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| ybit | this image sucks: http://thingiverse_beta.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/df/ff/f4/bd/ad/RARM-Ponoko_display_large.jpg | 03:36 |
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| ybit | someone please hurt the person who made it so small | 03:36 |
| ybit | kanzure: thanks for the notes from the meeting | 03:37 |
| * ybit has solidworks on his linux machine | 03:38 | |
| Utopiah | kanzure: can check link between aging and the suprachiasmatic nucleus (and the consequence of vision and light for re-synchronicity) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558140?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=3 if Pubmed works again (got a weird error now) | 03:38 |
| ybit | it was a 10gb torrent too | 03:39 |
| ybit | 22:38 < Martyn> kanzure : Um, the cheapest I can get windows XP .. is $89 | 03:43 |
| ybit | it's free online, just saying | 03:43 |
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| ybit | hi El_Matarife | 03:45 |
| El_Matarife | Evening | 03:46 |
| El_Matarife | Or hell its 3:46AM so how about "Morning" | 03:46 |
| superkuh | http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0008218 - A Wireless Brain-Machine Interface for Real-Time Speech Synthesis , I didn't see it in the logs. | 03:59 |
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| kanzure | http://spaceup.org/ san diego unconference | 09:04 |
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| eleitl | San Diego is a long way from Texas. | 09:17 |
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| kanzure | eleitl: yesterday i tried my hand at cracking the .sldprt file format, but there's this section of the file that is just raw binary data | 09:21 |
| kanzure | any suggestions? | 09:21 |
| eleitl | I would contact the company. There might be some old stuff on Usenet as well. | 09:22 |
| eleitl | SLDPRT and parser you already tried, I presume? | 09:23 |
| kanzure | as a search query? | 09:23 |
| eleitl | yes. I'm sifting through hits, nothing conclusive so far. | 09:24 |
| kanzure | heh i know how to search- this is why i was doing it myself :/ | 09:24 |
| kanzure | huh google groups now searches forums? | 09:25 |
| eleitl | then I have no idea. I haven't had to parse a proprietary format in ages. | 09:25 |
| eleitl | you are going up to spaceup? | 09:26 |
| kanzure | probably not | 09:27 |
| eleitl | how are you funding yourself these days? | 09:27 |
| kanzure | poorly- i'm involved in a lot of initiatives that will start paying out Real Soon Now | 09:29 |
| eleitl | here's hoping that they do. | 09:31 |
| eleitl | don't spread yourself too thinly. Considered contacting the usual suspects/moneybags for funding? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | who are you thinking of? | 09:32 |
| eleitl | kurzweil, rothblatt, others. You probably can just ask around, and have some 15-20 names offered. | 09:33 |
| eleitl | come up with a specific pitch, and ask for funding. | 09:33 |
| eleitl | ask Christine Peterson, too. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | chris has money? i was talking with her yesterday | 09:34 |
| eleitl | no, but she knows a lot of people. | 09:34 |
| eleitl | what is your core activities right now, skdb? | 09:35 |
| kanzure | yes | 09:35 |
| Martyn | Okay, back online | 09:35 |
| kanzure | http://openmanufacturing.org/ has some videos | 09:35 |
| kanzure | eleitl: i'm putting together a co-op for skdb/hardware package maintainers in different hackerspaces | 09:35 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Create a .sldpart file with blank data | 09:36 |
| eleitl | unfortunately the first hit is the serial killers database, with Jeffrey Dahmer #2 :) | 09:36 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Minimal set | 09:36 |
| kanzure | eleitl: yeah i'm pretty terrible at naming things | 09:36 |
| kanzure | Martyn: i think i have one of those somewhere. | 09:36 |
| kanzure | eleitl: the name of the co-op though is http://gnusha.org/ | 09:36 |
| Martyn | if you don't, I can make you one (sldworks 2010 though) | 09:36 |
| eleitl | you can move to #1 with no issues, with a few judicious link placements. | 09:36 |
| kanzure | yep | 09:36 |
| eleitl | so try making SKDB your project for funding. | 09:37 |
| kanzure | just need to find out where to dump the backlinks | 09:37 |
| eleitl | the nano people could be interested, and Peterson seems to be highly interested in rapid prototyping and reprap area as well. | 09:37 |
| eleitl | you probably do not a lot of money to start, right? what is your monthly burn rate right now? | 09:38 |
| kanzure | burning $800/mo | 09:38 |
| kanzure | i don't need much, nope | 09:38 |
| eleitl | that looks reasonably easy to get funded. If people see they're getting results, followup should be also possible. | 09:39 |
| kanzure | (most of that is rent- the rest is utility bills) | 09:39 |
| eleitl | whops, need for afk for 30 min, or so. bbl. | 09:39 |
| kanzure | ok. the problem i keep running into is people tell me they want to give me money, and they never do | 09:40 |
| kanzure | alex lightman. dan stoicescu. andrew hessel. | 09:40 |
| Martyn | Also yesterday Ratha, Matt, Les, myself and kanzure got together for lunch. We're going to get MakerPlace started first week of January | 09:41 |
| eleitl | you need a structured pitch. afk. | 09:41 |
| kanzure | wtf is makerplace? | 09:41 |
| Martyn | kanzure : That's the business name for what we three had planned. | 09:41 |
| Martyn | well "name" | 09:41 |
| Martyn | It's just the working title we were originally using | 09:41 |
| kanzure | eleitl: when you get back, maybe you can help me with the pitch. i'll send the typical pitch email that i've been using | 09:42 |
| eleitl | back for 20 min | 10:24 |
| eleitl | you should describe a well-defined project for a specific duration, and ask for funding for it. | 10:25 |
| eleitl | make milestones, and what the result would be. make a kind of report, and deliver it for the guy/gal who gave you money. | 10:26 |
| eleitl | there's no way to add atomically accurate descriptors to skdb, right? | 10:26 |
| eleitl | no way = no easy way | 10:26 |
| eleitl | best pitch should be person on person. The shorter you can make it, the better. The more targeted you can make it, the better. | 10:28 |
| kanzure | there's a list of "low hanging fruit projects" that we can attack | 10:31 |
| kanzure | but nobody is interested in the low hanging fruit it seems :( | 10:31 |
| eleitl | it will be very frustrating, but you must just keep on trying. | 10:32 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:33 |
| eleitl | the best chances are person on person. work your way through your network. | 10:33 |
