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| kanzure | eric hunting went a long way in his follow-ups on his toolbook emails, i forgot that he proposed a coop too | 11:29 |
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| ybit | what's with all this talk about commercialization of your designs in the the 'too commercial' thread, i think the discussion is becoming too commercial. what's the point of the machines? build stuff, if you need something build it, forget about having to make money for a little while, would ya. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | fenn, ybit, did either of you read pg 6-9 of http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Compatibility%20issues%20for%20mechanical%20system%20modelling%20with%20standard%20components.pdf | 12:16 |
| ybit | kanzure: i haven't read it yet, it's on my todo list for today, along with a few other papers | 12:16 |
| ybit | it would be nice if the 'how to build a multimachine' had a listing of all the parts on one page | 13:12 |
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| kanzure | i feel like i just had a seizure | 13:43 |
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| kanzure | run that by me again please | 15:09 |
| fenn | don't worry about looking like a "real" website.. "web 2.0" is for hipsters | 15:10 |
| kanzure | show me a non web2.0 website that is immensely popular | 15:10 |
| fenn | 15:11 | |
| kanzure | bullshit | 15:11 |
| fenn | what?? | 15:11 |
| kanzure | tons and tons of ajax | 15:11 |
| fenn | they don't freak out over gradients and rounded corners | 15:11 |
| kanzure | not on their front page maybe | 15:11 |
| kanzure | but have you seen their control panels? | 15:11 |
| fenn | and it "just works" if you dont have a fancy js browser | 15:11 |
| kanzure | sure no problem with that | 15:11 |
| fenn | ok.. how about craigslist | 15:12 |
| kanzure | might have a gradient | 15:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.craigslist.org/styles/craigslist.css | 15:12 |
| fenn | well, whatever. it's a bunch of links to relevant pages | 15:12 |
| kanzure | ah, nope | 15:12 |
| * fenn fires up a browser that actually cares about other peoples' css | 15:13 | |
| kanzure | they have a dropshadow though | 15:13 |
| fenn | fwiw i like the sifter.org interface | 15:14 |
| genehacker | it doesn't need to look pretty it just needs to be usable | 15:15 |
| genehacker | pretty comes later | 15:15 |
| kanzure | anyway i know it seems like i'm focusing on the layout a lot but you haven't seen web.py | 15:15 |
| kanzure | or if you have you're not complaining about it | 15:15 |
| kanzure | "civilization is built on the shoulders of giants, not your pocket book" <- patently false now that i think about it | 15:16 |
| fenn | elaborate | 15:16 |
| kanzure | er taxes | 15:16 |
| fenn | there were taxes before civilization | 15:16 |
| kanzure | taxes do not a civilization make | 15:16 |
| kanzure | now i'm confused | 15:16 |
| kanzure | goodbye | 15:16 |
| kanzure | hm that car alarm is annoying | 15:20 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/screenshots/2009-11-02-omnifab.png | 15:21 |
| kanzure | missing step: build | 15:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: try reloading in the pig. maybe it looks better now? | 15:37 |
| ybit | kanzure: icons: http://ybit.ath.cx/omnifab/images/ | 15:43 |
| * ybit is afk for another 30 mins, blah | 15:44 | |
| ybit | kanzure: are you planning on converting test.html into a cheetah tmpl anytime soon? | 16:19 |
| ybit | here's a simple login http://ybit.ath.cx/omnifab/auth.py | 16:29 |
| ybit | i was thinking that it would be a good idea to allow users during registration to state their personal preferences and what inventory they have | 16:30 |
| ybit | they could elect to make their info private or public, and they can import or export their inventory list | 16:31 |
| ybit | s/preferences/information | 16:35 |
| kanzure | ybit: just cat test.html >> templates/IndexTemplate.tmpl | 16:55 |
| kanzure | auth.py 404 | 16:56 |
| ybit | kanzure: was afk | 17:08 |
| ybit | i removed auth.py, it was crap | 17:08 |
| ybit | s/was/is | 17:08 |
| ybit | still working on it | 17:08 |
| ybit | one suggestion is to move the header to the left more | 17:12 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/images/of1.png | 17:12 |
| ybit | and the body as well | 17:13 |
| kanzure | what was auth.py? | 17:14 |
| ybit | kanzure: grr, fine: http://ybit.ath.cx/code/auth.py | 17:16 |
