 |
| kanzure | units version? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | i have 1.87 | 22:00 |
| ybit | units --version | 22:00 |
| ybit | GNU Units version 1.87 | 22:00 |
| kanzure | check /usr/share/misc/units.dat on line 581 | 22:00 |
| kanzure | sorry line 757 | 22:00 |
| kanzure | (just search for 3.14) | 22:00 |
| ybit | circlearea(r) [m;m^2] pi r^2 ; sqrt(circlearea/pi) | 22:00 |
| ybit | that's l581 | 22:01 |
| kanzure | line 757 is more important | 22:01 |
| ybit | i see | 22:01 |
| kanzure | is it there? | 22:01 |
| ybit | yeah | 22:01 |
| ybit | it recognizes pi, we knew that from units '2pi' | 22:01 |
| * ybit wasn't trying to offend ya. come back! :P | 22:05 | |
| fenn | pi/2 radians is from threads.py right? | 22:05 |
| fenn | or are you running paths.py? | 22:06 |
| ybit | fenn: i'm trying to run paths.py | 22:06 |
| fenn | hmm SetRotation | 22:07 |
| * fenn blames kanzure | 22:07 | |
| ybit | seems it's from geom.py | 22:08 |
| ybit | /home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py: def SetRotation(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians")): | 22:08 |
| ybit | /home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py: def __init__(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians"), parent=None, description=None): | 22:08 |
| fenn | paths.py shouldn't even be using geom.Transformation | 22:08 |
| fenn | kanzure: i haven't run it in a month or so, so if paths.py doesn't work it's probably something you did | 22:09 |
| ybit | the traceback: http://pastebin.ca/1617124 | 22:09 |
| ybit | File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> | 22:09 |
| ybit | from geom import * | 22:09 |
| ybit | File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py", line 123, in <module> | 22:09 |
| ybit | class Transformation(gp_Trsf): | 22:09 |
| ybit | File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py", line 166, in Transformation | 22:09 |
| ybit | def SetRotation(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians")): | 22:09 |
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| fenn | i'm guessing somewhere in the mountain of steeming doodoo that is OCC_shape | 22:11 |
| fenn | omg why does skdb take 10 seconds to load | 22:14 |
| fenn | ybit launch a python shell and do import skdb; angle=skdb.Unit("pi/2 radians") | 22:15 |
| ybit | good call | 22:16 |
| ybit | same error | 22:16 |
| fenn | i don't get any error. why? | 22:19 |
| * ybit grabs the latest | 22:20 | |
| ybit | well, that didn't do anything :P | 22:21 |
| ybit | L22-37 might be of relevance | 22:26 |
| ybit | ..of units.py | 22:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: paths.py crashes for me because of driver issues. when i reboot into 2.6.26, it works just fine | 22:27 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~$ cat /proc/version | 22:31 |
| ybit | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-19) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 | 22:31 |
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| ybit | can you do that? | 22:43 |
| ybit | [+- | 22:43 |
| ybit | ] | 22:43 |
| * ybit thought you were supposed to give two characters if you use - | 22:44 | |
| ybit | am looking at sci = '([+-]?\d*.?\d+([eE][+-]?\d+)?) | 22:46 |
| * ybit doesnt' like cathal garvey's lack of citing sources | 22:49 | |
| ybit | will a few of you send me stats from ping -c 3 http://ybit.ath.cx | 23:06 |
| ybit | 3 or more | 23:07 |
| fenn | ybit: http://pastebin.ca/1617199 | 23:09 |
| ybit | ty fen | 23:10 |
| fenn | digital camera noise fingerprinting: "Fridrich's lab analyzed 2,700 pictures taken by nine digital cameras and with 100 percent accuracy linked individual images with the camera that took them." | 23:10 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/images/ew.png | 23:13 |
| kanzure | http://protoforge.org/ | 23:33 |
| kanzure | http://sourceforge.net/projects/protoforge/ | 23:38 |
| kanzure | it kind of sucks though | 23:38 |
| kanzure | what's the point? | 23:38 |
| kanzure | various crappy blog posts: http://blogs.seds.org/oed/ | 23:39 |
| ybit | take your pick for a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth | 23:45 |
| ybit | or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythological_creatures look at See Also | 23:52 |
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