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| ybit | genehacker: a joke | 00:03 |
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| genehacker | ok | 00:05 |
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| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure * r b402265 /web/web.py: committing before i shoot myself in the foot | 00:23 |
| ybit | thank you | 00:23 |
| kanzure | i guess you want to be looking around line 334 | 00:23 |
| genehacker | what does web.py do? | 00:23 |
| kanzure | genehacker: my version of thingiverse | 00:24 |
| genehacker | specifically what does it do? | 00:26 |
| kanzure | it's the website | 00:26 |
| genehacker | allow for contribution of stuff to skdb, allow for display of files, allow for editing and such? | 00:26 |
| kanzure | when you go to thingiverse.com, little gnomes and elves are not manually serving you the pages | 00:26 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:26 |
| genehacker | ok | 00:26 |
| genehacker | sounds like progress | 00:26 |
| genehacker | how is it better than thingiverse? | 00:27 |
| kanzure | no stl | 00:27 |
| kanzure | revision control | 00:27 |
| ybit | and package management | 00:27 |
| genehacker | heh | 00:27 |
| kanzure | dependency management | 00:27 |
| kanzure | anonymous edits | 00:27 |
| kanzure | totally open source | 00:27 |
| genehacker | git 3d? | 00:27 |
| kanzure | 3d? what? | 00:28 |
| ybit | and we replaced gnomes and elves with engininjas | 00:28 |
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| kanzure | ybit: i thought they were ninjaneers? | 00:28 |
| kanzure | or ninjanears | 00:28 |
| genehacker | argh let me find the link to that makers book that cory doctrow wrote | 00:29 |
| ybit | names don't matter, all you should know is that they are automated macgyvers that kick arse | 00:29 |
| kanzure | robomacgyver meets doctor who and gets lost in the translation of awesome | 00:30 |
| genehacker | “We have a published protocol for describing changes to the ride—it’s built on Git3D’s system for marking up and syncing three-dee models of objects; it’s what we used all through the Kodacell days for collaboration. The way you get a ride online is to sync up with our version-server and then instantiate a copy. Then any changes you make get synced back and we instantiate them. Everyone stays in sync, give or take a cou | 00:30 |
| ybit | sounds like a love story | 00:30 |
| genehacker | http://craphound.com/makers/Cory_Doctorow_-_Makers.html | 00:30 |
| genehacker | haven't read the whole thing | 00:31 |
| genehacker | only skimmed the interesting parts | 00:31 |
| kanzure | genehacker: they probably just commited step and iges models like we've been doing for the past year | 00:31 |
| kanzure | it's totally not worth calling it "git3d" | 00:31 |
| genehacker | ok | 00:31 |
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| kanzure | hey jasonwohlfahrt | 00:31 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | hey there, how's it going? | 00:32 |
| kanzure | just doing some midnight coding | 00:32 |
| kanzure | was reading through: http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/ | 00:32 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool. I really like that god helmet idea you sent me! | 00:32 |
| kanzure | yeah that's one of the projects in here that nobody has got around to finishing | 00:32 |
| kanzure | an open source repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation rig | 00:32 |
| genehacker | supposedly you can buy them... | 00:32 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | that sounds awesome | 00:33 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I've got another person to bring along to our next meetup | 00:33 |
| ybit | maybe it's harsh, but i'm not dealing with email for a couple of days until there is some satisfactory progess on web.py | 00:33 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: there's lots of papers here: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/open-rtms/ | 00:33 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | interesting, i'll have to skim over them | 00:33 |
| ybit | as long as you remember what you skimmed... | 00:34 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: yeah if you're serious about it, keep a spreadsheet with a list of the files you've read | 00:35 |
| ybit | when skimming, i tend to forget to easily | 00:35 |
| kanzure | even if it's just a link or filename or something | 00:35 |
| kanzure | er, not a spreadsheet. text files work too | 00:35 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool, will do | 00:36 |
| ybit | i have a list of papers and books to read myself in my ever-growing todo list | 00:36 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | you know anybody who's tried one of these god helmets | 00:36 |
| ybit | i'm guessing we are talking about rTMS? | 00:36 |
| ybit | i'm going to say yes, and no i don't, anyone else though? | 00:37 |
