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| Utopiah | !seen fenn | 09:31 |
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| Utopiah | do you guys want a Supybot instance? for this and publishing daily logs? | 09:32 |
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| ybit | Utopiah: i suppose it couldn't hurt | 11:15 |
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| kanzure | ybit: fenn and i were thinking of not sleeping. $50/night looks ok but honestly i think we could do better if we find some transhumans to sleep with. | 12:27 |
| kanzure | ybit: togetic seems to be down? 71.228.183.181 | 12:28 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to be located at ybit.ath.cx either | 12:28 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: do you have a link to fenn sleeping/activity patterns? iirc he even made colorful visuals | 12:28 |
| kanzure | QuantumG is still around and posts frequently to slashdot. percent thinks i'm the devil and will kill all humans indirectly (and "perhaps directly") | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i'll have to go look at the mailbox in a bit. i'm at the wrong location. | 12:29 |
| kanzure | ybit: kottke is going to have to find some other friends, 6hr is too long | 12:30 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: http://fennetic.net/sleep/ | 12:30 |
| Utopiah | thanks kanzure | 12:30 |
| kanzure | ybit: i was trying to log in to fix your # | 12:31 |
| kanzure | skdb.core.units.UnitError: pi/2 radians: Unknown unit 'pi' | 12:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: you should send paper requests also to getarticles@googlegroups.com, and when you get responses, forward the papers to papers@postbiota.org | 12:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: do people not read the most recent posts before the post to diybio? | 12:39 |
| drazak | I repeated 4 times that GFP was a bad idea | 12:39 |
| kanzure | in general they do not read | 12:43 |
| kanzure | (anything) | 12:43 |
| kanzure | eric hunting just repeated pepakura information from over a year ago from open manufacturing, for instance | 12:43 |
| kanzure | that's something he should have known about back then | 12:43 |
| drazak | that Cathal guy seems to be pretty on top of everything | 12:48 |
| drazak | it's just some of the other moron on the list that have no fucking clue | 12:48 |
| drazak | about anything, really | 12:48 |
| kanzure | i can't seem to find any cheap automatic book scanners that either flip pages or take in a stack of pages. kirtas-tech.com sells one used for $100k USD (wtf) | 12:49 |
| kanzure | my mom made a deal with me- if, in the move, i give up 4 boxes of books, she would buy me a book scanner | 12:49 |
| drazak | get her to spring for the 100k$ one then | 12:49 |
| drazak | :P | 12:49 |
| kanzure | no way, how is it that there's nothing cheaper on ebay? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i mean, even a $10k used one? really, nothing? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | iirc, xerox machines have this feeder-paper-bay for bulk throughput scanning | 12:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.davidco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9328 suggests an industrial paper cutter (400 pg/cut) | 12:53 |
| kanzure | lots of those on ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=industrial+paper+cutter&_sacat=See-All-Categories | 12:54 |
| kanzure | and then a pass-through scanner. how do you tell how big the input bay is? (how many pages it can hold without snapping in half or not accepting more paper)? | 12:56 |
| ybit | oh yeah, i forgot percent became a defender of dumbland | 13:07 |
| ybit | 12:32 < kanzure> ybit: you should send paper requests also to getarticles@googlegroups.com | 13:08 |
| ybit | ah forgot i was on that group | 13:08 |
| ybit | why not the lego book scanner? | 13:08 |
| ybit | s/dumbland/non-free&open land? | 13:10 |
| ybit | something like that | 13:10 |
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| ybit | kanzure: so what's this sabbatical you and fenn have been on? :-) | 13:47 |
| kanzure | moved down the street | 13:47 |
| * kanzure suspects ybit isn't metric | 13:58 | |
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| drazak | kanzure: what time is it in texas? | 15:05 |
| ybit | 3:02 drazak | 15:06 |
| ybit | cst like mine | 15:06 |
| ybit | er, 3:09 my clocked isn't synced :\ | 15:07 |
| genehacker | it is 3:11 pm | 15:08 |
| ybit | drazak: why do you ask? :-) | 15:08 |
| drazak | because I wasn't sure if it was CST or the next one west | 15:08 |
| ybit | genehacker: what classes are you taking this semester, just curious after you mentioned them last night. | 15:08 |
