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| kanzure | so the skdb website is now running opencascade simultaneously | 01:32 |
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| kanzure | suprisingly the site doesn't take forever to load | 01:32 |
| bkero | I'm eating kittens. | 01:32 |
| kanzure | you're eating dirt | 01:32 |
| kanzure | and you like it | 01:32 |
| bkero | pssh | 01:32 |
| bkero | These kittens are probably a bit dirty | 01:32 |
| bkero | So yea | 01:33 |
| kanzure | you planning on heckling me at the conference? | 01:33 |
| kanzure | did you decide it's too far? | 01:33 |
| bkero | If I make it down there | 01:33 |
| bkero | Yea | 01:33 |
| bkero | Oh wait! | 01:34 |
| bkero | I might have winter break then | 01:34 |
| bkero | In which case I'd just drive down | 01:34 |
| * bkero makes a mental note of looking at a calendat next time he's next at a computer. | 01:35 | |
| bkero | calendar* | 01:35 |
| genehacker | eating kittens | 01:42 |
| genehacker | seems you've been spending too much time online | 01:43 |
| genehacker | I want a tundish | 01:47 |
| genehacker | does skdb have a list of refractories? | 01:47 |
| genehacker | if not | 01:59 |
| genehacker | time to add one | 01:59 |
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| kanzure | hello lazzareth__ | 09:46 |
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| kanzure | fenn: do you know how to pass locals() to a cheetah template? | 10:06 |
| fenn | that's a good idea.. but no | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | http://neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-explicit-self-has-to-stay.html | 12:44 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r 640fa5d /clients/web.py: really bad unit tests for cherrypy | 12:58 |
| fenn | '/home/some/page/new/' should be '/home/some/page/new' or '/home/some/page/new?foo=123&bar=456' | 13:03 |
| fenn | how do you know 'new' is the command in the second example? (/x/y/z/new/1/2/3) | 13:05 |
| fenn | i dont like the reserved keywords.. for example what if i have a directory 'source'? | 13:06 |
| fenn | i like the @cherrypy decorators | 13:12 |
| fenn | what is 'vpath' in PackageFront? and what is PackageFront? | 13:13 |
| fenn | where does PackageIndex come from? | 13:15 |
| kanzure | PackageIndex comes from templates/ | 13:15 |
| kanzure | templates/ is currently not committed | 13:15 |
| kanzure | vpath in the "default" methods is the second argument..er.. i mean, def blah(stuff, goes, here, *vpath, **keywords) | 13:15 |
| kanzure | this sets positional arguments into vpath | 13:16 |
| kanzure | and keyword arguments into keywords | 13:16 |
| fenn | from templates import * | 13:16 |
| fenn | ImportError: No module named templates | 13:16 |
| kanzure | positional arguments in http://blah.com/blah/goes/here/ are "blah goes here". the keyword arguments are the GET or POST variables. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | fenn: i told you it's not committed | 13:16 |
| fenn | i was debugging concurrently with the explanario | 13:16 |
| kanzure | explanidad? | 13:17 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 13:17 |
| kanzure | if you want to quickly make templates/ do this: | 13:17 |
| kanzure | mkdir templates | 13:17 |
| kanzure | touch templates/__init__.py | 13:17 |
| kanzure | touch templates/IndexTemplate.tmpl | 13:17 |
| fenn | a primitive invertebrate organism resembling a proper explanation | 13:17 |
| kanzure | cd templates; cheetah compile IndexTemplate | 13:17 |
| fenn | well i still wouldnt have PackageIndex or whatever | 13:18 |
| kanzure | easy_install Cheetah; easy_install TurboCheetah; | 13:18 |
| kanzure | oh, well, touch templates/PackageIndex.tmpl | 13:18 |
| fenn | you can apt-get cheetah | 13:18 |
| kanzure | they are not interesting | 13:18 |
| kanzure | and contain just "foo" and "bar" respectively | 13:18 |
| kanzure | my output on CherryBase.default should be helpful | 13:21 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/x/y/z/ | 13:21 |
| fenn | is the _url stuff from cherrypy? | 13:21 |
| kanzure | no that's me | 13:22 |
| kanzure | class Url is totally me | 13:22 |
| fenn | shouldnt you do somethink like: for (k,v) in url.__dict__: setattr(self, k, v) | 13:23 |