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| ybit | ^ the product of a god helment, poor fella | 00:37 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | hah | 00:37 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: i met http://edboyden.org/ up in new york. i'm pretty sure he's either tried one or had his students try one | 00:37 |
| kanzure | he's awesome in person :) | 00:38 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool, i just read the Wikipedia article on the technology | 00:38 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | can't wait to go to one of these really cool-sounding conferences at some point in the future | 00:38 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | I really want to make it out to a Seasteading event | 00:39 |
| kanzure | the presentations are sometimes lame, but you go for the people | 00:39 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | totally | 00:39 |
| kanzure | there's one coming up in january | 00:39 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | which one? | 00:39 |
| kanzure | one sec | 00:39 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/f753ea0e4685dc9d | 00:40 |
| ybit | i'm still trying to figure out if peter thiel and bunch are right for me | 00:40 |
| kanzure | ybit: the answer is no | 00:40 |
| ybit | how do you figure, what have you read or listened to ? | 00:41 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: so the outlaw biology conference isn't really wired into the transhumanism community, but they ride similar wavelengths | 00:41 |
| kanzure | ybit: i guess i mean by the people he surrounds himself with | 00:41 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | sounds cool | 00:41 |
| kanzure | eliezer, bruce, robin, etc. | 00:41 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised that ben goertzel is able to hang with them actually | 00:42 |
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| jasonwohlfahrt | So many interesting people to meet | 00:43 |
| ybit | or just email | 00:43 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | yeah | 00:43 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | hey bryan, I'll be out of town to till Friday afternoon (Saturday morning at the latest), but we should definitely meet up again this weekend | 00:45 |
| kanzure | okay | 00:45 |
| ybit | jasonwohlfahrt: you should add heath matlock to that list, he's probably the coolest diy transhmanist i've met, and he knows the answer to life, the universe, and everything | 00:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | was a really cool event on saturday | 00:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | nice | 00:45 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: don't listen to ybit, he's heath's bitch | 00:45 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | haha | 00:45 |
| kanzure | they're one in the same | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | have i met you in person, ybit? | 00:46 |
| ybit | doubt it | 00:46 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: ybit will be in town on december 3rd | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool | 00:46 |
| kanzure | in fact, we need a car | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | you still debating on attending the transhumanist feast? | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | oh, and i'd be happy to do transportation | 00:46 |
| kanzure | no, they called it off since nobody was going to attend | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | to whatever | 00:46 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | hmmm | 00:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit: Sea-Steading ; Jerome FitzGerald ; isbn 0-595-38758-6 ; an in-your-face 288 pages on philosophy ethics and the assholes that are around us putting up roadblocks to everything | 00:47 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: i was going to take the bus to pick heath up from the airport, but a car would be way more awesome | 00:47 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | yeah, I'll probably be available that day, just remind me when the date comes close | 00:47 |
| kanzure | the next day we fly up to california, so if you want to hang out on the 3rd with us that's cool | 00:47 |
| kanzure | cool, will do | 00:47 |
| ybit | btw, kanzure i'll just pick up my hdd drive when i'm there, save you shipping, and fenn and you can fight over the $10 | 00:51 |
| kanzure | we bought chocolate | 00:51 |
| ybit | hehe, always thinking ahead | 00:52 |
| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/web/web.py is what i've been hacking on tonight | 00:52 |
| ybit | ..or just think about food | 00:52 |
| ybit | i'll go with the latter | 00:52 |
| ybit | strages: you do IT for NASA, no? hax0r the database and upload to skdb please :) | 00:53 |
| kanzure | i'm sure their data sucks just as much as everyone else's | 00:54 |
| genehacker | but hopefully a bit less | 00:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | cool stuff | 00:54 |
