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| kanzure | f0r? who says f0r. | 00:09 |
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| ybit | who types in 1337 speak? | 00:09 |
| ybit | s/1/l | 00:09 |
| ybit | and i hackers would use otr or something like that if they had something secretive to share | 00:12 |
| kanzure | i never heard it as l337 | 00:19 |
| ybit | i have never seen 1337 until now | 00:20 |
| ybit | "Leet, also known as eleet or leetspeak, is an alternative alphabet for the English language that is used primarily on the Internet. It uses various combinations of ASCII characters to replace Latinate letters. For example, leet spellings of the word leet include 1337 and l33t; eleet may be spelled 31337 or 3l33t." | 00:20 |
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| kanzure | it's never just l337, it's either l33t or 1337 | 00:23 |
| kanzure | god i suck | 00:24 |
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| bkero | kanzure: Last years? Yea, I have an ISO | 01:51 |
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| fenn | who is etienne? | 08:15 |
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| kanzure | fenn: guy who drew the gnu for GNU | 08:40 |
| fenn | i met peter eckersley from the EFF | 08:42 |
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| Martyn | morning kanzure, fenn | 08:51 |
| Martyn | You're up early fenn | 08:51 |
| kanzure | grr netsplits | 08:51 |
| kanzure | loooks like we missed the deadline for the paper. was silly to think i could write my first paper in less than a week anyway.. | 08:54 |
| Martyn | *raises eyebrow* | 09:03 |
| Martyn | What conference? | 09:04 |
| Martyn | (and yeah, giving yourself one week for a paper is a bit .. tight) | 09:04 |
| kanzure | http://design2010.org/ | 09:07 |
| kanzure | the prof told me about it two wednesdays ago | 09:07 |
| kanzure | got me a week extension on the deadline from the conference organizers | 09:07 |
| kanzure | but even that wasn't enough | 09:07 |
| Martyn | 404? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | http://designconference.org/ my bad | 09:08 |
| kanzure | "design2010" was the name on the wiki for the paper.. heh | 09:08 |
| Martyn | OH! I have a friend in SF that's going to that | 09:09 |
| Martyn | It's amazing how a place that was war torn just a few years ago, is now sufficiently recovered to host conferences | 09:09 |
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| kanzure | hey jay | 11:04 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, Bryan. | 11:05 |
| JayDugger | Have you had a chance to review any of the technical writing style guides I s ent? | 11:05 |
| kanzure | no, in fact i forgot about them | 11:05 |
| JayDugger | No worries. | 11:05 |
| kanzure | i have a few moments now however so i'll go do that | 11:06 |
| JayDugger | I've a few minutes before bed, so if you've questions, please ask. | 11:06 |
| kanzure | flightsafety.com ? | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.gooddocuments.com/homepage/homepage.htm | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.gooddocuments.com/techniques/techniqueshome.htm | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bricklin | 11:06 |
| JayDugger | My employer. | 11:06 |
| kanzure | thanks for the links. downloading the pdfs.. | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | Nothing proprietary exists in the documents. | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | Good technical documentation is an advantage, but not a competitive one. | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | By the time a customer has the manual, they've already bought the product or service. | 11:08 |
| kanzure | does anyone in here have a preferred documentation markup method? restructuredtext never worked for me, and doxygen isn't quite right for my needs | 11:09 |
| kanzure | preferably i need a nice, simple way to generate documentation and tutorials for python code | 11:09 |
| kanzure | (mostly the final look and feel) | 11:09 |
| JayDugger | Past my experience. I worked mostly with Twiki mark-up and MS Word. | 11:10 |
| kanzure | css for python.. not quite the functionality i had in mind: http://cthedot.de/cssutils/ | 11:11 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: what do you do at flightsafety? | 11:16 |
| JayDugger | I now work as a technician on flight simulators. I formerly worked for the manufacturing division, where I installed, set-up, and "certified" similar machines. | 11:17 |
| JayDugger | This involved some project management work, and some technical writing. | 11:18 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll use http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ | 11:18 |
| JayDugger | "Certified" means shepherding the machines through the regulatory authority's review, be that FAA, JAA, DOD, etc. | 11:19 |
| kanzure | heh i'm trying to imagine how much crap you have to go through re: installing them. proprietary interfaces everywhere? | 11:20 |
| kanzure | poor documentation? etc. | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | Oh, wow... | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | where to start with all the horror stories? | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | In aerospace, many formats and interfaces are well-established and well-documented, if proprietary. | 11:21 |
