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| ybit | heh, i think everyone here is interested in that danielcc | 00:01 |
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| danielcc | Thats great!!! | 00:02 |
| ybit | what exactly are you looking at building right now? | 00:02 |
| ybit | Phreedom has been working on a precision positioning system | 00:03 |
| ybit | check out http://freefab.org in a few days, it should be back up then | 00:03 |
| danielcc | short term: afm, and photo-lithography | 00:03 |
| danielcc | long term: complete clean room | 00:03 |
| ybit | welcome to the club | 00:04 |
| danielcc | lol | 00:05 |
| ybit | have you seen the threads about afm on the diybio mailing list? | 00:05 |
| ybit | and how far have you come along in your projects? | 00:06 |
| danielcc | We have not started building, but I have assembled a team and we have a professor who specialized in AFM as well as clean room equipment. | 00:07 |
| danielcc | this guy has even grown his own tips | 00:08 |
| ybit | the freefab roadmap: http://pastebin.ca/1676046 | 00:09 |
| ybit | anyway, stick around, grab a bite to eat and watch out for that guy over there (fenn) | 00:11 |
| danielcc | i may have to hang it up for the night soon | 00:11 |
| danielcc | it is after 1 here, and i only got 3 hours of sleep last nigh | 00:11 |
| ybit | where are you? | 00:11 |
| danielcc | south carolina | 00:12 |
| ybit | ah, alabama here, one hour behind you | 00:12 |
| ybit | you should probably sleep now :) | 00:12 |
| ybit | see you around | 00:12 |
| danielcc | kk | 00:13 |
| danielcc | i will try to drag some more guys up on here that are interested on this project... I am going to leave the channel open if you have any ideas over the night | 00:14 |
| ybit | kanzure: any luck on finding the banana plug? | 00:14 |
| kanzure | no | 00:14 |
| ybit | ideas? well.. http://ybit.ath.cx/books/Scanning%20tunneling%20micscrope.pdf might be helpful | 00:15 |
| kanzure | updated: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt | 00:18 |
| kanzure | high voltage: http://205.243.100.155/frames/Z02A.jpg | 00:19 |
| ybit | it's kind of hard to do much beyond writing an inventory.yaml though | 00:20 |
| kanzure | not true | 00:20 |
| kanzure | i don't think you read what i wrote to you about this | 00:20 |
| kanzure | the idea is to help users identify what they have | 00:21 |
| ybit | go on.. | 00:21 |
| ybit | or copy/paste please.. | 00:21 |
| kanzure | so by looking up at the current packages we will ask them if the top n-most-similar packages are what they meant | 00:21 |
| kanzure | so if they says 'sears blowtorch' and it brings up 'blowtorch' that'll be it | 00:21 |
| ybit | for some strange reason, i had it in my head that the only supported hardware for the time being would be a reprap | 00:22 |
| ybit | for the time being == until we can get our hands on something else | 00:23 |
| kanzure | i have other tools laying around | 00:23 |
| kanzure | like a hammer | 00:23 |
| kanzure | no reprap though | 00:23 |
| genehacker | I wonder when my reprap will finish being printed... | 00:59 |
| * ybit likey http://pypi.python.org/pypi/windmill | 01:05 | |
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| fenn | ybit the -lShealOper thing is because it can't find the library, either because it doesn't exist, isn't named properly, or the paths (env variable) are set wrong | 04:23 |
| fenn | i'd love to go to vandenberg to watch the rocket, but i'm hitching a ride with joseph jackson to SF-area and dunno what the schedule is like | 04:24 |
| * fenn forgets what the other question was | 04:27 | |
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| fenn | the myvu actually works.. that's a relief | 08:10 |
| fenn | doesn't seem to like converted S-video too much though | 08:10 |
| fenn | had to plug in the video connector like 6 times before it decided to work | 08:11 |
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| ybit | fenn: yeah, i figured that much ( that it couldn't find the library), i did forget to use -NO_GEOM | 09:11 |
| ybit | forgot you'rer heading to s.f. to visit with your brother | 09:11 |
| * ybit growls at typos | 09:12 | |
| ybit | kanzure: knowledge in the meetlog, now that's an interesting heading, maybe something like interesting reading would be more appropriate since people are sharing knowledge all the time? | 09:40 |
| kanzure | knowledge isn't the right word | 09:59 |
| kanzure | it's more like "heard-of" or "to-stalk" | 09:59 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everhart-Thornley_detector | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | scriptaculous, prototypejs, or yui. anyone like one in particular? | 12:06 |
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| ybit2 | i find it entertaining that the bios on this computer says "keyboard not found, press F1 to continue" | 12:10 |
| ybit | w00t, tunneling from work | 12:19 |
| ybit | kanzure: yui | 12:19 |
| ybit | and i also like jquery | 12:19 |
| ybit | as much as one can stand javascript thatis | 12:19 |