| eleitl | get a list of names from Peterson, get those in your area and try to arrange a pitch opportunity. | 10:33 |
| eleitl | you're asking for some 5-10 kUSD, I presume, to pay for 6-12 months of your time. | 10:34 |
| kanzure | that much money would probably go longer | 10:34 |
| kanzure | but yes that's about the right amount | 10:34 |
| eleitl | I wouldn't ask for less than 5 kUSD. | 10:35 |
| eleitl | is there a way to expand SKDB for parts with atomic coordinates? | 10:35 |
| eleitl | just making the internal coordinate system resolve ~pm or less should be enough. | 10:36 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:36 |
| kanzure | but i can't do picometer-scale work right now | 10:36 |
| kanzure | i mean, we can put in as much nano and subnanotech as we want | 10:36 |
| kanzure | but what use is it if we can't confirm/validate it? | 10:36 |
| eleitl | no, but some 0.1 pm is enough resolution to describe the parts later. | 10:36 |
| eleitl | you can just define blocks with atomically accurate attachment points. How much work is it? | 10:37 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer1 already has some python classes to do that | 10:37 |
| kanzure | i think it's a matter of copy and paste? | 10:37 |
| eleitl | if it's possible, tell Petersen you want to expand SKDB for molecular manufacturing/machine phase usage | 10:38 |
| kanzure | would that get her interested? | 10:38 |
| eleitl | not sure. It's worth a try, since it bridges the macro and the nanoscale fabbing. | 10:38 |
| eleitl | Maybe there are other people interested to see this implemented in a apt-get for matter metaphor. | 10:39 |
| kanzure | tons of people are interested, but never anyone with money :) | 10:39 |
| kanzure | anyway i'm about to hit send on the peterson email | 10:39 |
| kanzure | anything else i should add in there? | 10:39 |
| eleitl | can I see the email before you send it? eleitl@gmail.com or eugen@leitl.org | 10:39 |
| kanzure | okay | 10:40 |
| eleitl | I need to leave in 5 min. I'll give you feedback as soon as I can see it. | 10:41 |
| kanzure | email sent. get to it whenever :) we're all way too busy | 10:41 |
| fenn | busy busy busy | 10:42 |
| kanzure | hi fenn | 10:43 |
| eleitl | sounds good. do it. probably won't work, but do it anyway. | 10:43 |
| kanzure | what won't work? | 10:43 |
| eleitl | petersen won't give you money, but she might give you a list of people. Ask her for a list of people in the email. | 10:43 |
| kanzure | yep did that | 10:43 |
| eleitl | right, right at the top. | 10:43 |
| eleitl | excellent. /me is keeping all digits crossed for you | 10:44 |
| eleitl | okay, I'm away for another 30 min. catch you later. afk. | 10:44 |
| Martyn | kanzure : picometer resolution is too small anyway, nanometer is sufficient for most atomic scale work | 10:48 |
| * kanzure nods | 10:49 | |
| kanzure | Martyn: are you familiar with drexler, merkle, and freitas' work in this area? | 10:49 |
| Martyn | eleitl : I just looked up what a picometer -is-, and somehow I don't see humanity working on the quark scale in my lifetime | 10:49 |
| kanzure | Martyn: freitas wrote one of my favorite books on kinematic self-replicating machines: http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM.htm | 10:49 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Only in passing. | 10:50 |
| kanzure | interestingly he hosts it on a domain "molecular assembler" even though the amajoriyt of the book is not about molecular assemblers | 10:50 |
| kanzure | *majority | 10:50 |
| Martyn | eleitl : Also, there are problems in nanotech "quantum scale" manufacturing that simply don't exist at the macro level. I actually don't think there is a good "unified theory of assembly" for both macro and quantum scale devices | 10:51 |
| kanzure | Martyn: eugen is probably more interested in molecular manufacturing | 10:51 |
| Martyn | yeah | 10:51 |
| kanzure | i think the keyword here is "diamondoid synthesis" which isn't quantum (right?) | 10:52 |
| kanzure | technologiclee1: this is your area buddy, feel free to start ranting | 10:52 |
| Martyn | which .. ironically enough .. requires some of the largest machines in the world :) | 10:52 |
| Martyn | kanzure : It still suffers from quantum effects | 10:52 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen the simulations yet | 10:52 |
| kanzure | can you elaborate? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | this isn't my fortay- i'm with you, i prefer to start small (and by that i mean big) and eat some low hanging fruit | 10:52 |
| Martyn | back in a bit .. I need to drive to work to attend a meeting, then back home | 10:52 |
| kanzure | but i might as well learn some more about it | 10:53 |
| kanzure | yeah i've done that before. 1h bus drive, 1h meeting, 1h bus ride back | 10:53 |
| Martyn | Heh.. this is why I repaired and own a car | 10:53 |
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| kanzure | so he doesn't use screen | 10:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: anything new? | 11:03 |
| kanzure | "open source robot arm by oomlout" http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:387 | 11:08 |
| eleitl | back | 11:15 |
| kanzure | hope the email was good (be honest) | 11:16 |
| eleitl | the email sounded good to me, but then I'm not necessarily the right person to ask. | 11:16 |
| eleitl | I've never had to pitch much/had a pitch that actually worked. | 11:16 |
| kanzure | are you self-funding your cryonics-europe work? | 11:17 |
| eleitl | we're buying stuff from membership fees, and donations. we're well in excess of our requirements. | 11:17 |
| eleitl | we raised 10 kEUR, we only need about 3 kEUR. | 11:17 |
| eleitl | so far I've blown about 1 kEUR on perfusion packs to last for a decade, and got a roller pump. | 11:18 |
| eleitl | the Martyn guy has gone for good? | 11:19 |
| kanzure | nah he'll be back | 11:19 |
| eleitl | just wanted to set him straight with his questions | 11:19 |
| kanzure | please go ahead | 11:19 |
| eleitl | his mistake is that 0.1 pm resolution is more than you need for nanoscale. In practice, current AFMs already achieve 0.1 pm resolution. | 11:21 |
| eleitl | you need to position atoms accurately. Arguably 0.1 pm is too coarse, and one should go for 0.01 pm. Assuming, you have enough resolution. | 11:21 |
| eleitl | Floats are not enough resolution arguably. 64 bit or 128 bit integers, or scaled integers. | 11:22 |
| eleitl | he also looks for a "unified theory" for manufacturing. | 11:22 |
| kanzure | why do you need to place the atoms precisely? i thought the idea was to have nanotech tooltips that do this for you | 11:22 |
