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| genehacker | I'll bet you could charge $5 | 00:11 |
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| genehacker | $2 for a hot dog? | 00:11 |
| genehacker | sounds like a deal | 00:11 |
| genehacker | also | 00:11 |
| genehacker | don't mix coke and cofee | 00:11 |
| genehacker | it's always a bad idea | 00:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | sedatives and caffine don't mix | 00:38 |
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| fenn | dammit does nobody run unit tests? | 13:28 |
| fenn | since when does this not work? | 13:29 |
| fenn | package = skdb.load_package('screw') | 13:29 |
| ybit | so no hatta? | 13:30 |
| ybit | what wiki to use? | 13:31 |
| ybit | fenn, kanzure | 13:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: Package("screw") | 13:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: god damnit, why don't you listen to either of us | 13:31 |
| kanzure | fdslkadsladl'dsa;l | 13:32 |
| ybit | s/damnit/dammit | 13:32 |
| ybit | jklsdfajkldfjkasdf | 13:32 |
| kanzure | sorry, it's damnit | 13:32 |
| kanzure | i'm damning it | 13:32 |
| kanzure | not damming it | 13:32 |
| fenn | i can't even load a package without opencascade involved | 13:32 |
| fenn | it's dammit | 13:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: not true.. | 13:32 |
| ybit | http://www.answers.com/dammit | 13:32 |
| fenn | ok well i can't load lego because of opencascade | 13:33 |
| kanzure | show me | 13:33 |
| fenn | wtf | 13:33 |
| fenn | skdb.load_package('lego') | 13:33 |
| kanzure | sorry, how does that show me anything | 13:33 |
| fenn | then about six pages of traceback ending with: | 13:33 |
| fenn | ImportWarning: skdb.geom not loaded. load_CAD not available. | 13:33 |
| kanzure | that should be a warning | 13:34 |
| kanzure | not an assertion | 13:34 |
| kanzure | "raise ImportWarning, ..." | 13:34 |
| kanzure | my bad. | 13:34 |
| kanzure | that should maybe be a print? | 13:35 |
| kanzure | ybit: we're not using hatta | 13:35 |
| kanzure | ybit: i don't know if you remember, but i was working on djangit for a while | 13:35 |
| ybit | yeah i know, that's why i'm asking | 13:35 |
| kanzure | and then on ~/code/skdb/web/web.py | 13:35 |
| kanzure | but apparently you've forgotten already | 13:35 |
| ybit | yeah, i do, but we switched to cherrypy | 13:35 |
| fenn | well a warning shouldn't cause whatever i'm doing to fail | 13:35 |
| kanzure | web.py still exists | 13:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's not a warning. it's a "raise" | 13:36 |
| fenn | ImportWarning isn't a warning? | 13:36 |
| ybit | i just didn't want to create a wiki from scratch -_- | 13:36 |
| kanzure | nope | 13:36 |
| kanzure | it says "raise ImportWarning" | 13:36 |
| kanzure | raise makes stuff stop | 13:36 |
| fenn | am i supposed to use some other keyword besides raise? | 13:36 |
| kanzure | ybit: oh please. | 13:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: i was the one who wrote that | 13:36 |
| kanzure | this is my fault.. it shouldn't be "raise" | 13:36 |
| kanzure | it should probably just be "print" | 13:36 |
| fenn | i dont understand; how do you do a warning without fucking everything up then? | 13:36 |
| kanzure | i don't think i've ever done that | 13:36 |
| fenn | print goes to stdout | 13:36 |
| kanzure | i guess you can do print >sys.stderr, "blah" | 13:37 |
| fenn | well, whatever. i'm sure there's a correct way to do it but i guess i don't care anymore | 13:37 |
| kanzure | sorry it's >> | 13:37 |
| kanzure | you don't care? | 13:37 |
| fenn | i'm saving my apathy for later | 13:37 |
| fenn | to be savored as a fine delicacy | 13:38 |
| kanzure | should i fix this or are you going to fix it? | 13:38 |
| fenn | um, i'm just wondering what to say is the "correct" way to load a package | 13:38 |
| fenn | yaml.load isn't it | 13:38 |
| kanzure | Package("name goes here") | 13:38 |
| fenn | that fails the same way load_package does | 13:39 |
| kanzure | god damn it | 13:39 |
| kanzure | didn't i just explain this? | 13:39 |
| kanzure | so i asked you | 13:39 |
| kanzure | are you going to fix this or should i? | 13:39 |
| fenn | File "screw.py", line 48, in __init__ | 13:39 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure * r c9128c7 /core/part.py: because fenn is too lazy? | 13:39 |
| fenn | if thread == None: raise ValueError | 13:39 |
| fenn | now i know i did something with that line, but you messed with it before that and it was even worse, and i dont even think it should check anything about thread? | 13:40 |
| kanzure | when i do pscrew=Package("screw") i get something about tensile_area in threads.py | 13:41 |
| kanzure | assert Unit(self.pitch).compatible('mm/rev') | 13:41 |
| kanzure | AssertionError | 13:41 |
| kanzure | not anything about a ValueError? | 13:41 |
| fenn | and anyway why is thread == None? | 13:41 |
| kanzure | == checks if two things are equal | 13:41 |
| kanzure | it's not assignment | 13:41 |
| fenn | um. then it really ought not to do that | 13:41 |
| fenn | because something != nothing | 13:42 |
| kanzure | .. but it could be nothing | 13:42 |
| kanzure | how long has it been since you've touched any code? | 13:42 |
| * fenn hunts around for the elusive nothing | 13:42 | |
| kanzure | it's very easy to "return None" | 13:42 |
| kanzure | and then if you have something assigned to that return value, that something is None | 13:42 |
| kanzure | how are you getting the ValueError? | 13:43 |
| fenn | Package("screw") | 13:44 |
| kanzure | i get an assertion error about Unit(self.pitch).compatible('mm/rev') in threads.py | 13:45 |
| kanzure | when i run that | 13:45 |
| kanzure | are we running the same version? | 13:45 |
| fenn | i'm running adl/master | 13:46 |
| fenn | wow this is amazingly broken.. i dont know what's going on | 13:49 |
| fenn | why is all this thread stuff in screw.py? | 13:49 |
| * fenn notes all the lines saying "shouldnt this be in thread.py?" | 13:50 | |
| kanzure | then move it? | 13:50 |
| kanzure | didn't you write this? | 13:50 |
| fenn | wah. go away | 13:51 |
| fenn | this is giving me a headache | 13:51 |
| kanzure | seems too complicated | 13:51 |
| kanzure | how did this happen | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i think we tried to cram too much yaml magic into metadata.yaml | 13:52 |
| kanzure | (tag hack?) | 13:52 |
