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| kanzure | hey davemenn1nger | 00:09 |
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| kanzure | are you from the ohio reprap group? | 00:10 |
| davemenn1nger | yeah | 00:37 |
| davemenn1nger | i'm interested in fab labs etc - we have some cnc projects in the works at the hive13 hackerspace in cincinnati | 00:43 |
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| technologiclee | davemenn1nger: i would like to know more. what kind of cnc projects? | 01:25 |
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| technologiclee | randallagordon: whats new? | 02:47 |
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| fenn | so i had lots of cake and some mulled wine and explained skdb to tim anderson and liam+mara of shipyard | 06:25 |
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| fenn | and we burned stuff | 06:27 |
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| kanzure | "I describe in terms off a dialog, imagining a magic mirror. (It is a wall-mounted flat panel with a face displayed.) The user is prompted to completed the phrase "I want a...." The response may also be "I want to...."" | 07:22 |
| kanzure | "Consequence, if you say "I want an apple." You get directions to the nearest store with apples, you get directions how to print a hydroponic station, whatever way you get an apple." | 07:22 |
| kanzure | kristian chickey sent me a message suggesting that i'm missing an opportunity with skdb | 07:23 |
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| fenn | sounds like some lame art installation | 07:32 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/my-name-email-results.png | 07:43 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/one-time-offer-results.png | 07:43 |
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| fenn | also saw http://orbswarm.com/ which apparently is open source hardware | 07:46 |
| kanzure | what did tim think? | 07:46 |
| fenn | i dont remember :( | 07:46 |
| fenn | he seemed to understand what i was saying though | 07:47 |
| kanzure | did you tell him "YOU SHOULD BE DOING THIS" or something to knock sense into him | 07:47 |
| fenn | not really | 07:47 |
| fenn | more like "here's the instructables-killer idea i'm working on" | 07:48 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 07:48 |
| fenn | i actually said that | 07:48 |
| Utopiah | (btw regarding SKDB website and visualization, http://processingjs.org/ seems very very nice) | 07:48 |
| kanzure | processing came out of the media lab? | 07:48 |
| kanzure | new rule: 90% of everything is from the media lab | 07:49 |
| fenn | i met some guys from the media lab | 07:49 |
| fenn | guh. too many names | 07:49 |
| kanzure | story time | 07:49 |
| fenn | anyway one of them was working at makani power | 07:49 |
| fenn | i asked 'do you guys have anything yet' and tim thought it was funny | 07:49 |
| kanzure | hm? why was it funny? | 07:50 |
| fenn | because i was so blunt about it | 07:50 |
| fenn | apparently they do have something working but it's like a secret or maybe they just dont care about their website or something | 07:50 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: yep, think so, but so far I only saw the Java version and then the pyprocessing version but... having a js version is pretty neat, no loading time, can manipulate JSON easilly, etc... (but... need canvas) | 07:51 |
| fenn | he seemed more interested in talking about how his car's transmission broke and his girlfriend left him etc | 07:51 |
| kanzure | lame | 07:51 |
| kanzure | so what else? | 07:52 |
| fenn | um, three different birthday cakes> | 07:52 |
| fenn | a giant flame bird with whirling flame heart orb | 07:52 |
| fenn | it wasn't flaming though which was sort of a disappointment | 07:52 |
| kanzure | are you tripping? | 07:52 |
| fenn | no | 07:52 |
| fenn | i dont know whether to bring a camera and try to document stuff and get it wrong the second time around | 07:53 |
| fenn | ideally i'd just record whatever i see | 07:53 |
| fenn | like the guy with flaming crutches, someone kept trying to take a picture and it wasn't working | 07:53 |
| fenn | uh, boxshop is where the flaming lotus girls are headquartered, if that clears things up | 07:54 |
| fenn | they have a big welding shop with lots of giant flame sculptures for burning man | 07:54 |
| fenn | there are like 50 shipping containers stacked up with either workshops or living spaces in them | 07:55 |
| kanzure | huh | 07:55 |
| kanzure | that's worth a picture | 07:55 |
| fenn | one of the guys i talked to was a professional diver, he does welding and inspection 60 feet underwater, i put on his dive helmet (super heavy) | 07:55 |
| fenn | the pictures on the website show the shipping containers ok | 07:56 |
| fenn | oh tthey have the orb robot on there too | 07:56 |
| fenn | hm ok actually the website pictures suck | 07:57 |
| fenn | http://boxshopsf.org/files/containers%20fisheye.jpg | 07:59 |
| fenn | this stupid netbook has a single piece of plastic for both mouse buttons so pasting is really hard | 07:59 |
| Utopiah | shift+insert? | 07:59 |
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| fenn | shift insert never seems to do quite the same thing as middle click | 07:59 |
| fenn | it's very confusing | 08:00 |
| fenn | hadine the birthday girl was probably the cutest 45 year old i've ever met | 08:01 |
| fenn | nothing a camera would capture anyway | 08:02 |
| technologiclee1 | i got skype going - how does one join the teleconference? | 08:03 |
| fenn | more containers http://boxshopsf.org/files/michelle197865804_6c5daadf5d_o.jpg | 08:04 |
| technologiclee1 | nice junk - reminds me of the ranch | 08:05 |
| fenn | there was this 8mm film of eye surgery playing the whole time too, which i decided not to watch | 08:06 |
| technologiclee1 | they are right on the water - thay could do all kinds of interesting things | 08:06 |
| fenn | i think there is a park between their little compound and the shore | 08:07 |
| fenn | yesterday at noisebridge the guy who runs tinkerhack.com talked at me for like 5 hours about lasers and high vacuum and led self-excitation and lots of "JUICE" eight oh EIGHT and TEN-sixty-four | 08:09 |
| fenn | so that's how i learned how green laser pointers work | 08:09 |
| fenn | (that's only funny if you hear michael talk) | 08:10 |
| fenn | he has quite an impressive photo collection, something like 200k photos, and proud of them all being labeled | 08:10 |
| fenn | http://www.tinkerhack.com/photos/index.html | 08:11 |