| ybit | fenn: mind sharing your first impressions of the myvu? | 12:20 |
| kanzure | yui looks like my pick too. was just playing around with the dojo fisheye view demo: http://demos.dojotoolkit.org/demos/fisheye/ | 12:21 |
| ybit | btw http://www.nltk.org/ looks neat | 12:22 |
| ybit | i was influenced by this morningg's podcast dedicated to it | 12:22 |
| kanzure | yeah i was using nltk's wordnet module a few days ago | 12:23 |
| ybit | oh wow, that fisheye demo is nice | 12:23 |
| kanzure | i don't like how it spontaneously closes when you click on something. like if you click on the first icon you get an alert() and then it immediately closes. | 12:23 |
| kanzure | it should have a time lag since your mouse was stolen from you | 12:23 |
| kanzure | (well not stolen but still) | 12:23 |
| ybit | what closes? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | jquery slide out / slide in is pretty nice. $("div.contentToChange p.firstparagraph:hidden").slideDown("slow"); | 12:24 |
| kanzure | $("div.contentToChange p.firstparagraph:visible").slideUp("slow"); | 12:24 |
| kanzure | ybit: the fisheye view goes back to "regular" when i click on the alert ("ok") button | 12:24 |
| ybit | using mozilla 3.5.5 and it doesn't close | 12:24 |
| ybit | this is on windows | 12:24 |
| ybit | ah, right | 12:25 |
| kanzure | it also seems to mimic my jerky finger | 12:25 |
| ybit | have you had a chance to call biobasic? | 12:25 |
| kanzure | i called them yesterday but nobody picked up, so i left a message | 12:25 |
| fenn | ybit: it's sort of like you're looking through a tube; the viewable angle is very small compared to the amount covered up by the glasses/plastic crap. the image looks ok when fed true composite video, like a TV | 12:25 |
| ybit | i would call back | 12:25 |
| kanzure | yeah the image quality was fine | 12:26 |
| fenn | and it doesn't fit in front of glasses very easily | 12:26 |
| fenn | which is a major bummer for me and probably every other nerd on the planet | 12:26 |
| * kanzure was playing some dragon ball z on it | 12:26 | |
| ybit2 | :P | 12:26 |
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| fenn | in short i would have bought a microoptical if i could | 12:27 |
| fenn | but that's to be expected | 12:27 |
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| kanzure | nice links: http://p9.hostingprod.com/@modha.org/blog/2009/11/post_3.html on the supercomputing2009 cat brain topic | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | hm: http://www.labspaces.net/ | 13:17 |
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| kanzure | hey branstrom, wrldpc2 | 14:04 |
| branstrom | world peace? | 14:05 |
| branstrom | sure | 14:05 |
| branstrom | spread it | 14:05 |
| branstrom | spread the love | 14:05 |
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| wrldpc2 | aloha | 14:20 |
| kanzure | ahola? | 14:23 |
| kanzure | ok so it looks like jquery | 14:23 |
| kanzure | btw, i'm hosting a get together at my pad sometime this week or next | 14:24 |
| ybit | you have a pad? i've got to get one of those | 14:46 |
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| kanzure | hey genehacker | 14:58 |
| kanzure | genehacker: http://doodle.com/sv36n7vsc4grw9cn fill that out or else | 14:59 |
| genehacker | already did | 15:02 |
| kanzure | you can do the bus thing or some people are probably willing to drive | 15:02 |
| kanzure | looks like saturday's going to be it | 15:03 |
| kanzure | but we'll see | 15:03 |
| genehacker | yeah | 15:03 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 15:03 |
| genehacker | we got a decent amount of people | 15:03 |
| genehacker | perhaps we should start some club or something using the school funding thing | 15:03 |
| kanzure | if the school wants to give me money that would be neat | 15:04 |
| genehacker | you have to ask for it | 15:04 |
| kanzure | "i can has monies?" | 15:05 |
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| genehacker2 | you said you found some people interested in synbio? | 15:05 |
| genehacker2 | dammit | 15:05 |
| kanzure | yeah i'd say a few at least | 15:06 |
| genehacker2 | hmmm... | 15:07 |
| genehacker2 | so supposedly there's supposed to be some goons handing out a jiggered version of the origin of the species on campus | 15:07 |
| genehacker2 | today | 15:07 |
| genehacker2 | also has Dave finished his makerbot? | 15:08 |
| genehacker2 | and do you have a backyard? | 15:08 |
| kanzure | dave finished his makerbot | 15:11 |
| kanzure | he won't be here until next week though :( | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i don't have a backyard but i have a parking lot that's mostly empty. also a playground across the street | 15:11 |
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| kanzure | standardization in lab automation: http://www.sila.coop/ | 15:17 |
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| kanzure | 15:20 < jonathan___> two acrynyms: AEGIS and SAMRS | 15:24 |
| kanzure | david nunez will be back in town next week and wants to meet up | 15:27 |
