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| kanzure | hello MrClif | 00:15 |
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| MrClif | Hello hows it going? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | :) | 00:21 |
| MrClif | Heath told me about his channel. | 00:21 |
| Redeemer | Glad to see word has spread. | 00:22 |
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| kanzure | if you want there are channel logs from the past few years | 00:23 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap.log.tar.gz | 00:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | scarey | 00:23 |
| kanzure | a list of links we've talked about: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap-urls.txt | 00:23 |
| genehacker2 | Hmmm... I should tell one of classmates who happens to be a microcontroller demigeek about this channel | 00:23 |
| MrClif | ok I'll book mark those thanks. | 00:23 |
| MrClif | I'm also friends with some of the fab at home guys. | 00:24 |
| kanzure | hod? | 00:24 |
| genehacker2 | evan malone? | 00:24 |
| kanzure | screw evan. we want hod :) | 00:24 |
| genehacker2 | aren't they working on version 2.0 | 00:25 |
| genehacker2 | have you read his recent work kanzure? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | hod's? yes | 00:25 |
| MrClif | Don't think I know him but... yes I've emailed even. but mostly Turlif and his dad Carl. | 00:25 |
| genehacker2 | about digital materials | 00:25 |
| kanzure | wait wait, don't distract me | 00:25 |
| kanzure | i'm writing | 00:25 |
| genehacker2 | what class? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | no, it's a paper for a conference | 00:25 |
| genehacker2 | what conference? | 00:26 |
| MrClif | Say, is there a problem with freefab.org? | 00:27 |
| kanzure | MrClif: you should probably just look at http://openmanufacturing.org/ instead | 00:27 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: http://designconference.org/ | 00:27 |
| genehacker2 | Croatia? | 00:28 |
| MrClif | So is freefab dead? | 00:28 |
| genehacker2 | dang | 00:28 |
| genehacker2 | good luck | 00:28 |
| kanzure | MrClif: there was never any content on that site | 00:28 |
| MrClif | ok | 00:28 |
| kanzure | check the /topic for some links that aren't quite as dead | 00:28 |
| MrClif | got it, thx.. | 00:29 |
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| kanzure | i didn't mean for him to go away | 00:35 |
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| kanzure | woah | 00:43 |
| kanzure | wtf | 00:43 |
| kanzure | Spatiotemporal control of cell signalling using a light-switchable protein interaction | 00:43 |
| kanzure | Nature 461, 997-1001 (15 October 2009) | doi:10.1038/nature08446; | 00:43 |
| kanzure | Received 8 July 2009; Accepted 24 August 2009; Published online 13 | 00:43 |
| kanzure | September 2009 | 00:43 |
| kanzure | lead author: our friend anselm :-) | 00:43 |
| kanzure | yay anselm | 00:43 |
| Redeemer | Sounds related to his talk at H+ | 00:44 |
| fenn | he's doing awesome work, not surprised it's in nature | 00:44 |
| kanzure | weird i think he's the first lead author of a nature paper that i personally know.. or knew before i realized he was a nature paper author or something | 00:46 |
| kanzure | as if that means something. i guess it's just cool trivia | 00:47 |
| kanzure | here it is: http://designfiles.org/papers/Spatiotemporal%20control%20of%20cell%20signalling%20using%20a%20light-switchable%20protein%20interaction.pdf | 00:51 |
| kanzure | his talk: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ansyem.html | 00:52 |
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| kanzure | hello lee | 00:55 |
| kanzure | technologicle1: we were just talking about http://designfiles.org/papers/Spatiotemporal%20control%20of%20cell%20signalling%20using%20a%20light-switchable%20protein%20interaction.pdf | 00:55 |
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| technologicle1 | how ironic - i was searching through my email and was looking at a similar thread http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_thread/thread/113abbd0778f488?hl=en | 01:09 |
| technologicle1 | actually i think it is about this article.. | 01:10 |
| kanzure | same thing | 01:10 |
| kanzure | #hplusroadmap is about 5 to 10 minutes ahead | 01:10 |
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| kanzure | hello EmbraceUnity | 01:13 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 01:13 | |
| EmbraceUnity | goodnight | 01:13 |
| technologicle1 | also my google alert for molecular assembler turned up this result for a cell blueprint http://biosingularity.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/first-ever-blueprint-of-a-minimal-cell-is-more-complex-than-expected/ | 01:14 |
| technologicle1 | my joke is that i am ahead of my time, but only by 2 minutes - so i gotta move quick | 01:16 |
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| technologicle1 | ok - i read the article - now what to do with the information? | 01:33 |
| fenn | pff that article is so last week | 01:43 |
| fenn | technologicle1: ok now take a bunch of mutated dna polymerases and make a light-controlled in-vivo DNA synthesis machine | 01:46 |
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| technologicle1 | oohhh - nice ! | 02:42 |
| technologicle1 | but, what would the light control be used for? | 02:43 |
| technologicle1 | also - i was not clear which part induced the light sensitivity - what is the sequence for that? | 02:49 |