| fenn | this was neat, he built an electron beam sputtering setup for coating dichroic mirrors (something to do with power beam splitters for holography) http://www.tinkerhack.com/photos/lowres/Projects%20and%20Expriments/Optical%20coater/all.html | 08:12 |
| fenn | the wheel with six holes in it is a water cooled copper crucible that holds the quartz/rutile powder.. the e-beam goes up and over the claw thingy which is an electromagnet | 08:13 |
| kanzure | technologiclee1: doesn't look like it's going to happen, rehmi backed out yesterday :( | 08:19 |
| technologiclee1 | for was the Les shop? | 08:19 |
| kanzure | no it was for russell hanson and rehmi just re: skdb in general | 08:19 |
| kanzure | rehmi is from the media lab | 08:19 |
| kanzure | and russell hanson and i need to catch up in general | 08:20 |
| fenn | " Moldover's CD packaging itself IS a new musical instrument! The CD is mounted on a custom designed circuit board, intricately patterned and powering a "light-Theremin"." | 08:20 |
| fenn | who is rehmi? an austin fablab wannabe like the rest of us? | 08:20 |
| technologiclee1 | are you saying skdb is not going to happen? | 08:21 |
| kanzure | technologiclee1: huh? no i'm saying the conference call isn't going to happen | 08:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: no | 08:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://web.media.mit.edu/~rehmi/ | 08:21 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure he lives in boston near russell | 08:21 |
| kanzure | russell just wanted to introduce rehmi to me | 08:21 |
| kanzure | that's all.. skdb still exists | 08:21 |
| fenn | ugh these people and their fabric electronics crap | 08:21 |
| fenn | don't they know electronics is supposed to go in black plastic clamshells | 08:22 |
| technologiclee1 | ohhhhh - ok i was like what -- no one is holding up anything ! | 08:22 |
| kanzure | http://web.media.mit.edu/~rehmi/pengachu/v3_document.htm "project pingachu - cheap wireless for everyone" | 08:22 |
| kanzure | haha pingachu | 08:22 |
| kanzure | pengachu | 08:22 |
| fenn | mems accelerometers are cool though | 08:23 |
| technologiclee1 | cool i'm rady for a different call then - and all ugraded and everything - i just use opportunities as..... incentive | 08:23 |
| technologiclee1 | well reschedule if you can - or whatever it takes to make and keep the contact | 08:24 |
| kanzure | yep, will do | 08:25 |
| fenn | how does russell know rehmi? | 08:25 |
| fenn | oh he lives in boston nm | 08:25 |
| kanzure | russell has his fingers in a lot of pies i think | 08:25 |
| kanzure | but he doesn't act like it | 08:25 |
| kanzure | graduate school does that to you i guess? | 08:26 |
| fenn | rofl | 08:26 |
| fenn | "Our Little Skunkworks | 08:26 |
| fenn | (or how to do this without Neil knowing)" | 08:26 |
| kanzure | the guy with a lathe in the back of his car at h+ summit said that neil is an ass | 08:27 |
| kanzure | "you have to watch out, or he'll gersh up your paper" | 08:27 |
| fenn | meaning what exactly? | 08:27 |
| kanzure | "he thinks he is the best thing to happen since god created the earth" | 08:27 |
| kanzure | takes copious amount of credit, etc. | 08:28 |
| kanzure | *amounts | 08:28 |
| fenn | that comes with the job | 08:28 |
| fenn | your hard-on for hod lipson is misdirected | 08:28 |
| kanzure | dunno. was funny though. "before he gershes up your paper" | 08:28 |
| kanzure | so now i say "matt is campbellizing my ideas" | 08:28 |
| fenn | that's a different phenomenon | 08:29 |
| kanzure | no kidding :/ | 08:29 |
| fenn | reality-distortion field | 08:29 |
| fenn | well pengachu is pretty cool too | 08:29 |
| fenn | i wonder if exists or is vaporware | 08:30 |
| fenn | i guess it exists | 08:31 |
| fenn | "show me the cad files" is like my new mantra | 08:31 |
| kanzure | does anyone ever show you the files? | 08:31 |
| technologiclee1 | did you catch the 'transbody transmission of power and info' paper off that guys parper list? http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6211799.PN.&OS=PN/6211799&RS=PN/6211799 | 08:32 |
| kanzure | babak? sounds familiar | 08:32 |
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| technologiclee1 | rehmi | 08:33 |
| kanzure | no it lists in the "inventors" some guy named babak | 08:33 |
| fenn | kanzure: no usually they get all offended when i ask to see their so-called open source code | 08:34 |
| fenn | or simply don't write back at all | 08:34 |
| fenn | fuck even my aunt sort of brushed it off | 08:34 |
| fenn | couldnt find the source for "flowerpower" | 08:35 |
| technologiclee1 | yes, rehmi is also listed | 08:35 |
| kanzure | it's too bad we can't punish individual developers for lying about their "open source" projects | 08:35 |
| kanzure | "dave rauchwerk owes me one open source bicycle design" | 08:36 |
| kanzure | actually any design at this point | 08:36 |
| technologiclee1 | fenn: what is the electron beam source for that mirror coater? | 08:39 |
| fenn | guh.. one of those bits of gunky metal | 08:39 |
| technologiclee1 | i see that , is it like an electron gun from a CRT? | 08:40 |
| fenn | it's not in the photo labeled 'e beam source' - that's for cleaning the glass before coating | 08:40 |
| technologiclee1 | ok thanks - that explains it | 08:41 |
| fenn | oh i'm looking at it wrong.. the titles are above the thumbnails | 08:41 |
| technologiclee1 | ohhh | 08:41 |
| technologiclee1 | that dosn't look like one either... | 08:42 |
| fenn | in the very last picture it is probably that gold cylinder with the yellow cap | 08:42 |
| technologiclee1 | who knows - anything can be made into a cathode / anode | 08:42 |
| fenn | right | 08:43 |
| fenn | supposedly that was a 1kW e-beam | 08:43 |
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| technologiclee1 | sure - the t.v.s i've opened have trandformers for that much and more | 08:44 |
| fenn | what kind of tv? | 08:44 |
| fenn | 1kw is like a toaster | 08:44 |
| technologiclee1 | all kinds i've opened many to get at the electron gun | 08:44 |
| technologiclee1 | i've openud up unity from several decades | 08:45 |
| fenn | eh well i ought to go to bed | 08:45 |
| technologiclee1 | my google alert for diamond synthesis turned up an expired patetent for Carbon Vapor Deposition | 08:46 |
| technologiclee1 | alot of basic tech is going into the public domain now | 08:46 |
| fenn | i'd love to see your captcha breaker figure out this email addy http://www.tinkerhack.com/male.htm | 08:47 |
| technologiclee1 | you know - we have trains running thu austi - shipiing containers can be had fairly cheap | 08:47 |
| kanzure | hrm | 08:47 |
| fenn | shipping containers are like $2k | 08:48 |
