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| genehacker | pricerange for manufacturing processes? | 00:01 |
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| kanzure | for a server | 00:03 |
| genehacker | not much | 00:07 |
| genehacker | not cheap though | 00:07 |
| ybit | genehacker: he was asking bkero | 00:08 |
| ybit | bkero is offering server space i believe | 00:08 |
| kanzure | i don't need space, i need machiiiiinnneess | 00:08 |
| ybit | +with a good connection to teh nets :) | 00:09 |
| kanzure | fatter than an elephant's trunk | 00:09 |
| bkero | :) | 00:17 |
| any56576200 | what flavor machines? | 00:18 |
| bkero | It's a vm on a dual quad xeon, 16gb RAM, 2x1tb raid1 drives | 00:19 |
| * any56576200 is wrapping up configuring 10 boxes on the one shelf | 00:20 | |
| any56576200 | got another 6gig of ram in the mail and another 10 300gig drives in the mail, will install when gets here | 00:20 |
| bkero | fancy | 00:20 |
| bkero | Get some hot automation action, get them to roll out themselves | 00:21 |
| bkero | pxeboot, kickstart, puppet | 00:21 |
| * any56576200 nods | 00:21 | |
| any56576200 | well, unfortunately for either me or all of you, it's entirely winxp | 00:21 |
| bkero | sucker | 00:21 |
| any56576200 | i discovered something: if i clone a winxp home edition using Seagate disk wizard, the cloned drive is a winxp Pro edition | 00:22 |
| genehacker | huh? | 00:23 |
| any56576200 | i allowed "automatic updates" to install a nvidia driver that trashed the machine, but i had an identical machine, so i cloned that one for to fix the first | 00:24 |
| any56576200 | neither was winxp pro, the clone is, the original isn't | 00:24 |
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| kanzure | if anyone cares i'll be unavailable this morning | 07:14 |
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| Utopiah | http://knowfree.net/2009/11/integrating-advanced-computer-aided-design-manufacturing-and-numerical-control-principles-and-implementations/ | 08:15 |
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| kanzure | back | 09:44 |
| kanzure | wow python makes it hard to parse html into a tree? http://codespeak.net/lxml/parsing.html | 09:58 |
| kanzure | i forgot about beautifulsoup, nevermind | 09:59 |
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| kanzure | heh he lists prices and percentages of various broken captchas: http://www.lafdc.com/captcha/ | 10:42 |
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| kanzure | sad that we're all on .austin.res.rr.com | 11:14 |
| kanzure | why haven't we unrolled a geeknet yet? | 11:14 |
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| ybit2 | kanzure, fenn: how do you propose we store usernames and passwords? | 12:05 |
| ybit2 | salt, hash, and then store it where.. i know you two are opposed to databases | 12:07 |
| ybit2 | even though you're building one :) | 12:07 |
| ybit2 | or is it just relational databases you are opposed to, my mind fails | 12:07 |
| kanzure | just go use a cherrypy openid module | 12:09 |
| kanzure | and if they don't have one, they should | 12:10 |
| kanzure | anyway why are we doing usernames and passwords right now? | 12:10 |
| ybit2 | i'm going the long-way around | 12:11 |
| ybit2 | eventually it will be needed, so might as well. | 12:11 |
| kanzure | i really like the 4chan/2chan/n-chan way of doing usernames | 12:11 |
| kanzure | but i guess you're looking for some permanent identity thingy | 12:12 |
| ybit2 | the point is so that tools, materials, and their locations are logged.. automating the process of having something made that you can't make yourself | 12:14 |
| kanzure | if len(element.contents) == 0: contents = element.contents[0] | 12:15 |
| kanzure | IndexError: list index out of range | 12:15 |
| kanzure | rawr | 12:15 |
| kanzure | wtfffff | 12:15 |
| ybit2 | so, unfortunately, i don't see how the N-chan model works | 12:15 |
| ybit2 | ..in this particular case | 12:15 |
| kanzure | okay | 12:15 |
| kanzure | you know what, you should ask #cherrpy on oftc | 12:16 |
| ybit2 | you're joking, right? :P | 12:17 |
| kanzure | fumanchu is very helpful | 12:17 |
| kanzure | no i'm not | 12:17 |
| ybit2 | oh | 12:17 |
| kanzure | they've been using cherrypy longer than i have | 12:17 |
| kanzure | and probably have some concepts as to what a "best practice" is | 12:17 |
| ybit2 | heh, it's typically dead which is why i thought you were joking | 12:18 |
| kanzure | or what one might look like | 12:18 |
| ybit2 | alright, i'll ask | 12:18 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/astraw/stdeb makes debian packages from python packages | 12:21 |
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| ybit2 | so staticfile and staticdir tools, those would have been helpful yesterday evening :) | 14:05 |
| ybit2 | hi genehacker, how goes it | 14:05 |
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| ybit2 | kanzure: the only person which responded in cherrypy mentioned storing them in a db | 14:08 |
| ybit2 | fenn, kanzure: how would you like to store usernames and passwords? do you really care? i can just put up something and then later, we can modify it | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | ybit: i still don't know why you're doing usernames | 14:33 |