| genehacker | because their nassa | 00:54 |
| genehacker | *NASA | 00:54 |
| ybit | maybe they have access to this national step cad file repo that we don't have access to | 00:54 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | gonna catch some sleep, but I'm gonna keep this window open from now on | 00:54 |
| ybit | gn jasonwohlfahrt, catch you later | 00:55 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | night, later everyone | 00:55 |
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| kanzure_ | adl just crashed? | 00:56 |
| kanzure_ | what did you guys do to it | 00:56 |
| * ybit eyes hesaidcheesehead | 00:57 | |
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| ybit | how much time am i look at wasting for reading AUTOPASS: An Automatic Programming System for | 01:00 |
| ybit | Computer Controlled Mechanical Assembly | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | probably a lot | 01:01 |
| ybit | i'll hold off since it says nothing about making a git based wiki | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: i need you to figure out what i do with a new commit. is the parent SHA the latest tree SHA or the latest blob SHA? | 01:01 |
| genehacker | so what is that autopass stuff about? | 01:02 |
| genehacker | and why is it a waste of time? | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | it's a paper fenn was reading a few months ago i think | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | i think i might have read that.. or maybe not. | 01:05 |
| kanzure_ | jasonwohlfahrt: this is why you should keep a list | 01:05 |
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| kanzure_ | whee: http://www.last.fm/music/Matthew+Dear/_/Takes+on+You | 01:26 |
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| kanzure_ | hey Juul | 01:43 |
| Juul | hello hello. morning in denmarkland | 01:43 |
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| kanzure | repo.get_object(dulwich.object_store.tree_lookup_path(repo.get_object, repo.get_object(repo.head()).tree, "readme.txt")[2]) | 12:34 |
| kanzure | lotta work for a lotta little | 12:34 |
| kanzure | stalk: Jeremiah Petit | 12:42 |
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| kanzure | hey jasonwohlfahrt | 12:48 |
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| fenn | wow this is great, someone else aggregating recipes for once http://open3dp.me.washington.edu/?cat=3 | 13:37 |
| fenn | their "manifesto" is pretty weaksauce though | 13:41 |
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| fenn | every time i get an email from vitaly mankevich i think 'vitaly chernobyl' | 14:09 |
| kanzure | every time i get an email from vitaly i think his name is vitaliy | 14:09 |
| fenn | named after José Antonio Menchaca | 14:13 |
| fenn | It is named for the nearby Manchaca Springs, where Jose Antonio Menchaca ( pronounced Men-cha-ca) once camped. | 14:14 |
| fenn | fucking ignorant texans | 14:15 |
| kanzure | according to Manchaca, Texas it's "man-check" | 14:15 |
| kanzure | Austin pronunciation guide http://texaswatertowers.com/kayandlyn/pronunciation.htm | 14:15 |
| kanzure | "MAN-shack" | 14:15 |
| fenn | yeah, they're the fucking ignorant texans i'm talking about | 14:16 |
| kanzure | "going to" -> "fixin' to" | 14:16 |
| kanzure | hah | 14:16 |
| kanzure | shouldn't config.yaml be under .gitignore in skdb.git? | 14:52 |
| kanzure | "I won't get out of bed for less than £10,000 a day" | 15:09 |
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| fenn | i support your high standard of excellence and motivation | 15:14 |
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| xp_prg | how come a dvd laser cannot be used to do micro fluidic etching on a dvd? | 15:20 |
| nsh | because the laser only changes the colour of a dye | 15:29 |
| nsh | (according to) http://osdir.com/ml/diybio/2009-11/msg00248.html | 15:29 |
| nsh | i wonder if you could formulate a light-activated etchant | 15:34 |
| tim_ | xp_prg: in other words, "writable" CDs and DVDs are never etched. Only 'darkened' by the laser. Like paper that's charred, but not burnt through. | 15:34 |
| kanzure | gee like photolithography nsh? | 15:34 |
| nsh | yah but cheap | 15:35 |
| kanzure | :) | 15:35 |
| * nsh smiles | 15:35 | |
| kanzure | how expensive are the echants anyway? i haven't looked up prices | 15:35 |
| kanzure | piranha, for instance | 15:35 |
| nsh | not sure | 15:37 |
| kanzure | oops that's a cleaning agent | 15:37 |
| kanzure | silicon nitride, silicon oxide, KOH, etc. | 15:37 |
| kanzure | # `See also the two papers 'Etch Rates for Micromachining Processing' Part I and II in Journal of Microelectromechanical Systems by Kirt R. Wiliams et al.` | 15:37 |
| kanzure | for a list of etch rates: http://www.eng.utah.edu/~gale/mems/etch%20rates.pdf | 15:37 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't list cost | 15:37 |
| kanzure | looks like you can etch PSG just by looking at it weird :) | 15:40 |
| nsh | heh | 15:40 |