| fenn | eleitl: i think the whole resolution issue is a red herring. the real distinction is whether you define parts by dimensions or procedurally (how to make it, algorithmically) | 11:24 |
| eleitl | the question is not about placement, the issue is describing atomic parts. If your translation resolution is limited to pm scale, that's too coarse. | 11:24 |
| eleitl | fenn, the requirements is having bulk parts and atomically precise parts (molecules) in the same description. | 11:24 |
| eleitl | how they are made is completely outside of scope for time being | 11:24 |
| kanzure | i thought this was the point: making? | 11:25 |
| fenn | i'm not going to write down the description 999 zillion identical molecules | 11:25 |
| fenn | of* | 11:25 |
| fenn | instead you say 'make 999 zillion of these, then glom them together like so' | 11:25 |
| eleitl | fenn, this is why I mentioned bulk above. Bulk meaning, "stuff" of dimensions. If you want to get fancy, use a unit cell and "iterate to fill a given volume" | 11:26 |
| eleitl | but bulk if perfectly fine for time being. If you can specify atomically precise points of attamechment. Bonds. | 11:26 |
| eleitl | realize that this has not been done before in any mainstream CAD. Nor in any NanoCAD. | 11:27 |
| fenn | i dont see why we can't just use existing molecular structure formats for this | 11:27 |
| fenn | maybe i dont understand the problem | 11:27 |
| eleitl | Because you really don't want to specify a 2 m object with .pdb | 11:27 |
| kanzure | in nanoengineer1 you specify bonds between objects | 11:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: me either | 11:28 |
| eleitl | the problem is that molecular scale can't deal with macroscale, and vice versa. | 11:28 |
| fenn | eleitl: can't i do space filling "iterate a unit cell" with pdb though? | 11:28 |
| eleitl | it's not part of .pdb format | 11:28 |
| eleitl | and it doesn't address the issue of "stuff" | 11:28 |
| fenn | what is "stuff" | 11:28 |
| eleitl | placeholder for an object of unspecified composition. deliberately unspecified. | 11:29 |
| * fenn wonders if this is a language issue | 11:29 | |
| eleitl | specified dimensions, with atomic points of attachment. | 11:29 |
| fenn | if you don't define what it's made of, how can you know where its bonds will be? | 11:29 |
| fenn | different atom types aren't interchangeable | 11:30 |
| eleitl | basically, this is an issue of having enough coordinate resolution and the system understanding molecular objects + vanilla CAD. | 11:30 |
| eleitl | fenn, you're in premature optimization mode. | 11:30 |
| eleitl | trust me, you'll need this. | 11:30 |
| eleitl | if you want a specific example, "covalently modify an AFM tip with -COOH group". | 11:31 |
| fenn | eleitl: do you know what CAM is? (computer aided manufacturing) | 11:31 |
| eleitl | fenn: yes | 11:31 |
| fenn | one possible interpretation of what you might be saying, sounds like a simple application of CAM to molecular assemblers | 11:32 |
| fenn | but that doesn't really have anything to do with file formats | 11:32 |
| eleitl | this is precisely the domain. But the nanoscale people don't speak macroscale, and vice versa. | 11:32 |
| eleitl | you need a system that can handle both. | 11:32 |
| kanzure | what do you mean "handle" | 11:32 |
| kanzure | what would "handling" imply | 11:33 |
| eleitl | at the very least represent. I realize you want constructor operations, too. | 11:33 |
| kanzure | AFM tip with a functional group attached, so what? | 11:33 |
| eleitl | try to build one in AutoCAD, kanzure. | 11:33 |
| kanzure | why would i? | 11:33 |
| kanzure | er | 11:34 |
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| fenn | also perhaps i'm "in premature optimization mode" again, but there's no way to store atomically precise coordinates of a 2 cubic meter object in less volume than 2 cubic meters (excludinge ultradense or exotic matter) so you *have* to describe it algorithmically anyway | 11:34 |
| kanzure | that's not something that i think i should be able to do in autocad | 11:34 |
| eleitl | fenn, now you have found a use for bulk. Congratulations. | 11:34 |
| fenn | gah | 11:34 |
| kanzure | eleitl: we're having trouble understanding you | 11:35 |
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| eleitl | I'm quite used to that | 11:35 |
| eleitl | I'll try to explain why you need this. | 11:35 |
| eleitl | There's a continuum from macroscale to nanoscale, and we're already using macroscale objects which have nanoscale components. | 11:36 |
| eleitl | This will enter fabrication shortly. You need a system in order to describe and especially have a constructive description, to automate contruction. | 11:36 |
| fenn | is a VLSI IC a "bulk" object? | 11:37 |
| eleitl | Such a system does not exist yet. You're at the right time and place to be able to get it in cheaply. | 11:37 |
| fenn | crap that's still ambiguous | 11:37 |
| fenn | say we have a chip that's atomically precise, i can see it with my eyes and hold it in my hand etc | 11:37 |
| eleitl | it can be, fenn. You can of course descibe a piece of bulk as composite. | 11:37 |
| fenn | is that "bulk"? | 11:37 |
| eleitl | you don't want to describe a macroscale piece of silicon or whatever atomically. Theres' no point in it. | 11:38 |
| fenn | yes there is | 11:38 |
| fenn | you could have gates with quantum effects that depend on the number of atoms | 11:38 |
| eleitl | that is no longer a macroscale piece of silicon, but a molecular device which is attached to a macroscale piece of silicon. | 11:38 |
| kanzure | why is that different | 11:39 |
| fenn | epitaxial growth is atomically precise | 11:39 |
| fenn | that's part of why IC's are so friggin expensive - the need for a single huge crystal | 11:39 |
| eleitl | use a descriptor for bulk, and attach your device to it. Which can be as simple as specifiying objects of certain geometry and certain properties, and also attaching molecular or atomic parts. | 11:39 |
| eleitl | fenn, in crystallography you just use a "face" | 11:40 |
| eleitl | a wafer surface of a given face and treatment is quite enough. | 11:40 |
| kanzure | so you're talking about a mixed representation of nanoscale and macroscale objects, where we specify how to place things in particular areas? | 11:40 |
| fenn | is that "bulk"? even though it's atomically precise? | 11:40 |
| eleitl | of course the treatment changes the surface, but that is not important in production. | 11:41 |
| eleitl | yes, kanzure. | 11:41 |
| kanzure | so, make a wafer with some manufacturing process- like epitaxis, and then place on some molecules to functionalize different parts, might be one possible app? | 11:41 |
| kanzure | this doesn't sound like the original vision for molecular nanotechnology | 11:41 |
