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| bkero | Anybody have experience with audio stuff? | 02:22 |
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| ybit | 21:08 < kanzure> something about training under turtle master roshi | 10:04 |
| ybit | :P | 10:04 |
| ybit | 21:10 < kanzure> also a better picture of the interesection problem would be hawt (also the graph exported in yaml) | 10:04 |
| ybit | i ran into another error last night after knocking myself out for bed (nothing significant i'm sure), i'll have to take a look this afternoon, not sure exactly where the paths.py graphs|yaml are located if created either, but if you don't tell me, i can find out i'm sure | 10:06 |
| ybit | interesting bits of conversation last night it seems | 10:07 |
| ybit | bkero: what kind of audio stuff? | 10:07 |
| kanzure | heh what if we allowed only digital power tools in the instruction generation? no qualms about twisting screws and other bullshit, just "attach. press the button." (we can assume press-the-button is something we don't have to teach, right?) | 10:08 |
| kanzure | ybit: under the menu there should be a "save" thingy. it doesn't generate yaml but it does make a file called output.dot i think | 10:09 |
| kanzure | the problem i've been having with instruction representation is that in some cases you want to break it all the way down to force-body diagrams | 10:11 |
| kanzure | and in those situations, it is not ideal for human consumption | 10:11 |
| kanzure | you can't quite tell a human, "apply a torque in this direction".. well, you could, but that kind of sucks | 10:11 |
| kanzure | (and fenn likes to bring up another problem with that, which i presently forget) | 10:12 |
| kanzure | but with digital power tools, a single button press works just as well | 10:12 |
| kanzure | any kinematic mechanism that needs to implement the motion that the digital tool does, can and should | 10:12 |
| kanzure | but we don't need to represent its motion :) yay | 10:14 |
| kanzure | if someone makes a motion representation library and people can easily understand what the motions are, then motion comparison, equivalence, and augmentation would be nice to have, but i don't think we should rely on it when we have discrete solutions already (like power tools) | 10:16 |
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| kanzure | maybe i'll write a "motion bootstrapping library"- starting with the most simple motion to understand, and work a path out to more complex motions that amplify human strength (like by using simple machines that you have constructed) | 10:18 |
| kanzure | in the mean time it is too complicated to figure out which "simple motions" are required to build a power tool, or acquire one from the hardware store | 10:18 |
| kanzure | does anyone want to model up a consumer power toolset for skdb? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | ybit: what time are you arriving in austin? | 10:43 |
| kanzure | ybit: larry (travel dude) suggests going through phoenix. i need to know when you'll be arriving in austin so i don't leave before then. | 10:48 |
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| bkero | ybit: Some amps | 12:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | this is often done by mechanics : [10:14] <kanzure> you can't quite tell a human, "apply a torque in this direction".. well, you could, but that kind of sucks | 12:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | at least, by intelligent ones | 12:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | stupid ones say "turn it this way" and demo the direction, and the part is often over rotated | 12:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | re: motions to get power tool: some Ai projects have done this already, if i can remember which ones | 12:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | done in the 60's even,, Erasamon? | 12:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | under the ehading of "how to get from outside the window looking in, to inside the building beside the table" and such things | 12:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | shortest linear direction wasn't acceptable : thru the wall | 12:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think Cyc did it too, for function/action domains: HowToEatInRestr...... | 12:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | fastfoodtakeout vs sitdowninside , etc | 12:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | <1> lets got do drivethru McDonalds | 12:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | <2> car required | 12:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | <1> ok, lets steal that Bentley | 12:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | <2> check fuel | 12:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | <3> ok, everyone pick a window to climb thru | 12:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | <1><2> done | 12:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | <3> the window i picked wasn't open, but i managed | 12:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | <4> you guys are in the wrong Bentley | 12:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | <2> we need a driver | 12:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | <3> how do we see outside from this position? | 12:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | <1> my locker key won't fit the ignition | 12:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | <5> are we there yet? | 12:28 |