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| genehacker | did you meet any other ME's? | 15:29 |
| kanzure | tim silverman | 15:30 |
| genehacker | yeah, besides him? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | aniruddha nene ( http://cdm.com/ ) | 15:30 |
| kanzure | a few others (john kidenda or something) | 15:30 |
| genehacker | is he an undergrad? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | no | 15:30 |
| kanzure | no undergrad mech-e people really | 15:30 |
| genehacker | dnag | 15:30 |
| kanzure | bbl | 15:30 |
| kanzure | eating or showering or something | 15:30 |
| kanzure | maybe eating while showering | 15:30 |
| genehacker | ok | 15:31 |
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| fenn | maybe eating while showering http://www.fototime.com/{C9F28F2D-CDC2-4A1C-96CB-7343990698CB}/picture.JPG | 15:58 |
| kanzure | looks like 4 people are showing up on saturday? http://doodle.com/sv36n7vsc4grw9cn | 16:02 |
| ybit | jeebus kanzure | 16:02 |
| ybit | i swear my phone almost died because of the many retweets it received in such a short time | 16:03 |
| kanzure | wait people actually use twitter? | 16:03 |
| ybit | seriously, it was overheating and i was being alerted that the batter was low because it really couldn't handle it all :P | 16:03 |
| ybit | it | 16:03 |
| ybit | 's an ancient phone | 16:03 |
| ybit | almost as old as my computer | 16:03 |
| ybit | had to eventually unsubscribe from your tweets | 16:04 |
| ybit | oi tabs | 16:04 |
| ybit | kanzure: do you want to go see the rocket launch on monday? | 16:05 |
| ybit | my flight isn't until 2pm that day | 16:05 |
| kanzure | i need to look at my itinerary | 16:05 |
| kanzure | i leave from LAX at 1:50 on the 7th | 16:05 |
| ybit | just because we have the same hotel room doesn't mean we are going to do the same things, right. i may go visit with the u.c. irvine peeps | 16:05 |
| ybit | i think the virtual reality lab would be fun | 16:06 |
| ybit | so we are leaving about the same time | 16:06 |
| genehacker | wait a second isn't that during finals week? | 16:06 |
| kanzure | planning stuff usually sucks | 16:06 |
| ybit | the launch is @ 6am | 16:06 |
| kanzure | it's a better idea to just hang out with people | 16:06 |
| genehacker | or am I miscalibrated | 16:06 |
| kanzure | nope, you're right | 16:07 |
| genehacker | you must have really easy classes | 16:08 |
| ybit | i often debate how much it really is worth finishing school :\ | 16:08 |
| genehacker | I think it is worth it | 16:08 |
| genehacker | you get a piece of paper other people seem to value | 16:08 |
| ybit | maybe, if you aren't able to start a business yourself | 16:08 |
| ybit | people only care about that piece of paper if you are working for them, they aren't going to ask nor check on it if they are doing business with you | 16:09 |
| ybit | and if you are doing programming, that paper is useless | 16:09 |
| ybit | i will finish school only because i'm not going in debt while attending | 16:10 |
| ybit | free to go, so i might as well | 16:10 |
| * ybit was about to continue his spill on college versus education but decides not to | 16:11 | |
| ybit | versus self-education | 16:11 |
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| fenn | it's spiel btw | 16:12 |
| ybit | eh? | 16:13 |
| ybit | i think just hanging out is a good idea to, less hassle | 16:14 |
| kanzure | spill/spiel | 16:14 |
| fenn | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3Aspiel&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | 16:14 |
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| kanzure | fenn: want to meet up with this guy tonight? http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~akatti/ | 16:14 |
| kanzure | http://rjpinnell.info/ is giving me a ride | 16:14 |
| ybit | phew, i thought fenn had taken a picture of kanzure eating while showering :P | 16:15 |
| fenn | no, he seems ok but i'm from mars | 16:15 |
| kanzure | going to sleep soon? | 16:15 |
| fenn | nod | 16:15 |
| ybit | oic, spiel, gracias | 16:15 |
| genehacker | hey you guys know about the tesla coils right? | 16:15 |
| genehacker | at 6:30? | 16:15 |
| ybit | you mentioned something about them | 16:16 |
| genehacker | 6:30 in front of the tower... | 16:16 |
| kanzure | this is depressing: http://www.briansolis.com/2009/11/guess-how-many-tweets-fly-across-twitter-each-day/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Pr20+(PR+2.0)&utm_content=Pageflakes | 16:20 |
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| genehacker | I've seen more depressing things before | 16:22 |
| ybit | fenn: how big does the picture seem in the myvu? does it seem like you're viewing a 60in t.v. from 10 feet away, etc.? | 16:23 |
| ybit | kanzure: are you calling back biobasic today? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | oh should i? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | i left a message | 16:23 |
| ybit | i think we've reached the point where they expect us to contact them | 16:23 |