| fenn | erm. copy(v) | 13:23 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:23 |
| fenn | that whole thing is sorta confusing | 13:24 |
| kanzure | sorry, where? | 13:24 |
| fenn | i dont think you should call it a url, whatever it is | 13:24 |
| fenn | you've got commands and paths and so on | 13:24 |
| fenn | "a url is parsed into a Url." is just weird | 13:25 |
| kanzure | cherrypy gives the *blah argument as a tuple to a method | 13:25 |
| kanzure | so then i convert this tuple and play around with it with Url | 13:25 |
| kanzure | but i'm open to calling it something else | 13:25 |
| kanzure | s/tuple/n-uple/ | 13:25 |
| fenn | url = Url(extra) | 13:25 |
| fenn | that's where you're getting the data | 13:26 |
| kanzure | ok and extra was the *extra argument | 13:26 |
| fenn | well it's weird because it's not a url anymore, it's a path and a command right? | 13:27 |
| kanzure | it wasn't a url to begin with i guess | 13:27 |
| kanzure | #cherrypy says it is a "virtual path" or "path segment" | 13:33 |
| kanzure | (#cherrypy is on oftc) | 13:35 |
| kanzure | 13:36 <@fumanchu> that's a term from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt | 13:40 |
| kanzure | 13:36 <@fumanchu> path-abempty = *( "/" segment ) | 13:40 |
| kanzure | 13:37 <@fumanchu> so in '/foo/bar/baz' there are 3 segments | 13:40 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/x/y/z/ | 14:40 |
| kanzure | "extra" is the "virtual path" | 14:40 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:40 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/x/y/z/ | 14:41 |
| fenn | x/y/z/ is the virtual path, but is it also command keyword arguments? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | but in this case: http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units123/x/y/z/ the virtual path is units123/x/y/z | 14:41 |
| kanzure | the reason why /units/x/y/z did not have "units" in the virtual path was because "units" was in the object tree | 14:41 |
| kanzure | in the case of /x/y/z/ there are no commands in the virtual path | 14:41 |
| fenn | why would i want "extra"? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | i consider "edit" to be a command | 14:41 |
| kanzure | as a cherrypy developer? | 14:42 |
| fenn | what does "extra" represent? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | it is the "virtual path" that cherrypy gives the "default" method (CherryBase.default in web.py) | 14:42 |
| fenn | why not web.py/units?x=inch&y=furlong | 14:42 |
| kanzure | er that works.. | 14:43 |
| fenn | x and y are keywords | 14:43 |
| kanzure | yessir | 14:43 |
| kanzure | not positional | 14:43 |
| fenn | sfw | 14:43 |
| kanzure | please note | 14:44 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/?one=50+m&two=2km | 14:44 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/?ZZZZZ=50+m&xxxx=2km | 14:45 |
| kanzure | the keyword variable names do not matter in my example | 14:45 |
| kanzure | so don't confuse it with /units/x/y/z | 14:45 |
| fenn | ok.. i understood that | 14:45 |
| fenn | what does units/x/y/z mean? | 14:45 |
| fenn | what are x/y/z | 14:45 |
| kanzure | in this case they are random mashings of my keyboard | 14:45 |
| fenn | i just dont get what avirtual path is supposed to be | 14:45 |
| fenn | it's not an object, it's not a file, it's not a command.. wtf is it! | 14:45 |
| kanzure | look again | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/x/y/z/ | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units123/x/y/z/ | 14:46 |
| kanzure | in one case "units123" is part of the virtual path | 14:46 |
| kanzure | in the other "units" is not a part of the virtual path | 14:46 |
| fenn | that's just because units123 wasn't found | 14:46 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:46 |
| kanzure | so it "goes as far as it can" | 14:47 |
| kanzure | and then it calls farthest_matched_thingy.default(virtual_path, keywords) | 14:47 |
| fenn | bleah | 14:47 |
| fenn | you have no idea what a virtual path is, do you | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i just told you | 14:47 |
| kanzure | the virtual path is everything that was not matched to something in the cherrypy object tree | 14:48 |
| fenn | it's "something that's not there" | 14:48 |
| kanzure | well it doesn't have to be a "something" | 14:48 |