| genehacker | a power tool set? | 12:28 |
| genehacker | Kanzure, you know what you should do about that? | 12:28 |
| genehacker | you should ask some engineering students to do it for you | 12:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | no, for the steps required for almost anythng a human would do | 12:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | for sitting down at table: requires a sit-on-thing | 12:29 |
| genehacker | how do you determine if the power tool can reasonably fit into the space? | 12:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | know the dimensions | 12:32 |
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| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r 5f74ae3 / (6 files in 2 dirs): dot repo file utilities and tools | 14:02 |
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| ybit | 10:43 < kanzure> ybit: what time are you arriving in austin? | 16:58 |
| ybit | well, i was thinking of coming in on thursday and spending a day there so i wouldn't have to get up so early for a fligth on friday, i'll look at the flight times and get back with you | 16:59 |
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| ybit | 10:48 < kanzure> ybit: larry (travel dude) suggests going through phoenix. | 18:03 |
| ybit | this phoenix? http://www.phoenixair.com/home.php | 18:03 |
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| ybit | new papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/?C=M;O=D | 18:44 |
| ybit | the last error last night http://pastebin.com/m3bc0b119 | 18:45 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/code/problems/ has an example of what i was talking about yesterday, these legos can't fit together, or at least i'm not seeing how this is correct | 18:59 |
| ybit | notice both connectors for the legos don't have holes, if the cylindrical shaped lego had a hole in one of its connectors or whatever you call them, the rectangular lego might be able to fit into that.. | 19:03 |
| ybit | this isn't always, the case, the past two times i've rant it, parts match up just fine | 19:18 |
| ybit | ignore comma splice and s/rant/ran | 19:25 |
| * ybit notices that 'connectors' are actually called anti-studs in this case | 19:30 | |
| ybit | s/anti-// | 19:31 |
| ybit | diff anti-stud stud-cup? | 19:49 |
| ybit | anti axle?.. | 19:50 |
| ybit | anti stud: !lego_feature | 19:52 |
| ybit | comment: this typically has 3 or 4 contact points, but is not round | 19:52 |
| ybit | complement: [stud, technic stud] | 19:52 |
| ybit | example: 3005 | 19:52 |
| ybit | technique: press_fit | 19:52 |
| ybit | kinematics: revolute | 19:52 |
| kanzure | ybit: feel free to come earlier. i don't know when i want to arrive, i guess the 5th. | 19:57 |
| ybit | any good recommendations on drafting/eng drawing? maybe there's a huge flippin' glossary with these terms | 20:00 |
| kanzure | the reason why cgraph.dict doesn't have self.interface1.part in it is probably because you commented it out on a previous problem. | 20:02 |
| kanzure | all of those images in http://ybit.ath.cx/code/problems/ look absolutely fine to me | 20:03 |
| ybit | kanzure: nope, this is a fresh skdb install | 20:03 |
| kanzure | ybit: these terms come from the LDRAW book (yes there's a book) | 20:03 |
| ybit | online and free? | 20:04 |
| kanzure | no | 20:06 |
| ybit | Virtual LEGO: the official LDraw.Org guide to LDraw tools for Windows | 20:06 |
| kanzure | i saw it on austin talley's shelf, he's one of the been-there-forever grad students at the MAD LAB. | 20:06 |
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| ybit | i don't think that's the book, or at least google isn't finding 'anti-stud'|"anti stud" in it | 20:13 |
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| ybit | dirty mind activate! http://www.ldraw.org/gallery/album01/lcd_18a.gif | 20:21 |
| ybit | http://www.ldraw.org/gallery/album01/lcd_19.gif | 20:22 |
| ybit | alex never responded, i'm guessing he isn't interested as you suspected kanzure | 20:35 |
| ybit | nor did he join the om mailing list | 20:36 |
| ybit | infolibs.com available | 20:36 |
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| ybit | partm8 | 20:37 |
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| ybit | meh | 21:06 |
| ybit | oi strages_ | 21:06 |
| ybit | you going to phraknic? | 21:06 |
| ybit | phreaknic* | 21:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: fad-lab.com | 21:15 |
| ybit | taken | 21:16 |
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