| eleitl | you can of course use a better representation, when you want to attach a group to a specific silicon atom | 11:41 |
| eleitl | kanzure, this is an internal representation format. If you need a vision, use drugs. | 11:42 |
| fenn | there's no difference between assembling a huge grid of silicon atoms and using a self-assembled crystal | 11:43 |
| eleitl | you can use a crystallographic descriptor, if you want to attach a group to a particular silicon atom, and want to make sure your crystal lattice is accurately described. | 11:43 |
| eleitl | fenn, are you having constructor operator issues, or what is the question? | 11:44 |
| fenn | i just dont see the point of differentiating between "bulk" and "molecular" | 11:44 |
| eleitl | so you want to represent phenol as bulk? | 11:45 |
| fenn | i just say "this is a silicon wafer, with such and such crystalline orientation" and i can make it several different ways | 11:45 |
| kanzure | 1 molar phenol is a reasonable representation, eleitl | 11:45 |
| eleitl | covalently attached phenol to a specific location isn't. | 11:46 |
| eleitl | single molecule. | 11:46 |
| eleitl | anyways, this is your party. You don't want to do it, you don't do it. I'm just here to suggest things. | 11:46 |
| fenn | i can define its dimensions down to the attometer but that doesn't mean all continuous values are possible to make (can't make a non integer number of atoms) | 11:47 |
| kanzure | well we're still not sure what "it" is, sorry | 11:47 |
| eleitl | fenn, you can have translational motion of one atomically accurate part past another. | 11:47 |
| kanzure | i can imagine creating a phenol object in my code, and saying it's at such-and-such location. what's the big deal? | 11:47 |
| eleitl | the big deal is that mature code bases for both types of objects exist. But not in the same system. Got it? | 11:48 |
| kanzure | ok, and putting them together does what? | 11:48 |
| eleitl | putting them together for a system today can allow it to go places beyond your wildest dreams. | 11:48 |
| fenn | i thought you were against all that vision stuff | 11:49 |
| eleitl | you wanted vision? here's your vision. | 11:49 |
| eleitl | want another useless suggestion? Put a voxel renderer in there. | 11:50 |
| fenn | how about we just use nano-engineer1 | 11:50 |
| eleitl | Jim van Ehr didn't want voxels in the original software. Strangely enough, years later they did put voxel rendering in. | 11:51 |
| eleitl | fenn, describe a 30 cm ball bearing with nano-engineer1. | 11:51 |
| eleitl | a particular ball bearing, with fingerprints and some rust. | 11:51 |
| fenn | it will take a few million years to type in, but doesn't seem theoretically impossible? | 11:52 |
| eleitl | you want this to run on a desktop PC today. | 11:52 |
| fenn | no i don't | 11:52 |
| kanzure | why not? | 11:52 |
| fenn | it's silly | 11:52 |
| eleitl | you won't, fine. I'm done. | 11:52 |
| fenn | they're not powerful enough | 11:52 |
| kanzure | eleitl: well, i'm interested | 11:52 |
| kanzure | eleitl: i don't think it would be hard to prototype some of this together | 11:53 |
| kanzure | of course, making sure it actually works is another story | 11:53 |
| kanzure | hm | 11:54 |
| eleitl | in practice you need just one thing at first: really high resolution for your objects | 11:54 |
| kanzure | you said 64bit floats wouldn't do it? | 11:54 |
| fenn | we can do arbitrary numbers of decimal points with yaml | 11:54 |
| eleitl | how large objects can you describe? something 100 km long? | 11:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:54 |
| eleitl | the problem with floats is that they're not equispaced resolution across the whole dynamic range | 11:55 |
| eleitl | you need to crunch the numbers to see how this will bite you. For all I know 64 bit floats *might* be enough. | 11:55 |
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| kanzure | right now you can also impossibly small objects | 11:57 |
| kanzure | maybe a good first step would be making sure it knows when a boundary representation model is too small to possibly exist | 11:57 |
| fenn | eleitl: do you want to use arbitrary precision arithmetic for all calculations? talk about premature optimization.. | 11:57 |
| eleitl | can you place a specific object at 0.01 pm position? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | eleitl: yes but unfortunately you can also do it at 1e-50 meter resolution :( | 11:58 |
| eleitl | most industrial CAD can't do it | 11:58 |
| eleitl | do you use 64 bit floats? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | we let python handle that | 11:58 |
| fenn | opencascade has an adjustable 'fuzz factor' which is set to 1e-7m by default | 11:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: i don't think opencascade should be used for atomically precise parts | 11:59 |
| fenn | i don't either | 11:59 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer1 had some python classes for some of this | 11:59 |
| kanzure | anyway it's worth investigating | 11:59 |
| fenn | i also dont understand why we have to do everything in some single huge simulation | 12:00 |
| kanzure | hm? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | what are you talking about? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | what simulation? | 12:00 |
| fenn | you can simulate some small 'unit' of crystal with chemistry tools, and you can simulate bulk objects with engineering tools | 12:00 |
| fenn | we dont have to do it at the same time | 12:00 |
| kanzure | i don't think we're talking about simulation | 12:01 |
| kanzure | we're just talking about representation | 12:01 |
| fenn | i mean once you characterize the crystal unit, you dont have to repeat that calculation a zillion times | 12:01 |
| eleitl | yes, fenn, you do have to handle both, but you'll figure that out the hard way. | 12:01 |
| fenn | eleitl: you are being misleading with all this bulk stuff | 12:01 |
| fenn | either it's a simple structure of repeating units or it's arbitrarily complex | 12:01 |
| fenn | which are you talking about? | 12:01 |
| eleitl | I have not been misleading. I have no control over your interpretation, of course. | 12:02 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: guess you are using pythonocc and opencascade | 12:02 |
| eleitl | fenn, describe an AFM tip with a particular pattern of covelent modifications. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: sadly, yes | 12:02 |
| kristianpaul | but ahve you check the licence of it jpmandon> kristianpaul, for opencascade ? | 12:02 |
| eleitl | covalent. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: what? rephrase please? | 12:02 |
