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| ybit | note to self: don't try create a 3000x3000 image with my pre-historic machine | 00:13 |
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| kanzure | ybit: link? | 03:48 |
| kanzure | not to the 3000x3000 image | 03:48 |
| * bkero eats babies. | 03:56 | |
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| ybit | kanzure: check out http://freefab.org | 04:37 |
| ybit | skdb.freefab.org even goes to what was on dokuwiki | 04:37 |
| Utopiah | :) | 04:37 |
| * ybit doesn't know what to think of the smiley face | 04:38 | |
| ybit | anywho, it's ugly and needs some a little css and templating, but i think it's a lot better than telling people to go to adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 04:38 |
| ybit | it's hosted on the server space that bkero hooked me up with, only because i knew it would be much quicker than having to deal with virtual hosts on adl | 04:40 |
| * Utopiah explains his ":)" | 04:40 | |
| Utopiah | it was a positive expression often referred as a smile, it meant that I found motivating a more visually appealing entry page and a little demo | 04:41 |
| ybit | yay, one person who likes the somewhat better but still ugly site | 04:42 |
| Utopiah | ybit: a sequential process like A->B->C->Result! would make me like it even more | 04:43 |
| ybit | Utopiah: working on that :) | 04:43 |
| Utopiah | (even if incorrectly simple, it should provide a good start for people to dig deeper) | 04:43 |
| Utopiah | nice | 04:43 |
| ybit | right now, i need to put in a sticky footer and get a few css kinks knocked out | 04:44 |
| ybit | then templating and moving away from html for awhile | 04:45 |
| ybit | i figured the #skdb mailing list would be better suited for skdb specific questions and perhaps avoid a few poems in the process | 05:06 |
| ybit | #skdb might be better suited for the skdb program later on as it matures | 05:06 |
| ybit | or not, just have to see how things evolve | 05:07 |
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| Utopiah | ybit: so, when can I add a "build" (instead of print) link on my wiki so that it will generate the object base on the TeX schema? | 10:28 |
| Utopiah | ( instead of merely rendering visuals with http://www.ctan.org/ ) | 10:34 |
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| ybit | Utopiah: when you build it? ;) | 10:57 |
| ybit | but keeping coming up with ideas, i'll try my best implement as many as possible :-) | 10:57 |
| Utopiah | then simply make modules for MediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/PmWiki with the "Build with SKDB" option that would send the description to an SKDB web service | 10:58 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'll be coming down on thursday for sure | 10:58 |
| Utopiah | (would make a great promotion system I think) | 11:00 |
| ybit | indeed | 11:00 |
| Utopiah | by default it would query the SKDB web service but a configuration variable would allow to use a local instance | 11:01 |
| Utopiah | (or instead of "SKDB web service" at least an explanation on installing your local instance) | 11:01 |
| ybit | Utopiah: do we want a promotion system though :P | 11:06 |
| ybit | We therefore argue that for increasing | 11:06 |
| ybit | the reliability of research it is essential to assess the negative | 11:06 |
| ybit | effects of popularity and develop approaches to diminish these | 11:06 |
| ybit | effects.""" | 11:06 |
| ybit | http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005996 | 11:06 |
| ybit | just don't be popular, duh ;) | 11:08 |
| Utopiah | ybit: s/promotion/more efficient networking of creators/ ? | 11:09 |
| Utopiah | because you can imagine that everytime someone use the wiki button it logs the query on the web service and generate a link back thus indexing the design making it available for the rest of the community, no? | 11:10 |
| Utopiah | (sidenote : I don't think popularity correlates with success eiter) | 11:13 |
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| ybit | 2hi genehacker, kanzure | 12:19 |
| ybit | kardan|: | 12:19 |
| kardan| | hi! | 12:20 |
| ybit | :) | 12:44 |
| ybit | how's it going kardan|? | 12:44 |
| ybit | what have you been up to lately? | 12:44 |
| kardan| | haha got the swine flue | 12:45 |
| ybit | eek, you know this wouln't happen if we would just eat more bacon ;) | 12:46 |
| ybit | i.e. kill the pigs! | 12:47 |
| kardan| | or chickens | 12:47 |
| ybit | that too | 12:48 |
| kardan| | ja, but its ok. not that high feaver i just cant concentrate very much. listening to news mostly | 12:49 |