| ybit | what might be the problem here? http://ybit.ath.cx/images/of_test_download.png | 17:40 |
| kanzure | bkero: if i was to spend money on a server somewhere in the world, where should i dump dollars | 17:41 |
| kanzure | ybit: margin-left on slide-images in general.css | 17:42 |
| ybit | i haven't touched the css yet, that was straight from adl | 17:42 |
| ybit | javascripts/ included | 17:42 |
| ybit | i could do margin-right: 50% | 17:45 |
| ybit | bu that still doesn't explain why faq is missing and why all the funky positioning | 17:45 |
| bkero | kanzure: need a bit more description. Do you want to colocate your own box? What are your priorities? | 17:46 |
| bkero | Do you just want a VM somewhere? | 17:46 |
| ybit | i bet i know why, it's probably using some of my other css files | 17:46 |
| bkero | Stockholm is a great choice, Florida and Portland are both cheap | 17:46 |
| ybit | yup | 17:46 |
| ybit | it was using screen.css | 17:47 |
| ybit | speaking of floriday, bkero, that server still hasn't arrived there? | 17:47 |
| kanzure | bkero: i need a shell and awesome bandwidth | 17:47 |
| ybit | florida | 17:47 |
| bkero | ybit: arrives in seattle on the 5th | 17:47 |
| kanzure | i would like to be able to hae root privledges | 17:48 |
| bkero | kanzure: I can offer you a VM in sunny Portland for less than the leading competitor | 17:48 |
| kanzure | so i guess a dedicated box, or a vm box | 17:48 |
| kanzure | alright. what's the specs on the deal | 17:48 |
| bkero | I'm switching colo providers at the moment but should be ready next week. | 17:49 |
| bkero | tens of gigs of space, a core or two, 512/1gb | 17:49 |
| bkero | 10gb for your rootfs and access to a couple TB of shared space | 17:49 |
| bkero | as much transfer as you can manage | 17:50 |
| kanzure | alright great | 17:52 |
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| kanzure | any ideas on the price range? | 17:52 |
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| kanzure | bkero: ? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | blah i hope it won't be too much of a pita to integrate users on the website with the commit logs etc. | 18:49 |
| kanzure | oh right you can change them by the variables passed to git no? | 18:50 |
| ybit | kanzure: http://ybit.ath.cx/omnifab/test.html | 19:01 |
| ybit | looks a lot better | 19:01 |
| ybit | the formatting, but it still has a lot to go | 19:01 |
| ybit | anywho, i'm going to implement the login now | 19:02 |
| kanzure | a login to what? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | :p | 19:09 |
| kanzure | there's nothing there | 19:09 |
| ybit | guess i should clarify, currenlty it's the registration where they can specify what hardware they have and personal details for the fun of it | 19:10 |
| ybit | but if they register, they should be able to login, so, it's all of it :) | 19:10 |
| kanzure | um what representation of inventory have you made? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | sorry i think you're doing this backwards | 19:16 |
| ybit | none, details can be filled in though me thinks | 19:21 |
| kanzure | what details | 19:21 |
| ybit | for the inventory, e.g. a reprap and its components ("generic enough for you") | 19:23 |
| kanzure | please explain in terms of actual code what you want to do | 19:23 |
| ybit | user registers and selects which supported machines he or she has. this generates a inventory.yaml for that user. it's just that, a listing of what they have... and that's all i'm proposing | 19:25 |
| ybit | atm | 19:25 |
| kanzure | they select it | 19:25 |
| kanzure | why | 19:25 |
| ybit | why not? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | because that could take forever | 19:26 |
| ybit | could, but notice i said 'supported' machines | 19:26 |
| ybit | atm, i don't think skdb is going to support much | 19:26 |
| kanzure | sorry that's not scalable | 19:26 |
| kanzure | how about you go with the original plan? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | of letting them type in the names of their tools? | 19:26 |
| ybit | and that is? | 19:26 |
| ybit | they could do that too, i mentioned importing and exporting of inventory lists earlier | 19:27 |
| kanzure | so then how are you letting them select the parts/tools | 19:27 |
| kanzure | did you fix the package view page or something? | 19:27 |
| ybit | if they can't find their piece of machinery in the list, they could always specify. | 19:27 |
| kanzure | blah | 19:27 |
| ybit | a list | 19:27 |
| kanzure | where is this list coming from | 19:28 |