| genehacker | are you in texas drazak? | 15:09 |
| drazak | no | 15:09 |
| drazak | I'm in ny | 15:09 |
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| drazak | but I might go to rice or that school you guys are at | 15:10 |
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| genehacker | ybit I'm taking hard ones | 15:10 |
| genehacker | the lab for one is insane | 15:10 |
| genehacker | as in it takes 48 hrs of work to complete a lab assigment | 15:15 |
| ybit | genehacker: okay, so what courses are you taking? :P | 15:16 |
| ybit | genehacker: drazak is in buffalo, ny | 15:16 |
| genehacker | why do you ask? | 15:16 |
| ybit | because i'm curious | 15:16 |
| genehacker | ok | 15:16 |
| genehacker | materials processing, statistics, fluids, materials processing lab, and the horror of the old ones | 15:17 |
| ybit | hehe | 15:18 |
| genehacker | I have omitted some though | 15:18 |
| ybit | that's fine, probably just basics or something like that | 15:19 |
| ybit | those are what i was interested in | 15:19 |
| ybit | i've never been able to handle more than 16hrs | 15:20 |
| genehacker | I don't think it's more than 16hrs | 15:20 |
| genehacker | yet it's still insane | 15:20 |
| ybit | i'm sure it is | 15:20 |
| * ybit is looking for multimachine parts list, about to head to the junkyard and round up most of them for my exercise today | 15:21 | |
| genehacker | a working multimachine? | 15:22 |
| genehacker | impossible | 15:22 |
| ybit | surely | 15:22 |
| genehacker | doe the multimachine just bend stuff? | 15:22 |
| ybit | http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/13335163/homepage/name/homepage.jpg?type=sn makes me think it exists | 15:22 |
| ybit | "The MultiMachine is an accurate all-purpose machine tool that can be used as a metal or wood lathe, end mill, horizontal mill, drill press, wood or metal saw or sander, surface grinder and sheet metal "spinner". It can be built by a mechanic using just common hand tools. For machine construction, electricity can be replaced with "elbow grease" and all the necessary material can come from discarded vehicle parts and steel bar."d | 15:23 |
| genehacker | http://users.telenet.be/O-tiose/images/sasquatch01.jpg | 15:25 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/misc_docs/How%20to%20build%20a%20multimachine.pdf | 15:26 |
| ybit | omfg, imagine that. http://opensourcemachine.org/the-multimachine/multimachine-video | 15:35 |
| ybit | ..it works | 15:36 |
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| genehacker | ok | 15:43 |
| genehacker | then | 15:43 |
| genehacker | good luck | 15:43 |
| ybit | heh, thanks. i figure it's something to play around with afk | 15:46 |
| genehacker | almost forgot | 15:47 |
| genehacker | I learned of something amazing the other day | 15:47 |
| genehacker | amazing software that does the impossible | 15:48 |
| genehacker | software that does fatigue testing in software | 15:48 |
| ybit | genehacker: link? | 15:54 |
| ybit | or just a name of the program.. | 15:57 |
| ybit | you can't leave me hanging with "oh i have this great life-changing secret, well ttyl" :-) | 15:57 |
| drazak | i'm leaving to go to ac/dc in a few | 15:58 |
| ybit | A study in humans published in 2006 hints at a link between | 16:02 |
| ybit | Parkinson's and a prolonged exposure to amphetamine in any form (not just | 16:02 |
| ybit | that prescribed for ADHD). | 16:02 |
| ybit | ...Before Parkinson's symptoms such as tremors and | 16:03 |
| ybit | muscle rigidity appear, however, dopamine's function in the brain must | 16:03 |
| ybit | decline by 80 to 90 percent, or by about twice as much as what Ricaurte and | 16:03 |
| ybit | his colleagues saw in baboons that were drinking a more moderate dose of the | 16:03 |
| ybit | drug. And some studies have found no connection between stimulant use and | 16:03 |
| ybit | Parkinson's. | 16:03 |
| genehacker | they feed in electron microscope data and it tells where an engine block will fail | 16:06 |
| genehacker | I have no link | 16:06 |
| genehacker | that is the problem | 16:06 |
| genehacker | I heard about it from a friend | 16:06 |
| genehacker | but if we could apply it to skdb it would allow skdb to do pretty much everything | 16:07 |
| ybit | if you could get that friend to recall the name of it, that would be appreciated | 16:16 |
| drazak | mmmm ac/dc | 16:17 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i know you are aware of it, but maybe you have forgotten, if the $10k funding falls through, y-combinator might be an option later on, they will fund you ~$15k for a couple of months so that you can prepare to have a product ready to be presented to VCs. | 16:39 |