| fenn | does load_package even do anything with metadata.yaml? | 13:53 |
| kanzure | heh skdb.Package("screw") works on adl for me. | 13:53 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:53 |
| kanzure | loaded_package = load(package_file(name, 'metadata.yaml')) | 13:53 |
| kanzure | so the only reason for most of the complexity in Package is because of tag hack and the "template" attribute in metadata.yaml | 13:56 |
| kanzure | if the 'template' data is removed the point of the metadata is sort of lost. you'd /have/ to download the package to figure out if it's even remotely possibly compatible with something | 13:56 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: fenn * r 4dd003d /core/part.py: plz at least try out yer changes | 13:57 |
| kanzure | yes i imported sys and forgot to commit | 13:57 |
| fenn | i don't believe it; sys still wouldn't be defined in the module scope | 13:57 |
| fenn | anyway | 13:58 |
| kanzure | in the module scope? huh? | 13:58 |
| fenn | i guess you wouldn't get the error at all because OCC is installed | 13:58 |
| kanzure | actually i did get the error the first time because i was in code/skdb/core/ and so it was importing "skdb.py" when i was in bpython | 13:59 |
| kanzure | silly mistake on my part | 13:59 |
| fenn | what's up with git on adl | 14:02 |
| kanzure | hm? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | library errors? | 14:02 |
| fenn | something about libcurl | 14:02 |
| kanzure | i updated libcurl a few weeks ago for something unrelated | 14:02 |
| kanzure | if you know how to revert to a previous .deb of it, please go ahead | 14:03 |
| fenn | sure you are running an up to date version on adl? i get the same error there | 14:05 |
| fenn | of skdb* | 14:06 |
| kanzure | huh? no i updated libcurl on adl, not on my laptop | 14:06 |
| kanzure | oh | 14:06 |
| kanzure | blargh? no i'm not | 14:06 |
| kanzure | /home/bryan/code/skdb/ is symlinked to /var/www/skdb | 14:06 |
| kanzure | (and that's what's in my $PYTHONPATH over there) | 14:06 |
| kanzure | git: /usr/lib/libidn.so.11: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4) | 14:06 |
| kanzure | ok now i get the ValueError | 14:07 |
| kanzure | that makes sense though because in the __init__ for Screw in packages/screw.py it sets thread to None | 14:07 |
| fenn | i fixed git at least | 14:07 |
| kanzure | how? | 14:07 |
| fenn | apt-get install libidn11 | 14:07 |
| kanzure | "GNU Libidn library, implementation of IETF IDN specifications" | 14:08 |
| fenn | yeah, whatever that is | 14:08 |
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| kanzure | will you clean up screw.py's __init__ re: thread shit? | 14:12 |
| fenn | yah | 14:16 |
| fenn | OCC is installed on adl.. so am i like the only person who doesn't have it installed? | 14:19 |
| kanzure | i think so yes :) | 14:20 |
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| kanzure | fenn: we have a few .png's in the git repository | 15:28 |
| fenn | so? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | i was wondering if it would be terrible if i commit a .ico | 15:28 |
| fenn | no, i'm mostly concerned about file sizes, that's all | 15:28 |
| kanzure | binary data and such | 15:28 |
| kanzure | ok | 15:29 |
| kanzure | it'll be really really tiny :) | 15:29 |
| fenn | yeah they are like 1k | 15:29 |
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| kanzure | i wish yaml had more mature path resolvers | 16:06 |
| kanzure | er, pyyaml | 16:06 |
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| kanzure | hey doesn't github have their source up on the web somewhere? | 16:33 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure * r c96c8b7 / (10 files in 6 dirs): added an email-based authentication system to web.py | 16:39 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure * r a9b19e9 /web/web.py: converted from email-based authentication to username-based authentication | 17:03 |
| fenn | yo kanzure can you re-enable wondershaper please? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | done. dunno if it was running already or not though | 17:56 |
| fenn | hmm must just be slow | 17:56 |
| kanzure | sam is filtering my emails to replab | 17:57 |
| fenn | i think you totally missed the point of his essay | 18:08 |
| fenn | it's like you figured you knew what he was going to say before reading it | 18:08 |
| kanzure | i'm kind of angry about replab.org if you haven't noticed | 18:09 |
| fenn | i noticed; i think you're unfounded | 18:09 |
| kanzure | it's awesome they want to do this | 18:09 |
| kanzure | i feel ignored | 18:10 |
| fenn | 'rfid powder' 0.05mm x 0.05mm | 18:10 |
| kanzure | hm? | 18:10 |
| fenn | is that for real? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | did i do that? | 18:11 |
| fenn | no | 18:11 |
| kanzure | context? | 18:11 |
| fenn | it's in charles collis' oekonus presentation | 18:11 |
| fenn | oekonux* | 18:11 |
| fenn | adciv.org/Slides slide 8 | 18:11 |
| fenn | don't ask me why i'm reading this | 18:12 |
| kanzure | eff why eye: http://localhost:8081/package/lego/data/yaml | 18:13 |
| kanzure | need to figure out how to do distribs | 18:13 |
| kanzure | er | 18:13 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org:8081/package/lego/data/yaml | 18:13 |
| fenn | what does the cookie store? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | a session identifier | 18:14 |
| kanzure | do you know how sessions work? | 18:14 |
| fenn | i think it's like, whether you close the browser window or not | 18:15 |
| kanzure | basically instead of giving you a cookie with all sorts of fun info, | 18:15 |
| kanzure | i just give you one cookie, and cherrypy keeps track of some data for me | 18:15 |
| kanzure | in particular a User object | 18:15 |
| kanzure | which, for you, doesn't exist | 18:15 |
| fenn | why are all the carriage returns stripped out? is that what happens when you dump text into html? | 18:15 |
| * fenn mumbles something about <pre> tags | 18:16 | |
| kanzure | if you view the source of the page you'll see the carriage returns are there | 18:16 |
| kanzure | this is just a plain dump | 18:16 |
| kanzure | sowwy | 18:16 |
| kanzure | html doesn't respect \n | 18:16 |
| fenn | oh. then it's a mime type problem | 18:16 |
| kanzure | rightright | 18:16 |
| kanzure | but yeah, distributions | 18:16 |