| technologicle1 | is this within DIY capability? | 02:49 |
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| fenn | it's standard restriction enzyme stuff, so depending on your definition of "DIY capability" probably not | 04:26 |
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| ybit | hi MrClif | 11:49 |
| ybit | fenn: what was anselm talking to you about | 11:50 |
| ybit | ..at the party | 11:50 |
| ybit | he was intense | 11:50 |
| MrClif | Howdy Hackers. :-) | 11:53 |
| MrClif | I was just watching the youtube SKDB series. | 11:53 |
| kanzure | MrClif: cool :) like? | 11:57 |
| MrClif | Yes very cool! | 11:58 |
| kanzure | for some reason people in france and the netherlands like the videos | 11:58 |
| Utopiah | yes, we do | 11:59 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: where are you from? | 11:59 |
| MrClif | Say I mentioned this to Heath, I have some pretty capable servers over at Paul Vixies place (ISC) that are very underutilised. | 11:59 |
| ybit | switzerland, no? | 11:59 |
| Utopiah | France | 11:59 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: aha | 11:59 |
| kanzure | so it's you :) | 11:59 |
| kanzure | well you guys are 13% of the views | 11:59 |
| kanzure | MrClif: neat, servers are always wonderful | 11:59 |
| Utopiah | well, I watched the 3 videos but only once | 11:59 |
| Utopiah | probably shared it with some local friends but not 500 | 11:59 |
| ybit | MrClif: would you mind hosting papers and books on those servers? :-) | 12:00 |
| Utopiah | (guess I could with the local H+ chapter though, doing it now then) | 12:00 |
| MrClif | not at all bring it on. | 12:00 |
| ybit | okie doke, prepare for the onslaught then | 12:00 |
| MrClif | ;-) | 12:00 |
| kanzure | MrClif: a mirror of http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ would be hot | 12:01 |
| ybit | well, i'm off on a 4 hour trip, fingers crossed i finish up the .deb today -_- | 12:01 |
| Utopiah | (regarding Switzerland I hope my CERN booking will work out, fingers crossed) | 12:01 |
| MrClif | ummmm those papers woundn't have any (C) intaglements woud they? :-/ | 12:01 |
| kanzure | you people and your fingers | 12:01 |
| kanzure | MrClif: and you think books wouldn't? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | MrClif: but anyway, skdb hosting would be cool too.. right now it's on a lab server | 12:01 |
| kanzure | joe rayhawk and some other peeps were offering hosting, but i think we need some mirrors and places to let people work | 12:02 |
| kanzure | the web framework is based off of people having .git repositories for their hardware | 12:02 |
| MrClif | yep... | 12:02 |
| kanzure | and lots of people don't really have shells | 12:02 |
| kanzure | are you a linux sysadmin dood? | 12:02 |
| MrClif | I provide shells to responsable people. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | ok neat | 12:02 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: actually I subscribed to your YT channel after watching, hopefuly more videos coming (fingers crossed, yes that one is just to be annoying) | 12:03 |
| MrClif | but ISC gets real twitchy when the port scans start. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | what is ISC? | 12:03 |
| MrClif | where im hosted isc.org. the home of the F.root nameserver. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | oh shit | 12:04 |
| MrClif | they are a 501(c)3 and under some scrutney and that gets passed along to the sites there. | 12:04 |
| kanzure | wait does ISC host all 13 of the root name servers? | 12:04 |
| MrClif | no I'm sure they are all over the world | 12:05 |
| MrClif | but I have lots of disk space and free BW power etc. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | props :). i'm really busy today (writing a paper) | 12:06 |
| kanzure | but i want to look into this | 12:06 |
| MrClif | ok We'll talk later then... | 12:06 |
| kanzure | and get some skdb documentation going real soon now | 12:06 |
| MrClif | (RSN) TM ;-) | 12:06 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 12:07 |
| MrClif | Yeah I have to clear my stack of side projects which will take awhile *sigh*... | 12:07 |
| Utopiah | http://blog.unptnt.com/ down? relocated? http://www.actualhardware.com/ ? | 12:21 |
| kanzure | unptnt.com probably won't happen.. dave seems to be happy with skdb :) | 12:37 |
| kanzure | actualhardware.com is dave's latest, yeah | 12:37 |
| Utopiah | you mentionned OSHBank too, what is that? | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://oshwbank.org/ | 12:37 |
| Utopiah | ah ok, then I guess there was a typo in the PDF< thanks | 12:38 |
| kanzure | oops :( | 12:40 |
| Utopiah | kristianpaul: ping | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | hey randallagordon | 12:58 |
| randallagordon | Howdy | 12:58 |
| randallagordon | stumbled in via a post to diybio...I feel like I've found home... | 12:59 |
| kanzure | you probably have. what's up? | 12:59 |
| randallagordon | not much, just figured I'd stop by and see how active the channel is, looks to be quite well used | 13:00 |
| kanzure | we're really busy trying to come up with more documentation for skdb | 13:00 |
| kanzure | the response from the conference videos has been more than i expected | 13:00 |
| randallagordon | just watched the SKDB videos from H+, I'm floored | 13:01 |
| kanzure | i wish i was smart enough to do documentation *before* the conference :) | 13:01 |
| randallagordon | hindsight, right? ;) | 13:01 |
| kanzure | right right | 13:01 |