| kanzure | should i call ashlee? | 16:24 |
| genehacker | so fenn's hacking a myvu? | 16:25 |
| genehacker | someone already made a wearable out of one | 16:25 |
| kanzure | hm i can't seem to get her on the phone number she gave | 16:25 |
| ybit | yes, her and jennifer are over marketing/new partnerships | 16:25 |
| ybit | you could just try calling their mainline | 16:25 |
| ybit | but that's probably not the best way to go since they have so many of them | 16:26 |
| kanzure | which ones? | 16:26 |
| kanzure | blah got a machine | 16:26 |
| ybit | they have customer service, marketing, and and two others i believe | 16:26 |
| ybit | 1-(800) 313 7224, (905) 474 4493 | 16:26 |
| ybit | ..or maybe that's another company | 16:26 |
| ybit | anyway, that's their mainline | 16:27 |
| kanzure | yeah this isn't working | 16:27 |
| kanzure | i always get their mailbox no matter which option i pick | 16:27 |
| ybit | try calling tomorrow 12pm cst | 16:29 |
| genehacker | that seems like a good idea | 16:30 |
| kanzure | ybit: ok i sent an email out | 16:36 |
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| kanzure | zancas: i was wondering if we've met | 17:03 |
| zancas | i dont think so | 17:19 |
| kanzure | pyjamas looks pretty cool | 17:33 |
| kanzure | http://pyjs.org/examples/showcase/build/Showcase.html | 17:33 |
| kanzure | but | 17:33 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to have as many effects/animations as yui or jquery | 17:34 |
| kanzure | http://pastebin.com/fb45e73b pyjamas + jquery, thanks lazyweb | 17:34 |
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| ybit | my google search for undefined reference to `vtable for VintagePort'. resulted in my pastebin from september | 18:08 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/f20d979b6 | 18:09 |
| ybit | that's the newest pastebin with the same or similar error | 18:09 |
| kanzure | sounds like proof that you're going in circles | 18:10 |
| ybit | maybe | 18:13 |
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| katsmeow-afk | why is my gigabit nics and gigabit switch slower than the "nic" on the mobo and the 10/100 router? | 20:19 |
| kanzure | blah | 20:45 |
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| genehacker | did you see the tesla coils kanzure? | 21:02 |
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| kanzure | jennifer says the market price is $0.39/bp right now | 22:20 |
| genehacker | so does google | 22:23 |
| genehacker | seems to have gone up | 22:24 |
| genehacker | wonder why | 22:24 |
| kanzure | blah | 22:26 |
| kanzure | yet again marcin ignores us | 22:26 |
| kanzure | fuck this bullshit | 22:26 |
| genehacker | keep bothering them | 22:32 |
| kanzure | no | 22:37 |
| kanzure | it's been more than a year now | 22:37 |
| kanzure | fuck them | 22:37 |
| genehacker | oh well | 22:43 |
| kanzure | http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=OS_Fab_Lab_Proposal | 22:57 |
| kanzure | there, i edited his page | 22:57 |
| genehacker | that marcin | 23:12 |
| genehacker | oh | 23:12 |
| genehacker | anyway has treadwell finished his makerbot? | 23:14 |
| genehacker | there's something I'd like to try | 23:14 |
| kanzure | yep | 23:14 |
| kanzure | but he is out of town until sunday :( | 23:14 |
| genehacker | really? | 23:14 |
| genehacker | dang | 23:14 |
| genehacker | I'd like to buy him some PLA | 23:14 |
| genehacker | PLA supposedly dissolves in NaOH | 23:19 |
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| genehacker | this can be taken advantage of to do investment casting of metals | 23:19 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | Hey, this is Jason. Just installed the chat for firefox, and I look forward to some awesome, mind-blowing conversation! | 23:20 |
| genehacker | are you by any chance affiliated with the architecture school of UT? | 23:21 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | No, I'm actually in the RTF department, but I also take classes in economics, comp sci, and business. | 23:22 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:22 |
| genehacker | the architecture department has a lasercutter... | 23:22 |
| kanzure | hey jasonwohlfahrt | 23:23 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | Hey Bryan! | 23:23 |
| kanzure | just got off the phone | 23:23 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: did you see this? http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=OS_Fab_Lab_Proposal | 23:23 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | Very cool. I'm very interested in this. Unfortunately, we didn't get a lot of time to discuss this at 3DS. | 23:24 |
| kanzure | yep | 23:24 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | But hey, there's always tomorrow | 23:24 |
| kanzure | yeah | 23:25 |
| kanzure | hey so if you show up tomorrow, just know that i have a thing from 4 to 6 or something | 23:25 |
| kanzure | fenn should be around though | 23:25 |
| kanzure | otherwise i should be hanging around | 23:25 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool, I'll probably head over around 6 | 23:25 |