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| nsh | question: how do you pronounce tuple? | 15:48 |
| kanzure | two-pull? | 15:48 |
| nsh | ah, good | 15:48 |
| kanzure | tuhp uhl? | 15:48 |
| nsh | current lecturer pronounces it as in "tuesday" | 15:49 |
| nsh | and i'm just checking around to make sure that not everyone in the world will be doing that | 15:49 |
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| kanzure | programmers are not meant to speak with each other anyway | 15:49 |
| nsh | true. | 15:50 |
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| kanzure | http://www.luthi.eu/blog/2008/06/git-for-debian-packaging | 15:56 |
| fenn | you know a dvd burner is practically a spin coater already | 16:00 |
| fenn | i am waiting for blu-ray to become cheap, so we can use blue light activated resin | 16:00 |
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| genehacker | blue light activated resin damn | 16:36 |
| genehacker | I didn't even think of that | 16:36 |
| genehacker | blu-ray isn't cheap but HD-DVD is... | 16:37 |
| genehacker | using a DVD burner as a spin coater sounds like a messy proposition | 16:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: net will be slow for a few moments | 16:38 |
| fenn | gotta make the mess somewhere | 16:38 |
| genehacker | usually you do it in a spin coater that closes up | 16:39 |
| fenn | dvd drives close | 16:39 |
| fenn | also you could use the setup for dna synthesis | 16:39 |
| genehacker | so you'd spin coat a CD? | 16:40 |
| fenn | some disk shaped substrate | 16:40 |
| genehacker | silicon shaped like a CD? | 16:40 |
| fenn | who said anything about silicon | 16:40 |
| genehacker | what would you be spin coating and why? | 16:41 |
| genehacker | what material would you be spin coating | 16:41 |
| fenn | whatever cd's are made from, probably | 16:42 |
| fenn | microfluidics was the initial conversation topic | 16:42 |
| tim_ | meh. why wreck the DVD drive using it to spin coat? A $2 12v hobby motor (or one salvaged from almost any household gadget) will spin a CD just fine. Enclose it in a cardboard box. | 16:42 |
| fenn | i could see lots of uses for an automated pattern depositor thingy | 16:42 |
| fenn | tim_: the dvd drive already has fine control over speed up to the cd's breaking speed practically | 16:43 |
| fenn | and it has a laser that focuses on the surface, position control to 1 micron, et etc | 16:43 |
| tim_ | fenn: that laser isn't going to be useful long if you're flinging goop around with the same drive. | 16:43 |
| fenn | yeah i havent really figured that out.. maybe some kidn of 'eyelid' | 16:44 |
| tim_ | fling the goop with a cheap motor, then place the disc in the drive. | 16:44 |
| genehacker | how about a plastic box? | 16:44 |
| fenn | you have to make modifications to add the goop anyway | 16:44 |
| fenn | tim the dna synthesizer requires 4*number of bases in the sequence | 16:44 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 16:44 |
| genehacker | cyranoacrylate can be vapor depositted on to surfaces.. | 16:45 |
| fenn | so that many times ptting it in the drive, taking it out, putting in spin coater,... lots of room for error and a pain in the ass | 16:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.ksc.re.kr/kcnr/Presentations/30thGNR/30thGNR_MIPark.pdf | 16:45 |
| fenn | much rather have it completely automated, even if it requires modifications to the drive | 16:45 |
| tim_ | sounds like you'd be better off building a custom machine anyway. It would be challenging to modify a modern CD/DVD drive to cope with random crap being flung around inside it's case. | 16:46 |
| fenn | tim_: have you been reading the replab mailing list? | 16:46 |
| genehacker | perhaps by shinning some UV light one could pattern cyranoacrylate on a surface and use it like a photoresist | 16:46 |
| tim_ | fenn: nope | 16:46 |
| fenn | cyanoacrylate hardens in air though | 16:47 |
| genehacker | you could do it like you do finger print fuming | 16:49 |
| genehacker | though one might need some sort of initiator | 16:50 |
| genehacker | anyway if this is for making microfluidics it'd better to go with the shrinky-dink route | 16:52 |
| genehacker | one group was able to get the shrinkage right by shrinking them fast | 16:52 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/packages/ | 17:05 |
| kanzure | "QuicKutz® Silhouette SD desktop digital craft cutter " | 17:05 |
| kanzure | http://quickkutz.com/ | 17:06 |
| kanzure | blah $250? | 17:06 |
| kanzure | http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=SILHOUETTE+SD+Digital+Craft+Cutter+Machine+Quickutz&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=US_Die_Cutting_Machines_Dies&_odkw=silhouette+SD&_osacat=0 | 17:11 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://www.rsc.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/delivery/_ArticleLinking/ArticleLinking.cfm?JournalCode=LC&Year=2010&ManuscriptID=b918089c&Iss=Advance_Article | 17:12 |
| kanzure | if it was cheaper than buying a heating iron it might be worth it | 17:23 |