| randallagordon | I've been loosely follow 3d printers and self-replication for several years, but never did much deep digging... So, seeing all these CNC projects at this maturity level has opened my eyes to the fact that I should have been paying closer attention for a while now! | 13:03 |
| kanzure | what were you doing? waiting for the future to happen? | 13:04 |
| randallagordon | Oh, no! ...I'm one of those people with too many hobbies to pick just one to focus on | 13:05 |
| kanzure | sure. me too. http://heybryan.org/ | 13:05 |
| randallagordon | Just paying attention to other areas | 13:05 |
| kanzure | diybio maybe? | 13:06 |
| randallagordon | hehe, actually I've been digging through your site since I joined the chan ;) | 13:06 |
| randallagordon | Nah, diybio I came to recently as well. | 13:06 |
| MrClif | Same here I just joined yesterday after running accross a diybio posting on SEM/FIB. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | it will take me a while to learn what each of you are interested in.. but there's a lot of neat work going on | 13:08 |
| randallagordon | The past few years I've focused on a combination of user experience/user interface design, getting a bit more serious with graphics design as well as trying to fill in the gaping hole of economics and business that I thoroughly ignored all my life...all in an attempt to try and make a living off what I love to do--work with the web | 13:08 |
| kanzure | ybit has taken up making a .deb for skdb, and we need more people making STEP models of awesome hardware | 13:08 |
| kanzure | ew, UI :p | 13:08 |
| randallagordon | hehe, UI is important ;) even if it is a struggle | 13:09 |
| MrClif | a good UI will get the projects out into the mainstream. :-) | 13:10 |
| randallagordon | bingo ;) | 13:10 |
| kanzure | oh i shoudl show you the skdb web server thingy i was working on before the talk.. let me turn it on | 13:10 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org:8081/ have fun | 13:10 |
| randallagordon | plus, I'm getting old...I'm not as quick to jump straight to "RTFM" as I used to be ;) | 13:10 |
| kanzure | as soon as i put up the icons in the "packages" view, people started to understand | 13:10 |
| kanzure | which i find amazing.. it's just a few icons. but whatever. | 13:10 |
| randallagordon | many people have a hard time visualizing complex ideas, even tiny seeds grow into amazing ideas | 13:11 |
| kanzure | yeah i've been looking for a diagram to explain "downloading hardware from the web" | 13:12 |
| randallagordon | it is just timing out on my end | 13:12 |
| kanzure | oh | 13:12 |
| kanzure | uh | 13:12 |
| randallagordon | I'd say show a video of the RepRap or other CNC equipment in action...seeing it happen speaks volumes | 13:13 |
| randallagordon | I was explaining SKDB to a buddy two days ago for about 10 minutes...simply no clarity was coming around...loaded up the video of the RepRap in action and he immediately put everything together | 13:13 |
| kanzure | randallagordon: try now | 13:13 |
| MrClif | Say in the talk you guys mentioned a $2000 version of the shoptech router, do you have some links to that? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | shoptech? do you mean mechmate? or shopbot? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | http://mechmate.com/ | 13:14 |
| kanzure | http://shopbottools.com/ | 13:14 |
| MrClif | yes either I think. | 13:15 |
| kanzure | shopbot is $10k+. mechmate can be thrown together for a few thousand. | 13:15 |
| MrClif | Yes that puts it within reach. :-) | 13:16 |
| kanzure | you can buy used stuff dirt cheap | 13:16 |
| kanzure | .. as long as you can haul. | 13:16 |
| MrClif | from ebay for example? | 13:16 |
| kanzure | dunno. i haven't bought anything "big" off of ebay- i guess i'd be careful about shipping rates | 13:17 |
| kanzure | but if you have a truck, and you have craigslist in the area, and local machine shops, you should be good | 13:17 |
| randallagordon | try metal recyclers...they tend to try and sell off "working" parts rather than melt them down | 13:17 |
| MrClif | ok I guess I would be looking for old XY tables. | 13:18 |
| kanzure | hey just a word of warning, many of us in here are totally broke | 13:18 |
| kanzure | so our concept of money and how much stuff should cost is very warped | 13:18 |
| randallagordon | I feel ya there | 13:18 |
| kanzure | so to me mechmate is ridiculously expensive, and shopbot is absurd | 13:18 |
| kanzure | even though shopbot is technically one of the cheapest deals out there | 13:19 |
| MrClif | ;-) got it. I've lived like a starving collage student for most of my life I can relate. | 13:19 |
| kanzure | er wait, it isn't, but it's ranking there | 13:19 |
| kanzure | collage student huh | 13:19 |
| randallagordon | ...far, far less than commercial/industrial solutions | 13:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:19 |
| MrClif | by the way I every one teases me about my spelling. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | i literally busted out laughing when i learned that haas stuff costs $100k minimum | 13:20 |
| MrClif | Hey, a bit more about me, a long time ago I worked on this project: http://www.bhutan-notes.com/clif/ | 13:22 |
| randallagordon | To play devil's advocate, the flipside is that if you've got a good idea, $100k for a piece of equipment can be made back quickly. The machine then becomes an investment... | 13:23 |
| MrClif | True. | 13:23 |
| kanzure | MrClif: so were you using commercial antennas? | 13:23 |