| ybit | you could give suggestions on how to make http://freefab.org not look so damn ugly | 12:50 |
| ybit | trying to figure out how to make the text more readable and less like it was just thrown up (which it was) | 12:50 |
| kardan| | the links could be clouds right of freefab | 13:04 |
| kardan| | sudo apt-get me a sandwich should be a subtitle below freefab, so people know what the side is about | 13:05 |
| kardan| | make the script a download able file | 13:06 |
| kardan| | and if you have nice pictures put them on the start page | 13:08 |
| kardan| | if you like I could do some ajax stuff for loading pages when hovering a link | 13:10 |
| kardan| | by the way i like the winter header, its easy to pimp | 13:10 |
| Utopiah | (Technology Review: Blogs: TR Editors' blog: Neural Prostheses Go Wireless http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24263/ October 19, 2009) | 13:11 |
| kardan| | will be afk for some | 13:13 |
| ybit | thanks for the suggestions kardan| | 13:14 |
| kanzure | ybit: the web2.0 font of choice is "arial" | 14:03 |
| kanzure | and you're terrible at css it turns out | 14:03 |
| kanzure | also why are you not using web.py? | 14:03 |
| ybit | 14:03 < kanzure> and you're terrible at css it turns out | 14:12 |
| ybit | haha, yep | 14:12 |
| ybit | 14:03 < kanzure> also why are you not using web.py? | 14:13 |
| ybit | because i'm just putting something up, not worrying about the underlying framework | 14:14 |
| ybit | quicker for me that way | 14:14 |
| ybit | ah, i see what you mean, the navbar is all over the sun atm | 14:20 |
| kanzure | why is there a sun? | 14:21 |
| ybit | there was no artistic direction really, that's why. "powered by"/sun...maybe?..dunno | 14:22 |
| kanzure | does anyone else in here do css? i used to do pretty websites, but i just don't care anymore | 14:40 |
| kanzure | any active css people i guess | 14:41 |
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| ybit | the header doesn't look so shitty now | 15:01 |
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| kanzure | so apparently the fix to my connectivity problem was "replace the coaxial cable with other coxial cable" | 15:19 |
| ybit | what was wrong with the other one? | 15:20 |
| kanzure | that is a good question | 15:20 |
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| ybit | fenn: you're back from your training with turtle master roshi in the galapagos! w00t :) | 15:30 |
| ybit | not much has happened since you left, i finally got paths.py to work and last night i worked on http://freefab.org which is hosting a bunch of skdb stuff | 15:31 |
| ybit | did you enjoy your triP/ | 15:31 |
| fenn | what's the "precision positioning system" on freefab wiki.html | 15:32 |
| ybit | that's Phreedom | 15:32 |
| fenn | a word of advice: don't buy peppermint ice cream | 15:32 |
| kanzure | see i told you | 15:32 |
| ybit | ? | 15:33 |
| ybit | did i give you guys mint ice cream? | 15:33 |
| fenn | ybit why did you send an empty hard drive? | 15:33 |
| fenn | the industry term for that is "dead heading" | 15:34 |
| ybit | i think i asked kanzure which would be better if i sent the hdd to him directly or if i retrieved over the interwebs, he decided mailing it would probably be easier | 15:35 |
| kanzure | ybit: to be honest i have no way of easily transfering a terabyte over the web | 15:35 |
| fenn | neither does anyone | 15:35 |
| ybit | the whole point is to get the h+ archive going | 15:37 |
| fenn | did anyone else see that? | 15:38 |
| fenn | hmm ok it's dropping the connection or something | 15:39 |
| fenn | 8% packet loss .. meh | 15:39 |
| Phreedom | hey I transferred 1.2 TB last month ;) | 15:39 |
| kanzure | i don't have anything on a fast connection that has more than 1 TB wired up, is what i mean | 15:40 |
| Phreedom | oh | 15:40 |
| Phreedom | but it's a regular home connection | 15:40 |
| kanzure | ybit: i'm willing to do ajax. i think you should stick to doing graphics. | 15:40 |
| ybit | :( | 15:41 |
| kanzure | sorry | 15:41 |
| ybit | alright | 15:41 |
| ybit | that's fine with me | 15:41 |
| kanzure | why does everyone suck at css? i mean everyone | 15:41 |
| kanzure | anyway, what did you want to implement today? | 15:41 |
| Phreedom | ajax? why not do everything in flash? :P | 15:41 |
| kanzure | Phreedom: hi | 15:41 |
| fenn | why not make everything a .bmp file | 15:41 |
| kanzure | yeah a giant .bmp | 15:42 |
| ybit | html5 and css3 should be taking care of javascript anytime soon now | 15:42 |
| kanzure | 12000x12000 | 15:42 |
| fenn | and use hypercard for sound effects | 15:42 |
