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| kanzure | hey russell987 | 00:05 |
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| fenn | omg skeinforge's gui is so annoying | 01:07 |
| russell987 | hey kanzure | 01:18 |
| russell987 | what does kanzure mean anyway?? japanese? | 01:18 |
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| technologiclee | can anyone post the reference to the guy at Mit doing the work with tiny muscles - it was on here a few hours back... | 04:03 |
| technologiclee | or - is this chat logged somewhere i can look it up myself? | 04:03 |
| QuantumG | (Jim Taylor-Farnes at MIT/Media Lab | 04:04 |
| QuantumG | is all that was offered | 04:04 |
| technologiclee | perfect - thanks | 04:14 |
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| technologiclee | hmm no google hits for : "Jim Farnes" MIT Media Lab much less adding 'muscle' | 04:18 |
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| katsmeow-afk | technologiclee : http://www.google.com/search?q=MIT+%22Media+Lab%22++printing+micromuscle | 07:04 |
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| katsmeow-afk | Results 1 - 8 of 8 for MIT "Media Lab" printing micromuscle. | 07:04 |
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| fenn | this is andreas, who showed me my EEG: http://www.meta-mind.de/ | 09:02 |
| fenn | oh btw did i mention todd huffman was staying @ langton labs too? thought that was a funny coincidence | 09:04 |
| Utopiah | nice project, wonder if it's as effective as swimming or running twice a week though :-# | 09:06 |
| fenn | swimming doesn't provide a window into your/someone else's thoughts | 09:08 |
| Utopiah | Im not sure I would consider brainwaves thoughts though | 09:08 |
| fenn | well, it's really cool to see it from both sides | 09:09 |
| fenn | i mean have your brainwaves scanned, you can really see your thoughts up there on the screen | 09:09 |
| Utopiah | it's more like heat or noise from electricity line, you can hear the waste but you can not deduce the usage from it | 09:09 |
| Utopiah | (Im still all for openeeg openvibe and such projects) | 09:09 |
| fenn | sure it's more like the little cpu monitor taskbar widget | 09:10 |
| Utopiah | right | 09:12 |
| Utopiah | to me, the problem with most of those experiences is the difficulty to compare with placebo or very simple alternative (like sport as I was mentionning before) | 09:13 |
| Utopiah | because ok it could bring positive results but if I can get the same effect from walking 10min a day, why should I bother building such a complex system (beside learning I mean) | 09:14 |
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| kanzure | http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/12/lets-download-some-hardware.html | 10:30 |
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| kanzure | hey russell232 | 11:04 |
| kanzure | http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ you might like this. | 11:05 |
| kanzure | has anyone been following john smart? http://accelerationwatch.com/ | 11:07 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to find his email address. he gave a good paper reference in his recent talk in california concerning the hypothalamus or hippocampus | 11:08 |
| kanzure | http://accelerationwatch.com/selforg_selfrep.html | 11:13 |
| Utopiah | looks huge :/ | 11:18 |
| kanzure | http://evodevouniverse.com/wiki/Main_Page | 11:18 |
| kanzure | his name has popped up a few times before in the past.. but i just ignored it | 11:19 |
| kanzure | i liked his "digital twin" idea | 11:19 |
| Utopiah | evodevo sounded like a nice ninitiave 2 years ago but not a lot seems to have sprung from it since | 11:19 |
| kanzure | yeah wasn't it a buzzword for a while? | 11:20 |
| Utopiah | lifelogging section http://www.metaverseroadmap.org/overview/02.html#LL | 11:21 |
| kanzure | he also linked to an interesting site he's been working on that tracks different accelerating trends | 11:22 |
| Utopiah | ? http://www.metaverseroadmap.org/overview/img/multi-2.gif | 11:22 |
| kanzure | finding.. http://pcdb.santafe.edu/ | 11:22 |
| kanzure | the site sucks but there's only two people working on it | 11:23 |
| kanzure | "performance curve database" | 11:23 |
| kanzure | hooking that up to http://theuncertainfuture.com/ would be fun | 11:23 |
| kanzure | i wish i would have been able to convince anna that doing theuncertainfuture.com in java was a bad idea.. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | originally we were going to do it in svg/javascript | 11:24 |