| kanzure | hm i wonder if dulwich works with bare repos | 17:25 |
| kanzure | aha. | 17:26 |
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| QuantumG | We miss you. <- lies | 17:27 |
| QuantumG | what do you call material that changes consistency when an electric current is passed through it? | 17:30 |
| xp_prg | can I ask dumb questions about microfluidics with paper/cutting etc... ? | 17:31 |
| xp_prg | like can you do pcr with it? | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | you can always ask | 17:31 |
| xp_prg | would you use microfluidics for pcr? | 17:32 |
| xp_prg | help me to know stuff about it | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | I don't remember which of these lurkers is the microfluidics dude | 17:33 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: go help yourself and go away | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | hey kanzure, ever read Ender's Game? | 17:37 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:37 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i was doing some reverse compiling stuff a few weeks ago | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | ever thing about how to make a flash suit? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | and somehow i came across your name | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | I'm not surprised :) | 17:39 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i was wondering if you would be willing to help me on a few tasks, actually | 17:48 |
| QuantumG | what ya got? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i've been looking into some DLLs | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i want to use some reverse compilers but i can't seem to find any :) | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | ya, they don't exist.. it's still mostly a manual process | 17:50 |
| QuantumG | how many dlls and how big? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | that's 5 MBs of function/class _names_ | 17:50 |
| kanzure | but let's say i pick one function and want to twiddle with it a bit | 17:50 |
| kanzure | wtf. *MB | 17:51 |
| QuantumG | load the dll up in IDA.. copy out the asm, convert it to semantics by hand, do the minimum amount of work to get it into C, compile it, patch the DLL in memory to point to your new code (either use a debugger or inject a new DLL into the process) and test a lot to see if your C replaces the function correctly.. then try to make the function easier to read. | 17:53 |
| kanzure | you're insane :) | 17:54 |
| kanzure | i've never done DLL patching though | 17:54 |
| kanzure | any hints or tutorials or links on that? | 17:54 |
| QuantumG | but.. if you give me the DLL I'll take a look for ya | 17:54 |
| kanzure | no thanks, there's nothing in particular i want in it | 17:54 |
| kanzure | if you have some tools to do this automatically and clean up common crap, then sure | 17:55 |
| kanzure | how do you swap out the addresses in the DLL file? | 17:55 |
| QuantumG | ya, I don't. You can try Boomerang ... but I stopped working on it a few years ago, so I don't know what state it is in | 17:55 |
| QuantumG | insert a jump at the start of the original function to your replacement function | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: i used to do this with ROMs for video games, and it was space-specific, so inserting stuff randomly would totally fuck it up | 17:56 |
| kanzure | but i can just arbitrarily add in as i see fit? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | with DLLs | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | by "fuck up" i mean change the size and thus fubar everything, all the offsets, etc | 17:57 |
| QuantumG | well, you overwrite the original 5 bytes of code with the jump | 17:57 |
| QuantumG | so you're not inserting anything | 17:57 |
| QuantumG | way I typically do it is to write a DLL with a init function that patches the original DLL and inject it into the running process | 17:59 |
| kanzure | how do you inject DLLs into a process? | 17:59 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.net/injectdll.php | 17:59 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:59 |
| kanzure | source and everything :) thanks | 18:00 |
| kanzure | what's with the random comment spam? | 18:00 |
| QuantumG | no idea, people are dicks | 18:01 |
| kanzure | wonder if this works under wine | 18:01 |
| QuantumG | you'll need to VirtualProtect the original code of the DLL that you want to overwrite, to make it writable | 18:02 |
| wrldpc2 | is there a build of skdb I can point someone to? | 18:03 |
| QuantumG | another way of getting your DLL into a process (and there are many) is to look at the imports of the main EXE and see if there are any DLLs that are imported with only a few imported functions | 18:06 |
| QuantumG | 1 is best | 18:06 |
| QuantumG | then you just write a wrapper for each function | 18:06 |
| QuantumG | name your DLL the same as the imported DLL (renaming the original DLL if needed) and shove it in the same dir as the EXE | 18:07 |