| Phreedom | and put it into a word file | 15:42 |
| kanzure | but with a password | 15:42 |
| fenn | can you rot-13 encode a .bmp? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | sure! | 15:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you upload your inventory examples now? | 15:43 |
| fenn | it's in skdb/inventory/schema.* | 15:43 |
| fenn | erm. skdb/inventory/data/schema.* | 15:44 |
| kanzure | schema.yaml looks overly verbose for something that's supposed to just be temporary until someone finds that their tool is represented in a package somewhere | 15:45 |
| fenn | right | 15:46 |
| fenn | like i said, i was confused | 15:46 |
| kanzure | i have had a hard time getting people to type up their inventories | 15:47 |
| kanzure | even when i offer, it's still a challenge to get people to agree | 15:47 |
| kanzure | les was overly excited for me to do it but he's on the other side of the distribution somewhere :p | 15:47 |
| kanzure | so i bet most people don't have a ready-made inventory | 15:48 |
| kanzure | and even then, they don't like doing it | 15:48 |
| kanzure | so at best i think we can expect a list of tools | 15:48 |
| kanzure | sometimes terribly named | 15:48 |
| fenn | yeah like 'milwaukee 26 incher' | 15:48 |
| kanzure | most of the time the names mean something to the person who typed it / called out the name | 15:48 |
| kanzure | but it's hard to figure out what it is | 15:48 |
| kanzure | it would be neat if we could disambiguate the names | 15:48 |
| kanzure | "here's a picture. is this what you meant?" | 15:49 |
| kanzure | "click: [yes] [no] [go away]" | 15:49 |
| fenn | that's not a bad idea | 15:49 |
| kanzure | i need some edge cases for testing. people call things by many different names | 15:50 |
| kanzure | heh get one shop full of tools and have people walk through it and name the stuff | 15:50 |
| fenn | one of the hardest parts of maintaining a database is dealing with identical records | 15:50 |
| kanzure | i bet we'll get different results | 15:50 |
| kanzure | what? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | how hard could it be to check stuff off a list? | 15:50 |
| fenn | you'll get "sammy sosa" "samual sosa" "samuel sosa" "samuel j. sosa" etc | 15:51 |
| kanzure | "26 inch blade saw" "sears wood-extreme-elite blade saw" "sears saw" "george coleman saw" | 15:52 |
| kanzure | (george coleman does a band saw, right?) | 15:52 |
| fenn | sure why not | 15:52 |
| kanzure | "my saw will make your juices flow or your money back" | 15:52 |
| fenn | wait are you talking about the george foreman grill? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | ah george foreman. | 15:53 |
| fenn | "the juices drip into this specially engineered patented drip catcher" | 15:53 |
| kanzure | "woodchucks fly past your face at an unpredecented patented 400 miles per hour" | 15:53 |
| fenn | steam-powered chucker? | 15:54 |
| kanzure | no, nuclear | 15:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: where does a scroll (scrowl?) saw go in the taxonomy? | 15:57 |
| fenn | reciprocating cutter | 16:04 |
| fenn | um wrong ontolog | 16:05 |
| fenn | multi-point cutter | 16:05 |
| kanzure | i need to make a skeleton package creation tool (less than a wizard) | 16:15 |
| kanzure | then inventory is turned into particular skdb package skeletons, unless a package can be pre-identified as matching | 16:15 |
| kanzure | it should be left as "unidentified" until later so that lots of random, useless packages don't happen | 16:16 |
| genehacker | nuclear powered wood chucker? | 16:18 |
| genehacker | what else did I miss? | 16:18 |
| kanzure | nuclear->steam | 16:18 |
| genehacker | scroll saw goes under cutting | 16:19 |
| genehacker | I just used one, and apparently I needed special permission to use it today | 16:19 |
| genehacker | oops | 16:19 |
| genehacker | anyway are you working on making the manufacturing taxonomy tree bloom? | 16:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: also i was using this idea of 'distributions' of packages. the main distribution should include stable packages. another one should be partial packages that are useless skeletons and junk | 16:21 |
| kanzure | this is especially useful on the web when people commit changes to packages and we don't want them fucking up everything in the system | 16:21 |
| kanzure | (but they still want to use *their* latest changes) | 16:21 |
| genehacker | and would it be legal to scan pictures from my materials processing textbook and put them into SKDB, so people can actually understand the porcesses | 16:22 |