| JayDugger | The cost of substantial hardware, such as a multi-million dollar simulator, means paying off and then depreciating big capital assets can take many years. | 11:22 |
| JayDugger | So part obsolescence can cause real problems. | 11:22 |
| JayDugger | I work mainly on the visual systems of the simulators, and these have finally gone over to COTS hardware. | 11:22 |
| JayDugger | Commericial Off The Shelf, or NVidia graphics cards instead of custom electronics. | 11:23 |
| JayDugger | So that's mostly not a problem on newer machinery. Even the machine vision systems they use for auto-maintenance will soon go over to high-end digital cameras. | 11:24 |
| JayDugger | Canon G10s and G11's cost much less and work better than the odd cameras we formerly used. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | what are they looking at with the auto maintenance vision systems? | 11:26 |
| JayDugger | A typical high-end flight simulator uses multiple video projectors to shine onto a single screen with a toroidal surface section. | 11:27 |
| JayDugger | Until very recently, these projectors used red, green, and blue CRTs. | 11:27 |
| JayDugger | If each CRT didn't shine at the same brightness for the same ordered video level, the overall color of the image would change across the image. | 11:28 |
| JayDugger | Maintaining color matching was one job of the machine vision system. | 11:29 |
| JayDugger | Convergence, or making certain that each projected image had the same size and shape as the others, also relied on a machine vision system. | 11:30 |
| JayDugger | In that case, a test pattern was ordered and its location measured by the machine vision system. Any error between the ordered and measured position was used to make corrections to the video signal. | 11:31 |
| JayDugger | Nothing that couldn't be done by human, but much faster, more accurate, and more consistent when done by machien. | 11:31 |
| JayDugger | machine, even. | 11:32 |
| JayDugger | "Yes, I can dig a hole, but I'd rather use a shovel," if you like. | 11:32 |
| kanzure | CIA-52: ping? | 11:36 |
| JayDugger | Good night, all. | 11:41 |
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| xp_prg | kanzure I have connected an arduino to a tmobile g1, it handles all the wifi etc... | 13:11 |
| xp_prg | it is going to be far cheaper than the zigbee garbage your trying to do | 13:11 |
| kanzure | nah it's not me who's using zigbee | 13:11 |
| kanzure | a friend of a friend.. i told them arduino too :) | 13:12 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I can't figure out what plant cell is best to use for my bioprinting | 13:15 |
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| genehacker2 | a arduino connected to a tmobile? | 15:45 |
| genehacker2 | can you get it to send data over the phone networks, say pictures and stuff? | 15:46 |
| kanzure | anyone know about purchasing plastic injection machines? tim schmidt needs some help | 15:53 |
| kanzure | or plastic extrusions | 15:54 |
| genehacker2 | try #reprap | 16:21 |
| genehacker2 | one guy there knows | 16:21 |
| genehacker2 | is tim going to injection mold some reprap parts? | 16:25 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:27 |
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| xp_prg | genehacker2 yes | 17:11 |
| xp_prg | kanzure there is a vacuum plastic former at the Tech Shop I have access to | 17:12 |
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| CubeSpawn | hey-O | 18:45 |
| CubeSpawn | any live lifeforms present? or just empty shells? | 18:46 |
| genehacker2 | I guess I'm a lifeform | 18:47 |
| genehacker2 | not sure about you though | 18:47 |
| CubeSpawn | or a cleverly written script... | 18:47 |
| genehacker2 | also remember kanzure's a human | 18:47 |
| CubeSpawn | me, I'm a mutated game AI | 18:47 |
| genehacker2 | though several people have thought he was a robot | 18:48 |
| CubeSpawn | well crush the squishy protien things... | 18:48 |
| CubeSpawn | just found an expieremental (sp) investment group | 18:49 |
| genehacker2 | for your cube thing? | 18:50 |
| CubeSpawn | and since the hot topic in the open hardware today was sale-able products | 18:50 |
| CubeSpawn | actually wierder than that - they want to fund several projects with overlapping objectives | 18:51 |
| CubeSpawn | so if skdb could be applied to cubespawn to build a pick and place system someone else wants it'd qualify as a candidate for thier program | 18:52 |
| genehacker2 | I have stl's for a pick and place toolhead for reprap darwing | 18:52 |
| genehacker2 | I should probably post em on thingiverse... | 18:52 |
| CubeSpawn | kewl! does it work? | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | I don't know | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | I don't have a darwin | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | yet | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | only parts for one | 18:53 |
| CubeSpawn | ah, that | 18:53 |
| genehacker2 | only works for SMD | 18:53 |
| CubeSpawn | I built a mcwire, but after about 80% I quit and started cubespawn | 18:54 |
| genehacker2 | argh, that's what everyone does making mcwires | 18:54 |
| CubeSpawn | it turns out to have substantial flaws | 18:54 |
| CubeSpawn | its a nice idea, but not so much... (usefulness, I mean) | 18:55 |
