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| randallagordon | well, it is calling pythonOCC's setup.py that is dying..."NameError: name 'classic' is not defined" | 00:10 |
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| randallagordon | aha...maybe...the line number for SWIG_OPTS changed | 00:16 |
| randallagordon | considering it is still doing its thing, I'm guessing that was the issue | 00:17 |
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| ybit | randallagordon: ah | 00:24 |
| ybit | you'll need to edit pythonocc/src/wrapper/envronment.py | 00:24 |
| ybit | search for -classic | 00:24 |
| randallagordon | yeah, it is building...taking its sweet time too | 00:25 |
| randallagordon | it ended up making the changes to...I think...EXTRA_LIBS...lemme check on that | 00:25 |
| ybit | line 144 should read EXTRA_LIBS = [ '-classic', '-nomodernargs', 'm', 'stc++', lib_python] | 00:25 |
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| ybit | i screwed up on editing a sed command and commited | 00:26 |
| ybit | anywho, back to bed | 00:26 |
| genehacker2 | now who the heck is attacking my box | 00:27 |
| randallagordon | I am, viciously | 00:27 |
| genehacker2 | you are? | 00:27 |
| genehacker2 | from israel? | 00:27 |
| randallagordon | lol, no | 00:27 |
| randallagordon | sorry | 00:27 |
| * randallagordon can be a smartass at times | 00:27 | |
| Phreedom | ybit: eh? | 00:48 |
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| fenn | ping from langton labs | 01:35 |
| fenn | was playing around with an openEEG rig | 01:35 |
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| fenn | supposedly i have "the most interesting brainwaves" andreas has seen | 02:41 |
| fenn | they're very symmetrical and harmonic | 02:42 |
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| fenn | heh one of the kids here has a nexus one | 02:55 |
| fenn | it looks like a phone, what can i say | 02:55 |
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| kanzure | hello Anchakor | 07:19 |
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| kanzure | technologicle1: can you see any better? | 07:45 |
| kanzure | $50 membership in the creative commons network https://creativecommons.net/h/about/ huh | 07:54 |
| kanzure | btw patri needs some help finding a CC publisher for his seasteading book | 08:00 |
| Anchakor | kanzure: hi | 08:06 |
| kanzure | how'd you find your way here? what's up? | 08:06 |
| Anchakor | someone (Utopiah I think) mentioned it in #swig when discussing semantic web and web becoming one huge AI | 08:08 |
| Anchakor | so I thought I will peep in, observe a few days and decide if it's worth to stay and log :) | 08:08 |
| Utopiah | ~history : < mikekelly> we're augmentining ourselves into a massive blog of super-genius < mikekelly> Utopiah: yeah, right but you can't re-engineer your biology with a stick < Anchakor> fun part starts with augmenting your brain :) | 08:09 |
| kanzure | yay | 08:10 |
| kanzure | only if you're serious, otherwise gtfo | 08:10 |
| Anchakor | Im never totally serious, hope you can live with that | 08:11 |
| Utopiah | (for my defense I also pointed to ##philosophy ;) | 08:11 |
| kanzure | Anchakor: it'll be devastating :) ha | 08:11 |
| kanzure | i need to get rolling. early morning meeting.. then back to work on paper and some code in there eventually | 08:11 |
| Utopiah | Anchakor: topic has a lot of info, you might to start with the (new) videos | 08:12 |
| Anchakor | yeah Im trying to figure out what hplus is now... shame http://heybryan.org seems down | 08:12 |
| Utopiah | the admin just disappeared | 08:13 |
| kanzure | uh oh | 08:17 |
| kanzure | uh i guess that's because i forgot to turn on apache | 08:18 |
| kanzure | Anchakor: try now | 08:18 |
| Anchakor | ok, its on now | 08:18 |
| Anchakor | you should have such stuff in init scripts ;) | 08:19 |
| kanzure | Anchakor: i manually turned it off yesterday | 08:19 |
| Anchakor | kanzure: you seem to have fortotten to turn on mysql too | 08:21 |
| kanzure | it doesn't actually exist on that server any more | 08:21 |
| Anchakor | I am trying to access http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Meat_on_a_stick | 08:22 |
| kanzure | yeah it's not there | 08:22 |
| kanzure | uh, i misplaced the hdd with the mysql db | 08:22 |
| Anchakor | just reading on lifeboat.com, interesting, especially the nanotech defenses - I read neal stephensons Diamond Age recently and that's how I imagine it | 08:27 |
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| kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1689465850/cubespawn-an-open-source-flexible-manufacturing | 09:08 |