| kanzure | no but if you scan them one of us can turn it into an svg diagram | 16:22 |
| genehacker | what do you mean by svg diagram? | 16:23 |
| genehacker | what if I color it? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | svg is a way of reprsenting graphics with vector art | 16:23 |
| genehacker | that's what my dynamics textbook did, paint over other pictures to make them look slightly different | 16:23 |
| genehacker | or at least I think so | 16:23 |
| fenn | yeah there should be a package readiness level | 16:25 |
| fenn | but a better name than that | 16:26 |
| kanzure | i think separating them by distributions is important too | 16:26 |
| kanzure | so both a readiness level and a place to put them | 16:26 |
| kanzure | there's no reason ten thousand skeletons should be in the main distribution, everyone will always be wondering why nothing works | 16:26 |
| genehacker | anyway could you write a program that allows you to click on parts of the taxonomy tree and opens up the corresponding yaml and displays the information in an easy to read format? | 16:26 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:27 |
| fenn | it's called code folding | 16:27 |
| genehacker | good | 16:27 |
| fenn | anyway, that's the plan | 16:27 |
| kanzure | it's the next big thing from 30 years ago | 16:27 |
| genehacker | could you also write a program that makes it easy to write .yaml files for the tree? | 16:28 |
| kanzure | genehacker: fenn hasn't seen your files | 16:28 |
| genehacker | if you do both of these things, then I have crazy idea for filling in the tree | 16:28 |
| genehacker | the casting.yaml is the only one I have | 16:28 |
| kanzure | he hasn't seen it | 16:29 |
| fenn | yaml is already so easy i'm afraid of what would happen if we tried to make it easier (bloat) | 16:29 |
| fenn | is it in git? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | no | 16:29 |
| kanzure | it was on pastebin somewhere | 16:29 |
| fenn | thanks a bunch | 16:29 |
| kanzure | sorry i don't memorize pastebin links :p | 16:30 |
| genehacker | I want to make SKDB look like a useful study tool for materials processing and get my friends addicted to it | 16:31 |
| fenn | that was more directed at genehacker | 16:31 |
| genehacker | and then implement a program that makes people add knowledge to it | 16:31 |
| fenn | is materials processing like mining technology? | 16:31 |
| genehacker | no | 16:31 |
| genehacker | materials processing is manufacturing processes to turn materials into products from raw materials like plastic, metals, ceramic powder, etc | 16:32 |
| genehacker | basically it's studying almost everything in your manufacturing taxonomy | 16:32 |
| fenn | bleh | 16:33 |
| fenn | 'something happens' | 16:33 |
| genehacker | anyway | 16:34 |
| genehacker | http://pastebin.com/md593f2c | 16:34 |
| genehacker | am I doing it right? | 16:34 |
| genehacker | I'm going to try to do wire drawing right now | 16:34 |
| genehacker | as in make a .yaml for it | 16:35 |
| genehacker | can I put greek symbols in yaml? | 16:36 |
| fenn | please only ascii | 16:36 |
| kanzure | i think it barfed on unicode once? i don't recall | 16:37 |
| fenn | it ought to work but it will mess up units | 16:37 |
| fenn | and i don't really see the need | 16:37 |
| genehacker | ok so I'll put everything in ascii then | 16:38 |
| kanzure | how do we match names to different packages? maybe each package could have a list of aliases for its parts? | 16:38 |
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| genehacker | link to the taxonomy file again? | 16:40 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/processes.yaml | 16:43 |
| genehacker | no the taxonomy tree | 16:48 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/taxonomy.yaml | 17:00 |
| fenn | genehacker: what does this mean? geometry: 7, R,B,S,T,F,Sp,U | 17:02 |
| genehacker | it's a geometry classification from my book | 17:03 |
| fenn | could you scan that in low-res for me? | 17:04 |
| fenn | or find an equivalent link online explaining it | 17:04 |
| genehacker | hold on | 17:06 |
| genehacker | http://imgur.com/KOeOi | 17:07 |
| genehacker | it's all here | 17:07 |
| genehacker | first number is spatial complexity value and the letters are geometry descriptions | 17:08 |
| genehacker | ok I finished the .yaml for wire drawing, how can I post it on skdb? | 17:19 |
| kanzure | two ways: email, or figure out how to use git and commit it | 17:25 |
| ybit | took me awhile, but i've realize mochikit is the way to go for ajax... waiting on the cherrypy essentials book to download as it supposedly has a decent section on mochikit integration | 17:26 |