| wrldpc2 | nvm | 18:10 |
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| QuantumG | kanzure: and you think you have problems | 18:23 |
| QuantumG | I just found a dos exe that I want to decompile | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | 16 bit | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | last time I did this was Commander Keen .. and I did it using a modified version of DosBox | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | thankfully someone else has rewritten it | 18:31 |
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| drazak | dosbox is <3 | 18:34 |
| drazak | I play star commander in dosbox | 18:34 |
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| genehacker | argh, why the heck isn't openscad documented? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | peculiar interface: http://www.windowshop.com/ | 19:15 |
| kanzure | hey jasonwohlfahrt | 19:15 |
| kanzure | does amazon own imdb? since when | 19:15 |
| kanzure | huh | 19:15 |
| genehacker | kanzure you wouldn't happen to know any nifty ways to generate .dxf files now would you? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | sure there's lots of python modules that do that | 19:16 |
| genehacker | really? | 19:17 |
| genehacker | so I want to draw lines to make a gear, I assume it's pretty simple to do such a thing/ | 19:17 |
| kanzure | i suggest you do it the way fenn did it for you | 19:19 |
| kanzure | with a python script to write svg | 19:19 |
| kanzure | and then import it into heekscad and convert to dxf | 19:19 |
| genehacker | ok | 19:19 |
| kanzure | but you can also just use a dxf library with python | 19:19 |
| genehacker | I think I'll go with the svg route | 19:21 |
| kanzure | good choice | 19:21 |
| genehacker | I think I'm going to hack at figuring out how to generate the ring gear first though | 19:22 |
| genehacker | and figuring out the math to automatically generate the inner gear | 19:23 |
| kanzure | here's the script he wrote for you: http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal.py | 19:23 |
| genehacker | yeah I saved that | 19:26 |
| genehacker | woo found a 1 tooth difference cycloidal gear design | 19:35 |
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| genehacker | you know gear design that I made awhile back might actaully work | 19:57 |
| genehacker | even though its always in contact | 19:57 |
| genehacker | because there's a patent that says it's ok | 19:58 |
| genehacker | or should be] | 19:58 |
| kanzure | does it worry you that your knowledge is coming from patents | 20:05 |
| genehacker | yeah a bit | 20:05 |
| genehacker | quite annoying too | 20:06 |
| genehacker | but it's unfortunately it's the only good source of information like this | 20:08 |
| kanzure | hey why do they call them labor atories? | 20:32 |
| genehacker | they are a place where labor is performed | 20:40 |
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| kanzure | "Your Yahoo! Mail account is no longer active. | 21:10 |
| kanzure | # All email messages, folders, attachments and preferences have been deleted and cannot be recovered." | 21:10 |
| kanzure | it would have been nice if they would have notified me before trashing it | 21:12 |
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| ybit | kanzure: why are you stalking jeremiah petit? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | ybit: jata introduced me to him | 21:35 |
| kanzure | why, do you know him? | 21:35 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 21:39 |
| genehacker | e.coli PLA production: | 21:39 |
| genehacker | http://blog.reprap.org/2009/11/bugs-brew-pla-direct.html | 21:39 |
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| ybit | 17:25 < kanzure> hm i wonder if dulwich works with bare repos | 21:41 |
| ybit | thanks one of the first things it mentions in the tutorial | 21:42 |
| kanzure | bah tutorials are for quitters | 21:42 |
| kanzure | ([A-Fa-f0-9]{5,40}) | 21:45 |
| kanzure | er maybe just 40 :) | 21:46 |
| kanzure | in fact that doesn't look like much of a good idea | 21:46 |
| ybit | you linked to the tutorial, so... :) | 21:46 |
| kanzure | should the hash come before or after the command in the url? | 21:46 |
| ybit | yes, that's jeremiah the guy who refuses to respond to my emails if he's coming with us or not | 21:47 |
| kanzure | after would be most convenient now | 21:47 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:47 |
| ybit | he posted something on my facebook wall | 21:47 |
| kanzure | huh | 21:47 |
| kanzure | well jata says he needs a place to sleep | 21:47 |
| kanzure | so she introduced me to him today | 21:47 |
| kanzure | haha | 21:47 |
| ybit | he told me he was trying to get in touch with jata but never could and was wondering how to get around the credit card charge they have in place online to register for the event.. that was a couple weeks ago.. | 21:47 |
| ybit | :P | 21:47 |