| kanzure | jpmandon? | 12:03 |
| fenn | eleitl: and i cant do this with pdb? | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/ | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: sorry | 12:03 |
| eleitl | fenn: you can't do that with .pdb | 12:03 |
| fenn | why not? | 12:03 |
| * kristianpaul having troubles with clipboard | 12:03 | |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: "LGPL-like" | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | like.. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: yeah i know | 12:03 |
| eleitl | because an AFM tip is some ~mm scale. | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: ok | 12:03 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: it has always been a big issue, and preferably we will one day just rewrite opencascade | 12:03 |
| fenn | but we only care about the very tip | 12:03 |
| kanzure | pdb doesn't do repeating structures.. it just stores all of the data | 12:04 |
| eleitl | fenn, we want to descibe a macroscale part with a trillion tips. Which fill a large room. | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: have you tought about other software like pythonocc but based on GTS library wich is in python also | 12:04 |
| eleitl | But each part is modified, and differently. | 12:04 |
| fenn | and that's an algorithmic description | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | i think k3d uses it | 12:04 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: GTS is for meshes only, unfortunately that's not useful to us | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: :( | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: us, what else about meshes need? | 12:04 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: what? | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | you mean for parametrics | 12:04 |
| kanzure | parametric modeling is useful too yes | 12:04 |
| kanzure | meshes aren't solid geometry models | 12:05 |
| kanzure | they aren't even CSG | 12:05 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 12:05 |
| kristianpaul | well i dont understand well that topic, but i think i got the point | 12:05 |
| kristianpaul | general point* | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: ahve you tied opencasd? | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | have you tried* | 12:06 |
| Utopiah | (you probably all know that but I still found it pretty well done http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/ ) | 12:06 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: yes there's no way to convert data from openscad to anything more useful yet. just to meshes.. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | meshes aren't useful | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: i'm looking similar software to openscad | 12:07 |
| kristianpaul | do you have idea? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: have you tried heekscad? | 12:07 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: yup, i like and is opencascade again there !! : S | 12:07 |
| kristianpaul | but is easy to use | 12:07 |
| kristianpaul | blender is not was i'm looking for | 12:08 |
| kristianpaul | AOI wel... i can give a try... | 12:08 |
| kanzure | AOI is just more mesh stuff | 12:08 |
| kanzure | sorry :( | 12:08 |
| kristianpaul | :( | 12:08 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with heekscad? | 12:08 |
| kristianpaul | opencascade weird lgpl like licence | 12:09 |
| kristianpaul | but.. | 12:09 |
| kanzure | don't worry about that: we can always rewrite opencascade on our own | 12:09 |
| kanzure | and heekscad won't have to change much (it will probably look roughly the same) | 12:09 |
| kristianpaul | ok :) | 12:09 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: i was tring to compile you software that is in cvs | 12:09 |
| kristianpaul | i'm about | 12:09 |
| kanzure | hm that's interesting | 12:09 |
| kanzure | except i don't have a CVS repository | 12:09 |
| kanzure | so i'm very confused | 12:10 |
| kristianpaul | any recomendation? | 12:10 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 12:10 |
| kristianpaul | me too | 12:10 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 12:10 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/ ? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | yeah that's in git | 12:10 |
| fenn | Utopiah: i had the book version of "powers of ten" as a kid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cmlhfdxuY | 12:10 |
| kanzure | so you can run: sudo apt-get install git-core | 12:10 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: then run: git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git | 12:11 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: git ok, lets called cvs ;) | 12:11 |
| kristianpaul | yes i did | 12:11 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: check the file skdb/doc/installing | 12:11 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 12:11 |
| kanzure | it should list all of the steps for installing everything | 12:11 |
| Utopiah | fenn: no need to click, I remember ;) | 12:12 |
| Utopiah | (but I stil did :-# nearly magnetic) | 12:12 |
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| kanzure | hey KrisC | 12:44 |
| KrisC | happy Crimbo | 12:45 |
| KrisC | how goes the plotting and scheming? | 12:45 |
| KrisC | so I started in on the archived chat logs. This vacation hasn't given me the time expected. I got some DIYBIO questions. | 12:49 |
| KrisC | What can you make now, and what is your goal with the tech? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | hm.. can i make myself some lunch first? :/ i'll brb | 12:50 |
| KrisC | lol sure | 12:50 |
| KrisC | big questions | 12:51 |
| eleitl | what do you want to do KrisC? | 12:53 |
| KrisC | plastics from algae | 12:54 |
| KrisC | and paper | 12:54 |
| eleitl | algae is not a good match for plastics | 12:55 |
| KrisC | I know | 12:55 |
| kanzure | algae is quite doable on an amateur level though | 12:55 |
| KrisC | but it grows compactly | 12:55 |
| kanzure | i was growing neochloris for a while | 12:56 |
| eleitl | figuring out a hardy strain and according harvesting would be a good project | 12:56 |
| kanzure | had to keep track of ph, growth medium, etc. | 12:56 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:56 |
| eleitl | if you want to use algae as a source of energy then energy-efficient harvesting is surprisingly hard | 12:57 |
| kanzure | yep.. i was on a DARPA project for that | 12:57 |
| kanzure | and the professor didn't get that | 12:57 |
| kanzure | eleitl: did i ever show you the harvestor we designed? it was ridiculous | 12:57 |