| * ybit was going to just use php and jquery | 17:27 | |
| genehacker | I'll just email it for now? | 17:28 |
| genehacker | ok sent | 17:30 |
| ybit | kardan|: hows about you save me sometime and do the ajax loading for me, aye? :) | 17:32 |
| kanzure | what ajax loading do you need done, ybit? | 17:34 |
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| timschmidt | hi all | 17:34 |
| * kanzure points out that he has done ajax bullshit in the past | 17:34 | |
| timschmidt | kanzure asked me to drop in and relay a bit of conversation we've had. | 17:35 |
| timschmidt | first conversation: http://pastebin.com/m73a19727 | 17:36 |
| timschmidt | second: http://pastebin.com/m68421155 | 17:37 |
| ybit | thanks timschmidt | 17:42 |
| timschmidt | np | 17:42 |
| ybit | btw, how's it going? | 17:42 |
| ybit | you, your project, anything else that the question may pertaini to | 17:43 |
| timschmidt | excellent. The MiRUG group has printed off a few new extruders, and we've met twice this month. We're meeting again tomorrow. We should have three, maybe 4 fully functional repstraps tomorrow. | 17:43 |
| fenn | i was calling them 'skills' | 17:44 |
| fenn | sourceforge has a skill ontology which rather sucks, and is mostly about computer stuff | 17:44 |
| timschmidt | we're meeting for the first time in a high school metalshop that's fully equipped with CNC mills, waterjet, lathes, etc. | 17:44 |
| fenn | i'm sure there are better systems for describing what a person knows how to do | 17:44 |
| timschmidt | fenn: fair enough. | 17:44 |
| ybit | kanzure: grr, why didn't this highlight when you mentioned my name. i was thinking that the four main pages "faq", "skdb", "install", and "wiki/share" would just be a simple transition, no reloading/loading required | 17:45 |
| timschmidt | I think defining points and force vectors sucks... something better would be amazing. | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ybit: that's easy to do without ajax | 17:45 |
| fenn | timschmidt: i was thinking of looking at various role playing systems for inspiration (dungeon and dragons or gurps) | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ybit: you can do that with something known as css "visibility" | 17:45 |
| ybit | hah, what's with you knowing css :P | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ybit: so encapsulate the content in a div element with a custom class name, and set style="visibility:hidden" | 17:45 |
| fenn | timschmidt: the original idea was to be able to translate between human and robot movements if necessary | 17:46 |
| kanzure | then you can have a javascript action somewhere in a link element's href to say, or maybe in the onclick attribute, javascript:document.getElementById("class name here").visibility="show" or something | 17:47 |
| fenn | timschmidt: but telling a human 'move z -0.15 meters' doesn't really work (as much as kanzure would like it to) | 17:47 |
| genehacker | ugh so you got rid of the robot part? | 17:47 |
| genehacker | oh | 17:47 |
| timschmidt | fenn: agreed entirely. | 17:47 |
| ybit | kanzure: that's ajax | 17:47 |
| kanzure | no it's not | 17:48 |
| kanzure | ajax uses XmlHttpRequest | 17:48 |
| kanzure | blah why do i know this | 17:48 |
| timschmidt | fenn: As much as I like the idea of being able to translate from one set of instructions into N different sets intended for humans, computers, etc. I don't think it's realistic. Perhaps I'm wrong. I think a much more realistic system would allow humans to do the translation ahead of time, package all the various ways of saying the same thing together into a single package, and allow skdb... | 17:49 |
| timschmidt | ...to determine which set you want at runtime. | 17:49 |
| kanzure | sentence planning algorithms can re-arrange a sentence for you, or even paragraphs | 17:50 |
| kanzure | i.e. SPUD | 17:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~mdstone/nlg.html | 17:50 |
| kanzure | but you have to encode the information in a computational representation (it doesn't take a sentence as input) | 17:50 |
| kanzure | but you shouldn't have to be a computational linguist to write instructions for skdb | 17:51 |
| timschmidt | There's a big difference between exploiting the deterministic nature of a language, and speaking said language. | 17:51 |
| kanzure | so? | 17:51 |
| timschmidt | I guess I'm implying that it would take a full-blown AI to properly translate from a master set of instructions suitable for computer consumption into an adequate human-readable set. | 17:52 |