| kanzure | the slashdot summary sounds very clueless: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/11/03/1450211/Scientists-Build-a-Smarter-Rat?art_pos=7 | 14:42 |
| kanzure | more so than they usually do | 14:42 |
| kanzure | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb2gcode/ | 14:48 |
| kanzure | in this edition of "terrible format A, meet terrible format B", .. | 14:52 |
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| ybit | i figure with user information, others can more easily find other users if they need help in building something | 15:53 |
| ybit | 12:14 < ybit2> the point is so that tools, materials, and their locations are logged.. automating the process of having something made that you can't make yourself | 15:53 |
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| genehacker | yeah but I doubt that people will just let you use their state of the art machining center... | 16:28 |
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| ybit | that's their choice, but if they know what skdb is while they are signing up and advertising what equipment they have, there's a good chance they will | 16:57 |
| genehacker | who says they will? | 16:59 |
| ybit | they do | 17:06 |
| ybit | it's not guaranteed, i'm sure we'll work out the details later though | 17:06 |
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| ybit | damn ex-girlfriends getting in the way of productivity | 17:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | depending on the definition of "productive" | 17:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | considering how much trouble men are to women are to men, and vice versa, it's mindboggling that they still get together, it's just not logical | 17:57 |
| ybit | i agree, but 'love' is illogical and without it, most people are miserable | 18:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | but isn't "love" biochemical, often triggered after "lust" ? | 18:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | and there's tons of cultural overtones too | 18:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | many , in all cultures, based on ownership, or greed, or dependancies | 18:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | i studied it because i can't see why some humans want robots to emulate human emotions, because most make no sense and are mostly trouble | 18:02 |
| ybit | that chemical reaction in the brain is complicated, you're miserable with and without it, and i'm not sure how to deal with it at this current state. how can you deal with it, say, in the future. if you can trigger that reaction anytime, i'm sure having too much of it isn't good for your body, and how would you know what to trigger it with. maybe you get this feeling the more productive you are, but then it sure would suck if you are run into a bug whi | 18:11 |
| kanzure | ybit: how about you work on the inventory representation like fenn and i have asked you to do a million times by now? | 18:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you are run into a bug whi <<== cut off, irc has a length limit per line | 18:15 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i'm going the long way around it for the millionth time. i.e. allowing users to login to site of preference, specify machines owned via a form, and a yaml is spit out which states which machines are owned. i'm guessing that we will only support whichever machines we can get our hands on, and reprap seems like a logical candidate atm | 18:24 |
| kanzure | sigh | 18:24 |
| kanzure | why are you going the long way around? | 18:24 |
| ybit | it's probbaly because it's something simple that i can see myself finishing quickly | 18:26 |
| kanzure | if you want to finish things quickly, why not use django? | 18:27 |
| ybit | that is website design with simple scripts, and it's somewhat related in that if the design is to be implemented i'll have to face that problem at some point. so maybe this will save us some drudge work later on. | 18:28 |
| ybit | because you and fenn switched to cherrypy.. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | if you want to get things done fast why not just do a "get things done fast" implementation | 18:30 |
| kanzure | where we don't break things | 18:30 |
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| genehacker | "We have a published protocol for describing changes to the ride -- it's built on Git3D's system for marking up and syncing three-dee models of objects" | 18:49 |
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| kanzure | i still haven't made much sense of this yet: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt | 20:16 |
| kanzure | it would be cool to map out what their architecture is | 20:17 |
| kanzure | but doing that just from names is patently absurd | 20:17 |
| kanzure | ooh.. http://doc.spatial.com/qref/ACIS/html/classSWEEP__ANNO__VERTEX__LAT.html | 20:18 |
| kanzure | ACIS library ref? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | isn't this proprietary? | 20:18 |
| kanzure | http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Portal:ACIS | 20:18 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:18 |