| klafka | oooh cool | 09:11 |
| Utopiah | http://www.cubespawn.com/ | 09:13 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen any of those designs btw, i don't know if they exist | 09:16 |
| kanzure | how is it open source | 09:17 |
| kanzure | and why does it matter that they are cubes? | 09:18 |
| klafka | cubes are a platonic solid | 09:19 |
| klafka | so they have the platonists on their side | 09:19 |
| klafka | kanzure, to be fair they haven't actually done anything from what it looks like | 09:20 |
| klafka | except make some sketches which they released | 09:20 |
| klafka | and umm posted some useful tools | 09:20 |
| kanzure | i talked with the guy, and he was really excited | 09:21 |
| kanzure | he was trying to make an argument that standardized form factors would "do wonderful things for everyone" | 09:21 |
| kanzure | but why | 09:21 |
| klafka | form factors as in file formats or what? | 09:22 |
| kanzure | no as in "it's a cube" | 09:22 |
| klafka | oh.... | 09:22 |
| kanzure | yeah i have no idea really | 09:22 |
| kanzure | but he's excited. | 09:22 |
| klafka | he didn't make a case as to why? | 09:22 |
| kanzure | so i'll send him an email | 09:22 |
| kanzure | not really | 09:22 |
| klafka | it always gives me pause when people make big unqualified statements and then offer no justification | 09:23 |
| kanzure | well his partial argument was "look at what happened in the PC industry when form factors were standardized" | 09:24 |
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| kanzure | http://goo.gl/ | 09:31 |
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| kanzure | hey bill20r3 | 11:10 |
| kanzure | you're on xmission? hm | 11:10 |
| bill20r3 | yeah. | 11:10 |
| bill20r3 | I work there. | 11:10 |
| kanzure | ah cool. you host a lot of cool people | 11:10 |
| bill20r3 | thanks. | 11:11 |
| kanzure | and you're in #emc? hm what's going on here | 11:11 |
| bill20r3 | and #reprap.. they came as a set. | 11:12 |
| kanzure | i see | 11:12 |
| kanzure | well #reprap is less impressive of a channel imho | 11:12 |
| kanzure | anyway :) | 11:12 |
| bill20r3 | I'm working on a repstrap. | 11:12 |
| kanzure | we've been having a lot of netsplits today | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | fenn: around yet? | 11:23 |
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| kanzure__ | added a note re: installing skdb (pythonocc actually) on 64 bit machines: http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/installing_skdb | 12:52 |
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| Utopiah | The emerging case for open business methods http://blogs.zdnet.com/Hinchcliffe/?p=218 | 14:13 |
| -!- You're now known as kanzure | 14:49 | |
| kanzure | matt was so sad when he found that zotero is firefox-only | 15:30 |
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| kanzure | http://jabref.sf.net/ | 15:40 |
| kanzure | http://mendeley.org/ but they're not open source yet | 15:40 |
| ybit | he wanted it for ie8? :P | 15:42 |
| kanzure | ybit: can you pastebinit your debian/rules file for pythonocc? | 15:45 |
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| ybit | kanzure: the last one you saw is about as far as i got | 16:00 |
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| ybit | where i'm @ now is the makefile | 16:00 |
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| Utopiah | kanzure: for your brother http://www.goldcorp.com/ | 17:11 |
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| ybit | http://diybio.org/2009/12/10/bryan-bishop-reports-from-hplus-summit-2009/ | 17:45 |
| ybit | kanzure: there's no transcript because i type too slow :P | 17:45 |
| ybit | you walked away from some talk and my immediate reaction was, oh noes, someone needs to type... i tried and failed | 17:45 |
| ybit | if someone really wants a transcript though, the vids will be on vimeo? | 17:46 |
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| kanzure | ybit: the videos are on justin.tv | 18:24 |
| kanzure | for some definition of "are on" | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | does anyone want to join me on a conference call at 11am EST or 1pm EST on friday on skype? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | hi EmbraceUnity | 18:33 |
| EmbraceUnity | hi | 18:33 |
| EmbraceUnity | you should go on to The Foresight Network and get a load of this crap | 18:34 |
| EmbraceUnity | on your profile it asks you | 18:34 |
| kanzure | what does it ask you? | 18:34 |