| timschmidt | but I could easily be wrong. | 17:52 |
| fenn | timschmidt: i just been reading the first one.. "how to represent pouring epoxy into a screw shaped mold" should be no more difficult than any other process representation | 17:52 |
| fenn | there's already thread-rolling, which is in no way a sequence of vector movements or whatever | 17:53 |
| timschmidt | hobbing too | 17:53 |
| * ybit was afk, kanzure, you're right, but over the past couple of years, javascript has been immediately associated with ajax in my head | 17:54 | |
| ybit | attempt #2 at cooking and not forgetting about it | 17:54 |
| * fenn monitors his rice processing ... process | 17:54 | |
| timschmidt | my $20 rice process is self-monitoring. | 17:55 |
| * ybit has been playing around with wordnet as well, but not for that purpose | 17:55 | |
| genehacker | wait you're using sentences as input? | 17:59 |
| fenn | "a 'motion object' may specify several different targets, and have instructions for each. One target could be a CNC machine" is similar to STEP-NC (at least the philosophy) | 18:00 |
| fenn | STEP-NC stores both the generic source data and the machine-specific trajectories in the same file | 18:00 |
| fenn | (one or both may be missing) | 18:00 |
| genehacker | heck I could just send you a copy of my notes and you could use that make .yamls | 18:00 |
| fenn | there's an intermediate representation called 'cutter location file' which derives from APT (the CAM language) | 18:01 |
| kanzure | ambiguity much? | 18:01 |
| fenn | me? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | APT | 18:01 |
| fenn | "APT (the CAM language)" ought to be specific enough | 18:01 |
| kanzure | yes but what were they thinking? | 18:02 |
| kanzure | either them or the other guys | 18:02 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 18:02 |
| fenn | those damn 1950's engineers ought to know better! | 18:02 |
| fenn | 'automatically programmed tools' has a nice ring to it though | 18:02 |
| timschmidt | In my head, I was thinking of standard debian packages containing translated description text for different written languages. Same thing. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:02 |
| fenn | can anyone explain the reason behind a small frying pan? | 18:03 |
| fenn | why not just have two big frying pans? | 18:03 |
| timschmidt | small fries? | 18:03 |
| timschmidt | (I'll go stand in the corner now) | 18:04 |
| fenn | it was a good try | 18:05 |
| genehacker | small frying pans allow for frying in smaller spaces | 18:07 |
| timschmidt | like here: http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/ | 18:09 |
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| timschmidt | Only tangentially related to the group, but I bought one of these recently: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45861 | 18:14 |
| timschmidt | amazing amount of useful information here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9x20Lathe/ | 18:16 |
| timschmidt | and here: http://www.bedair.org/9x20camlock/9x20project.html | 18:16 |
| genehacker | ok finished .yaml for extrusion, sending to kanzure | 18:19 |
| timschmidt | also, one of the best write-ups on CNC conversion I've read anywhere: http://ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/Engineering9x20_CNC.html | 18:20 |
| ybit | Im an German Computer Scientist Student. | 18:29 |
| ybit | We use this group for a Database Developing | 18:29 |
| ybit | Project. SKDB is a german acronym for | 18:29 |
| ybit | Special chapters (German "Kapitel") of Databases. | 18:29 |
| ybit | Therfore i'm not able and willing to close this | 18:29 |
| ybit | group. | 18:29 |
| ybit | yours faithfully | 18:29 |
| ybit | Martin Papenfuß | 18:29 |
| ybit | Heath Matlock schrieb: | 18:29 |
| ybit | Hi, what is this group for? We have a similar project, and we would really like to use this mailing list's group url name. | 18:29 |
| ybit | the skdb mailing list | 18:29 |
| genehacker | mailing groups are so 90s | 18:30 |
| ybit | genehacker: mind pasting the yaml? | 18:30 |
| genehacker | we could just start a google group instead | 18:30 |
| ybit | lol | 18:31 |
| * ybit doesn't explain | 18:31 | |
| genehacker | sure | 18:31 |
| ybit | thank you | 18:31 |
| ybit | timschmidt: http://ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/Engineering9x20_CNC.html is down or is that the wrong address? | 18:32 |
| genehacker | updated it just now too | 18:33 |
| fenn | ns2. sounds like a nameserver | 18:33 |
| fenn | probably a screwy address | 18:33 |