| randallagordon | But, you've gotta ensure that your idea will generate at least that much in return...which is the difficult part | 13:23 |
| kanzure | some of us aren't interested in money at all | 13:23 |
| MrClif | yes in that project we were. | 13:23 |
| kanzure | i know that's a bad thing to say. i'm cool with balancing the books, but honestly i just want to make stuff | 13:24 |
| randallagordon | oh, that I get | 13:24 |
| kanzure | cool, cool | 13:24 |
| kanzure | so i'm not going to tell you i'm going to get a trillion percent ROI on blah blah blah | 13:24 |
| MrClif | you know the Poynting yaggies are only about $14 each. | 13:25 |
| kanzure | MrClif: what is this document? doesn't look quite like a howto | 13:25 |
| kanzure | a report. hm. you wrote it up? | 13:25 |
| MrClif | yes for the ITU you are required to finish a report to get paid. :-) | 13:25 |
| kanzure | you're my hero: http://www.bhutan-notes.com/clif/images/No_1.jpg | 13:26 |
| MrClif | It took me foever to get it done but I was somewhat motivated... | 13:26 |
| randallagordon | I would have quoted that word for word several years back...I'm just finding that I can build faster and get further by finding methods to use my ideas to produce the cash up front that I need to pay for equipment to finish the job...the business world, rightfully, gets a bad rap, but there's a need to separate the fact that commerce/business can be a tool just as much as a CNC router...business isn't evil, some people pr | 13:26 |
| kanzure | my future setup: http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/notstevebutjoe/IMG_0872.JPG | 13:26 |
| randallagordon | business methods which doesn't create dependencies within the market they serve | 13:26 |
| kanzure | randallagordon: yep i think we're on the same wavelength | 13:27 |
| randallagordon | ...but most people certainly haven't been given a reason to trust corps | 13:27 |
| randallagordon | mmm, wall of data | 13:28 |
| MrClif | Well its been fun chatting but I have some code to finish before the day is done... | 13:29 |
| MrClif | Catch ya later.. :-) | 13:29 |
| randallagordon | Have fun :) | 13:29 |
| MrClif | Ciao! | 13:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.ladyada.net/library/kits/kitmaking.html | 13:29 |
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| kanzure | who was it that was working on the solarnetone project? shogunx? where is he these days | 13:30 |
| randallagordon | Personally I'm toying with the idea that the "proper" place for an ethical business is one which educates its customers to be able to provide for themselves. So profit begets more profit, rather than draining a market. But making that a reality is the difficult part...certainly not impossible, however. | 13:32 |
| randallagordon | Here's my current project: http://picasaweb.google.com/randallagordon/DIYHydroponics | 13:53 |
| kanzure | neat :) | 13:54 |
| kanzure | i'll look into that more thoroughly later (busy), but someone was in here a few months ago doing hydroponics with a styrofoam cup | 13:55 |
| randallagordon | been interested in hydroponics for a while, then got to reading about some of the Controlled Environment Agriculture work being done at Cornell and U of Arizona and now I'm an addict | 13:56 |
| randallagordon | enjoying a sandwhich with some of that home grown lettuce right now :) | 13:56 |
| randallagordon | ...and I actually got involved so I could assist a buddy who is selling niche LED lighting products...I'm also an LED addict, so it fit in naturally! See, too many hobbies... ;) | 13:57 |
| kanzure | randallagordon: do you do web design? CSS/XHTML crap? | 14:13 |
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| randallagordon | I do | 14:14 |
| randallagordon | feel free to abbreviate my name to rag, ranbot or rb3k...randallagordon is a bit...lettery... | 14:16 |
| kanzure | there's an IRC trick where you can press tab after typing the first few letters to complete the name automagically | 14:17 |
| randallagordon | that works too | 14:17 |
| randallagordon | hoorah for autocompletion | 14:17 |
| randallagordon | I haven't really used IRC since about 2001ish | 14:17 |
| randallagordon | now that I'm getting back into the development side of things, I'm finding myself here more and more often, though, heh | 14:18 |
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| randallagordon | Hello danielfalck...fellow Oregonian? | 14:30 |
| danielfalck | hello | 14:30 |
| danielfalck | yes | 14:30 |
| danielfalck | Beaverton area | 14:30 |
| randallagordon | Right on, I live in Lebanon | 14:30 |
| randallagordon | Sodaville, specifically, if you're familiar with the area...Albany would be the next largest town, if you're not :) | 14:31 |
| danielfalck | Albany will do-I'm not too familiar the area | 14:32 |
| danielfalck | are you a programmer? | 14:32 |
| randallagordon | I am | 14:33 |
| danielfalck | I'm not, but I dabble in python | 14:33 |
| randallagordon | Nice, I'm a bit on the oldschool side, I still prefer good ol' C ;) Although most of my efforts these days are with the web, mostly on the design side, so little programming | 14:35 |
| danielfalck | most of my efforts lately have been just trying to get software to play together nicely on my mac | 14:36 |
| randallagordon | But, my fiance is learning Python at the moment, that's good fun. She's a biology geek, and is at least partially responsible for my showing up here (since she got me interested in bio, eventually I subscribed to the diybio list, and a post there led me here...) | 14:36 |