| fenn | um, sorry to be so clueless, but is this a new development? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | no | 18:17 |
| kanzure | but user authentication is :) | 18:17 |
| fenn | meh | 18:17 |
| kanzure | so for distribs, | 18:17 |
| fenn | what are "distribs"? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | on the web if joestupid edits the screw package, | 18:17 |
| kanzure | he can screw up a lot of hardware | 18:17 |
| kanzure | for this reason i was thinking of copying github's model of having users have their own git repos | 18:18 |
| fenn | right | 18:18 |
| fenn | that was always the idea | 18:18 |
| kanzure | (either on the server or aggregated from other servers) | 18:18 |
| kanzure | right | 18:18 |
| kanzure | so how do we specify which 'distribution' to use for individual parts | 18:18 |
| kanzure | right now in the code base, in the metadata, we don't specify anything other than a tag/name | 18:18 |
| kanzure | "er, use cold rolling. there" | 18:18 |
| fenn | um.. each package is its own git repo, right? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:19 |
| kanzure | but referring to it by commit is not enough | 18:19 |
| fenn | because it's not a URL? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | nonono | 18:19 |
| fenn | i dont see why you cant refer to a commit | 18:19 |
| kanzure | you can | 18:19 |
| kanzure | ybit/screw/screw.yaml | 18:19 |
| kanzure | fenn/screw/screw.yaml | 18:19 |
| kanzure | ybit's screw might have lots of changes | 18:20 |
| fenn | but i can pull from ybit | 18:20 |
| fenn | then fenn/screw/screw.yaml has changes too | 18:20 |
| kanzure | well | 18:20 |
| kanzure | er | 18:20 |
| kanzure | this feels upside down | 18:20 |
| fenn | now, version numbers would be a nice thing, and that's one thing i dont like about git | 18:20 |
| kanzure | i was thinking that you shouldn't have to download all of the hardware on the server | 18:20 |
| kanzure | since you're already on the server | 18:20 |
| kanzure | in debian each package doesn't contain all other packages | 18:20 |
| fenn | what server? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | heybryan.org:8081 | 18:21 |
| kanzure | er | 18:21 |
| fenn | adl? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | fenn/screw/screw.yaml is your local changes to a screw, this is true | 18:21 |
| fenn | some hypothetical server? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | but what if you want to use ybit's screw | 18:21 |
| kanzure | i don't think a copy of every single piece of hardware should be in fenn/ | 18:22 |
| fenn | fenn/ is my home directory? | 18:22 |
| kanzure | the whole point of packages is that you can refer to them | 18:22 |
| kanzure | fenn/ is like http://github.com/kanzure/ | 18:22 |
| kanzure | so yes(?) | 18:22 |
| fenn | huh | 18:22 |
| fenn | what's wrong with having everything? | 18:22 |
| kanzure | why not just refer to the package | 18:22 |
| fenn | people would only make mirrors of packages they have modified | 18:22 |
| kanzure | right now it sounds like you can _only_ mirror | 18:23 |
| fenn | well that's how github works | 18:23 |
| kanzure | yes but that's not hwo packages work | 18:23 |
| fenn | we can also give people access to various packages if they want | 18:23 |
| fenn | write access* | 18:23 |
| kanzure | oh | 18:23 |
| kanzure | so here's what i was thinking of, maybe this is stupid | 18:23 |
| kanzure | i want to be able to say "use kanzure's wheel, commit blah" | 18:24 |
| kanzure | or "use wheel, commit blah" if you want the one from the global namespace | 18:24 |
| fenn | mirrors can be merged, that's why dvcs rule | 18:24 |
| fenn | just say what commit and provide the url you got it from | 18:24 |
| fenn | is that too much data? | 18:24 |
| kanzure | ok so that's not the same thing as only allowing mirroring | 18:25 |
| kanzure | right? | 18:25 |
| fenn | i cant think of a better way to do distributed version numbers | 18:25 |
| fenn | we can still do branches if it matters | 18:25 |
| kanzure | i don't think we're talking about the same thing | 18:25 |
| kanzure | and i'm still stuck | 18:25 |
| fenn | no i'm confused, maybe you should flap your mouth and make noises or something | 18:26 |
| kanzure | on a user's hard drive, they should have a local copy of all of the .git's for packages, yes | 18:26 |
| kanzure | (that's their local cache of packages) | 18:27 |
| kanzure | on the server, the situation is different since the equivalent of /etc/apt/sources.list is basically "everyone on here" | 18:27 |
| kanzure | so there's namespace conflicts on "wheel" when there's fenn/wheel.git and ybit/wheel.git etc. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | so we need to be able to say /who's/ wheel | 18:28 |
| fenn | i still don't get why the server has multiple copies of the same package | 18:28 |
| kanzure | we approve some packages right? and others we might say "haha, no thanks" | 18:28 |
| kanzure | but others might still use those packages if they are on the server, the ones that we didn't include in the main distribution | 18:29 |
| fenn | we don't have to host mirrors we dont like | 18:29 |
| fenn | here's how the linux kernel does it | 18:29 |
| kanzure | if a user doesn't have write access to the main distribution, then they can put it in their local namespace | 18:29 |
| kanzure | this is how github does it :) | 18:29 |
| fenn | each dev hosts their own git repo. they send a git-format-patch to the linux dev mailing list | 18:29 |
| kanzure | right | 18:30 |
| fenn | it automatically gets emailed to the correct 'lieutenant' who approves or deniesthe change | 18:30 |
| fenn | then the lieutenant forwards to linus for his veto | 18:30 |
| fenn | then linus does some massive git-pull from all the individual lieutenants | 18:31 |
| fenn | that's all there is to it | 18:31 |
| kanzure | ok? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | not what i'm talking about :( | 18:32 |
| fenn | unfortunately we can't use that model because people are too stupid to host their own repo or send changes to a mailing list | 18:32 |
| kanzure | yes, this is just a repo hosting service layer thingy | 18:32 |
| fenn | ok i think that should be totally separate from everything else | 18:32 |
| kanzure | github.com/main/ will be the one that Master Linus commits to | 18:33 |
| fenn | because it's one nad only function is to pretend like it's github | 18:33 |