| genehacker | http://pastebin.com/m782ebb23 | 18:34 |
| genehacker | extrusion | 18:34 |
| fenn | looks like the page used to be at nerdulator.net | 18:34 |
| genehacker | http://pastebin.com/d41661c22 | 18:35 |
| ybit | http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:3sXxM9k3UwIJ:ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/cnc.html+ngineering9x20_CNC.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a | 18:35 |
| fenn | when are spammers going to start impersonating polite, intelligent, netiquette-aware people with interesting things to say? | 18:36 |
| genehacker | I'm going to start on rolling.yaml, but I'd like to know where I can put information sendzimir rolls and different roller configurations | 18:37 |
| fenn | if something is significantly different, it should be its own process | 18:38 |
| genehacker | and fenn, sheet, structural, and foil rolling don't really differ that much from eachother | 18:38 |
| fenn | yeah but thread rolling is different | 18:38 |
| genehacker | if you mean structural rolling as rolling out shapes then it would be different | 18:39 |
| genehacker | but as far as I can tell sheet and foil rolling really don't differ that much | 18:40 |
| genehacker | hmm... if you mean aluminum foil rolling, it's a little different in that the final rolling step runs 2 ply sheets through the rollers, but mathematically it looks the same as sheet rolling | 18:42 |
| genehacker | though the foil ends up with a rough side and shiny side | 18:43 |
| fenn | yeah i knkow | 18:44 |
| genehacker | ok then | 18:51 |
| bkero | http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/fall.jpg <-- sidewalk in front of my apartment | 19:07 |
| fenn | nice photo.. makes you wonder why they bother running gasoline powered blowers in front of your window at 9 am every day | 19:09 |
| genehacker | because people could slip on the leaves and fall and sue the people not blowing away the leaves for not blowing away the leaves | 19:11 |
| genehacker | hmmm... can we have an obvious hazard classification for safety in process files? | 19:12 |
| fenn | maybe they should sue the people slipping and falling on leaves for slipping and falling on leaves | 19:12 |
| kanzure | what classification does MSDS use for hazards? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | they have a system i think | 19:12 |
| genehacker | because the hazard in rolling is pretty obvious | 19:12 |
| bkero | Nobody runs blowers around here | 19:12 |
| fenn | lucky | 19:13 |
| genehacker | don't stick finger in rolling mill because it will proceed to decrease the thickness of it | 19:13 |
| fenn | 'moving parts' not good enough? | 19:13 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:14 |
| genehacker | that's good enough | 19:14 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/m3280f611 | 19:15 |
| ybit | when running python demo.py in the lego package | 19:15 |
| ybit | meh, demo.py runs fine | 19:25 |
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| ybit | fenn, kanzure: default package view mockup from the lego or screw package.. what are you guys wanting exactly? | 20:17 |
| fenn | i was hoping to do more of a bottom-up 'prettifying', and then put things together in various ways at the end | 20:19 |
| fenn | javascript code folding is a good start though | 20:19 |
| kanzure | ybit: put in a happy yellow lego brick somewhere :p | 20:23 |
| ybit | grr, one computer sucks | 20:25 |
| ybit | guess i will go watch the history channel for a bit :\ (no science channel for me *frowney*) | 20:25 |
| * ybit actually hasn't watched t.v. in ages | 20:26 | |
| ybit | http://freefab.org/wiki.html | 20:26 |
| ybit | kanzure: you are wanting me to make a brick and save the cad file somewhere? | 20:27 |
| ybit | we are have one of those iirc.. | 20:28 |
| ybit | s/are/already | 20:28 |
| timschmidt | ybit: the page is working for me | 21:25 |
| kanzure | no i want you to show a picture of the screenshots we have | 21:37 |
| kanzure | er | 21:37 |
| kanzure | the idea was to show an image of the cad file on the package pages and part pages | 21:37 |
| genehacker | do you have any cad files to show images of? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | yes we have legos | 22:43 |
| kanzure | i thought that's what the mockup page would be? | 22:43 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:50 |
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| ybit | oh okay | 23:43 |
| * ybit needs a laptop -_- | 23:43 | |
| ybit | mythbusters was on, so it wasn't too bad | 23:43 |
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