| fenn | and then you have to ship them | 08:48 |
| kanzure | trey says he can get us a semi-truck for <$5k | 08:48 |
| fenn | i think it only makes sense if you are right on a port, like bay-area is | 08:48 |
| fenn | LA is also a port city tho | 08:48 |
| technologiclee1 | i already have trouble w/ captchas - and i'm supposed to be human | 08:48 |
| kanzure | i'm working on a captcha breaker | 08:48 |
| technologiclee1 | i've seen them for $500 w/ teak floors | 08:49 |
| kanzure | at the moment it is wired up to http://decaptcher.com/ | 08:49 |
| fenn | you can see the dock cranes from boxshop | 08:49 |
| Utopiah | technologiclee1: you can have people fill them for you (not free though) | 08:49 |
| technologiclee1 | if you know a trucker.... | 08:49 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: that's what i do :) | 08:49 |
| technologiclee1 | Utopiah: fill them with what - just goods? | 08:50 |
| technologiclee1 | i've worked on the docs - i uloaded containers for 2.5 days solid once | 08:50 |
| kanzure | utopiah is talking about captchas i think | 08:51 |
| kanzure | you can have people fill in the captchas for you | 08:51 |
| technologiclee1 | heck i couldn't get someone to urinate on me if i was on fire - | 08:52 |
| Utopiah | technologiclee1: (I think most of those links were shared here before) http://pixprofit.com/ http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-08/Grossman/bh-usa-08-grossman-evans-getrich.pdf http://captchaking.com/ https://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/Data-Entry/capcha-night.html http://www.lafdc.com/captcha/ (and the classic https://www.mturk.com/ ) | 08:52 |
| fenn | you can pay an indian to urinate on another indian for $0.01/hr | 08:52 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: are those cheaper than http://decaptcher.com/ ? | 08:53 |
| technologiclee1 | anyway - one would still need a place to put any structure - and then all the utilities | 08:53 |
| kanzure | haha craigslist captcha entering service | 08:53 |
| fenn | i dont know if they offer fire putter outing services | 08:53 |
| kanzure | 1k for $39/mo? wtf | 08:53 |
| kanzure | that's so extremely high | 08:53 |
| kanzure | holy shit i should just hook that up to decaptcher and make a fortune | 08:53 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: I didn't really use them, I just keep them as an example of new business model based on human/robot distinction | 08:53 |
| kanzure | how do i become someone to enter captchas for captchaking.com ? | 08:53 |
| fenn | 1) fly to malaysia 2) have a plastic surgeon transform you in to a 12 year old girl 3) get abducted by human traffickers 4) ??? 5) PROFIT! | 08:54 |
| technologiclee1 | cptchas suck - if i have to solve something i want to learn somthing from it like a vocabulary word | 08:54 |
| Utopiah | (plus also http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2009/04/socially-adjusted-captchas.html ) | 08:55 |
| technologiclee1 | ya i've seen thats what they call micro work now | 08:55 |
| fenn | ok bedtime for realz | 08:56 |
| Utopiah | technologiclee1: like AWS Turk, have other platforms? maybe crowdsourcing ones? | 08:56 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: i was thinking of using turk for entering in datasheets and getting out "well-formatted" data | 08:56 |
| kanzure | $1/pg of a data sheet. what do you think? will the turkers do it? | 08:57 |
| Utopiah | AFAIK as it costs you 0 to post the tasks so you can "check the temperature" freely | 08:57 |
| Utopiah | also consider (link coming) | 08:57 |
| technologiclee1 | heres a search - i do not think you would bother after doing 1K tho http://www.google.com/search?q=micro+work+captch | 08:58 |
| kanzure | oh they cost 0 to post? didn't know | 08:58 |
| technologiclee1 | but this means that these people have access to the net.... so how do they get started | 08:59 |
| Utopiah | How to run experiments on Mechanical Turk The technical details, tutorials, walk-throughs, Decision Science News December 2009 http://www.decisionsciencenews.com/?p=1206 | 08:59 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: i have been playing with fivesecondtest.com today | 08:59 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: double check but I think so, you only pay when you validate a task and then amazon get its share | 08:59 |
| kanzure | http://fivesecondtest.com/test/qGVIC6Ar | 09:00 |
| kanzure | it can be slow at times but i got some good data like this: | 09:00 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/one-time-offer-results.png | 09:00 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/my-name-email-results.png | 09:00 |
| davemenn1nger | technologiclee1: to answer your question for earlier: | 09:05 |
| davemenn1nger | we have a makerbotcurrently and are working on a mendel | 09:06 |
| davemenn1nger | also we are trying to design and build a tabletop size cnc router | 09:06 |
| Utopiah | like for cloud technology, Im afraid that Amazon while cast a shadow on every competitors, i.e. now micro-work = Amazon Turk | 09:06 |
| davemenn1nger | one of our memebers actually designed a new stepper motor driver board to use on various reprap and other cnc projects | 09:07 |
| davemenn1nger | i am currently working on fleshing out this overview page: | 09:07 |
| davemenn1nger | http://wiki.hive13.org/index.php?title=Hive13_CNC_Projects | 09:07 |
| technologiclee1 | davemenn1nger: niiice | 09:09 |
| technologiclee1 | what kinds of things do you plan on routing at a tabletop size? | 09:12 |
| kanzure | davemenn1nger: have you heard of mechmate? | 09:12 |
| davemenn1nger | i was thinking thin plywood, like the makerbot frame is made out of | 09:13 |
| technologiclee1 | have you seen this little router robot> it has speed and precison - and walks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM | 09:13 |
| davemenn1nger | also someday maybe lasercut acrylic, but not sure about that one | 09:13 |
| davemenn1nger | hmm, mechmate, no i dont think i've seen that one before | 09:13 |
| kanzure | it's an "open source" 11x6 router table | 09:14 |
| davemenn1nger | oh yeah, the hexapod rules - really cool | 09:14 |
| kanzure | http://mechmate.com/ | 09:14 |
| kanzure | you can get a PDF of DXF diagrams from that site. but not the raw DXF files | 09:14 |
| davemenn1nger | i see | 09:15 |
| technologiclee1 | in that vid - it routes a face out of syrofoam | 09:15 |
| davemenn1nger | does it self-replicate? | 09:15 |
| davemenn1nger | what material is it built out of? | 09:15 |
| kanzure | the mechmate does not self-replicate.. it requires some controllers, etc. | 09:15 |