| fenn | sounds more like a "nonexistent path" to me | 14:48 |
| kanzure | it can be whatever farthest_matched_thingy wants to interpret it as | 14:49 |
| kanzure | so for instance one valid "virtual path" is a SHA string | 14:49 |
| kanzure | (you shouldn't/will not have an object with the same name as that SHA ;-)) | 14:49 |
| fenn | do you actually have a valid use case in mind for this? | 14:49 |
| kanzure | yes specifying the SHA | 14:49 |
| fenn | not the SHA thing, but vpath in general | 14:49 |
| kanzure | originally yes but now that /package/screw/data/edit has "data" as a File object, File.edit can probably take over | 14:50 |
| kanzure | originally i was going to use virtual paths to figure out what page a user wanted to edit | 14:50 |
| fenn | why doesn't it say "path is: ( | 14:50 |
| kanzure | where? | 14:50 |
| fenn | why doesn't it say "path is: ('web.py', 'units')" | 14:50 |
| fenn | instead of x, y | 14:51 |
| kanzure | that made sense until you asked "instead of" | 14:51 |
| fenn | since x, y is the "virtual path" (thereby implying there is a real path) | 14:51 |
| kanzure | web.py is "broken off" by cherrypy i think | 14:51 |
| kanzure | or possibly apache? | 14:51 |
| kanzure | probably cherrypy | 14:51 |
| fenn | fine, then just "path is: ('units')" | 14:51 |
| kanzure | the output is misleading | 14:52 |
| kanzure | really that should say "virtual path is: " | 14:52 |
| fenn | ok | 14:52 |
| kanzure | hm that probably screwed you up | 14:52 |
| fenn | no | 14:52 |
| kanzure | it has great screwup potential | 14:52 |
| fenn | yes | 14:52 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if "default" is going to be used like this now that fumanchu has shown me __getattr__, which makes much more sense for what we want to do | 14:54 |
| kanzure | though it is peculiar that cherrypy insists on hijacking the getattr of a class for its nefarious purposes.. | 14:54 |
| kanzure | why not just a "__cpgetattr__" or something | 14:54 |
| kanzure | http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/RestfulDispatch | 14:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.cherrypy.org/wiki/PageHandlers#OtherDispatchers | 14:55 |
| fenn | how does it hijack __getattr__? i mean when does that get turned on? | 14:56 |
| kanzure | if there is a custom __getattr__ defined, it uses it | 14:56 |
| fenn | ok, so you just do that manually | 14:56 |
| kanzure | right i figure that some packages might want their own custom __getattr__ for something | 14:56 |
| kanzure | (who knows) | 14:56 |
| kanzure | so it wouldn't be nice to force cherrypy upon them | 14:57 |
| fenn | having a hard tim following the restfuldispatch example | 14:57 |
| kanzure | a hard who?! | 14:57 |
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| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r f1aaea9 / (clients/web.py core/package.py): working on Packages view for keeping packages together | 15:46 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r 387957a / (clients/web.py core/package.py core/skdb.py): rename Packages to PackageSet | 15:50 |
| * kanzure configures apache for local testing | 15:54 | |
| kanzure | better than pushing code that i haven't checked | 15:54 |
| fenn | is it easier to set up cherrypy with its own web server? | 15:58 |
| kanzure | i tried it and it didn't work | 15:59 |
| kanzure | sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi, then edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and add in AddHandler wsgi-script .py for a certain <Directory> element in the config file | 16:00 |
| kanzure | i need a better way to deal with extra_paths at the top :( | 16:04 |
| fenn | what is all that for? | 16:05 |
| kanzure | apache doesn't have the right pythonpath variables apparently | 16:06 |
| fenn | /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages should already be in sys.path | 16:06 |
| fenn | i thought you werent using mod_python | 16:06 |
| kanzure | i'm not | 16:09 |
| * drazak sits on kanzure | 16:28 | |
| fenn | i just want to point out that web.py is a server, not a client | 16:28 |
| kanzure | it is not a server | 16:32 |
| fenn | is too | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | cherrypy has a built-in server if you want | 16:32 |