| EmbraceUnity | I am a professional in these methods: Private scenarios, citizen panels, forecasting, stakeholder analysis, brainstorming, morphological analysis, essays, relevance tree, issue management, STEEP, SWOT, wild cards, balanced scorecards , creative thinking , cross-impact analysis | 18:35 |
| kanzure | hahah | 18:36 |
| kanzure | epic fail | 18:36 |
| EmbraceUnity | roadmapping , fishbone , backcasting , process flow , environmental scanning ,trend extrapolation , cla , issue watch , expert panels, delphi methods, trend analysis, visioning, strategic planning , change management , workshops , conferences | 18:36 |
| kanzure | video on the reprap michigan group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_an5Dh80yk | 18:36 |
| EmbraceUnity | i think if anyone told me they were an expert in morphological analysis i would punch them in the face | 18:36 |
| EmbraceUnity | see if they can morph it back into shape | 18:37 |
| EmbraceUnity | yay buttons | 18:38 |
| EmbraceUnity | buttons for the people! | 18:38 |
| EmbraceUnity | on the hydraraptor blog, chris claimed they've solved the problem of the little residual strands by allowing the flow on the extruder to be reverse programmatically | 18:40 |
| EmbraceUnity | i think their code works for all objects, but I'm not sure | 18:41 |
| ybit | kanzure: for what? | 18:54 |
| kanzure | what are you asking | 18:55 |
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| QuantumG | so how many repraps are out there? | 19:02 |
| QuantumG | is there a register? | 19:03 |
| QuantumG | kinda seems like there's exactly 1 version 2 machine out there :) | 19:03 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: no register, but there's been 300 makerbot purchases at least (@ $700/ea) | 19:08 |
| kanzure | so i'd guestimate 500 to 1k at the moment.. but this guestimate is going to get really skewed the more reprap can print its own parts | 19:08 |
| kanzure | my guestimate is greater than 300 because makerbot!=reprap | 19:08 |
| QuantumG | yeah, is makerbot the v2 I'm thinking of? moves the stage instead of the head? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | no i think adrian bowyers has a "v2" in a lot of pics. the second reprap photo in fenn's part of the youtube videos for instance | 19:11 |
| kanzure | er.. right? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | genehacker is more in tune to this than i am | 19:11 |
| kanzure | (which is saying a lot) | 19:11 |
| QuantumG | haha | 19:12 |
| kanzure | russell hanson and rehmi post want to talk on skype on friday with me | 19:26 |
| kanzure | http://web.media.mit.edu/~rehmi/bio.html | 19:26 |
| kanzure | rhemi apparently works at the media lab | 19:26 |
| kanzure | russell and i go way back (summer 2007? summer 2008?) but i don't remember why | 19:26 |
| kanzure | http://hansonr.org/ oh that's right | 19:28 |
| kanzure | http://www.russellhanson.com/web/HansonMITSynthBio2.pptx.pdf | 19:29 |
| kanzure | "August 26, 2009 MIT Synthetic Biology - Designing and encoding models for synthetic biology [pdf]" | 19:29 |
| kanzure | he was doing http://scicolab.com/ but i don't remember why | 19:30 |
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| russell232 | hi | 19:46 |
| kanzure | hi there | 19:47 |
| kanzure | bbl- jason is over | 19:47 |
| ybit | 18:54 < ybit> kanzure: for what? | 20:18 |
| ybit | 18:55 < kanzure> what are you asking | 20:18 |
| ybit | that was re: 18:29 < kanzure> does anyone want to join me on a conference call at 11am EST or 1pm EST on friday on skype? | 20:19 |
| ybit | 18:36 < EmbraceUnity> i think if anyone told me they were an expert in morphological analysis i would punch them in the face | 20:20 |
| ybit | EmbraceUnity: i'm going to hold you to that and record it | 20:20 |
| ybit | it would be kind of funny to have subtitles: EmbraceUnity just punched ___. | 20:21 |
| ybit | hi russell232 | 20:22 |
| kanzure | http://www.gigapan.org/gigapans/28129/ metabolic pathways | 20:29 |
| ybit | i recognize that from anselm's talk | 20:36 |
| * ybit still wants slides | 20:36 | |
| ybit | and videos | 20:36 |
| ybit | how hard is it to get videos uploaded to a site? what am i missing here? | 20:36 |
| * ybit stfu | 20:37 | |
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| russell232 | hi ybit | 20:42 |
| ybit | hi russell232 | 20:44 |
| russell232 | hi ybit | 20:47 |
| russell232 | eheh | 20:47 |
| russell232 | so | 20:47 |
| ybit | :) | 20:49 |
| ybit | i was just lookingat your site | 20:49 |
| ybit | is it outdated? | 20:50 |
| ybit | i.e. are you still interested in algorithmic trading? | 20:50 |
| ybit | what are your thoughts on h+, post-scarcity, and free, open source hardware and manufacturing? | 20:51 |
| ybit | kanzure, russell232: what's the web conf about friday? | 20:55 |