| kanzure | steel | 09:16 |
| davemenn1nger | ok, still cool though | 09:16 |
| technologiclee1 | what we need is a bot that can be turned loose at a garbage dump and can replicate - the segulls have mastered this | 09:18 |
| technologiclee1 | that also know how to hang out at a taco stand | 09:18 |
| technologiclee1 | thay* | 09:18 |
| technologiclee1 | really - all the parts and materials are there | 09:19 |
| kanzure | segulls can live and breed on a garbage dump? | 09:19 |
| kanzure | like have we tracked segulls that are born and die and never leave the dump? | 09:19 |
| technologiclee1 | ohhhhh ya like a flying cloud | 09:19 |
| technologiclee1 | i did not track them but they are always there - rodents too i bet, cats dogs - | 09:20 |
| technologiclee1 | they have no reason to leave | 09:20 |
| technologiclee1 | but i'm serious - here is the chew chew gastrobot - runs on converting meat to electricity http://www.seanbaby.com/news/gastrobots.htm | 09:24 |
| technologiclee1 | so take that and the heaxabot router - and replication can not be far away | 09:24 |
| kanzure | so, fenn and i started skdb because we wanted self-replication | 09:26 |
| kanzure | the problem is that when you add a new item to a self-replication design, you might be importing new unknown dependencies | 09:26 |
| kanzure | freitas wrote a book on this actually | 09:26 |
| kanzure | and he showed that if on average you are importing dependencies that import additional dependencies that are not already satisfied, then the series is unbounded | 09:26 |
| kanzure | he represented it as a power series, in particular a p-series | 09:27 |
| technologiclee1 | the one with rabbits on the cover | 09:27 |
| kanzure | so what skdb helps us do is write an algorithm to go over the data and figure out which tools can build which tools | 09:27 |
| kanzure | instead of randomly choosing | 09:27 |
| technologiclee1 | the problem with replication seems to be the metal parts. there was mention on Open Manufacturing about high voltage metal sputtering - i forget the term used | 09:38 |
| technologiclee1 | if we took scrap metal and disolved it in acid - maybe it could be used as a feed stock - that would cut out the whole smelting and casting steps | 09:40 |
| technologiclee1 | also the technique is reversible like electroplating/ and whatever the opposite of that is called | 09:41 |
| technologiclee1 | i saw a system somewhere that could deposit very small ammounts of metal - or if the voltage was reversed - electrochemically etch a similar small volume | 09:43 |
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| technologiclee1 | well - we started off with hands stick and rocks and made it to computers and spacecraft - but now we know and can take a shorter path - so what is the shortest path? | 09:55 |
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| kanzure | yep that's the right question | 09:59 |
| technologiclee1 | all the makebot and all that are dealing with bulk material at the macroscopic level - the oly things we know to replicate - life - operates at a much smaller level | 10:07 |
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| technologiclee1 | which suggest a cellular approach | 10:09 |
| technologiclee1 | here is the optical tweezer blog - the newest article is about a conveyor for molucules - which i think they have been doing for awhile | 10:14 |
| technologiclee1 | http://opticaltweezers.blogspot.com/ | 10:14 |
| technologiclee1 | anyway once one does have replication - then the question is ho to make macroscopic objects out of it - coral does a good job - you can see them from space | 10:15 |
| technologiclee1 | here is that Open Manu thread - one of it's names is thermal spraying http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/2e6085649d174e38/3d93407d8daf8f8c?lnk=gst&q=metal+beam#3d93407d8daf8f8c | 10:17 |
| technologiclee1 | nasa has started using it - i think - so we can make parts and tools in space | 10:18 |
| technologiclee1 | ok so - if you have a cnc thermal sprayer - it should be able to make most of it's own parts - what would be missing? transformers (magnets) | 10:19 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.com/ | 10:24 |
| technologiclee1 | looking at the electro plating and electro chemical etching i saw this atricle on STM tips http://www.mse.engin.umich.edu/research/projects/232 | 10:25 |
| technologiclee1 | are you sure - google doesnt find | 10:26 |
| technologiclee1 | gnasha - gunsha? | 10:26 |
| technologiclee1 | maybe it is just down right now | 10:27 |
| kanzure | it hasn't propagated yet | 10:27 |
| kanzure | but it looks like this: http://fivesecondtest.com/test/nR5qw7_w | 10:29 |
| technologiclee1 | ok i did 3 - i think i failed ; ) | 10:31 |
| technologiclee1 | am i a micro worker now? | 10:32 |
| kanzure | i think so :( | 10:32 |
| technologiclee1 | actually all these searches and conversations and thinking - i consider my work | 10:32 |
| kanzure | you're a migrant micro worker | 10:32 |
| kanzure | lee, i was going to have some people over at noon to work on an unrelated project, you're welcome to show up if you want some company while you're typing | 10:33 |
| technologiclee1 | yep born in the back of a greyhound bus - not really but close enough | 10:33 |
| kanzure | we even have a separate room | 10:33 |
| technologiclee1 | sweeet no - i'm in therapy for aspurgers - i need to be around pplz ; ) | 10:33 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with aspergers? | 10:34 |
| technologiclee1 | if you could send your address tho - i'm best when i see a map | 10:34 |
| kanzure | technologiclee1: http://bit.ly/2cxPYj | 10:34 |
| technologiclee1 | nothing - it's a joke and i do not think it is a disease - it think it is a state of mind | 10:34 |
| technologiclee1 | perfect whats the project? | 10:35 |
| technologiclee1 | i guess i'll find out... ) | 10:36 |
| kanzure | haha yes :) | 10:36 |
| technologiclee1 | damn -- wish the laptop would wake up | 10:36 |
| technologiclee1 | maybe a nice drive will do it good - it likes the truck | 10:36 |
| technologiclee1 | but i have take the desktop to cofee shops and bars before ... | 10:37 |
| technologiclee1 | i'll bring some chips and whatnot | 10:38 |
| technologiclee1 | (for me) ; ) | 10:39 |
| technologiclee1 | a rep rap could not handle the conditions of thermal spraying.... | 10:42 |
| technologiclee1 | hey mahbe hplus roadmap should be logged and popsted somewhere | 10:43 |
| technologiclee1 | just an off the cuff remark could count as prior art | 10:43 |
| kanzure | it is | 10:43 |