| danielfalck | so I'm having to learn a little more about make files and other stuff that's just not too fun | 14:36 |
| randallagordon | ahh, yes, but all that knowledge will come in very handy down the line | 14:36 |
| randallagordon | but, yeah, quite boring up front | 14:37 |
| danielfalck | I sure hope so | 14:37 |
| kristianpaul | Utopiah: pong | 15:06 |
| Utopiah | kristianpaul: check the http://oshwbank.org/ shared here earlier | 15:07 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 15:07 |
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| kristianpaul | Utopiah: yes i knew it, is just dont like atmel | 15:30 |
| kristianpaul | other non atmel kits are okay | 15:30 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 15:30 |
| Utopiah | kristianpaul: do you know of similar initiatives? | 15:30 |
| kristianpaul | Utopiah: nope | 15:31 |
| kristianpaul | but this i dont like at all, looks tooo comercial more than collaborative | 15:31 |
| kristianpaul | is my personal opinion | 15:31 |
| kristianpaul | Utopiah: but there is a lot of FLOSS hardware desgins out there | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | piclist | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | opencicuits | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | opencicuits* | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | r* | 15:32 |
| Utopiah | openbiscuits yes | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware/projects | 15:33 |
| kristianpaul | i remeber you pass me thank link time ago too | 15:34 |
| kristianpaul | and there is no need of have all that just in one place ! | 15:34 |
| kristianpaul | :P | 15:34 |
| kristianpaul | and i relly love this http://en.wikiants.org/ Utopiah | 15:35 |
| Utopiah | :) | 15:35 |
| Utopiah | kristianpaul: well, maybe not everything in one place but, having a global view can lead to interesting crossover projects/ideas | 15:37 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 15:37 |
| Utopiah | (and also less inefficiency from redundancy) | 15:37 |
| kristianpaul | i hope thats why i'm here .p | 15:37 |
| * kristianpaul waching permaculture 40min documental from http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/11/greening-the-desert-ii-final/ | 15:38 | |
| Utopiah | damn, I had permaculture links for you but I forgot... will share them later on | 15:41 |
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| kanzure | what? http://p2pfoundation.net/?title=file:tangilebit.png&diff=0&oldid=prev/ | 15:48 |
| kanzure | i wonder why samrose is working on that.. | 15:48 |
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| kristianpaul | /win 11 | 17:13 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/diy-book-scanner/ eh not automated. | 17:34 |
| kanzure | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/13/1747201/The-DIY-Book-Scanner?art_pos=4 | 17:35 |
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| kanzure | http://eztv.it/ for television show torrents. so on second thought it's probably worthless | 17:40 |
| Utopiah | (if you are into TH shows http://www.casttv.com/online-tv-guide > *) | 17:41 |
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| Utopiah | hmmm, did the EFF (or sth related) already defend some DIY cases on the basis of intellectual property infringement? | 17:46 |
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| genehacker2 | really | 18:00 |
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| kanzure | fenn: which spaces have you checked out? hackerdojo? noisebridge? langton? | 18:17 |
| Utopiah | would be pretty amazing to have every hardware stuff with IPv6 providing API and queue but also geolocation information and cost of running... it will instantly make an entire production network... | 18:18 |
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| genehacker3 | geez my internet connection is going wild | 18:23 |
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| kanzure | hey Redeemer | 18:25 |
| Redeemer | Mornin | 18:25 |
| genehacker3 | kanzure so you can log into computer lab machines and use software on them? | 18:26 |
| genehacker3 | here? | 18:26 |
| fenn | kanzure: just noisebridge, i've mostly been sick and playing video games | 18:26 |
| genehacker3 | hope you didn't get swineflu | 18:27 |
| genehacker3 | dang happened to miss the vaccinations here... | 18:27 |
| fenn | swine flu doesn't start out as a sinus infection | 18:27 |
| Redeemer | Swineflu sucks, but is definitely beatable. | 18:27 |
| fenn | i dont kiss cardboard vampires either, regardless what happens in my dreams | 18:27 |
| genehacker3 | do you atleast tell twilight fans the spoilers? | 18:28 |
| fenn | "bella dies" | 18:28 |
| genehacker3 | so kanzure can you log into the lab machines over the internet | 18:28 |
| Redeemer | Edward kills dumbledore. | 18:28 |
| genehacker3 | it's worse than bella dies | 18:29 |
| kanzure | genehacker3: yes | 18:29 |
| * genehacker3 throws down a change the topic to something other than twilight card before we even go there | 18:29 | |
| genehacker3 | can you use solidworks on them? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | no my lab machines are linux | 18:29 |
| genehacker3 | argh | 18:30 |
| kanzure | who's flextronics? | 18:30 |
| genehacker3 | I want do some FEM stuff over the break in solidworks, but I don't have solidworks | 18:30 |
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| genehacker3 | that stuff takes a really long time... | 18:31 |