| kanzure | so we shouldn't host other people's hardware? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | or by 'separate' what do you mean | 18:34 |
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| fenn | i just mean it's a totally different thing from "the database" | 18:34 |
| kanzure | the what? | 18:34 |
| kanzure | you don't use that word often.. | 18:34 |
| fenn | hum | 18:34 |
| fenn | well originally the idea was to have a select aggregation of hardware, compiled into a distribution (autogenix) | 18:35 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:35 |
| fenn | but lots of other people would be using the software for their own stuff, whether anyone cared or not | 18:35 |
| fenn | there's a lot of crap on thingiverse you notice | 18:35 |
| fenn | but we only want like 5% of it | 18:35 |
| kanzure | it's seeping out :( | 18:35 |
| fenn | now hosting the other 95% is ok but i just want to be clear what's what | 18:36 |
| kanzure | right | 18:36 |
| kanzure | this is why i was saying 'distributions' | 18:36 |
| kanzure | now, | 18:36 |
| kanzure | what if someone wanted to make a new package | 18:36 |
| kanzure | that depended on something from the other 95% of the stuff | 18:36 |
| kanzure | from the 'crapbin' | 18:36 |
| fenn | most thingiverse crap is not changes to other peoples' crap | 18:36 |
| fenn | if you have good stuff that is derived from crap, then we can import the whole history of changes; that's why git is cool | 18:37 |
| kanzure | there needs to be a way to specify a dependency in terms of which distribution it's from. | 18:37 |
| fenn | no you just clone the crap | 18:37 |
| fenn | -_- | 18:37 |
| kanzure | it still doesn't make sense | 18:37 |
| kanzure | for every user on thingiverse, each user should have a clone of every other package in their personal home folder on thingiverse? | 18:38 |
| fenn | the goal is to reduce data redundancy right? | 18:38 |
| fenn | no, each use has a clone of whatever package they've made changes to | 18:38 |
| fenn | (unless they have write access to the package) | 18:38 |
| kanzure | ok great so how does skdb know to use their screw rather than some other screw | 18:39 |
| fenn | if it really actually in all honesty depends ona certain commit, then one should be able to specify that... | 18:39 |
| fenn | but i hope people are smart enough to not depend on such miscellanea | 18:39 |
| fenn | that's the point of OO, because people were digging in undocumented DOS registers and then it changed | 18:40 |
| kanzure | a dependency on autogenix/screw.git v. a dependency on ybit/screw.git | 18:40 |
| fenn | information hiding, whatever (not OO) | 18:40 |
| fenn | you're not paying attention | 18:40 |
| fenn | autogenix/screw.git is just a file location, not a version | 18:40 |
| kanzure | ok true | 18:41 |
| fenn | oh duh | 18:41 |
| fenn | we can put version numbers in the metadata file | 18:41 |
| kanzure | all i'm asking is that when a user makes a new package on the website, how do they say "use this version from this distribution"- *without* copying every single package in existence to their home dir? | 18:42 |
| kanzure | s/copying/merging via git/ | 18:43 |
| fenn | url and commit hash? | 18:43 |
| fenn | some urls have hashes embedded, but then you'd have to extract it if the url is bad | 18:44 |
| fenn | could be annoying if the url scheme changes | 18:44 |
| kanzure | so let's say i modify a non-autogenix package. this means i clone it and put it into my home dir on the server, etc. | 18:45 |
| fenn | you keep saying "the server" | 18:46 |
| kanzure | someone else then can depend on it by using a url/hash to github.com/kanzure/screw/4104814u90jfadsoiufh89341 | 18:46 |
| kanzure | yeah a server | 18:46 |
| fenn | any old server anywhere on the net, right? | 18:46 |
| kanzure | well | 18:46 |
| kanzure | for practical purposes, we might not want to allow that on ours | 18:46 |
| kanzure | since importing a package means running python | 18:46 |
| fenn | yeah well that's why we separate good from bad | 18:47 |
| kanzure | no i mean.. er. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | on our server, we "import skdb" in web.py | 18:47 |
| kanzure | and if you do load_package() on some foreign package, just to display a CAD model or something, | 18:47 |
| fenn | ffs make up some names please | 18:47 |
| kanzure | you could be executing malicious code | 18:47 |
| kanzure | names? | 18:47 |
| fenn | all these servers i can't keep them straight | 18:47 |
| fenn | johnny fabonic uploads his changes to the tesla roadster to his free fabonautix account | 18:48 |
| kanzure | sally mcmistress makes a new package and depends on the johnny's tesla roadster | 18:49 |
| fenn | elon reviews johnny's changes and decides to incorporate them | 18:49 |
| kanzure | sally also has a free fabonautix account | 18:50 |
| fenn | elon does 'git pull fabonautix.com/johnny/tesla.git' | 18:50 |
| kanzure | without fenn knowing it, johnny included malicious code in tesla.git | 18:50 |
| fenn | fabonautix goes out of business and johnny's mirror is gone forever | 18:50 |
| kanzure | web.py is programmed to "import skdb" and run packages to make certain views on the website | 18:50 |
| fenn | sally uploads her changes to mcmistress.com | 18:51 |
| kanzure | when elon and sally view tesla.git over fabonautix's web view, fabonautix is fucked | 18:51 |
| fenn | what's fucked? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | tesla.git depends on badhacker.com/malicious-code.git | 18:52 |
| kanzure | web.py would have to download that dependency in order to, say, render a CAD model for sally and elon when they view the page on fabonautix's site | 18:52 |
| fenn | um, no, that's retarded | 18:53 |
| fenn | all files necessary for the package should be included in the package | 18:53 |
| kanzure | so then you _don't_ like URLs for dependencies? | 18:53 |
| fenn | packages depend on other packages | 18:53 |
| kanzure | it's no different from them hosting on fabonautix, badhacker.com, etc. | 18:53 |
| fenn | right so we have tools to manage dependencies | 18:53 |
| fenn | when elon pulls the changes it should notify him of the external dependency, 'you want to download? [y/n]' | 18:54 |
| kanzure | ok so how would it run on fabonautix? | 18:54 |
| kanzure | fabonautix would only run packages that have dependencies hosted on fabonautix? big deal.. they can just upload malicious code | 18:54 |