| kanzure | it was a scaled-up microfluidic algae/water separator | 12:57 |
| eleitl | lipid-rich strains typically only make lipids when starving | 12:57 |
| eleitl | never knew you were into algae, kanzure. | 12:58 |
| kanzure | i'm everywhere :) | 12:58 |
| eleitl | you want something that floculates spontaneously, or can be skimmed. | 12:58 |
| eleitl | careful with the trades, jack. | 12:58 |
| KrisC | by all means, if you have a better idea for a home-grown 3D print stock... | 12:59 |
| KrisC | (*cough* hemp) | 12:59 |
| eleitl | what have we here, hempen hempen | 13:00 |
| eleitl | here will I never thread nor stampen | 13:00 |
| kanzure | eleitl: we have http://utex.org/ here in austin | 13:00 |
| kanzure | largest algae collection in the world | 13:00 |
| kanzure | i wanted to do some genetic engineering to make the algae kindly give up their lipids when we ask them | 13:01 |
| kanzure | DARPA said no genetic engineering :/ | 13:01 |
| eleitl | do you have any lakes or eutrophied lagoons in the area? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | no, we were going to use shrimp ponds | 13:01 |
| eleitl | in CA there's Salton sea | 13:01 |
| eleitl | shrimp ponds are good, a friend of mine wanted to do that in Thailand | 13:01 |
| eleitl | growing algae in fish/shrimp ponds | 13:02 |
| eleitl | is Max/Natasha in your area? | 13:02 |
| eleitl | I forget where they live. | 13:02 |
| kanzure | they live down the street | 13:03 |
| eleitl | have they invited you over? | 13:04 |
| kanzure | yeah we hang out from time to time | 13:04 |
| kanzure | :) | 13:04 |
| eleitl | I used to visit them on parties, in Marina del Rey. | 13:04 |
| kanzure | oddly enough i last saw natasha up in irvine, california a few weeks ago | 13:04 |
| kanzure | why doesn't max go to these conferences? | 13:05 |
| eleitl | at the event? | 13:05 |
| * kanzure nods | 13:05 | |
| eleitl | I have the impression Max is massively disillusioned with the whole transhumanism thing. As a movement, at least. | 13:05 |
| eleitl | He probably expected a lot more traction. It was a waste of his time. | 13:05 |
| eleitl | my impression, of course. Just ask him. | 13:06 |
| kanzure | no, i've talked with him | 13:06 |
| kanzure | that's basically my impression too | 13:06 |
| kanzure | he's also working on his latest book | 13:06 |
| eleitl | see, Drexler dropped out, too. | 13:07 |
| eleitl | a pity, actually. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | oh really? what happened with drexler? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | i met anders up in new york city a few months ago. he is pretty neat :) | 13:07 |
| kanzure | i keep wondering why freitas is focusing on nanotech these days.. his KSRM book really kicked ass, and it needs him | 13:08 |
| eleitl | I last saw Anders in Milan, Italy. That was in November? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:08 |
| eleitl | the whole nano thing is curious. It is not very efficient, to say the least. | 13:08 |
| eleitl | Perry Metzger has been doing a lot of nano lately. He's in NYC. | 13:09 |
| eleitl | What he said so far does not inspire me with confidence. | 13:09 |
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| eleitl | kanzure, how old are you, 19? | 13:20 |
| kanzure | eleitl: yes | 13:21 |
| kanzure | 20 on 2010-01-04 | 13:21 |
| eleitl | do you want to study, or do you want to try things outside of the ivory tower? | 13:21 |
| kanzure | i'm taking a break from the ivory tower right now | 13:21 |
| eleitl | do you want to come back from the break? degree or no degree? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | i may come back one day in the future. not right now. | 13:22 |
| KrisC | happy early birthday | 13:22 |
| kanzure | thanks KrisC | 13:22 |
| KrisC | so what are you working on now? | 13:23 |
| eleitl | it is a decision of sorts. If you stay outside, you can go the enterpreneur route. | 13:23 |
| kanzure | eleitl: that's what i'm doing right now | 13:23 |
| kanzure | KrisC: too many things to count, i'm sorry i haven't given you a direct answer | 13:24 |
| eleitl | can you give me a full dump, or is this secret? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | KrisC: http://gnusha.org/ is the latest | 13:24 |
| kanzure | eleitl: no it's not secret. the full dump is that i'm not taking classes next semester so i can focus on skdb and so on | 13:24 |
| eleitl | brb, got to get the kid to bed | 13:24 |
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| kanzure | KrisC: i guess the latest that i've been working on is the website front-end to skdb | 13:28 |
| KrisC | I considered ganesha, and several variants, for my site name | 13:29 |
| kanzure | hah :) | 13:29 |
| KrisC | "remover of barriers" | 13:29 |
| kanzure | gnusha is the hardware co-op idea, where skdb package maintainers infiltrate.. er.. hang out at hackerspaces around the world to help maintain open source hardware projects, build cool stuff | 13:29 |
| kanzure | profits and revenue from running a machine at some spot go into local overhead but also back into the co-op in general to buy more tools, improve performance, etc. | 13:30 |
| KrisC | very cool, how many operatives do you have in the field? | 13:31 |
| kanzure | haha :) | 13:31 |
| kanzure | right now i guess we have fenn and ybit, but there's more that don't know it yet | 13:31 |
| kanzure | "sleeper agents" :) | 13:31 |
| KrisC | haha, yeah, a lot of my people don't know that they are working for me | 13:32 |
| kanzure | what i need to be doing is writing technical documentation | 13:32 |
| kanzure | blah | 13:32 |
| kanzure | ybit: how's the .deb coming along? | 13:32 |
| kanzure | this is going to become like a classic catch phrase or something. jeebus.. | 13:33 |
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| kanzure | hey areyna3 | 14:23 |
| eleitl | http://www.serialkillerdatabase.net/jeffreydahmer.html <-- nice favicon | 14:36 |
| eleitl | http://www.steorn.com/skdb/ <-- jesus fuck, did you plan this? | 14:36 |
| kanzure | no :( | 14:37 |
| eleitl | you probably couldn't have done this if you planned this. | 14:37 |
| eleitl | we need to fix this somewhat soon. | 14:37 |
| eleitl | unfortunately, I don't currently have high-Googlejuice sites | 14:38 |
| kanzure | i have some link spamming tools i wrote | 14:38 |
| eleitl | just a few external links would do. No need to spam anything. | 14:39 |
| kanzure | the main problem is that the dokuwiki skdb page doesn't even show up in the first 100 google search results | 14:39 |
| kanzure | we link to it constantly though | 14:39 |
| kanzure | so it's peculiar. | 14:39 |
| eleitl | remarkable. I just looked at my bank account, and there's money there. A regular miracle. | 14:50 |