| Utopiah | makes me wonder, is there a "store and share" function? | 11:27 |
| Utopiah | could be interesting to generate a community debate around it. | 11:27 |
| kanzure | yeah that was the original plan | 11:28 |
| kanzure | and then this java developer got involved | 11:28 |
| Utopiah | (nice SantaFe website, isn't it part of the LANL complexity lab?) | 11:29 |
| Utopiah | could be nice with an RSS on new datasets too | 11:30 |
| kanzure | i want to map performance curves from that "database" to theuncertainfuture.com as a mashup | 11:31 |
| kanzure | and then let simple relations into the system.. i.e. "price per FLOP positively correlates to how much computation you can buy cheaply" or something | 11:32 |
| Utopiah | (guess http://page2rss.com/rss/3458cd41da7cba73a5479f53bef52c4d should do the trick) | 11:32 |
| Utopiah | that website makesme think of "if someone else has an exponential going already, you can hop on it for free" http://fora.tv/2009/05/30/Rodney_Brooks_Remaking_Manufacturing_With_Robotics | 11:36 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:37 |
| kanzure | although you usually have to hop on it before it goes exponential | 11:37 |
| kanzure | you want to find the "exponential funnels" or slides | 11:37 |
| Utopiah | care to develop a bit please? | 11:38 |
| kanzure | suppose a virus hops into a host at cycle 1 of replication. | 11:39 |
| kanzure | if you hop on the host at cycle 20, you're not going to get as wide-spread proliferation because there's already 20 cycles that have existed | 11:39 |
| Utopiah | maybe it's just increasingly costly to hop on it | 11:39 |
| kanzure | it would have to keep on replicating for another 9+ cycles to get 2^9 diffusion- at 20 cycles, the exponential is already wide-spread and exhausting resources | 11:39 |
| kanzure | (because each doubling takes increasingly more resources) | 11:40 |
| kanzure | hopping on board an exponential is only valuable if you go for 8+ iterations of the | 11:40 |
| kanzure | brb door | 11:40 |
| Utopiah | thermoeconomics of exponential riding ;) | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | back | 13:10 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: my point was that exponentials are inherently unstable, and if they're at the end of their life, hopping on board will only propel you through a few more replication cycles | 13:41 |
| kanzure | unless you have lateral transferance through the branches of the exponential | 13:41 |
| kanzure | by that i mean, unless there's a node-to-node communication deal going on, the end of life of a huge exponential may get you the same thing as a "viral link" that dies out at 8k hits | 13:42 |
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| kanzure | hey jason | 13:44 |
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| ybit | kanzure: what's the web conference about today? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | tomorrow? russell just wanted to catch up and talk about skdb | 15:37 |
| ybit | oh | 15:37 |
| ybit | feel free to include me if ya want | 15:37 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: do you have experience with mssql> | 15:38 |
| ybit | mssql? * | 15:38 |
| ybit | bah, i'll just install it and answer my question | 15:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.thereisnopagefold.com/ | 15:45 |
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| kanzure | http://fivesecondtest.com/test/0J3hTJJ9 | 16:32 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ybit, nope, sorry | 17:00 |
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| kanzure | hi fenn | 17:56 |
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| Redeemer | Gah, computer too slow.. | 18:46 |
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| wrldpc2 | Kanzure do you have a link to your response to the naysayer going on about how we all "forgot the 80s?" | 18:54 |
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| kanzure | wrldpc2: nobody replied to james' comment. i figure it's best it stays that way. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | i think he was complaining about pre-80s | 19:02 |
| wrldpc2 | hear hear | 19:02 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 19:02 |
| Redeemer | I think I've found a good way to get myself used to linux. My dead computer. get a new HDD and get myself a ubuntu disc. | 19:04 |
| Redeemer | That way I don't accidentally shaft my computing abilities in any way | 19:05 |