| fenn | how would what run, the apt-get style tool? | 18:54 |
| kanzure | the package/code | 18:55 |
| kanzure | Package("lego") <-- python is being executed from the lego package when you run that | 18:55 |
| fenn | i dont think i ever figured out a good solution for that | 18:56 |
| fenn | anyway, all the dependcies are in metadata.yaml | 18:57 |
| fenn | no python involved | 18:57 |
| fenn | unless its some quantitative thing like 'power output > 50W' | 18:57 |
| kanzure | ok maybe web.py will distinguish between approved packages and questionable packages. "approved" packages will have more on-web functionality. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | "questionable" packages (that haven't been reviewed) will still exist on the server, but the python won't be executed except for the metadata | 18:58 |
| kanzure | this (might) mean no CAD preview for "questionable" packages | 18:58 |
| kanzure | (especially for python-based code that generates a CAD model) | 18:58 |
| fenn | you know about virtualization right? | 18:58 |
| fenn | for sandboxing | 18:58 |
| kanzure | in general.. but not specifically for this | 18:59 |
| fenn | each fabonautix user could get their own virtual server.. :( | 18:59 |
| kanzure | a sandbox on each page loaad? | 18:59 |
| kanzure | blah | 18:59 |
| fenn | ok how about only static data for web preview | 19:00 |
| fenn | screws.py gereates a bunch of step files, but that only gets called manually | 19:00 |
| kanzure | so when you download elon/tesla.git it might have a dependency on sally/something-or-other.git which is on fabonautix. | 19:00 |
| kanzure | what i'm wondering is how the dependencies should be written down | 19:00 |
| fenn | i dont understand why you wouldn't download the dependency | 19:00 |
| kanzure | should they say {username or distrib name}/blah blah blah | 19:00 |
| kanzure | well you might have multiple versions on the hdd | 19:01 |
| kanzure | i guess git merge cna handle that | 19:01 |
| kanzure | *can handle that | 19:01 |
| fenn | you should be thinking about it in terms of branches, not username | 19:01 |
| fenn | like sally's branch is the hot pink paintjob branch | 19:01 |
| kanzure | ok so you need to specify a branch and a commit then. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | can you selectively git clone/pull/whatever from particular branches? | 19:02 |
| fenn | yeah | 19:02 |
| kanzure | ok so all branches (specified in your dependencies) must be on fabonautix already? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i mean, if you want things to work | 19:03 |
| fenn | yeah | 19:03 |
| fenn | disk space is cheap btw | 19:04 |
| kanzure | do you sign your commits with a key? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | (you personally) | 19:04 |
| fenn | i dont know how to do that, but yeah the 'good' branch would be signed after it was reviewed | 19:04 |
| kanzure | was just wondering because i dunno how github does it | 19:04 |
| kanzure | in its display of commit messages it links to my username | 19:05 |
| kanzure | but for you it doesn't do anything | 19:05 |
| kanzure | but what if someone registers 'fenn' on github? | 19:05 |
| fenn | oh you | 19:05 |
| fenn | 're just worried about username conflicts? | 19:05 |
| kanzure | this is a new issue. not worried, just wondering | 19:05 |
| fenn | all this signing and reviewing is a lot of work, so i don't expect day to day development work to involve all this crap | 19:07 |
| fenn | probably only once per minor release | 19:08 |
| kanzure | no i mean username conflicts in terms of the users registered on fabonaughter versus the usernames in the commit messages | 19:09 |
| fenn | meh | 19:09 |
| fenn | this isn't AIM | 19:09 |
| fenn | we grownups can use real mathematics | 19:09 |
| kanzure | what does math have to do with it? | 19:09 |
| fenn | public key signing | 19:10 |
| kanzure | so we do want individual commits to be signed? or what? | 19:10 |
| kanzure | or at least allow it as an option | 19:10 |
| fenn | only release commits i think | 19:10 |
| fenn | (bear with me a sec) | 19:10 |
| fenn | say i make five changes, then decide it's good enough for a while and make a release | 19:11 |
| fenn | it gets uploaded to autogenix.org, i sign the commit hash with my key and paste that number in some document in the central autogenix.org repo | 19:12 |
| fenn | the commit i signed depends on the other four commits so they must be good too right? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:12 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org:8081/package/lego/data/edit | 19:23 |
| fenn | a 'submit' button would be nice | 19:24 |
| kanzure | bah! blasphemy | 19:24 |
| kanzure | i wonder if you can set a cookie through ajax | 19:29 |
| kanzure | that would be nifty because right now an unregistered user can't edit a page | 19:29 |
| kanzure | (but i think we should let them edit and be able to register to save their changes, without losing their progress) | 19:29 |
| fenn | hm | 19:30 |
| kanzure | i already tried on genebay to pass the content of their POST to the login form, but that didn't work | 19:30 |
| kanzure | and after discussion with the cherrypy peeps i gave up on that | 19:30 |
| kanzure | so ajax it is.. sorry lynx users :( | 19:30 |
| fenn | i think that would be confusing, to edit something and then realize you have to register | 19:30 |
| fenn | better to just not make the edit button show up if not registered | 19:31 |
| kanzure | doesn't that lose the wiki-like appeal? | 19:31 |
| fenn | if it were wiki-like we'd just let people edit whatever, which i'm still totally open to doing | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ok cool | 19:32 |
| kanzure | branch naming conventions plz? | 19:44 |
| fenn | anthropomorphic assembly robots: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLe0aWz8mg | 19:47 |
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| fenn | there is no dana | 20:24 |
| fenn | there is only juul | 20:24 |
| Juul | :P | 20:24 |
| Juul | where does the name for the channel come from? | 20:26 |
| fenn | a webpage on heybryan.org somewhere, which may no longer exist | 20:26 |
| Juul | ok | 20:27 |
| fenn | do you know about transhumanism? | 20:27 |
| kanzure | sam thinks i'm worthless apparently? | 20:28 |
| Juul | yes | 20:28 |