| genehacker2 | what substantial flaws? | 18:55 |
| genehacker2 | if so write em up so people can know not to build mcwire's | 18:55 |
| CubeSpawn | flimsy, too light, poorly balanced, inaccurate, unreliable... | 18:56 |
| genehacker2 | so you hope to solve those problems with cubespawn? | 18:56 |
| CubeSpawn | I used to run a 8000lb mill, so I'm a little biased | 18:57 |
| CubeSpawn | some of them | 18:57 |
| CubeSpawn | it'll still be too weak in gen one, but thats a cost tradeoff | 18:57 |
| CubeSpawn | the one meter cube will be a true light milling machine | 18:58 |
| CubeSpawn | adequate for any aluminum part you'd care to name | 18:58 |
| CubeSpawn | but for a medium duty mill - it'll require parts made on a surface grinder - and then it'll take a while to get to even low end accuracy when compared to commercial versions | 19:00 |
| CubeSpawn | too many non-trivial problems to solve to get there all at once | 19:00 |
| CubeSpawn | but the light mill? that one we can do!! | 19:01 |
| QuantumG | hey cubespawn | 19:02 |
| CubeSpawn | yup! | 19:02 |
| CubeSpawn | whats up QuantumG? | 19:04 |
| QuantumG | saw your concept a few weeks ago.. we talked about it here briefly.. | 19:05 |
| CubeSpawn | right! whats on your mind? | 19:05 |
| QuantumG | nothing :) just thought I'd say hi | 19:05 |
| CubeSpawn | oh, kewl! | 19:05 |
| CubeSpawn | how are your 16 kids? and the goldfish? | 19:06 |
| QuantumG | heh, no kids.. goldfish are good. | 19:06 |
| CubeSpawn | oh, that wasn't you... (heh) | 19:06 |
| CubeSpawn | so mr Kanzure isn't about, he just botted up the room, minimized the window and is coding like a mad man... or something | 19:09 |
| QuantumG | I'm watching "This Week In Space" again in an attempt to find anything I can like | 19:09 |
| kanzure | back | 19:12 |
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| Martyn | *yawn* | 19:15 |
| Martyn | hey all | 19:15 |
| kanzure | CubeSpawn: http://designfiles.org/packages/ | 19:22 |
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| kanzure | CubeSpawn: heekscad | 19:31 |
| Martyn | Dan Heeks! | 19:32 |
| Martyn | He rocks :) | 19:32 |
| Martyn | I ressurected some open source code off of Sourceforge for him a while back. The adaptive clearing algorithms | 19:32 |
| ybit | er, where's a simple place for people to browse for bio and chem supplies? supposedly you are supposed to purchase stuff for other people during the holidays, so i need a place for people to shop for me... | 19:42 |
| ybit | microscopes, hot plates, flasks, etc.. | 19:42 |
| QuantumG | expect to get a Mr Toys My First Microscope | 19:42 |
| ybit | lol | 19:43 |
| ybit | yeah, preferably some place that has gift certificates | 19:43 |
| ybit | mouser.com | 19:45 |
| ybit | harborfreight.com has been suggested to me by some friend... | 19:45 |
| Martyn | you want scientific equipment? labx.com | 19:47 |
| Martyn | edmund scientific | 19:47 |
| Martyn | etc. | 19:47 |
| xp_prg | can github host private source code projects? | 19:48 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: if you pay | 19:49 |
| kanzure | CubeSpawn: http://heybryan.org:8081/ | 19:49 |
| QuantumG | surely pushing to your own private web server is a better option | 19:49 |
| ybit | thanks Martyn, i forgot about 'ol labx | 19:54 |
| CubeSpawn | ok, I now begin to play with heekscad </social mode=off> | 20:01 |
| kanzure | fyi my site is going down for a few minutes | 20:03 |
| CubeSpawn | see you all later, have a good one!! | 20:06 |
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| ybit | anyone read 'the evolution and development of the universe'? it loks decent | 20:18 |
| ybit | http://evodevouniverse.com/EDU2008Papers/EDU2008SpecialIssue.pdf | 20:18 |
| kanzure | doesn't john smart run evodevouniverse.com? | 20:21 |
| ybit | dunno, you linked to it the other day | 20:22 |
| ybit | http://tile28.gigapan.org/gigapans0/28129/tiles//r13.jpg | 20:22 |
| ybit | whoops | 20:22 |
| ybit | that's me attempting to download all the images which make up the metabolic pathways image | 20:22 |
| ybit | $2 for 1000 captchas, not a bad deal | 20:23 |
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| ybit | where is the source for booleano? | 20:42 |
| ybit | kanzure ^ i suppose this is specific to you | 20:42 |
| ybit | aha https://launchpad.net/booleano | 20:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.guitar-list.com/download-software/convert-sketchup-skp-files-dxf-or-stl | 21:01 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 21:02 |
| kanzure | cubespawn was claiming he could do skp->iges but he was wrong | 21:08 |
| Martyn | REally? | 21:09 |
| Martyn | How can you possibly do that conversion? | 21:09 |
| Martyn | You can -import- iges to sketchup, certainly | 21:10 |
| Martyn | but.. um.. export? | 21:10 |
| Martyn | Better question .. why would you want to use the old 80 column iges format? | 21:11 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 21:17 |
| kanzure | i think he misread anyway | 21:17 |
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| fenn | 22:14 | |
| fenn | 22:14 | |
| kanzure | hello fenn | 22:14 |
| fenn | i'm asleep | 22:14 |
| kanzure | are you really | 22:16 |
| kanzure | oh shit | 22:18 |
| kanzure | kim peek died | 22:18 |
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