| ybit | http://ycombinator.com/ | 16:39 |
| Utopiah | iirc #startups has people with Y-Combinator funding | 16:40 |
| ybit | thanks Utopiah | 16:43 |
| ybit | "Heath, everything begins at 9 am both Saturday and Sunday. There will be a | 16:45 |
| ybit | party Saturday night. Ticket prices are still $150, but go up for each 50 | 16:45 |
| ybit | that we sell. " | 16:45 |
| * ybit will have to double the dosage of stimulants to be the least bit attentive that early | 16:46 | |
| ybit | or at least 20mg | 16:46 |
| ybit | drazak: enjoy that concert, represent the channel and do something nerdy | 16:47 |
| * ybit wonders who bct, boogles, branstrom, chizu, flamoot, kanzure, ve, and zvader are. | 16:58 | |
| ybit | -kanzure | 16:58 |
| ybit | er, s/kanzure/ kardan_ | 16:59 |
| branstrom | Fairly recently converted h+ wannabe from Sweden | 16:59 |
| ybit | branstrom: we're all transhuman wannabes :) | 17:00 |
| ybit | branstrom: what are your research interests and hobbies? | 17:00 |
| branstrom | I've read a lot of Dennett... Then I read On Intelligence. Then I started reading Overcoming Bias & Less Wrong. | 17:01 |
| ybit | who here do you know? how did you hear about the channel? do you like cream with your coffee? ;) | 17:01 |
| branstrom | I'm working on my GED to get into college and study AGI/neuroscience | 17:02 |
| branstrom | Don't know anybody here :) | 17:02 |
| ybit | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grossmont.edu%2Fbertdill%2Fdocs%2FCollegeWaste.pdf ;; "College is a Waste of Time and Money" | 17:02 |
| branstrom | I think I found a link somewhere on a website to this channel. Coffee tastes like donkey poo. | 17:03 |
| ybit | and yet i keep going back to it | 17:03 |
| ybit | it, being college | 17:04 |
| ybit | think this may be my third time to sit out for a semester | 17:04 |
| branstrom | Interesting, I'll take a look at that article. | 17:05 |
| ybit | let's see.. i've sat out more than that... wow, 3.5 years, total, i've sat out | 17:05 |
| branstrom | I'm probably a good fit for college though... | 17:06 |
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| ybit | i fit in well, just get tired of it | 17:07 |
| kardan_ | hi ybit, just found your ping but didnt get the context | 17:10 |
| * katsmeow-afk swaps out all branstrom's coffee | 17:27 | |
| branstrom | Seems to be a lot of people into DIY biology here | 17:28 |
| ybit | diy in general | 17:28 |
| ybit | kardan_: was just wondering who you were, research interests, hobbies, etc | 17:29 |
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| kardan | ybit: my interest is open source hardware in general: https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware | 17:35 |
| kardan | we develop web applications on rails. crabgrass is one of our projects: crabgrass.riseup.net | 17:36 |
| ybit | kanzure: http://superjared.com/entry/quick-django-benching/ | 17:38 |
| kardan | we still have an open ticket with db specifications by kanzure. unfortunately we could not implement them yet .. too many side projects | 17:39 |
| ybit | interesting | 17:39 |
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| branstrom | Oh, I'm coding Rails as well | 19:25 |
| branstrom | Been toying/working with it since 2005 | 19:25 |
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| kanzure | ybit: i got your package | 21:39 |
| ybit | o good | 21:41 |
| ybit | you should get another one tomorrow | 21:41 |
| ybit | they're gifts, ya know, for taking the time to do this. it's to be split with fenn even if he does give you ugly looks while backing up the stuff :P where is he btw? | 21:42 |
| ybit | kanzure | 21:45 |
| ybit | and uh, you might not care for one of them :P i tried to cancel the order but the warehouse had already shipped it within 2 hours of the order o.O so, um, just wing it, pretend like it was useful :P | 21:49 |
| * ybit is feeling emotiriffic | 21:50 | |
| ybit | ..ya know because of all the emoticons.. maybe i should stop making up words | 21:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | porque why? | 21:50 |
| ybit | ^ | 21:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't know | 21:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | you are making emoticons? | 21:51 |
| ybit | i typed 3 of them in one line | 21:52 |
| ybit | 21:18 <ybit> "mom i need photos for the site. buy a camera and get a tax-writeoff." "heath, i've got a better idea, i'm about to buy one of those flip cameras and upload videos to youtube _and_ you can take stills from the video." | 21:52 |
| ybit | i laughed | 21:52 |
| * katsmeow-afk is gonna unload apache and other webservers for one she made : http://designerthinking.com/images/Euphoria/euv4webserver2.html | 21:54 | |