| MrClif | hey Ybit, can you point me at the first paper you reference in your SEM/FIB posting? | 21:08 |
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| ybit | yeah MrClif, they're on my server... | 21:25 |
| ybit | one, sec, i'll switch comps and start it up | 21:25 |
| MrClif | Cool, thanks | 21:27 |
| MrClif | Hi ybit, did your server come up? | 21:56 |
| kanzure | MrClif: looks like it http://ybit.ath.cx/ | 21:59 |
| MrClif | cool | 21:59 |
| MrClif | now i wonder where that paper is?? | 22:00 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/unsorted_papers/Design%20and%20fabrication%20of%20a%20scanning%20electron%20microscope%20using%20a%20finite%20element%20analysis%20for%20electron%20optical%20system.pdf | 22:01 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/unsorted_papers/Electron%20Gun%20Using%20a%20Field%20Emission%20Source.pdf | 22:01 |
| MrClif | Ah thanks I didn't find it the first time i looked. :-) | 22:01 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/unsorted_papers/Titanium%20nitride%20coated%20tungsten%20cold%20field%20emission%20sources.pdf | 22:01 |
| ybit | np, if you sort the papers by date and look around oct 21, you may find more of interest | 22:02 |
| MrClif | ok cool.. | 22:03 |
| ybit | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/?C=M;O=D | 22:12 |
| ybit | aha, they are all there. | 22:12 |
| ybit | might be quicker to download from | 22:12 |
| MrClif | would I have to download them all to get the timestamps? | 22:13 |
| ybit | no | 22:13 |
| ybit | sometimes i grab papers without copying them over to adl and its this inconsistancy which is why a nice mirroring system needs to be put in place soon | 22:14 |
| ybit | speaking of, this comp is going down in an hour so i can put in the 1tb hdd | 22:14 |
| MrClif | hmmm while I have lots of BW and space on my servers I have more constaints in what I put on them. | 22:15 |
| ybit | that's fine | 22:15 |
| MrClif | maybe we can find something i can host for the group even if its not papers and books. ;-) | 22:16 |
| ybit | i've rached the download limit after 2 downloads on rapidshare -_- | 22:16 |
| MrClif | Oh BTW the internet archive has a *Huge* book scanning project going on. | 22:16 |
| ybit | MrClif: websites | 22:17 |
| ybit | i had mentioned that it might be nice to have a archives of relevant web pages | 22:17 |
| ybit | s/a/an | 22:17 |
| MrClif | s/a/an? | 22:18 |
| ybit | it's a vim command which means to substitute 'a' with 'an' | 22:19 |
| ybit | often used on irc if you have a typo in the previous sentence | 22:19 |
| ybit | it's quite annoying too | 22:19 |
| MrClif | got it. | 22:19 |
| ybit | don't ask me why i'm downloading Internal Family Systems Therapy | 22:20 |
| ybit | and Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In | 22:20 |
| MrClif | so what is the incantation to get the index sorted by date? | 22:20 |
| ybit | it was mentioned in steve omohundro's talk at the h+ summit | 22:20 |
| ybit | http://steveomohundro.com/ | 22:20 |
| MrClif | ok.... :-) | 22:21 |
| ybit | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/?C=M;O=D | 22:21 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/unsorted_papers/?C=M;O=D | 22:21 |
| ybit | you can also just click on 'last modified' | 22:21 |
| MrClif | did't see that off to the right of my window.. ;-) | 22:22 |
| ybit | you, my friend, need what fenn is working on | 22:23 |
| MrClif | a window compressor? | 22:23 |
| ybit | a 360 degree display via a wearable display | 22:23 |
| ybit | http://rapidshare.com/files/252063883/E-Book.part3.rar | 22:24 |
| ybit | http://rapidshare.com/files/252066727/E-Book.part4.rar | 22:24 |
| ybit | someone mind fetching those links for me and sending the my way? | 22:24 |
| * ybit wants to go the lazy way instead of firing up tor | 22:25 | |
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| MrClif | Ok I'm getting part3 now. | 22:33 |
| MrClif | but I used up my limit also. Here it is: http://www.eugeneweb.com/~clif/E-Book.part3.rar | 22:37 |
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| kanzure | hm let's get jason to do a video like this: http://creativecommons.org/videos/sciencecommons | 23:22 |
| kanzure | for open manufacturing. maybe with the clips i collected a few years ago? | 23:22 |
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| ybit | grr, i can't find my power connector for the sata drive | 23:56 |
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| ybit | fenn: i didn't send it your way did i? | 23:56 |
| ybit | ..or did i... | 23:56 |
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