| kanzure | it's not posted on a regular basis though | 10:43 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap.log.tar.gz | 10:43 |
| technologiclee1 | and there are not many patents that truly are non - obvious | 10:43 |
| technologiclee1 | thats fine as lond as the folks at Articleone.com can find it ; ) | 10:44 |
| technologiclee1 | man - i tried doing some patent de....bunking for them - boring | 10:44 |
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| technologiclee1 | gnusha is bryan? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | yeah it's just another server i have | 10:45 |
| kanzure | up in portland | 10:46 |
| technologiclee1 | ahhh ok - i noticed opera will act as a server - is that reliable ? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | opera will act as a server? where'd you see that? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | your ubuntu box is already a server, btw | 10:46 |
| technologiclee1 | ohhh and thanks for just sending me the link to opera - if i knew it was a one click install i would have gone and done it | 10:47 |
| technologiclee1 | it was in the intro notes with sharing music and files and stuff | 10:47 |
| kanzure | oh. no i wouldn't use that | 10:47 |
| kanzure | you can install a web server by doing: sudo apt-get install apache2 | 10:47 |
| kanzure | and then files in /var/www/ are exposed to the web (you might have to make that folder) | 10:48 |
| technologiclee1 | it is right there on the sidebar with opera unite - Web Server | 10:48 |
| kanzure | superkuh: do you know what he is talking about? i haven't bothered in a while | 10:48 |
| Utopiah | technologiclee1: is "reliable" but it's not very flexible, you are stuck to Opera Unite apps AFAIK | 10:49 |
| superkuh | Opera's unite webserver is nice, but I wouldn't use it. | 10:49 |
| Utopiah | but it's well done in the sense that they provide you a fixed URL, no need to use DynDNS and such things | 10:49 |
| kanzure | what is it? | 10:49 |
| technologiclee1 | i am happy to let all my stuff exist 'on the cloud' for now - but when i have something to share... | 10:50 |
| technologiclee1 | and i have used apache +sql before | 10:50 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: an Opera httpd plugin that registers your current IP to Opera server and redirects clients | 10:50 |
| kanzure | does the server only run while opera is running? | 10:50 |
| superkuh | Yes. | 10:51 |
| kanzure | ha | 10:51 |
| technologiclee1 | welll - isn't your browser 'always' running? | 10:52 |
| Utopiah | even when you sleep? anyway it's providing a new service to I think it's a good think (even if I stick to lighttpd) | 10:52 |
| superkuh | Unite is for non-technical persons. It is better than having them use social networking sites or free hosts. It is not for someone who knows how to run a webserver. | 10:53 |
| technologiclee1 | well yes - i have such a circus going on - sometimes i might just rest my eyes for a few minutes and end up going back to work - or sleep for 12 hours - so my computer runs always | 10:54 |
| kanzure | if your computer is always running, you should just sudo apt-get install apache2 | 10:55 |
| technologiclee1 | ok - i am - | 10:55 |
| kanzure | or lighttpd, but i haven't used that much. | 10:55 |
| technologiclee1 | where would var/www be - and do i have to 'turn apache on"? | 10:57 |
| technologiclee1 | eeeh i can look it up when i need it | 10:58 |
| kanzure | no your box will turn it on automagically | 10:59 |
| technologiclee1 | hey i found it - i'm starting to get somewhere on the command line - | 10:59 |
| Utopiah | (welcome to the real world) | 11:00 |
| technologiclee1 | what the heck - i'll host some files... ! | 11:00 |
| technologiclee1 | todays other lesson was killall firefox | 11:04 |
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| technologiclee1 | i can not seem to cut and paste or drag and drop any files into var/www i gotta use copy or move? | 11:08 |
| kanzure | two ways. sudo the operation, or you can do this: sudo chmod a+rw /var/www | 11:09 |
| technologiclee1 | ohhhh permissions | 11:09 |
| kanzure | by default only root gets to play in /var/www/ so you have to change that with chmod yeah | 11:09 |
| technologiclee1 | sudo drag and drop ? ; ) | 11:09 |
| technologiclee1 | but i am root - if i'm gonna mess it up - i'm gonna messit up - typing sudo does not stop me ;) | 11:10 |
| technologiclee1 | haha! files are hosted! we have molecular machine parts and some BS NE1 files that i have not simulated | 11:12 |
| kanzure | can you link to your ip address? | 11:12 |
| technologiclee1 | for my next stupid question... 70.114.201.242 computer name EV007 | 11:13 |
| kanzure | are you sure apache is on? can you run this real quick: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart | 11:14 |
| technologiclee1 | so you would actually be linking over the wireless... | 11:14 |
| kanzure | oh you need to modify the router settings then. if you log into the router go to "applications and gaming" or something about "port forwarding" and forward port 80 to your internal computer's ip address | 11:15 |
| technologiclee1 | Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName | 11:15 |
| kanzure | try http://192.168.1.1/ or http://192.168.1.10/ to get to the router | 11:16 |
| technologiclee1 | mmmm not my router , but i can hook mine up | 11:16 |
| kanzure | oh | 11:16 |
| technologiclee1 | welll - waht they don't know... | 11:16 |
| kanzure | well anyway, the reason why http://70.114.201.242/ doesn't work is because you're behind a router that doesn't know to forward port 80 to your computer | 11:16 |
| technologiclee1 | i'll just go see what kind it is- could be other options... | 11:18 |
| technologiclee1 | its just a linsys | 11:19 |
| kanzure | yeah it's probably on http://192.168.1.1/ | 11:19 |
| technologiclee1 | right - it does not connect and the pings time out | 11:21 |
| technologiclee1 | oh wait there is a real server in the house... | 11:21 |
| kanzure | oh, try http://192.168.1.10/ | 11:22 |
| technologiclee1 | that did not connect either | 11:22 |
| technologiclee1 | ok i plugged in my wireless router the the linksys | 11:28 |
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| Utopiah | http://freebooksource.com/blogroll/build-your-own-electric-vehicle/ | 11:33 |
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| technologiclee3 | ok i'm connectec thru my router and in the routers menu | 11:37 |
| kanzure | well you need to set up port forwarding or "applications and gaming" so that port 80 goes to your computer (so 192.168.. something something) | 11:39 |