| QuantumG | wget 'http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4857163/SolidWorks_2009_for_64_bit_based_systems.4857163.TPB.torrent' | 18:31 |
| kanzure | danielcc1: i hear you have equipment? | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | or, ya know, whatever is appropriate for you | 18:32 |
| danielcc1 | indeed | 18:32 |
| kanzure | let's hear it :) | 18:32 |
| danielcc1 | i have a shop with vacuum equ.(10^-7 torr) tools and whatnot | 18:32 |
| genehacker3 | quantumg, I can't torrent here it's not safe | 18:32 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: eh doesn't run well under vmware, wine, etc. | 18:32 |
| danielcc1 | welders drills vices | 18:32 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: ya, I work with 64-bit windoze machines, so it'll be going on one of those | 18:33 |
| fenn | danielcc1: where at? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | south carolina | 18:34 |
| QuantumG | and I'm sure I'll be "meh, too hard" and forget about it :) | 18:34 |
| fenn | i wonder if it's cold there too | 18:34 |
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| kanzure | fenn: have you tried using a blanket | 18:35 |
| Redeemer | 10 degrees here in Minnesota. Warm out. | 18:35 |
| genehacker4 | it's rather nice here | 18:36 |
| genehacker4 | not even jacket weather | 18:37 |
| fenn | remember how i said video game graphics never improve? well "call of duty: modern warfare" has certainly improved | 18:37 |
| genehacker4 | never improved? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | oh noes fenn has found out about video games | 18:37 |
| Redeemer | I like that game, fun times | 18:37 |
| genehacker4 | you must be playing those anime game thing | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | as long as you're meta about the whole thing, video game graphics do never change | 18:38 |
| QuantumG | first you're dazzled by the eye candy | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | then you adjust to it | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | and then something else comes out with more eye candy | 18:39 |
| fenn | maybe it's just that still screenshots don't really do it justice | 18:39 |
| kanzure | http://steevols.deviantart.com/gallery/ | 18:39 |
| kanzure | stalk: stephen nabholz | 18:39 |
| kanzure | stalk: nigel bosch | 18:39 |
| QuantumG | all the time striving for photorealism and you think "ya know, is photorealism really the right goal?" | 18:40 |
| genehacker4 | pah you and your 3d games | 18:40 |
| genehacker4 | I much prefer 2d sometimes | 18:40 |
| fenn | QuantumG: um, yeah. wtf | 18:40 |
| genehacker4 | whoa those greek busts must be using subsurface scattering rendering | 18:41 |
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| fenn | photorealism is the right goal | 18:41 |
| * fenn notes the holodeck was not rendered in anime style | 18:42 | |
| QuantumG | the holodeck wasn't exactly good entertainment either | 18:42 |
| QuantumG | for the fictional characters or for the poor viewers who had to watch the fictional characters. | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | shame they never put WoW in the holodeck.. it would be the ultimate in non-fun gaming | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | "you mean I *literally* have to level grind? wtf?" | 18:44 |
| kanzure | guh? http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2009/07/20/apollo-11-command-module-code-goes-open-source/ | 18:44 |
| genehacker4 | argh, I can't find the anime game nerd rant that made me lose faith in humanity | 18:45 |
| QuantumG | people have already hooked up treadmills to WoW | 18:45 |
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| QuantumG | .. as if the "OMG, how does running around == gaming?" conundrum wasn't already bad enough. | 18:46 |
| danielcc1 | lol gaming in the real world | 18:47 |
| Redeemer | Keeps them from getting totally overweight. | 18:47 |
| genehacker4 | maybe with wearable setups life can be a game | 18:47 |
| danielcc1 | oh wait it already isnt? | 18:47 |
| genehacker4 | MAKE A 3D PRINTER FOR 1000 POINTS | 18:47 |
| QuantumG | ya know what else does that? Not playing a game for 80+ hours a week | 18:47 |
| genehacker4 | Well I want to get a highscore | 18:47 |
| fenn | QuantumG sure likes to argue | 18:48 |
| Redeemer | Life: The Game sucks, constantly losing. | 18:49 |
| QuantumG | yup, so trying to make your game "more life-like" sounds like a lose to me :) | 18:49 |
| kanzure | i think you should try to make your life as real as possible.. QuantumG i think you have your priorities all out of whack | 18:49 |
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| fenn | i reject your reality | 18:50 |
| kanzure | and substitute what? your mom? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | anyway | 18:50 |
| fenn | what does that even mean? "make your life as real as possible" | 18:50 |
| genehacker2 | wait a second, quantumg are you a game addict? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: groundtruthing can be hard | 18:51 |
| fenn | don't tell me you're an existentialist | 18:51 |
| QuantumG | genehacker2: actually, no, I don't play many games at all.. | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i don't think so | 18:51 |
| kanzure | enough philosophy | 18:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: we need to figure out what to do with all the wonderful newbies | 18:52 |
| genehacker2 | we should set up an educator bot | 18:52 |