| kanzure | so can daniel make it on saturday? | 23:26 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I've been doing some research into life optimization software | 23:26 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | should be able to | 23:26 |
| kanzure | today i was talking with rene | 23:26 |
| kanzure | and to my surprise he knew about supermemo | 23:26 |
| kanzure | http://supermemo.com/ | 23:26 |
| kanzure | have you seen this? | 23:26 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | nope | 23:27 |
| kanzure | i used to do a lot of supermemo stuff. http://heybryan.org/todo.html | 23:27 |
| kanzure | my server is way too slow | 23:27 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | looks like a really cool site | 23:27 |
| genehacker | argh, I'm trying to remember the free online social learning version of that | 23:27 |
| genehacker | where you can learn stuff from other people's super memo type things | 23:28 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | have you done much computation and permutation programming? probably a dumb question, just curious | 23:28 |
| kanzure | there were a few web based versions but they suck | 23:28 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: permutations like abc, abd, abe, abf, abg, .. ? | 23:28 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | yeah | 23:28 |
| kanzure | er i guess | 23:29 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I'm looking into permutation-related solutions | 23:29 |
| genehacker | for? | 23:29 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | maximizing efficiency in every aspect of life | 23:30 |
| genehacker | every aspect? | 23:30 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | there are some startling implications to what you can do with what i'd call "life optimization" software | 23:31 |
| genehacker | now you might need a wearable computer to find those solutions for you on the go | 23:31 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | we'd start small @genehacker | 23:31 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | and then scale up | 23:31 |
| genehacker | fortunately there's one out there called an iphone | 23:31 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | haha, yep | 23:31 |
| genehacker | describe how you would use these permutation based solutions | 23:32 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | for a very simple case, I would use permutation to maximize the efficiency of a woman's purse | 23:32 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | you can of course calculate efficiency across a wide spectrum | 23:33 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | so maybe you could start with space | 23:33 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | ie volume inside of a purse | 23:33 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I know some women who could use some help organizing their purse(s) | 23:34 |
| genehacker | so how do you determine how to arrange everything in 3d space? | 23:35 |
| kanzure | imran and i were talking in another window | 23:35 |
| kanzure | sorry about that | 23:35 |
| kanzure | well basically i guess you could optimize the way that things are put into the space | 23:35 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | exactly | 23:35 |
| kanzure | but the problem is that for these small problems you get deminishing returns | 23:35 |
| kanzure | i mean, you can optimize the hell out of what goes into a backpack | 23:35 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | yeah, you have to scale | 23:35 |
| kanzure | like a super tetris game or something | 23:35 |
| kanzure | but to be honest, spending another 40 seconds on planning how to pack doesn't save you that much overall | 23:36 |
| genehacker | oh boy, sounds like an NP complete problem | 23:36 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | sorry, what's np? | 23:36 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | im a bit ignorant when it comes to certain terms | 23:37 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete | 23:37 |
| genehacker | http://xkcd.com/287/ | 23:37 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | oh, i get it | 23:37 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool! | 23:37 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | ive been looking for a term to describe that concept | 23:38 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i've also been reading about singularity | 23:39 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | really fascinating stuff | 23:39 |
| genehacker | anyway, I think you'd have a harder time telling the computer the problem than you would when preforming random walk optimization | 23:39 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I have a way around this, but its difficult to explain succinctly | 23:39 |