| Juul | hey kanzure, just read up on the skdb project. much greatness. i like the ambition of it | 20:29 |
| fenn | kanzure: that's why he was filtering your mail? because it's worthless? | 20:29 |
| fenn | erm, you're worthless i mean | 20:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: he claims skdb is not interesting and isn't related to replab at all | 20:30 |
| kanzure | "unless you're highly autistic" | 20:30 |
| fenn | well, is that supposed to be an insult? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | no there's a smiley face after that | 20:30 |
| fenn | well who elected sam to be god | 20:31 |
| kanzure | marcin | 20:32 |
| fenn | marcin loves skdb | 20:32 |
| kanzure | since when | 20:32 |
| fenn | since a few days ago | 20:32 |
| fenn | when i explained it to him | 20:32 |
| fenn | Juul: tell me more about yourself, what got you interested in skdb? | 20:34 |
| Juul | i actually looked at skdb briefly a few days ago, but it wasn't until i read the slides that i had any clue how it would work. and the slides are easy to miss | 20:34 |
| fenn | what slides? | 20:35 |
| kanzure | Juul: do you know what "apt-get" is? | 20:35 |
| Juul | fenn, http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf | 20:35 |
| fenn | ok, i think that presentation is awful but apparently it does something for people | 20:36 |
| Juul | kanzure, sure, but that doesn't actually tell you how much work has already been done. it seemed very much like an idea with no implementation yet before i saw the slides | 20:36 |
| kanzure | oh what about the code in the repository? | 20:36 |
| fenn | nobody looks at code, and even if they did they wouldnt know what they were looking at | 20:36 |
| Juul | exactly | 20:36 |
| Juul | i just thought "huh, well guess i'll check back later when there's more info" | 20:37 |
| fenn | i'm afraid it's really hard to make pretty pictures of this sort of thing, or i would have done it long ago | 20:37 |
| kanzure | if you're not a developer maybe that's a good idea? | 20:37 |
| kanzure | er | 20:37 |
| kanzure | i mean, everyone is appreciated | 20:37 |
| kanzure | but to be honest developers are what we need most | 20:37 |
| fenn | anyone can learn to write a yaml document in 20 minutes | 20:37 |
| kanzure | ok, a developer or someone with half a clue about engineering :) | 20:38 |
| Juul | i am actually a developer | 20:38 |
| kanzure | neat | 20:38 |
| kanzure | are you sam? | 20:39 |
| Juul | fenn, to answer your question: i'm booting a hackspace/fablab in Copenhagen right now, Denmark right now. IT engineer and studying biotech engineering now | 20:39 |
| Juul | nope | 20:39 |
| Juul | wow, i screwed that sentence up | 20:39 |
| fenn | huh i was just talking about copenhagen, about why legos are expensive (taxes in denmark) | 20:40 |
| Juul | heh, i remember some cheap clone-legos on the market here about 10 years ago | 20:40 |
| Juul | they were horrible | 20:40 |
| genehacker | that's why? | 20:40 |
| fenn | supposedly.. i think it's actually because lego groups i a bunch of greedy fucks | 20:40 |
| kanzure | Juul: ok sorry to confuse you. i guess you're fresh blood then | 20:40 |
| genehacker | fresh meat | 20:40 |
| genehacker | is the more correct term | 20:41 |
| Juul | kanzure, no problem, i'm new here yeah. only recently got on the open manufacturing mailing list | 20:41 |
| Juul | i think lego definitely charges more because they have the patents, but the high minimum wages and taxes in denmark are also a factor | 20:42 |
| Juul | it's not like someone can compete though, so i guess they just try to estimate how much people are willing to pay | 20:43 |
| Juul | so what are your backgrounds / approximate locations? | 20:45 |
| kanzure | background: internet :). i'm in austin | 20:46 |
| Juul | ah cool. is "mojo's daily grind" still there? | 20:46 |
| kanzure | er, one sec | 20:48 |
| fenn | lego factory is completely automated, no humans actually do anything in the factory | 20:49 |
| fenn | so 'high minimum wages' is hardly an excuse | 20:49 |
| Juul | hehe, they still have employees doing packing and trucking, but yes, it should have minimal effect | 20:50 |
| fenn | so i can get a usb composite video input dongle, and a usb to vga output dongle, but no such thing as a usb to composite output | 20:54 |
| genehacker | completely automated you say? | 20:55 |
| genehacker | heheheheh | 20:55 |
| fenn | that's what rauchwerk said at least | 20:56 |
| genehacker | if only it was capable of automatic resource requisitioning | 20:56 |
| fenn | 'more plastic needed' | 20:58 |
| genehacker | ie robots getting more plastic automatically | 21:01 |
| fenn | oh you mean stealing? | 21:01 |
| fenn | you're such an immoral person | 21:01 |
| genehacker | not necessarily | 21:01 |
| Juul | the factory has evolved an AI and is secretly building a lego robot army by ordering 1% more plastic than needed for the normal lego production | 21:02 |
| genehacker | heh | 21:02 |
| genehacker | in b4 lego self-replicating machines | 21:03 |
| Juul | been done --> http://tekartist.blogspot.com/2007/02/lego-mindstorms-automated-car-factory.html | 21:06 |
| fenn | wow this is terrible.. apparently marcin doesn't know what "recursion" means: http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Technological_Recursion | 21:06 |
| Juul | either that, or he's explaining it very poorly | 21:15 |
| Juul | no, you're right | 21:16 |
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| kanzure | hm maybe that was erik | 21:30 |
| fenn | erik is belgian (?) | 21:35 |
| fenn | apparent juul is a danish name | 21:36 |
| * fenn needs a better euphemism for 'google says' | 21:37 | |
| fenn | "If you already know what recursion is, just remember the answer. Otherwise, find someone who is standing closer to Douglas Hofstadter than you are; then ask him or her what recursion is." | 21:42 |
| kanzure | did you come up with that? | 21:44 |
| fenn | no it was on wikipedia | 21:44 |
| kanzure | ha | 21:44 |
| kanzure | i think that's even better :) | 21:44 |
| kanzure | http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/ | 21:48 |
| kanzure | "Dulwich is a pure-Python implementation of the Git file formats and protocols. | 21:48 |
| kanzure | The project is named after the village in which Mr. and Mrs. Git live in the Monty Python sketch." | 21:48 |
| kanzure | head explodes | 21:48 |
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| kanzure | hello phwooenix | 21:50 |