| technologiclee3 | ok Firewall > Virtual Srvers the boxes are Lan (192.168.2.X) Trotocal type (TCP ect) Lanport (80?) Public Port (?) Enable (checkbox) | 11:43 |
| kanzure | you can figure out which ip address you are by typing sudo ifconfig and looking for 192.168.x.x | 11:46 |
| technologiclee3 | i think i'm at 2.2 according to tracerout - do i need to worry about UDP or is it TCP and do i need an entry for public port | 11:50 |
| technologiclee3 | and would port forwarding have to be enabled on the first router even if i have it on the second router? | 11:52 |
| technologiclee3 | alright tried forwarding port 1111 to 80 an tcp+udp - i'll mess with it some more whrn i get back - headed that way for chips and unrelated projects | 12:11 |
| kanzure | tcp | 12:28 |
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| KrisC | Hello good people. I just learned of this endeavor last night and would love to learn everything. | 12:58 |
| KrisC | I am a reprap maker and 3D modeller who is developpoing a project quite similar. | 12:59 |
| KrisC | I'm scared Anders sandberg will start stealing people's brains in their sleep? | 13:03 |
| KrisC | (that last bit was a joke to check for life) | 13:04 |
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| ybit | kanzure: hi KrisC | 13:28 |
| * ybit was at work | 13:28 | |
| ybit | there is life, i think i think most people are busy atm though | 13:28 |
| ybit | give it a few hours :) | 13:28 |
| ybit | or wait until the weekend | 13:28 |
| KrisC | lol, I only have 10 minutes to get to work myself! | 13:29 |
| KrisC | Perpetual problem, working second shift, for communication | 13:29 |
| KrisC | I am going to try to spend more time next wek, I have off | 13:29 |
| ybit | KrisC: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap.log.tar.gz | 13:30 |
| ybit | there's a long that goes i think until october.. | 13:30 |
| kanzure | hi KrisC | 13:30 |
| kanzure | anders has already stolen our brains | 13:30 |
| ybit | we've had quite a lot of new people join since then though | 13:30 |
| KrisC | lol | 13:30 |
| KrisC | if anders created a simulation of our brains... | 13:31 |
| KrisC | yeah, I have some archives to look through, let me add that to this list | 13:31 |
| kanzure | would you mind sharing "the list"? :) | 13:31 |
| KrisC | it's on google wave, or at least the most recent draft | 13:32 |
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| kanzure | hi russell232 | 13:33 |
| kanzure | KrisC: would you mind discussing your mirror ideas? | 13:37 |
| KrisC | by mirrror you mean side by side DB? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | yep | 13:37 |
| kanzure | we want to hear the idea before we corrupt your brain with skdb | 13:37 |
| KrisC | i understand | 13:38 |
| KrisC | context is a dialog, like a search box | 13:38 |
| KrisC | the search is for a good or service. you dont have to know what you want before hand | 13:38 |
| KrisC | so you request an apple | 13:39 |
| KrisC | the local DB looks for how it knows to get appples, therse are pointers | 13:40 |
| KrisC | pointers to the objective DB which is just methods | 13:40 |
| KrisC | if no method is known then peers are asked via a pop-up | 13:40 |
| KrisC | users have trust histories, methods have successful use histories | 13:41 |
| kanzure | have you seen the wiki and presentations for skdb? | 13:41 |
| KrisC | each user is supposed to have a unique rating system so we normalize all results from that users to get relative rankings | 13:41 |
| KrisC | I saw the presentations | 13:41 |
| KrisC | I've been to the wiki, but havent found articles therein, distracted by your personal site bryan | 13:42 |
| KrisC | the advantage of the 2 DB system is it is an evolutionary method | 13:42 |
| KrisC | more popular get pushed to the top | 13:43 |
| KrisC | I don't have an implementation of this yet, trying to work out parsing logic for instruction sets | 13:43 |
| KrisC | and the relative trust value methods | 13:44 |
| KrisC | i got a run in minute or two. questions? | 13:45 |
| kanzure | no not at the moment :) i'm kinda lagging because of some people in realspace | 13:45 |
| KrisC | oh RL | 13:46 |
| KrisC | time for work, I'll be back in 9hrs, and in the later future. this is great | 13:48 |
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| ybit | kanzure: /names | 13:49 |
| ybit | argh | 13:49 |
| kanzure | hm? | 13:49 |
| ybit | ignore | 13:49 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://gnusha.com/ | 13:53 |
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| kanzure | hi gene | 13:57 |
| kanzure | ybit: how do you like the splash page? | 13:57 |
| ybit | i don't care for the black back ground | 13:59 |
| Utopiah | it's pretty nice but Id be surprised if between this http://openmanufacturing.net/ and other domains, newcomers don't see the relation of each initiative | 13:59 |
| kanzure | i bet | 14:02 |
| ybit | kanzure: i was kind of surprised to see the page though | 14:03 |
| kanzure | oh? | 14:04 |
| ybit | wow | 14:08 |
| ybit | fenn, is this corrct? | 14:11 |
| randallagordon | wow, gnusha's wite is a user experience nightmare | 14:11 |
| randallagordon | *site | 14:11 |
| ybit | du -sh /mnt/archive | 14:11 |
| ybit | 38GB | 14:11 |
| ybit | kanzure? | 14:12 |
| randallagordon | I had to view the source to determine that the input box is borderless and contains default text... | 14:12 |
| ybit | :) | 14:12 |
| randallagordon | UI consistancy is important! | 14:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: 38GB? | 14:14 |
| kanzure | fenn deletes a lot of stuff :( | 14:14 |
| ybit | nah, | 14:14 |
| kanzure | randallagordon: good point | 14:15 |
| ybit | that was another drive | 14:15 |
| ybit | i don't think the hdd was recongized | 14:17 |
| ybit | dmesg confirms these suspicions | 14:18 |
| ybit | ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec) | 14:18 |
| ybit | ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O, err_mask=0x5) | 14:19 |
| ybit | ata1: SATA link down (ssTATUS FFFFFFFF SControl FFFFFFFF) | 14:19 |
| ybit | guess i need to play with the bios settings | 14:20 |
| ybit | fenn: what fs, ext3? | 14:28 |
| kanzure | probably | 14:31 |
| ybit | progress! SATA link up ...SATA link down | 14:32 |
| ybit | at least it was up at one point | 14:32 |
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| kanzure | " | 14:40 |
| kanzure | By the way, not sure if you know this, but Nathan (still OM list owner I assume?) seems to have had a big meltdown in the UK (Manchester), and he is still there after the media ecologies conference he went there for," | 14:40 |
| kanzure | "and no one seems to be able to contact him right now for days, and people are looking for him. Just thought you should know. A lot of people are worried." | 14:40 |