| Redeemer | Even with the gaming I do (plenty of it) they still happily remind me that even there I shall fail. | 18:52 |
| kanzure | you're already a bot | 18:52 |
| genehacker2 | I already know that | 18:53 |
| fenn | at the very least, they could each pick a hardware project, describe its fundamental physical legal and performance characteristics, throw that in a yaml file, and aggregate all the design files in a directory | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | excellent idea | 18:54 |
| kanzure | i don't think people know how to make folders anymore | 18:54 |
| fenn | i tried to make it simple | 18:54 |
| Redeemer | Heretic! Simplicity is heresy! | 18:55 |
| fenn | this would actually be sort of an experiment.. to see if volunteers can assimilate information into a form i can deal with more easily than directly assimilating it myself | 18:55 |
| kanzure | IMHO these volunteers aren't maintainers quite yet | 18:56 |
| fenn | yeah that's why i didnt say "have them make an SKDB package" | 18:56 |
| kanzure | need i remind everyone of the .. er. well someone sent in a file | 18:56 |
| kanzure | and it was about something. welding? | 18:57 |
| fenn | genehacker's process files? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | brainfart | 18:57 |
| kanzure | oh they were process.yaml stuff? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | maybe that explains it | 18:57 |
| fenn | i think that's what they were supposed to be.. it was just lists of equations with unlabeled variables though | 18:57 |
| fenn | oh, there's lots more process data to ... process | 18:58 |
| fenn | the scans are still on adl somewhere | 18:58 |
| kanzure | the book? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i thought you dried it up | 18:58 |
| fenn | yeah 'manufacturing process reference guide' | 18:58 |
| fenn | i only did like 12 out of 150 | 18:59 |
| kanzure | the big problem i still see is that nobody is bothering to try heekscad | 19:00 |
| kanzure | and for some reason openscad has been gaining momentum from thingiverse and makerbot | 19:00 |
| kanzure | but you can't get data out of openscad easily | 19:01 |
| kanzure | (or at all at the moment) | 19:01 |
| fenn | yeah it is sort of like pov-ray | 19:02 |
| fenn | that's not necessarily a bad thing | 19:02 |
| fenn | i do hope they make some python bindings | 19:02 |
| kanzure | my mesh to boundary representation code doesn't work yet | 19:02 |
| fenn | yet? hah | 19:02 |
| fenn | that's a "Hard Problem" | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:03 |
| kanzure | actually it seems harder to code than it is to solve. i see lots of half solutions in the literature, but not much working demo stuff. (probably because everyone goes commercial) | 19:03 |
| fenn | i bet it will be a human-assisted process for a long time to come, like OCR | 19:04 |
| kanzure | maybe the mesh fetism won't last | 19:04 |
| kanzure | *fetishism | 19:04 |
| fenn | it's not "fetishism" it's just way easier to write code to deal with meshes | 19:04 |
| kanzure | no i think the issue is that more tools export meshes | 19:05 |
| fenn | ^^ see what i said | 19:05 |
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| kanzure | the users don't write the code | 19:05 |
| fenn | someone has to write the code | 19:05 |
| genehacker | what about inputing the data? | 19:05 |
| fenn | please restate the question in the form of an answer | 19:05 |
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| kanzure | isn't it kind of a cheat that stl-machines don't care whether or not the model is closed volume? | 19:07 |
| kanzure | er nevermind | 19:07 |
| kanzure | closed volume is pretty useless in IGES, you can import meshes but it's useless | 19:07 |
| fenn | stl has to be a closed volume | 19:09 |
| fenn | i dont know what you're talking about i guess | 19:10 |
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| kanzure | huh? i've made lots of stl models where there were some triangles hanging off | 19:10 |
| fenn | i'm sure it's possible to screw up just about any format | 19:11 |
| kanzure | btw your shoes arrived | 19:18 |
| fenn | pants | 19:34 |
| fenn | did i get a little red box from sparkfun? | 19:35 |
| randallagordon | ...I have a sudden urge to quote..."These, are not your pants." | 19:36 |
| fenn | was that a seinfeld reference? | 19:37 |
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| kanzure | fenn: probably. i haven't opened either of the packages. but i'm geussing the bigger one is shoes. | 19:40 |
| kanzure | wait, didn't you already get them | 19:40 |
| kanzure | oh. pants. | 19:40 |
| kanzure | ok now i get it. carry on | 19:40 |
| kanzure | fenn will probably be sad that this page even has to exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_file_database | 19:43 |
| kanzure | haha a mysql csv storage engine | 19:45 |
| kanzure | http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/csv-storage-engine.html | 19:45 |
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| kanzure | aha! killed a 5-day bug. | 19:58 |
| kanzure | one of those one liners though :( | 19:58 |
| drazak | are you still running windows? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | no | 19:59 |
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| kanzure | very weird | 20:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.mai-dep704.ru/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1146933770/7 | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i wonder why someone bothered to add in all that text | 20:18 |