| genehacker | ie just randomely putting stuff in a purse until you get it the rightway | 23:39 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:39 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | one aspect of my solution involves user generated object databases | 23:40 |
| genehacker | heh | 23:40 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | basically, i want to design the programs so that all the user needs to do is push a button or run a program | 23:40 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | and bam, she has her purse set up for going out to a night at the movies | 23:41 |
| genehacker | sounds something like we'd want to do with skdb and what not | 23:41 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | the program tells her to bring a box of kleenex for the tear jerker movie | 23:41 |
| kanzure | oops, back | 23:42 |
| kanzure | i hate people using different im mediums | 23:42 |
| genehacker | how does it learn that? | 23:42 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | otherwise she'll have to go to the movie theater bathroom, and people know how dirty those can get | 23:42 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | that's a bit difficult to explain as well | 23:42 |
| genehacker | and I hate the imperial system of measurements kanzure | 23:42 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i wish we were in person | 23:42 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | so i could explain faster | 23:42 |
| genehacker | can it be explained in words? | 23:43 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i'd have to think about how to translate my thoughts into words, but yes | 23:43 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | maybe some day there will be a program that types out our thought onto a computer screen | 23:43 |
| genehacker | are you thinking of using some sort of learning algorithm that compares what other people brought to the movie theater to figure that out? | 23:44 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | you could do that, or you could have the app set up so that it picks out certain items that might be useful for a certain scenario | 23:44 |
| genehacker | how does it know which items might be useful for which scenario? | 23:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | if it was an iphone app, it would have to be very visual and simple | 23:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | the programmer decides | 23:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | so this instance isn't one where an app has a chance to learn | 23:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | but that sounds like a great idea | 23:45 |
| genehacker | so the programmer programs out every possible scenario and the items that would be useful for said scenario? | 23:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | you could import amazon.com's model of comparison | 23:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | there would only be a few simple scenarios in this case | 23:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | and maybe the user would have the option of creating custom scenarios | 23:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | to fill in all of the inevitable gaps | 23:47 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | if you're going camping, you'd might want to bring a flash light or a lighter | 23:47 |
| genehacker | and a tent and a sleeping bag | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | haha | 23:48 |
| kanzure | "computer please download me all camping gear" | 23:48 |
| kanzure | and then it shows up at your door if you don't have it | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | haha | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | nice | 23:48 |
| kanzure | or it tells you how to assemble it from what you have | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | totally | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | so thats how your fab program inspired my thinking in this area | 23:48 |
| kanzure | this is how linux works with software. "i want a drawing app" and then it downloads the user interface, the drawing backend, the file format parsers, etc. | 23:48 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool | 23:49 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | sounds like we have plenty to talk about tomorrow | 23:49 |
| genehacker | did kanzure tell you about some of the automatic design stuff? | 23:49 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | no, please do tell | 23:49 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | or is this his fab prog your referring to? | 23:50 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | he showed me that this weekend actually | 23:50 |
| kanzure | it's certainly related. what did you have in mind genehacker? | 23:50 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | with legos and such | 23:50 |
| genehacker | the campbell stuff | 23:50 |
| kanzure | campbell stuff. okie dokie | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://graphsynth.com/ | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/wiki/ | 23:51 |