| kanzure | "Vinay and Michel are two people on the OM list that has more first hand knowledge of that, though Smari and Joseph Jackson also have been in the loop some. I did not go to that conference myself." | 14:40 |
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| kristianpaul | kanzure: are you including stripboards designs in the software? | 15:01 |
| kristianpaul | seems to ve universal avaliable stuff i think | 15:01 |
| kanzure | at the moment there is not a stripboard design yet- | 15:03 |
| kanzure | do you mean pcb boards? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | i've been so busy.. electronics definitely definitely needs to be in skdb | 15:03 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: striped pcb boards | 15:05 |
| genehacker2 | what about using that PCB design format, eagle isn't it? | 15:08 |
| genehacker2 | the one that pick and place machines use | 15:08 |
| kanzure | i don't know if that's a good format | 15:10 |
| kanzure | gEDA has some format suggestions though, those might be worth it :) | 15:10 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 15:12 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: have you ever used the gEDA tool suite? | 15:13 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: tried | 15:13 |
| kristianpaul | for now still kicad | 15:13 |
| kristianpaul | gEDA needs i change my mind a bit, but is really awesome used when you got it | 15:13 |
| kristianpaul | s/used/use it | 15:14 |
| kristianpaul | think i did somthing with gtkwave in the past | 15:16 |
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| kanzure | hi russell232 | 18:12 |
| kanzure | russell232: is it ok if i hold of on replying to your email? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | for a few minutes | 18:13 |
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| ybit | hmm | 19:20 |
| ybit | someone want to map out the activity in the channel? | 19:21 |
| ybit | s/map/graph | 19:21 |
| ybit | and if you do this, share your code please :) | 19:22 |
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| ybit | junkyard jet engine http://www.junkyardjet.com/ | 20:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | i almost picked one up, but i spun it by hand, and even that slow it was noisey | 20:04 |
| Martyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VsOoFCYkz8 | 20:08 |
| ybit | kanzure: i would have been more impressed if the guy picked you up in the go-kart :) | 20:18 |
| ybit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFpsuQ2zI24 :: lamborghini vs go-kart | 20:18 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: what formats does kicad export? | 22:02 |
| kristianpaul | kristianpaul: genCAD in my version | 22:03 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: ^ | 22:03 |
| kanzure | genCAD is a format? | 22:03 |
| kanzure | it's been a while since i've looked into any of this for gEDA/eagle/kicad/etc. | 22:04 |
| kristianpaul | dont know, i never export in kicad | 22:04 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: so gerber? :p | 22:04 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: thats why i poitend stripped boards like an alternative | 22:05 |
| kristianpaul | considering not all people in the world have access to advaced PCB fabrication technology | 22:05 |
| QuantumG | http://reason.com/assets/mc/jtaylor/stantisdebateover.jpg | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | nice | 22:06 |
| kristianpaul | indeed | 22:07 |
| ybit | ick, looks like you save your files as .net | 22:12 |
| ybit | in kicad | 22:12 |
| genehacker2 | quantumg I didn't know you were a climate change denialist | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | I love that label. "What's your evidence for that claim?" "Denier!!!" | 22:19 |
| QuantumG | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1476540&cid=30419250 | 22:25 |
| QuantumG | sums it up great | 22:25 |
| QuantumG | if you filled a room with sulfur hexafluoride, would people be buoyant? | 22:43 |
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| KrisC | Good day good people | 22:49 |
| KrisC | as per earlier discussion, I have made a list of required or useful features. I will spend the next hour or so rendering them as html | 22:51 |
| kanzure | why html? | 23:02 |
| genehacker2 | no QuantumG I like to ignite the powder keg | 23:06 |
| KrisC | pick a format if not html | 23:06 |
| KrisC | i thought i could just post it quick then | 23:07 |
| genehacker2 | and I've been around my parents who think global warming is a hoax propagated by the liberals or something to that effect | 23:12 |
| KrisC | feature list | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Objective and subjective Databases- | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Social Networks- | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Scheduler- | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Local Trade (Barter) | 23:16 |
| KrisC | -Alternate Interface (Magic Mirror)- | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Nutrion Manager | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Nutrtition (sp) | 23:16 |
| KrisC | Inventory Managemnt (you have) | 23:17 |
| KrisC | Contact Manager | 23:17 |
| genehacker2 | nutrition manager? | 23:17 |
| KrisC | it calculates a diet for you and makes food thr extrusion mostly | 23:18 |
| KrisC | if you know someoen is oging to feed you on time you will be less likely to snack | 23:18 |
| genehacker2 | ugh extruded meat can't be tasting | 23:18 |
| KrisC | this is in support of the goal Life Extension | 23:18 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 23:19 |
| KrisC | it is essential that a bread substitute be made avaliable | 23:19 |
| genehacker2 | we're a bit far from star trek replicators | 23:19 |
| KrisC | true, but I print food alrady with RepRap | 23:19 |
| KrisC | I just need to be able to schdule it | 23:19 |
| genehacker2 | what sort of food? | 23:19 |
| KrisC | goals arent only short term | 23:19 |
| genehacker2 | what about ink? | 23:19 |
| KrisC | hoe grown feedstocks will provide for food whenever possible | 23:20 |
| genehacker2 | what do you intend to grow | 23:20 |
| KrisC | this system supports a divers e manufacturing base, where someone anonymous in your neighbohood will supply a specific item | 23:20 |
| genehacker2 | surely not algae you can't eat algae every day you'll get sick | 23:21 |
| KrisC | auto outsourcing | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | what system? | 23:21 |