| kanzure | not many users: http://doc.spatial.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=500 | 20:20 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm ripping a copy so someone should ask for a zip in a few hours | 20:31 |
| kanzure | 20:51 < kanzure> making skdb dependent on OCC might have been a mistake :) | 20:54 |
| kanzure | 20:52 < Bluntz_> you think? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | 20:52 < Bluntz_> lol | 20:54 |
| kanzure | 20:52 < Bluntz_> 1.5 gb build | 20:54 |
| kanzure | 20:53 < Bluntz_> lmao | 20:54 |
| ybit | yeah, just got through reading that | 20:54 |
| ybit | you also forgot.. "<kanzure> i have this strong urge to just yank it out and write my own cad kernel.. but i know this will take a long time, and i am too eager" | 20:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you join #emc? | 21:00 |
| genehacker | WTF? all it takes is a 30 watt laser to temporarily blind a spy satellite | 21:02 |
| genehacker | http://www.noahshachtman.com/archives/002794.htm | 21:02 |
| genehacker | 30 stargazers with 1 watt green lasers and steady hands could temporarily blind a spy satellite | 21:03 |
| kanzure | sounds like you need very steady hands | 21:04 |
| genehacker | or a telescope with laser mounted on it | 21:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | and a place to do it, so you can go home and blend back in | 21:06 |
| genehacker | we did't mean to blind your satellite we were just star-pointing! | 21:07 |
| kanzure | yeah at the MC31419 galaxy cluster to be specific | 21:07 |
| kanzure | which you just so happened to be blocking | 21:07 |
| genehacker | it's just ridiculous | 21:08 |
| kanzure | it's sad when the little RNG in your head spits out the digits of pi | 21:08 |
| genehacker | you can be an evil genius for less than the price of a car | 21:08 |
| ybit | i'm through with web design for the night | 21:29 |
| kanzure | i told someone i get 40k hits/mo to my website and they're pressuring me to get a better template/design going | 21:30 |
| kanzure | meh | 21:30 |
| kanzure | "to show that i care" | 21:31 |
| ybit | care? | 21:34 |
| ybit | about what? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | appearances | 21:34 |
| ybit | that's lame | 21:34 |
| kanzure | not when you get volume.. | 21:35 |
| genehacker | what is there to install from skdb | 21:36 |
| kanzure | all of it | 21:36 |
| genehacker | do we have some useful hardware yet | 21:36 |
| ybit | genehacker: no | 21:36 |
| kanzure | screws | 21:36 |
| ybit | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pythonocc | 21:36 |
| ybit | i suck at css | 21:37 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:37 |
| kanzure | also, the skdb installation process is way too fucking complex | 21:38 |
| kanzure | for code that is so simple | 21:38 |
| genehacker | what does skdb do at the moment | 21:38 |
| genehacker | does it do anything more than lego blocks? | 21:39 |
| kanzure | part packaging, mating, bounding box collision detection, metric/imperial screws, legos, dependency representation, CAD, .. | 21:39 |
| genehacker | how does the dependency representation work? | 21:40 |
| genehacker | how is it determined? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | whoever writes it down | 21:42 |
| kanzure | basically it's in the form of "(x and y and z) or (A and (B or C))" | 21:42 |
| genehacker | not manufacturing processes | 21:43 |
| kanzure | yes actually. | 21:43 |
| kanzure | the items can be skdb packages or just generic manufacturing processes | 21:43 |
| kanzure | for instance, screw's metadata uses processes i think | 21:43 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml near the bottom | 21:43 |
| genehacker | I need to add something to the screw meta data | 21:45 |
| kanzure | what do you need to add? | 21:45 |
| kanzure | i wish github was written in python.. | 21:45 |
| kanzure | (instead of on rails) | 21:45 |
| genehacker | machined screws fatigue faster than rolled screws | 21:46 |
| genehacker | it's very important | 21:46 |
| kanzure | is there an equation for this | 21:46 |
| genehacker | no] | 21:46 |
| genehacker | it's completely dependent on how the screws are made | 21:46 |
| kanzure | and there's no way to tell? | 21:47 |
| genehacker | what metal fatigue? | 21:47 |
| genehacker | metal fatigue times? | 21:47 |
| genehacker | not really | 21:48 |
| genehacker | it's just a fact | 21:48 |
| genehacker | using machined screws in high fatigue places causes lots of trouble | 21:49 |
| genehacker | especially on airplanes | 21:49 |
| kanzure | it's not magical though | 21:49 |
| genehacker | of course it's not | 21:49 |
| genehacker | it's standard somewhere | 21:50 |
| genehacker | also predicting metal fatigue is very hard without some very proprietary and under the wraps software which we don't have and requires the extensive usage of electron microscopy of processed parts. | 21:51 |
| genehacker | even then then it's a mythical beast to me | 21:54 |
| genehacker | anyway this is a social engineering knowledge base | 21:57 |
| kanzure | i always thought it was societal | 21:57 |
| genehacker | what ever | 21:57 |
| kanzure | well it's not a knowledge base about social engineering | 21:57 |
| genehacker | this is fairly important data | 21:58 |
| kanzure | okay | 21:58 |
| kanzure | i wasn't doubting that | 21:58 |