| eleitl | not going to last, of course. | 14:50 |
| ybit | kanzure: it hasn't been touched since the last tim we talked, i keep getting distracted with work, stupid traditions around this of the year, family get togethers, xmonad, unbricking my router, the farm, sata drive issues, and interesting papers that i keep finding | 14:50 |
| ybit | hi eleitl, heath matlock here | 14:51 |
| eleitl | hi heath! /me waves | 14:51 |
| * kanzure just cleaned up http://designfiles.org/ | 14:51 | |
| kanzure | maybe i'll put a web page there? | 14:51 |
| kanzure | just threw everything miscellaneous into http://designfiles.org/~bryan/ | 14:51 |
| kanzure | it's on a university connection, and i can give it some juicy links from .edu sites | 14:51 |
| ybit | er | 14:51 |
| ybit | ah | 14:52 |
| * ybit was looking at http://designfiles.com/~bryan/ | 14:52 | |
| eleitl | very nice. Do you have a tarball of http://designfiles.org/papers/ ? | 14:53 |
| kanzure | eleitl: this might be faster: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ | 14:53 |
| ybit | my goal is to have the sata issues resolved and it would be nice to have the h+ archive and .deb ready for new year's | 14:53 |
| ybit | if not, slap me with a trout | 14:54 |
| eleitl | your SATA disks are on the fritz? | 14:54 |
| ybit | my computer just isn't recognizing it | 14:54 |
| eleitl | sounds like a bad disk | 14:54 |
| ybit | well, it is, but it's saying that the connection is down or something, i'll have to get the logs | 14:54 |
| ybit | i sent my 1tb drive to bryan and he and fenn were uploading all their stuff on it | 14:55 |
| ybit | did it so i wouldn't be raping their server and hogging their bandwidth | 14:55 |
| eleitl | 1 TByte traffic is cheap these days. Around 13 EUR. | 14:55 |
| kanzure | eleitl: there's an archive of the microfluidics subset: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip | 14:55 |
| ybit | next thing is to rape your server eleitl and also add papers from bio.cc and papers that have superkuh has | 14:55 |
| ybit | -have | 14:56 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure there was a .tar.gz somewhere around here.. hrm.. | 14:56 |
| eleitl | feel free to rape my server | 14:56 |
| kanzure | how kind of you | 14:56 |
| eleitl | there will be some downtime around turn of the year, need to renumber the network, install new firewall. | 14:57 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/m385de36c | 14:59 |
| ybit | that's what i'm faced with the sata drive | 14:59 |
| kanzure | eleitl: christine suggested a guy named "josh hall" ? | 14:59 |
| eleitl | JoSH | 14:59 |
| eleitl | John Storrs Hall, IIRC. | 14:59 |
| eleitl | the SATA codes don't tell me much. Can you stick the drive into a different system? | 15:00 |
| eleitl | What does BIOS say on reboot? smartmontools? | 15:00 |
| kanzure | hm lots of fancy names on this page: http://foresight.org/conf2010/ | 15:03 |
| kanzure | hod lipson too? | 15:03 |
| eleitl | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=SStatus+FFFFFFFF+SControl+FFFFFFFF&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=52e8f388e5caca67 <-- did you try? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | oh it's just the typical crew | 15:03 |
| eleitl | I'm not sure how many of them will give you money. Asking JoSH doesn't hurt. | 15:05 |
| eleitl | Freitas and Merkle won't. | 15:05 |
| kanzure | i didn't know they had any money | 15:06 |
| kanzure | i would gladly work for freitas for free | 15:06 |
| eleitl | that's why they won't -- they don't. At least not 5-10 kUSD to random strangers. | 15:06 |
| kanzure | wtf | 15:06 |
| kanzure | one of their topics is "open source in manufacturing" | 15:06 |
| kanzure | how can they be talking about open source in manufacturing without any open manufacturing people? | 15:07 |
| eleitl | just write to Freitas, then. | 15:07 |
| eleitl | at the rate IPv4 address space is going I better secure me another /24 | 15:08 |
| eleitl | there's gold in thar them hills | 15:08 |
| kanzure | oh i guess they can claim that hod is there for the 'open manufacturing' part | 15:10 |
| kanzure | meh | 15:10 |
| eleitl | who is that hod fellow? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | hod lipson is my professor's arch nemesis | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://fabathome.org/ | 15:10 |
| kanzure | hod and matt do automated design | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.mae.cornell.edu/Lipson/ | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.me.utexas.edu/~campbell/index.htm | 15:11 |
| eleitl | right, have seen some of his stuff before. | 15:12 |
| ybit | 10:52 < kanzure> i think the keyword here is "diamondoid synthesis" which isn't quantum (right?) | 15:12 |
| ybit | diamondoid made me chuckle | 15:12 |
| * ybit is reading the log | 15:12 | |
| eleitl | adamantane, diamantane | 15:12 |
| kanzure | diamond mechanosynthesis is what i meant :) | 15:13 |
| eleitl | perfectly cromulent words | 15:13 |
| eleitl | graphene | 15:13 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/graphene.html ? | 15:13 |
| kanzure | heh the ads on the page are relevant \o/ | 15:14 |
| eleitl | there are ads on the page? ;) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | bottom | 15:14 |
| kanzure | meh | 15:14 |
| ybit | last time i talked with hod, he was pushing hard the fab@home machine | 15:15 |
| kanzure | hey where did this come from? | 15:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/afpip/?sort=new | 15:15 |
| kanzure | "huh. it would be neat if it could integrate with a lot of different online stores automatically finding you the cheapest foobar. | 15:16 |
| kanzure | i wouldn't have expected reddit to be the right crowd | 15:16 |
| eleitl | I didn't submit it for sure. | 15:16 |
| eleitl | reddit can vary. /me has 13 k comment karma | 15:16 |
| eleitl | kanzure 0 points1 point2 points 35 seconds ago[-] | 15:18 |
| kanzure | hm? | 15:19 |
| ybit | i know you guys are working with what you have in austin, but paying rent seems like a waste of money | 15:19 |
| ybit | would be nice if you had, say, 37 acres to start building whatever you needed | 15:19 |
| kanzure | i don't think so, ybit | 15:19 |
| ybit | :) | 15:19 |
| kanzure | if i'm moving, i'm moving to the bay area | 15:19 |
| eleitl | bay area still good for technology things? | 15:20 |
| ybit | too bad my land is based in the heart of the bible belt, but like i was telling jeremiah last night, i've been vocal recently about personal manufacturing to locals here, and there are quite a lot of people that get excited | 15:20 |
| eleitl | land is good. keep it. | 15:21 |
| kanzure | eleitl: bay area has the critical mass of people | 15:21 |