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| * drazak is still at the motherfucking lab | 18:31 | |
| drazak | I should do some inventory | 18:31 |
| drazak | but I'm tired as hell | 18:31 |
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| kanzure | metaclass conflict: the metaclass of a derived class must be a (non-strict) subclass of the metaclasses of all its bases | 20:23 |
| kanzure | metaclass conflict: the metaclass of a derived class must be a (non-strict) subclass of the metaclasses of all its bases | 20:23 |
| kanzure | TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases module.__init__() takes at most 2 arguments (3 given) | 20:30 |
| kanzure | when you request /packages/lego/part/1 from web.py, | 21:31 |
| kanzure | you can see the opencascade "loading step file" message crap (like how long it takes to load each step file) in the server logs | 21:31 |
| kanzure | pretty cool :) | 21:31 |
| drazak | kanzure: what do you think of a primer on pipetting and other basic techniques? | 21:37 |
| kanzure | i have never seen a primer on pipetting | 21:38 |
| drazak | I've seen a couple | 21:39 |
| kanzure | what's the normal HTTP response code? not 302, but what? | 21:42 |
| kanzure | 405? | 21:44 |
| kanzure | ah, 200 | 21:44 |
| kanzure | heee unit tests :) | 21:44 |
| ybit | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101185 | 21:52 |
| ybit | bkero: know of anything better, you're always up on this kind of stuff :-) | 21:53 |
| ybit | ..for this price or less | 21:53 |
| ybit | last time we talked about laptops, you suggested the t4220, but i want performance from the lappy | 21:54 |
| kanzure | Writing memories with light-addressable reinforcement circuitry | 21:54 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Writing%20memories%20with%20light-addressable%20reinforcement%20circuitry.pdf | 21:54 |
| * kanzure tries to hook up to heybryan.org:8080 but finds a wild gnurd living there | 21:58 | |
| kanzure | hmph | 21:58 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r ca0e58e / (6 files in 3 dirs): partial package view on cherrypy server | 22:02 |
| bkero | ybit: ew core solo | 22:30 |
| bkero | ybit: http://cgi.ebay.com/FUJITSU-P1620-CORE2-DUO-1-2GHZ-2048MB-40GB-VISTA-WIFI_W0QQitemZ290360066579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item439acf0213 | 22:33 |
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| ybit | huh, i was thinking it was dual | 22:40 |
| bkero | Core Solo | 22:42 |
| bkero | Big ol' pile of horse shit | 22:42 |
| ybit | i just don't see me paying that much for those specs when for $75 you can get 210 more gig of storage and an extra gig of ram | 22:42 |
| ybit | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834200027 | 22:42 |
| bkero | Higher resolution, tablet | 22:42 |
| bkero | Better battery life | 22:42 |
| bkero | It's an ultra-low voltage | 22:42 |
| bkero | Higher PPI | 22:43 |
| bkero | Dock | 22:43 |
| bkero | Dual battery charger, case | 22:43 |
| ybit | wonder if that's the screen made for outdoors, because there were two screens for that model | 22:44 |
| bkero | I have one. It's resistive touch, matte | 22:45 |
| bkero | You can get active digitizers on ebay for about $50 | 22:45 |
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| drazak | kanzure: I haven't been flamed for bitching about synbio... yet | 22:53 |
| drazak | I need to put together a more well written bitch about synbio | 22:53 |
| ybit | bkero: the only reason i can think to have a tablet notebook (unless it's the n900 touch tablet/phone/gps/camera) is for drawing a facial hair on my personal pictures | 22:54 |
| ybit | though i imagine it is useful, sometimes, in reducing prototyping in something like inkscape | 22:55 |
| ybit | +time | 22:55 |
| ybit | bkero: anything else it's useful for? | 22:57 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r f5f329e /clients/ (templates/PackageView.tmpl templates/__init__.py web.py): PackageView, another template, etc. | 23:07 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r 633a0f7 /clients/web.py: forgot to include the right template | 23:10 |
| ybit | i also forgot to mention that the tablet is ddr2, most notebooks at that price now have an extra gig and are running on ddr3 | 23:17 |
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