| kanzure | er bad link. http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/ | 23:51 |
| genehacker | btw did you guys ever get that 3d automatic design stuff working? | 23:51 |
| kanzure | so i work with matt in the automated design lab in the mechanical engineering building on occassion | 23:51 |
| kanzure | huh? what? you mean legos? | 23:51 |
| kanzure | and the way that matt does things is by generating these huge massive trees of possible mechanial designs | 23:51 |
| kanzure | *mechanical | 23:51 |
| kanzure | and then we can select the ones that perform the best in certain problem domains | 23:51 |
| kanzure | or are the more interesting solutions | 23:51 |
| genehacker | no the other thing with a bunch of different components that could be put togethehr | 23:52 |
| kanzure | skdb? | 23:52 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i think i was referring to your program you were showing me sunday | 23:52 |
| kanzure | yeah | 23:52 |
| kanzure | that program was the front-end to skdb | 23:52 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 23:52 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | oh, ok | 23:52 |
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| kanzure | i don't know what genehacker is talking about in particular | 23:52 |
| genehacker | IE, gears, transformers, shafts, motors, levers | 23:52 |
| kanzure | he's not being very precise :) | 23:52 |
| genehacker | stuff like that | 23:53 |
| kanzure | yeah what about them though | 23:53 |
| kanzure | the huge graphs? | 23:53 |
| genehacker | nevermind | 23:53 |
| kanzure | haha | 23:53 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i like the graphic for skbd | 23:53 |
| genehacker | no the program that turned the graphs into 3d cad models | 23:53 |
| kanzure | thanks. we totally stole that | 23:53 |
| kanzure | there wasn't one that does that, genehacker | 23:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:54 |
| kanzure | i mean, i'm working on it, but it doesn't quite work yet | 23:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | is there a reverse engineering lab at UT? | 23:54 |
| genehacker | yeah | 23:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool | 23:54 |
| kanzure | right now you can say "this connects to that" and then give it cad models | 23:54 |
| genehacker | that'd be the ETC building right now | 23:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | i want to check it out | 23:54 |
| kanzure | to be honest it's not as cool as you might think it is | 23:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | :( | 23:54 |
| kanzure | the reverse engineering work that i've done has been pretty lame | 23:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | hmm | 23:55 |
| kanzure | "ok now write down the dimensions. you're done" | 23:55 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | thats lame | 23:55 |
| genehacker | you can visit it right now and see lots of mechanical engineers reverse engineering away at a project that is due tomorrow | 23:55 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I'll have to see that in action some time | 23:55 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | in the mean time, i'd like to reverse engineer a human being | 23:56 |
| kanzure | hah | 23:56 |
| kanzure | hey check these out: | 23:56 |
| kanzure | http://diybio.org/ | 23:56 |
| kanzure | http://igem.org/ | 23:56 |
| kanzure | http://openwetware.org/ | 23:56 |
| kanzure | http://humanityplus.org/ | 23:56 |
| kanzure | i'm probably forgetting a ton, but that wouldn't be a bad start to reverse engineering humans | 23:57 |
| kanzure | of course, humans weren't engineered in the first place | 23:57 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | haha, yeah | 23:57 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | unless you believe in the theory of space monkey | 23:57 |
| kanzure | what is the theory of the space ape? | 23:57 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | basically, space money created you 5 minutes ago, and he created you with all of the memories you think you had prior to the point of creation | 23:58 |
| kanzure | sounds like a simulation argument too | 23:58 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | its an argument used to illustrate the absurdity that is intelligent design | 23:58 |
| genehacker | heh | 23:58 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | learned about it in pseudoscience class | 23:59 |
| genehacker | I'm guess you saw the goons on campus today, didn't you? | 23:59 |
| kanzure | hey so who was it suggesting an exploratorium yesterday? | 23:59 |
| kanzure | was that in here? | 23:59 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | yall should take it while at ut | 23:59 |
| genehacker | Tim | 23:59 |
| kanzure | silverman? ah right | 23:59 |
| genehacker | yup | 23:59 |
| kanzure | and that was before trey showed up | 23:59 |
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