| genehacker | do I need to add it or will you take care of it | 22:00 |
| kanzure | i don't know what to add | 22:00 |
| genehacker | now how can I phrase this | 22:01 |
| genehacker | screws produced by machining processes are not suitable for usage in high vibration, high fatigue, or critical applications | 22:02 |
| genehacker | use screws produced by rolling instead, OR ELSE | 22:02 |
| kanzure | can you characterize high vabration | 22:02 |
| kanzure | and high fatigue | 22:02 |
| kanzure | in terms of units please | 22:03 |
| kanzure | *vibration | 22:03 |
| kanzure | vabration is optional :) | 22:03 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_thread | 22:03 |
| genehacker | oh look at this | 22:03 |
| genehacker | wikipedia has some meta data | 22:03 |
| genehacker | MECHANICAL | 22:04 |
| genehacker | Yield and shear yield stress increased | 22:04 |
| genehacker | Fatigue resistance is increased | 22:04 |
| genehacker | Ductility is decreased | 22:04 |
| genehacker | that data | 22:04 |
| genehacker | not sure at this point | 22:04 |
| kanzure | hey world, please give me data | 22:05 |
| kanzure | thxbai | 22:05 |
| ybit | world: fuck you and all your neurons | 22:05 |
| genehacker | time to search through my notes | 22:05 |
| kanzure | why don't you put your notes on a website | 22:05 |
| genehacker | they're in .docx | 22:06 |
| kanzure | they can be converted | 22:06 |
| kanzure | also why are they in .docx :p | 22:06 |
| genehacker | with the equations intact? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i think there's a doc-to-latex conversion thingy but i'm not sure | 22:06 |
| genehacker | because I use winblows equation editor to make nice pretty equations in my notes | 22:07 |
| kanzure | do you do it in real time | 22:07 |
| kanzure | like while they are being written on the overhead | 22:07 |
| genehacker | semi real time | 22:08 |
| genehacker | is latex faster and does it work in open office? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | latex can be faster but it has a bit of a learning curve at first | 22:08 |
| kanzure | there's something called lyx which is a graphical frontend to latex | 22:08 |
| kanzure | lyx: http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2469116/LyxSumProblem.jpeg | 22:09 |
| kanzure | microsoft windows equation editor: http://static.rbytes.net/fullsize_screenshots/e/q/equations-for-windows.jpg | 22:10 |
| genehacker | wait do I have to select stuff from a list to do everything or can I just type it in | 22:11 |
| kanzure | you can just type it in | 22:11 |
| kanzure | but if you don't know how to do something you can select it from a list | 22:11 |
| kanzure | i think lyx runs on windows too | 22:11 |
| kanzure | latex is what people use to make all of their science papers, etc. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | except matt.. matt has to be the only guy i know who avoids LaTeX | 22:12 |
| genehacker | can it convert the latex code to nice looking equations with a key stroke? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | lyx does that automatically while you type it in i think | 22:12 |
| genehacker | in openoffice or word? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | and you can add a shortcut key i think. most kde apps let you just assign a key stroke to just about anything.. | 22:12 |
| kanzure | lyx is separate | 22:12 |
| genehacker | that won't work | 22:13 |
| genehacker | that's why I use winblows equation editor | 22:13 |
| genehacker | because I can type the equation in, press alt= and bam I have a nice looking equation | 22:13 |
| kanzure | that's the idea, yeah | 22:15 |
| genehacker | also, my laptop runs longer on winblows and I like to have BOINC running while I take notes | 22:15 |
| kanzure | hey why do you call it winblows | 22:16 |
| genehacker | because it blows | 22:17 |
| genehacker | right now firefox is broken | 22:17 |
| genehacker | windows explorer can crash | 22:18 |
| genehacker | and 1000 other things | 22:20 |
| genehacker | ok here's what you put | 22:23 |
| genehacker | rolled threads have increased cyclic loading fatigue resistance | 22:23 |
| genehacker | actually that might go in thread making process | 22:31 |
| genehacker | kanzure awhile back you said you got a book on manufacturing correct? | 22:35 |
| genehacker | it didn't happen to be schey did it? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | i'll check in a few minutes | 22:36 |
| genehacker | over manufacturing processes? | 22:37 |
| genehacker | if so that book has almost everything worth putting in processes | 22:39 |
| ybit | kanzure: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=winblows | 23:42 |
| ybit | it's been around awhile, that entry was in 2003 | 23:43 |
| kanzure | it was around that same time that people started to think it was newbish to say that though | 23:43 |
| ybit | hehe | 23:43 |
| ybit | i think 'lol' got old sometime in 2007 as well | 23:43 |
| ybit | a little before maybe | 23:44 |
| kanzure | 2007? much earlier. | 23:45 |
| * ybit is trying to get festival to speak wikipedia entries clearly so i have decent podcasts to listen to | 23:45 | |
| ybit | more than likely, i'm slightly delusional atm | 23:45 |
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