| phwooenix | heyo | 21:50 |
| kanzure | hm an austinite | 21:50 |
| phwooenix | its david | 21:50 |
| kanzure | treadwell? | 21:50 |
| phwooenix | or should i have let you keep guessing? | 21:50 |
| phwooenix | nope | 21:50 |
| kanzure | lee? | 21:50 |
| phwooenix | yessir | 21:51 |
| kanzure | i was ready to go through about 20 others | 21:51 |
| kanzure | hi. what's up? | 21:51 |
| phwooenix | nothing much just decided to visit | 21:51 |
| kanzure | i'm reading over http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/ at the moment | 21:51 |
| phwooenix | git is that version control stuff? | 21:53 |
| kanzure | yep | 21:53 |
| kanzure | this is, in particular, for a website i'm working on, to let users use git without knowing it | 21:53 |
| phwooenix | how do you mean? | 21:54 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org:8081/ | 21:54 |
| kanzure | hardware on this website is going to be stored in git repositories | 21:54 |
| kanzure | so links/buttons need to do stuff with git. that tutorial ishopefully going to be useful to me in this endeavor | 21:55 |
| phwooenix | hmmm your site takes extremely long to load | 21:56 |
| kanzure | it's being hosted on my residential connection :( | 21:56 |
| phwooenix | oh i see | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | wb | 22:13 |
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| fenn | Marc Juul <marcjc@gmail.com> | 22:27 |
| kanzure | from where? | 22:27 |
| fenn | cc'ed to "Fablab inventory and beyond" recently cross posted to hell and back | 22:28 |
| kanzure | are you still raped by cross-posts? | 22:28 |
| fenn | i havent really figured out how to deal with it, no | 22:28 |
| kanzure | i wonder why marcin linked to http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=MIT_Fab_Lab_item_list rather than our list | 22:29 |
| kanzure | haha he said "C02" | 22:29 |
| kanzure | i mean the formatting sucks much more on the wiki page | 22:29 |
| fenn | is that even the same list as on mit's page? | 22:30 |
| fenn | god i can't stand any more of this wiki stuff | 22:30 |
| * fenn used to like wikis :( | 22:31 | |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure they went "copy-paste" | 22:31 |
| fenn | yes, but, there is stuff i don't remember | 22:31 |
| * kanzure checks http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=MIT_Fab_Lab_item_list&action=history | 22:32 | |
| kanzure | sam slapped me on the wrist for making an anonymous edit on openfarmtech.org. i didn't even know i was anonymous | 22:33 |
| kanzure | but apparently that's bad | 22:33 |
| fenn | that was bad anyway, your huge copy-paste with no explanation | 22:33 |
| fenn | don't do that | 22:33 |
| kanzure | ok | 22:33 |
| fenn | yeah there is stuff that wasn't on the list before; the luxo lamp for instance | 22:35 |
| fenn | > Can you help me convince him that I wish him and skdb no ill will? I | 22:37 |
| fenn | > wasn't around for whatever made him upset but he seems bound and | 22:37 |
| fenn | > determined to consider me an enemy. | 22:37 |
| * fenn wonders what you said | 22:37 | |
| kanzure | i thought we cleared that up | 22:37 |
| kanzure | uh, well, i told him i was upset | 22:38 |
| kanzure | mostly about toe-stepping and how they're ignoring us | 22:39 |
| kanzure | if they want to do something different that's cool, but they don't | 22:39 |
| ybit | i think my computer is on its last few volts of energy | 22:43 |
| kanzure | i can't figure out how to traverse a tree with dulwich | 22:44 |
| ybit | it has raped gmail over the past two days now, and it has only fetched 4.3gb | 22:44 |
| ybit | and it has taken about two hours to convert 20% of KSRM to audio | 22:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.diybioforums.com/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.png | 22:45 |
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| kanzure | oops i meant to link to http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.png | 22:47 |
| genehacker | what's that | 22:52 |
| genehacker | is that for shrinky dink microfluidics | 22:53 |
| genehacker | also about that monitor 360 thing, what sort of questions did they ask you? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | this was months ago, i guess you could go look it up on the web if you want | 22:53 |
| kanzure | it's for a laser cutter | 22:53 |
| genehacker | oh | 22:54 |
| genehacker | did it work out? | 22:54 |
| kanzure | monitor 360 interviews: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/446cff057ec54d3d/f4e4507819776d10?lnk=gst&q=monitor+360#f4e4507819776d10 | 22:54 |
| genehacker | which was a month ago? | 22:54 |
| kanzure | months ago | 22:54 |
| kanzure | february? | 22:54 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:55 |
| kanzure | aha: http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.svg | 23:05 |
| fenn | is that 'using computers to mimic biology' actually worth watching? | 23:17 |
| fenn | or is it another trigger happy bryan moment | 23:17 |
| ybit | bastards at ustream have made it near impossible to cipher through the garbled text to download the video | 23:18 |
| fenn | but ybit aren't you permanently wired into the net? | 23:18 |
| ybit | was planning on downloading and playing the audio at high speed tomorrow at work, but that probably isn't an option | 23:19 |
| fenn | you should have ustream receptors implanted in your eyeballs | 23:19 |
| ybit | heh, no thanks you can have adobe files flying through your body if you want though | 23:20 |
| fenn | oo can it do silverlight too? | 23:20 |
| ybit | of course, it was made my microsoft | 23:21 |
| ybit | wtf is xulrunner-stub | 23:21 |
| ybit | it's taking half of my system's resources | 23:22 |
| ybit | the other half going to festival | 23:22 |
| fenn | appears to be something firefox uses | 23:22 |
| fenn | to communicate between ff and thunderbird, or something | 23:23 |
| ybit | why? i have only static pages loaded, damn this bloat, damn it to... to, uh.. | 23:23 |
| fenn | dll hell? | 23:23 |
| ybit | yes! dll hell! | 23:23 |
| ybit | i feel much better now | 23:24 |
| fenn | this is intersting the vuzix VR920's come with magnetometer built in: http://www.pabr.org/wxhmd/doc/wxhmd.en.html | 23:24 |
| fenn | not worth an extra $250 though | 23:25 |
| fenn | i love his bit-banging video output | 23:27 |