| KrisC | i was thinking mostly soy | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | skdb, manna, or something else? | 23:21 |
| KrisC | something else | 23:21 |
| KrisC | I should back up a step | 23:21 |
| genehacker2 | maybe I should | 23:22 |
| genehacker2 | oh I seem to have missed your description | 23:22 |
| KrisC | no, my name is KrisC. I am new here. I am a maker and modeller, who has been teaching himself a variety of skills | 23:22 |
| genehacker2 | oh ok | 23:23 |
| KrisC | in order to create a computer program very much like skdb | 23:23 |
| genehacker2 | well that's one of our goals | 23:23 |
| KrisC | my project is a bit more expansive than simply a program, but I believe that you have a much broader agenda | 23:23 |
| KrisC | Explicity, my goals are Space Migration, Intelligence Increase, and Life Extension (SMIILE) | 23:24 |
| genehacker2 | be careful you might get version 2.0 madness if you cover everything | 23:24 |
| KrisC | I have recently started a google wave group of some of my acquatances, to whom I am describing this | 23:25 |
| KrisC | I believe I know what I have to do in order to get more people to do what I want. Im going to go collaorative open source, but am checking my ideas with a broader range of my associates | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | yup | 23:26 |
| genehacker2 | you're going to need lot's of help | 23:26 |
| KrisC | then I saw the youtube videos, and I said "These people know exactly what I mean" especially considering I have the same gallery of images bookmarked for the very similar project | 23:27 |
| KrisC | Yes, but if I come here and use part of your work, then I have lots of help | 23:27 |
| genehacker2 | the Hplus summit presentation? | 23:27 |
| KrisC | Its Open Source :) | 23:27 |
| KrisC | yes | 23:27 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 23:28 |
| genehacker2 | have you talked to kanzure? | 23:28 |
| KrisC | briefly | 23:28 |
| KrisC | he can scroll back over this exposition I just provided | 23:29 |
| KrisC | So anyway, let me finish the list of features I believe are essential to create a transformative software app | 23:31 |
| KrisC | there are only a few more | 23:31 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 23:32 |
| KrisC | Login Manager must support multiple simultaneous identities | 23:32 |
| KrisC | Trade requires recorded web cam manufacturing | 23:33 |
| KrisC | Contact manager | 23:33 |
| KrisC | and finally, the dream is to have robot arms | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | multiple simultaneous identities can lead to trolling | 23:34 |
| genehacker2 | why recored web cam manufacturing? | 23:34 |
| KrisC | there are legitmate and clandestine uses for the function | 23:34 |
| KrisC | In order to ensure quality of manufacturing | 23:34 |
| KrisC | so someone doesnt spit in your food | 23:35 |
| genehacker2 | quality is not always assured by visually watching the process | 23:35 |
| KrisC | true, but it will cut down on causal exploitation | 23:35 |
| KrisC | casual | 23:35 |
| genehacker2 | for things like steel you need to do tests on the steel | 23:35 |
| genehacker2 | strength testing needs to be done | 23:36 |
| KrisC | true, and of course there is a risk when ordering things off the internet, but we have mechanisms to deal with it | 23:36 |
| KrisC | if you have a webcam you can run a demo | 23:36 |
| KrisC | you can set it as a conditon of trade | 23:36 |
| genehacker2 | for stuff like rockets you need to pressure test the fuel tanks | 23:36 |
| genehacker2 | sometimes this is a destructive process | 23:37 |
| KrisC | now who is thinking large scale | 23:37 |
| KrisC | for criitical components I would not use an ad hoc network | 23:37 |
| KrisC | let me explain how my program works | 23:38 |
| KrisC | (it doesnt work, i dont have a working model - for me this is 4 or 5 years away by myself) | 23:38 |
| KrisC | it is like a search form | 23:39 |
| KrisC | the user is prompted "I want a..." | 23:39 |
| genehacker2 | read up on human rating things, it'll help with the space migration | 23:39 |
| KrisC | life extension will help with space migration too | 23:40 |
| genehacker2 | yes indeed | 23:41 |
| KrisC | I have aerospace engineer friends, I will involve them when the time comes, but I want to have a greater portfolio before then | 23:42 |
| genehacker2 | are you a software engineer? | 23:43 |
| KrisC | no, IT manager, though I went to school for materials engineering (platics, and anthropology | 23:43 |
| genehacker2 | oh materials engineering | 23:43 |
| genehacker2 | just had some classes over that | 23:43 |
| KrisC | i spent several years drawing weather maps, which helped build my modelling skills | 23:44 |
| KrisC | which are merely adequate | 23:44 |
| KrisC | also been a cook, and a game designer | 23:45 |
| KrisC | what are you studying gene? | 23:47 |
| genehacker2 | mechanical engineering | 23:47 |
| KrisC | excellent | 23:47 |
| KrisC | relevant interests? | 23:48 |
| KrisC | or irrelevant? | 23:48 |
| genehacker2 | reprap, diybio, solar balloons, making stuff, making stuff | 23:48 |
| KrisC | I have been meaning so see what you mean by diybio, but honesly only ffirst heard the term this morning | 23:49 |
| KrisC | looking it up | 23:49 |
| genehacker2 | I have an almost full set of darwin parts | 23:49 |
| KrisC | neat | 23:50 |
| KrisC | Isnt there someoen in France who makes things glow in the dark (geneticallly) in France | 23:50 |
| KrisC | got a sequencer off ebay | 23:51 |
| KrisC | hackerspace related something I remeber | 23:51 |
| genehacker2 | and I'm working on a printable stepper | 23:51 |
| genehacker2 | a sequencer off of ebay | 23:51 |
| genehacker2 | WHERE WHERE WHERE | 23:51 |
| genehacker2 | sequencers are VERY EXPENSIVE | 23:52 |
| genehacker2 | the fact that someone even acquired one for home use is amazing | 23:52 |
| genehacker2 | there aren't that many in the world | 23:52 |
| KrisC | yeah, that was part of the story I heard, she got it for some ridiculous price because it was a hospital surplus on ebay | 23:52 |
| KrisC | she was a pro geneticist, who hacked at home | 23:53 |
| genehacker2 | hospital surplus are you kidding me, what the heck is a hospital doing with a gene sequencer | 23:53 |
| genehacker2 | oh you mean Kay Aull | 23:53 |
| genehacker2 | she's been in here a couple times | 23:54 |
| genehacker2 | I don't think she has a sequencer just a thermocycler | 23:54 |
| KrisC | possible | 23:55 |
| KrisC | sounded fun | 23:56 |
| KrisC | I have used here as an example in conversation several times | 23:56 |
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