| kanzure | holy shit | 20:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/search?q=lookme875&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a | 20:19 |
| kanzure | 122,000 results for this spam bot. | 20:19 |
| fenn | i'm sorry but spam is just boring, kanzure | 20:21 |
| kanzure | so is money.. | 20:22 |
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| flamt_ | i apologize | 21:13 |
| flamt_ | for my outburst | 21:13 |
| flamt_ | before | 21:13 |
| flamt_ | ._. | 21:14 |
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| fenn | she stole your headphones http://www.flickr.com/photos/glasser/2552302771/sizes/l/ | 21:34 |
| drazak | ok | 21:51 |
| drazak | who is that chick? | 21:51 |
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| drazak | I want her so bad now | 21:51 |
| fenn | someone at langton labs ("laurel") | 21:52 |
| drazak | I'd tap that | 21:54 |
| fenn | gah http://www.flickr.com/photos/415monkey/4140441550/ | 21:55 |
| fenn | no drazak you aren't supposed to know who that is | 21:56 |
| drazak | that chick's seriously not as hot | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | she's only like 2 beers difference though | 21:58 |
| fenn | rupa's hotter imho http://www.flickr.com/photos/mkpix/1377191977/ | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | she would be if she put some effort in | 22:00 |
| fenn | effort is wasted | 22:00 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you visit them? | 22:01 |
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| QuantumG | what kind of effect would a year of 100g acceleration have on solid state hardware? | 22:02 |
| kanzure | this external hdd mum gave me is just clicking.. doesn't seem to want to tell me what's wrong with itself | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I saw one similar | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | WD no doubt | 22:04 |
| kanzure | lacie | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | ok then | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | generally I plug it in under the linux.. if there's errors in the syslog that prevent it from being detected in lsusb then I declare it dead, call the manufacturer | 22:05 |
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| QuantumG | bunch of times I've had it work just fine though.. bit of ntfsfix makes it all good again. | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i should just take out the hdd | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | yeah, that's the second step if the usb controller fails | 22:06 |
| kanzure | it's a 500GB tombstone.. no point in physically carrying that /anywhere/ | 22:07 |
| QuantumG | but if linux is seeing the usb controller but not the drive, no point | 22:07 |
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| fenn | well you can use the usb controller for something else | 22:08 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I meant from a "can you get my data back please?" perspective | 22:08 |
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| kanzure | note to mums: don't gift me with my old hard drives. | 22:19 |
| fenn | so i've actually been using OSX for the last week or so.. it really isn't all that great | 22:20 |
| kanzure | what does it do | 22:20 |
| fenn | well it doesn't really do anything special | 22:21 |
| fenn | everything's just slightly different enough to piss off non-mac people, that's all | 22:21 |
| fenn | like no alt-f4 for example | 22:21 |
| fenn | and alt-tab switches between applications and not windows, so you have to fuck around with the menu bar if you want to switch windows in an app | 22:22 |
| fenn | if i have two terminals open for example | 22:22 |
| fenn | and copying in X11 is broken | 22:22 |
| kanzure | who's mac are you using? | 22:22 |
| fenn | anyway i could whine all day, the point is that it's nothing magic.. | 22:23 |
| fenn | my brother gave me his old busted laptop | 22:23 |
| fenn | trying to install git right now | 22:24 |
| kanzure | take notes i guess | 22:24 |
| fenn | it's a powerpc and i'm not sure how good the debian support is, or i probably would have wiped the thing and put ubuntu on it by now | 22:24 |
| fenn | one or the other | 22:24 |
| kanzure | livecd check? | 22:25 |
| kanzure | never too bad to have an extra spare | 22:25 |
| fenn | a regular livecd wouldnt work anyway | 22:27 |
| fenn | also i think the drive is broken | 22:27 |
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| fenn | the new kde control panel looks exactly like the mac control panel.. i wonder who copied who | 22:31 |
| kanzure | someone at hplus summit was trying to convince me that .NET wasn't evil because mono is open source | 22:32 |
| fenn | yeah that was pretty lame | 22:34 |
| genehacker4 | obey your microsoft overlords | 22:37 |
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| fenn | i do like that "actually transparent console background" though | 22:50 |
| fenn | i.e. not totally lame like konsole | 22:50 |
| kanzure | is ext4 out yet or worth using? | 22:50 |
| fenn | i would never use a filesystem that hasn't been common for ages | 22:51 |
| kanzure | so.. fat16? | 22:51 |
| fenn | ext3 | 22:51 |
| fenn | or ext2 if it's a flash device | 22:51 |
| kanzure | sadly it is not | 22:51 |
| fenn | my experience with reiserfs wasn't great | 22:52 |
| kanzure | came and murdered your data, huh | 22:52 |
| fenn | har har | 22:52 |
| fenn | i still dont believe he did it | 22:52 |
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