| ybit | that's kind of neat | 23:28 |
| ybit | fenn: how often are you using your myvu now? | 23:29 |
| * fenn wonders whether to tell the truth.. | 23:30 | |
| kanzure | i think i've been using it more | 23:30 |
| ybit | :P | 23:30 |
| fenn | i ran out the batteries today, supposedly it goes 4 hours | 23:30 |
| fenn | i was playing this terrible video game "malice" | 23:30 |
| kanzure | i still think there's a beaver in there somewhere, or something | 23:30 |
| fenn | because another terrible video game also named "malice" has a cool soundtrack, which i have, and got sort of mixed up | 23:31 |
| fenn | are you thinking "crash bandicoot"? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | nope | 23:31 |
| kanzure | but that, sir, is also a terrible video game | 23:31 |
| ybit | diddy kong racing ftw | 23:32 |
| ybit | wow, i'm out of the loop, i didn't realize they still make crash bandicoot games | 23:33 |
| kanzure | my first exposure to crash was with spyro the dragon. crash bandicoot was a demo game on the same disc | 23:33 |
| * ybit hasn't played a videogame in ..how long Phreedom? grep the logs! | 23:34 | |
| fenn | batten the hatches! swab the lens! | 23:34 |
| ybit | wow.. 7 months maybe? | 23:34 |
| ybit | is this what happens when you go from geek to nerd? | 23:35 |
| fenn | are gamers geeks? | 23:35 |
| fenn | i mean it's correlated but not causative | 23:35 |
| ybit | i'd classify them as such | 23:35 |
| ybit | thinkgeek thinks so as well | 23:35 |
| fenn | of course thinkgeek would like you to think you're a geek | 23:35 |
| ybit | true, they would call operah a geek if they knew she would buy their stuff | 23:36 |
| ybit | oprah* | 23:36 |
| fenn | oprah is a geek.. her name is an anagram, or something | 23:36 |
| kanzure | ophar? | 23:37 |
| kanzure | i fail | 23:37 |
| fenn | it's "harpo" spelled backwards :\ | 23:37 |
| kanzure | "Harpo (born Jan Harpo Torsten Svensson, 5 April 1950 in Bandhagen, Stockholm), is a Swedish pop star known under the stage name Harpo. ..." | 23:37 |
| ybit | Arthur Adolph "Harpo" Marx (November 23, 1888 – September 28, 1964), born Adolph Arthur Marx, was the second-born of the Marx Brothers and a unique comic performer whose style was influenced by clown and pantomime traditions. | 23:38 |
| ybit | certainly geeky ;) | 23:38 |
| ybit | harpo studio runs the oprah show or something like that | 23:38 |
| kanzure | the what show? | 23:39 |
| ybit | some show on t.v. that older women tend to watch | 23:39 |
| ybit | minus katsmeow-afk | 23:39 |
| genehacker | harpo studies runs oprah? | 23:41 |
| genehacker | never knew | 23:41 |
| fenn | o teh joys of knowledge | 23:41 |
| ybit | neither did and i still don't, it was a quick google scan | 23:41 |
| genehacker | the vuzix has a magnetometer? | 23:41 |
| ybit | how cool is that | 23:42 |
| fenn | <- not impressed | 23:42 |
| genehacker | why? | 23:42 |
| fenn | because it should have a fucking gumstix built in too! | 23:42 |
| genehacker | what the heck does it use the magnetometer for? | 23:42 |
| fenn | so you know what direction you're facing | 23:42 |
| fenn | accelerometer only tells you which way is down | 23:43 |
| genehacker | does it show north? | 23:43 |
| genehacker | in the goggles? | 23:43 |
| fenn | just think about it for a while | 23:43 |
| fenn | ok got it? | 23:44 |
| genehacker | well I thought vuzix only made stuff for ipods and things like that | 23:44 |
| genehacker | I didn't know they were actually doing head tracking | 23:44 |
| fenn | ah but this is the "VR" model | 23:44 |
| genehacker | oh | 23:44 |
| genehacker | no wonder | 23:44 |
| fenn | it's totally lame, don't worry too much about it | 23:44 |
| genehacker | I should have known | 23:44 |
| genehacker | it's not totally lame if you get the head tracking output from it and hook it up to an RC plane with a camera on it actuated by a servo controlled by the head tracking output | 23:45 |
| fenn | ok but why do they have to use HIDRAW and recompile the kernel just to read the tracking data :( | 23:46 |
| genehacker | I don't know | 23:46 |
| fenn | i mean that just screams serial port | 23:46 |
| genehacker | because it's proprietary? | 23:46 |
| * fenn shrugs | 23:46 | |
| genehacker | anyway, something called a monotiltrotor would make a perfect delivery UAV | 23:47 |
| genehacker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFW7HEupkCM | 23:48 |
| fenn | "The systems draws 1 A with no power optimizations. This is acceptable since nobody would want to spend more than a few minutes with two pulsed microwave RF transmitters, an overheating lithium battery and eye-straining optics strapped to their forehead anyway." | 23:48 |
| genehacker | of course that's what it's being touted as | 23:48 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 23:48 |
| genehacker | how's the eyestrain on the myvu? | 23:49 |
| fenn | i dunno, it's certainly not supposed to fit over your glasses so hard to say what it would be like if it werent so obnoxious | 23:50 |
| fenn | man i just want to smack the industrial design department http://www.slashgear.com/kopin-golden-i-gen-2-wearable-computer-on-course-for-2010-launch-2257525/ | 23:53 |
| genehacker | why? | 23:54 |
| fenn | big red blobs of plastic! | 23:55 |
| fenn | and obnoxious logos, on my face! | 23:55 |
| ybit | sed -e :a -e 's/<[^>]*>//g;/</N;//ba' | 23:55 |
| ybit | now that's nice | 23:55 |
| genehacker | that looks optimal for not falling off your head and not vibrating | 23:55 |
| genehacker | not falling off your face is important in the applications where wearables are used | 23:56 |
| genehacker | IE plant inspection | 23:56 |
| genehacker | errr... | 23:56 |
| fenn | uh huh whatever | 23:56 |
| genehacker | are they used in plant inspection yet? | 23:56 |
| genehacker | but yeah awful | 23:56 |
| ybit | regex isn't difficult, and it's quite fun/useful.. | 23:56 |
| genehacker | wait that's a whole computer? | 23:57 |
| fenn | it's the same processor as the beagleboard or gumstix | 23:57 |
| genehacker | so not much power | 23:58 |
| fenn | cortex can render 720p video.. good enuf | 23:58 |
| genehacker | what do you mean by render? | 23:59 |
| genehacker | is it enough to play doom? | 23:59 |
| fenn | display on screen | 23:59 |
| fenn | of course it can play doom.. wtf | 23:59 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:59 |
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