| katsmeow-afk | it's only for local use behind a firewall, etc etc etc, and all those caveats | 21:54 |
| ybit | grr for having to create html and css bologna | 21:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | i used as little as possible for the ftp views, i even used <pre></pre> to avoid css formatting if i could | 21:57 |
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| genehacker | node quake | 22:18 |
| drazak | I'm a little deaf | 22:28 |
| kanzure | todo: grab Genome evolution and adaptation in a long-term experiment with Escherichia coli | 22:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's in Nature mag, i think | 22:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | yep | 22:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | Nature advance online publication 18 October 2009 | 22:34 |
| kanzure | there was a paper from this group from a while back about this experiment | 22:36 |
| kanzure | it was what caused the lenski bullshit | 22:36 |
| kanzure | anyway, anna salamon and i once schemed up a way to do this with human stem cell lines | 22:36 |
| kanzure | so that we could do maybe 40,000 generations of selection on stem cells and then boot up the rest of the human at some future date | 22:36 |
| kanzure | so that you don't have to actually have 40,000 generations of offspring living for at least 12+ years each | 22:37 |
| drazak | so you want say | 22:37 |
| drazak | 10000 passage stem cells | 22:37 |
| * drazak laughs | 22:37 | |
| drazak | glwt | 22:37 |
| kanzure | passage? | 22:38 |
| drazak | all immortalized cells start to deform after 500 passages | 22:38 |
| drazak | passage is when you move the cells from one container to another | 22:38 |
| drazak | usually after 3-6 doublings | 22:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't see how you can serialise genetic pressure and atthe same time shorten the evolution time | 22:38 |
| kanzure | no i don't want to move them | 22:38 |
| drazak | yes.. you do... | 22:38 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 22:38 |
| drazak | they will die if you don't | 22:38 |
| kanzure | you don't even know my environment | 22:38 |
| kanzure | i think you should stop while you're "ahead" | 22:38 |
| drazak | go ahead and tell me | 22:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | yea, kanzure has a fenn inhis environment! | 22:39 |
| kanzure | no i mean there's no reason that we have to grow stem cells in a situation where we have to transfer them from plates | 22:39 |
| kanzure | that's kind of silly for high throughput projects anyway | 22:39 |
| kanzure | and apparently it's also silly for biological reasons too | 22:39 |
| drazak | high throughput use large roller bottles | 22:39 |
| kanzure | not always | 22:39 |
| drazak | also transfering isn't what kills them | 22:39 |
| kanzure | good night | 22:40 |
| drazak | you don't seem to understand | 22:40 |
| genehacker | heiflick limit? | 22:40 |
| genehacker | hayflick | 22:40 |
| drazak | genehacker: kind of | 22:40 |
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| drazak | genehacker: it's a little different with stem cells | 22:41 |
| drazak | genehacker: their chromosomes become no longer diploid | 22:41 |
| drazak | kanzure: so how much cell culture have you actually done? | 22:41 |
| genehacker2 | now what books do I read to learn these things would probably be a better question to ask | 22:42 |
| genehacker2 | so what do you recommend? | 22:46 |
| drazak | genehacker: a couple good biochem books | 22:46 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 22:46 |
| drazak | I've read like 3 or 4 of them | 22:46 |
| drazak | and I can't pick | 22:46 |
| drazak | if you like medical biochem read stryers | 22:47 |
| drazak | kanzure has stryers | 22:49 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 22:49 |
| genehacker2 | and these biochemistry books have this sort of information? or is this information that can only be gleaned from laboratory experience? | 22:51 |
| drazak | well | 22:52 |
| drazak | some of it is in there | 22:52 |
| drazak | I have yet to find a good book on cell culture | 22:53 |
| genehacker2 | go figure | 22:53 |
| genehacker2 | it's a developing field | 22:53 |
| drazak | most cell culture techniques haven't changed in 15 years | 22:54 |
| genehacker2 | many deformation processing techniques weren't put into a good book that compiled them for about 30 years | 22:54 |
| genehacker2 | I'll see if I can't digest stryers before moving on | 22:55 |
| drazak | yeah | 22:55 |
| drazak | it's big | 22:55 |
| drazak | like 1700 page | 22:55 |
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