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| kanzure | hello darkcontrast :) | 19:29 |
| kanzure | darkcontrast: related to HP? what? | 19:29 |
| darkcontrast | hey there.. taking a look at the topic links now.. | 19:29 |
| MrClif | /who freenode/staff/* | 19:30 |
| kanzure | hope you like | 19:30 |
| kanzure | haha MrClif snooping around? | 19:30 |
| MrClif | hi! | 19:30 |
| kanzure | hello | 19:30 |
| MrClif | I'm *shipiesh grin* trying to revover my password. | 19:30 |
| darkcontrast | martin sent an email to the google group saying you guys hung out here, but i read than chan name as HPlusroadmap.. something to do with HP corp | 19:30 |
| kanzure | no no not at all | 19:31 |
| kanzure | no, we're more related to transhumanism- about do-it-yourself open source tech | 19:31 |
| MrClif | this is my first use of IRC. | 19:31 |
| kanzure | MrClif: i think there's a #freenode with friendly peeps | 19:32 |
| MrClif | ah... thanks | 19:32 |
| kanzure | (because i don't know how to help you) | 19:32 |
| darkcontrast | ah, h+, i get it :) | 19:32 |
| kanzure | santafe dude just replied to me: "I'm confused. I think curves are either exponential or not. They do not suddenly "go exponential", or do they?" | 19:36 |
| kanzure | hm | 19:37 |
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| katsmeow-afk | try as i might, i cannot picture a circle with a hyperbolic curve | 19:53 |
| genehacker2 | it could be some weird function | 19:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | draw me a picture? | 19:57 |
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| fenn | yay i have a netbook | 20:17 |
| Redeemer | Nice | 20:18 |
| Redeemer | Once I can afford one I'm going to try and get a nice laptop. | 20:18 |
| Redeemer | Sadly, I do not think that will be happening this month. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | now you have no excuse but to contribute! bwahah | 20:26 |
| technologiclee | katsmeow-afk: thanks, but i do not think those 8 links actually went to the details of micromuscles - not that i actually need it at the moment - just getting some people some info | 20:42 |
| kanzure | hi lee | 20:43 |
| technologiclee | howdy - inbox empty and a screen full of tabs - now what to do with it all? | 20:52 |
| fenn | fucking cross posting argh | 20:53 |
| technologiclee | since google and such services are so interested in knowing what we have read - it seems that there should be some software that would detect a cross post and mark it as such or just delete it - it's only string matching | 20:55 |
| technologiclee | fenn: what kind of netbook did you get - specs? OS? | 20:55 |
| technologiclee | i like eeebuntu on an eeePC | 20:56 |
| fenn | eee 1005hab | 20:59 |
| fenn | some ubuntu distro | 20:59 |
| fenn | i am going to boxshop | 21:00 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: http://opera.com/ set it up to look like this: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-12_uhh.png | 21:00 |
| fenn | http://boxshopsf.org | 21:00 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-01-15-tabs.png | 21:01 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-01-21_coincidences.png | 21:01 |
| kanzure | etc. | 21:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: you're not paying membership fees to go to these places, are you? | 21:02 |
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| technologiclee | ok thanks - opera was not in the repository - so i was holding what i've got - but this just isn't cutting it anymore | 21:07 |
| fenn | kanzure: heh no | 21:12 |
| fenn | i am worrying about the $2 bus fare | 21:13 |
| fenn | i think tim anderson of instructables will be there | 21:15 |
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| kanzure | "Google In Discussions To Acquire Yelp For A Half Billion Dollars Or More" | 22:03 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:03 |
| kanzure | anyway, i uploaded an iron man 2 trailer | 22:04 |
| kanzure | http://bit.ly/6e4RIF | 22:04 |
| kanzure | and before i even watched it, it got 20+ views from random youtube searchers | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | sound is crazy low | 22:04 |
| kanzure | hrm | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | actually it's not that bad | 22:05 |
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| QuantumG | what can I say, the first 10 seconds are better than the rest | 22:34 |
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