| ybit | tell him to respond to my messages | 21:48 |
| kanzure | he hasn't actually said anything to me | 21:48 |
| kanzure | just by proxy of jata | 21:48 |
| kanzure | jataproxy | 21:48 |
| ybit | my afternoon was kind of wasted, i finished the last of the 20% of ksrm via tts/mp3, read some git ref material, read the dulwich tutorial, read web.py all the way through except for the last two pages (11 of 13 pages got to the unit tests).. and had to deal with bad music and singing for 4 hours | 21:50 |
| kanzure | why are you.. why are you printing this shit otu? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | *out | 21:50 |
| ybit | because i don't have a notebook computer | 21:50 |
| kanzure | uh, want one? | 21:51 |
| ybit | i'm supposedly getting one in less than a week so that i can have one while traveling | 21:51 |
| ybit | if that weren't the case, then yes | 21:52 |
| kanzure | i'll give you one if you buy a $40 power adapter for it. 21" screen. P4 dual core (yes it's old) | 21:52 |
| ybit | 21" o.O | 21:52 |
| ybit | that's bigger than my desktop screen | 21:52 |
| ybit | that's probably still faster than this computer | 21:53 |
| kanzure | it's what i was using all through high school | 21:53 |
| ybit | jeremiah is on all the mailing lists but never says anything | 21:54 |
| ybit | his email is something like lord.redeemer@gmail.com or something | 21:54 |
| kanzure | right | 21:55 |
| ybit | i've done some stalking awhile ago, so you don't have to | 21:55 |
| ybit | right so if he needs a place, we can fit a roll-away in is what i was told, they doubled checked for me | 21:55 |
| ybit | it's $20 extra per night | 21:55 |
| ybit | that's actually a good thing, the price will go down to about $60 total for everyone | 21:57 |
| ybit | QuantumG: why would you need to inject some code into a running program. can you give me an exmaple of this? | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | if a program does something and you want it to do something else... | 21:59 |
| ybit | an example? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | :) | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | and, ya know, you don't have source | 21:59 |
| kanzure | uh | 21:59 |
| kanzure | well, if you need to get it to do something else | 21:59 |
| kanzure | for instance, let's say you want to get around some activation feature | 22:00 |
| kanzure | activation/registration | 22:00 |
| ybit | gotcha | 22:00 |
| kanzure | or maybe you want to figure out how solidworks works | 22:00 |
| ybit | kind of hard to do that without the source wouldn't you think? | 22:00 |
| fenn | QuantumG: electrorheological fluids work on voltage, not current | 22:00 |
| kanzure | yeah it's a pain in the ass, ybit | 22:00 |
| QuantumG | example: I had a game that would switch out of full screen every time my mouse moved off the screen with synergy.. I figured out how it worked and why it was doing that.. so rather than patch the binary I just wrote a dll that patched it in memory | 22:01 |
| ybit | thanks for the link fenn ( http://open3dp.me.washington.edu/?cat=3 ) | 22:01 |
| ybit | alright, i'm going to call it a wasted day and wake up early tomorrow morning, gn | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | fenn: awesome, that's what I was looking for | 22:03 |
| QuantumG | ... got any guides on how to make them? | 22:03 |
| genehacker | cornstarch+dielectric | 22:03 |
| fenn | powdered silica in PEG? | 22:04 |
| genehacker | has anyone figured out how to make decent actuators with them? | 22:04 |
| fenn | how would that work? | 22:04 |
| genehacker | I don't know | 22:04 |
| fenn | it just changes the viscosity | 22:04 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | I was thinking of making clothing with it embedded in it | 22:04 |
| genehacker | armor? | 22:04 |
| fenn | well in that case you probably want magnetorheological fluid | 22:05 |
| fenn | it works a lot better, no high voltages etc | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | so when you apply the voltage the wearer is "frozen" | 22:05 |
| fenn | burn some extra fine steel wool and mix the rest in mineral oil.. or just buy it from scitoys.com or something | 22:05 |
| fenn | result* | 22:06 |
| genehacker | why would you want to do that? | 22:06 |
| fenn | it makes magnetorheological fluid | 22:06 |
| genehacker | that would be no fun without a spacestation | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | freeze laser tag | 22:06 |
| genehacker | * a large space station | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | :) | 22:06 |
| fenn | and lots of horny ten year olds | 22:07 |
| genehacker | sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen | 22:07 |
| fenn | ... or whatever you were planning to use it for | 22:07 |
| kanzure | 4chan party van? | 22:07 |
| genehacker | RULE 1 VIOLATION | 22:07 |
| fenn | rule 1: there is no rule 1 | 22:07 |
| fenn | or was that "do not talk about rule 1"? | 22:08 |
| genehacker | I can't say, that might violate the rules | 22:08 |