| ybit | i'm assuming someone will have to generate it | 19:28 |
| kanzure | why isn't it using PackageView | 19:28 |
| kanzure | or maybe it's just called Package in web.py | 19:28 |
| ybit | dammit. where do you specify your css in IndexTemplate.tmpl? I've tried /styles, ../styles, and just general.css | 19:40 |
| ybit | I've edited both IndexTemplate.tmpl and IndexTemplate.py | 19:40 |
| kanzure | sorry what? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | IndexTemplate.tmpl should be test.html basically | 19:42 |
| kanzure | it doesn't matter where styles/ is because that's the browser's concern | 19:43 |
| kanzure | to be honest this is why i don't like cherrypy | 19:43 |
| kanzure | i mean using the cherrypy server | 19:43 |
| kanzure | if we use apache we can have it look for the static files first and redirect anything else to cherrypy | 19:44 |
| ybit | 19:42 < kanzure> IndexTemplate.tmpl should be test.html basically | 19:45 |
| ybit | yep, it is | 19:45 |
| ybit | so is everything in the docstring for responde.write | 19:46 |
| ybit | respond* | 19:46 |
| kanzure | you should be able to ignore IndexTemplate.py | 19:46 |
| ybit | maybe i should specify a virtual_path for styles? i don't know what the problem is | 19:54 |
| kanzure | the problem is that cherrypy does not host static content | 19:54 |
| kanzure | media is static content imho | 19:54 |
| ybit | i'd think so as well, but is including a giant server like apache something we want? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | lighttpd? | 19:56 |
| ybit | i'm fine with that | 19:58 |
| kanzure | maybe you should ask #cherrypy on oftc | 19:58 |
| ybit | http://hostingfu.com/article/nginx-vs-lighttpd-for-a-small-vps | 19:59 |
| ybit | http://superjared.com/entry/benching-lighttpd-vs-nginx-static-files/ | 20:07 |
| ybit | there's hardly a difference in either, nginx's community isn't bad as suggested in one of those links | 20:09 |
| ybit | mailing list is indeed where you will get the most help | 20:09 |
| ybit | right, so.. fenn.. | 20:14 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/images/imogen_heap_what.cd.png | 20:14 |
| ybit | told ya so | 20:14 |
| ybit | now who's bullshitting who? huh, huuh? :) | 20:15 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/omnifab/registration.html | 21:49 |
| ybit | need to create a privacy policy and terms of service | 21:49 |
| ybit | kanzure: what catptcha to use? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | ybit: let's not | 21:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: what is yellow? | 21:50 |
| ybit | kanzure: what is your suggestion to block spam if not by captchas? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | just being reasonable. don't allow more than a certain number of login attempts in a certain time period | 21:59 |
| kanzure | give them a public API and sandboxed API to play around with | 21:59 |
| ybit | fsf.org doesn't have a privacy policy or a terms of service | 22:07 |
| fenn | why are you making it complicated and saurian? | 22:08 |
| ybit | fenn: what's complicated? | 22:11 |
| fenn | privacy policy, terms of service, captchas | 22:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: if dave was to drop by when would you be awake | 22:12 |
| fenn | after 2pm | 22:12 |
| ybit | fenn: all have been removed | 22:13 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:15 |
| kanzure | don't you feel much better? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.myzeo.com/index.cfm?flashVar=homeBarbara&tnt=1&s_tnt=4228:1:0 | 22:15 |
| fenn | god its scary how regular the progression is | 22:18 |
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| kanzure | hey elevenarms | 22:19 |
| elevenarms | hello all | 22:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe you can add a color key? | 22:19 |
| fenn | what would be the fun in that | 22:20 |
| fenn | elevenarms: dunno if you care; danielfalck hangs out in #cam sometimes. he does some programming for chris king | 22:21 |
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| elevenarms | thanks, fenn... i'll check it out... | 22:32 |
| kanzure | bkero: are you among the living? | 22:39 |
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| kanzure | hello corvinius | 23:13 |
| bkero | kanzure: Yes I am. | 23:37 |
| bkero | After bio midterm | 23:37 |
| kanzure | any ideas on the pricerange? | 23:54 |
| kanzure | how was the midterm | 23:57 |
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