| kanzure | neat joe just offered us up some hosting | 22:09 |
| genehacker | also why don't LED throwies use surface mount | 22:10 |
| genehacker | and smaller coincells | 22:10 |
| fenn | why dont people not suck | 22:10 |
| fenn | led throwies? wtf | 22:10 |
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| genehacker | so you could shout them out of a coil gun | 22:10 |
| genehacker | http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123188458/abstract | 22:11 |
| genehacker | http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123188463/abstract | 22:12 |
| genehacker | you mind hosting those on your server? | 22:12 |
| genehacker | err... | 22:13 |
| genehacker | these are some very interesting papers you should read them | 22:13 |
| QuantumG | are there people who have actually put bioengineered organisms into production making textiles? Or is this just more research-with-possible-application-tacked-on | 22:18 |
| genehacker | yeah | 22:19 |
| genehacker | in fact I'm wearing a shirt made from bioengineered textile right now | 22:19 |
| genehacker | you could be too | 22:19 |
| genehacker | oh and pants | 22:20 |
| genehacker | this bioengineered textile is known as cotton | 22:20 |
| genehacker | looks like research directed toward a practical application | 22:20 |
| QuantumG | lemme fix that up for you... bioengineered microbes | 22:21 |
| genehacker | don't think that's ever been done | 22:21 |
| QuantumG | http://www2.dupont.com/Sorona/en_US/assets/images/Corn%20to%20clothing.jpg | 22:23 |
| QuantumG | step three it would seem | 22:23 |
| QuantumG | to answer my own question | 22:23 |
| genehacker | >petroleum based monomer | 22:24 |
| genehacker | that's cheating | 22:25 |
| QuantumG | still, they're making the monomer in vivo and genetically enhancing the microrganisms to do it, that's pretty awesome | 22:26 |
| genehacker | the PLA thing is cool because PLA is a plastic that reprap happens to use | 22:26 |
| fenn | huh. sparkfun.com is giving away $100 free electronics to anyone who orders on january 7 | 22:28 |
| fenn | until they go broke, that is | 22:28 |
| kanzure | probably a scam. "only these special capacitors" | 22:29 |
| fenn | doesn't look like it | 22:29 |
| kanzure | i wish "alt+tab" would cause me physical pain via an electric shock | 22:30 |
| kanzure | maybe it would train me to stay more focused | 22:30 |
| fenn | maybe you should just close all that crap | 22:30 |
| kanzure | what crap | 22:30 |
| kanzure | this terminal, the other terminal | 22:30 |
| fenn | whatever you are tabbing to | 22:30 |
| kanzure | not the same as pain-reinforced learning | 22:31 |
| genehacker | wait really? | 22:31 |
| genehacker | anyone fenn? | 22:31 |
| genehacker | or just one or two people? | 22:31 |
| * fenn protects his cherished alt-tab reflex | 22:31 | |
| fenn | don't ask me read the fucking page yourself! | 22:32 |
| genehacker | I'm sorry | 22:32 |
| genehacker | I'm just in shock | 22:32 |
| genehacker | I can't believe it | 22:32 |
| * genehacker looks for some gps modules... | 22:34 | |
| fenn | do you even have a project to use those with? | 22:35 |
| genehacker | I want a UAV | 22:35 |
| fenn | they should just make 1 out of 10 random orders free | 22:35 |
| fenn | i guess that wouldnt be the same | 22:36 |
| genehacker | and one needs a gps unit for a uav | 22:36 |
| fenn | or maybe a community based moderation system, but for deciding where teh moneys go | 22:36 |
| fenn | huh they have an irc channel? | 22:37 |
| genehacker | hmmm... now if we pool resources we could get all parts to make a UAV | 22:38 |
| fenn | why can't you use a $5 accelerometer and an avr? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | heh SarahEmm is in there | 22:39 |
| fenn | yep lots of ##electronics people | 22:39 |
| kanzure | oh even fenn | 22:39 |
| kanzure | owait | 22:39 |
| fenn | genehacker: you know about ardupilot right? | 22:40 |
| genehacker | a little bit | 22:40 |
| genehacker | I'm not a big fan of the thermopile stabilization system | 22:41 |
| genehacker | though I wonder if it could be used to make the UAV do aerial maneuvers... | 22:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbwpgyRUv5 ninja kitten | 23:09 |
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| genehacker2 | error, video link invalid | 23:10 |
| kanzure | bah whatever | 23:12 |
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| fenn | well this is certainly interesting http://web.media.mit.edu/~ankit/bokode/ | 23:44 |
| kanzure | 2.5 microns? | 23:45 |
| kanzure | 2.5microns from 4m.. er, how many bits? | 23:46 |
| fenn | how many bits what? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | is this a binary signal? | 23:46 |
| fenn | it's an "angular modulation scheme" | 23:46 |
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| fenn | wow these new gyro chips are amazingly cheap | 23:56 |
| fenn | $7.50 in qty 1, $3.00 in qty 100 | 23:56 |
| genehacker2 | link | 23:58 |
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