| ybit | we start leveling the land this weekend | 15:21 |
| ybit | the kind that know what are going on, less time needed in changing minds | 15:21 |
| eleitl | bay area might start losing people. But, who knows. | 15:21 |
| kanzure | eleitl: we're setting up a hackerspace in the austin area | 15:22 |
| eleitl | if you want to actually make things happening, Bay Area might be the wrong location. But, I'm the wrong person to ask. | 15:22 |
| kanzure | and ybit is concerned that i'm wasting money if i help pay the rent | 15:22 |
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| eleitl | no idea. I'm more than twice your age, and I went back to Germany, so I'm pretty much opposite polarity. | 15:23 |
| eleitl | if I was young and single I'd probably go East. Way East. | 15:23 |
| kanzure | ah you were out of germany for a while? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | hey wait | 15:23 |
| kanzure | you ran wta for a while? | 15:23 |
| ybit | i'm just concerned that the money spent on rent isn't helping you build infrastructure in the most efficient manner, i.e. you could lose that building | 15:23 |
| kanzure | what the fuck is wrong with this org, eugen? | 15:23 |
| eleitl | I lived two years in SoCal, working for 21CM and CCR. | 15:23 |
| kanzure | it listed you as a former executive director of WTA | 15:24 |
| kanzure | just something i remember reading somewhere | 15:24 |
| eleitl | forget WTA, it's dead, Dead, DEAD. | 15:24 |
| kanzure | yeah i know | 15:24 |
| kanzure | but still, what happened | 15:24 |
| kanzure | and how can i make sure that doesn't happen again | 15:24 |
| * ybit is curious as well | 15:24 | |
| ybit | news to me | 15:24 |
| eleitl | it's mostly politics, and takeover of an org, and then everybody dropping their balls. | 15:25 |
| eleitl | human nature. | 15:25 |
| ybit | good thing i'm transhuman and tape my balls? | 15:26 |
| * eleitl is transsimian | 15:26 | |
| ybit | this is the time someone slaps me with a trout on irc | 15:26 |
| eleitl | kanzure, if you have something nice going, then people come and will try to take over. | 15:26 |
| ybit | eleitl has a point | 15:27 |
| eleitl | so, either don't try to have something nice going, or prepare for that eventuality | 15:27 |
| eleitl | at this point, I'm just trying to have a functional group of people doing local cryonics | 15:28 |
| eleitl | as far as I can see, this is not going to happen | 15:28 |
| ybit | fenn: are you back in austin? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | no fenn is not back | 15:28 |
| eleitl | so far, entire transhumanism was a completely wasted effort on my part | 15:29 |
| ybit | entire h+? are you saying you were spread out too thin on many projects? | 15:29 |
| eleitl | you don't seem to be making that mistake, kanzure. Good for you. | 15:29 |
| eleitl | Having actual projects is good. Just talking with people is bad. Nothing will come out of it. | 15:30 |
| ybit | or thinking too far into the future and not being practical | 15:30 |
| eleitl | So, raise money, do real things, don't bother with blah blah. | 15:30 |
| kanzure | eleitl: i've learned that the rule is that "people suck" | 15:30 |
| eleitl | some even swallow. | 15:30 |
| kanzure | if you ask her nicely | 15:31 |
| ybit | unless she's into bdsm | 15:31 |
| xp_prg | you guys are going to shit on yourselves when you hear what I am going to get to do tonight | 15:32 |
| kanzure | that's the second time you've mentioned that | 15:32 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: go away | 15:32 |
| ybit | anyone had experience with the issues i'm having with my sata drive, guess i can ask in ##linux | 15:32 |
| ybit | or #hardware | 15:32 |
| kanzure | ##linux will know. | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | eleitl: i still can't figure out who todd is. he's everywhere i go. | 15:33 |
| kanzure | and he always has plenty of women hanging off of him | 15:33 |
| xp_prg | I am going to lively labs where they are going to allow memberships to use all their equipment patent free in a "collabratory" | 15:33 |
| kanzure | yes we know about livly | 15:33 |
| eleitl | todd spent a night at our home. | 15:33 |
| xp_prg | he is going to help me with my bioprinting stuff too | 15:33 |
| kanzure | john scholndorn is into longevity and anti-cancer stuff | 15:33 |
| kanzure | john or michael? | 15:33 |
| eleitl | so, he is everywhere :) | 15:33 |
| xp_prg | I will be talking with John tonight | 15:34 |
| eleitl | we met at the Oxford whole brain emulation thing. | 15:34 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: say hi to john for me | 15:34 |
| kanzure | eleitl: a society of neuroscience meetup? | 15:34 |
| xp_prg | ok, is that not cool?! | 15:34 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: no, because you're wasting john's time | 15:34 |
| xp_prg | no I am not! | 15:34 |
| kanzure | please go away | 15:34 |
| xp_prg | I am working on a project with Drew Endy bitch | 15:35 |
| kanzure | hahaha | 15:35 |
| xp_prg | get over yourself | 15:35 |
| eleitl | that uehiro event which resulted in http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/3853/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 15:35 |
| xp_prg | he came and talked at my bio group | 15:35 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry, i can't stop laughing over here. it hurts. | 15:35 |
| xp_prg | what else would I have to do to get your respect? | 15:36 |
| kanzure | go the fuck away and never come back | 15:36 |
| xp_prg | everyone else thinks it is cool what I am doing | 15:36 |
| kanzure | you don't learn | 15:36 |
| kanzure | you make everyone do your work for you | 15:36 |
| xp_prg | except when I don't :> | 15:36 |
| kanzure | and frankly i've known you for over a year and you haven't changed | 15:36 |
| kanzure | go away | 15:36 |
| xp_prg | getting Drew Endy to come talk at my bio group is nothing? | 15:36 |
| xp_prg | I give up on your stupid ass then | 15:37 |
| kanzure | please do | 15:37 |
| eleitl | time to hit the sack. you take care, guys. | 15:38 |
| ybit | john is into longevity, i stalked him before speaking with him at h+ | 15:38 |
| ybit | summit | 15:38 |
| eleitl | good night. | 15:39 |
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| ybit | 15:35 < xp_prg> I am working on a project with Drew Endy bitch | 15:39 |
| ybit | lol, i think that sums up drew's work ;) | 15:39 |
| kanzure | john does a lot of stuff | 15:39 |
| xp_prg | you guys amaze me, he is the father of synthetic biology, you diss synbio? | 15:39 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: go away | 15:39 |
| xp_prg | why do you guys act the way you do, I will never understand it, oh well | 15:40 |
| kanzure | we've already told you | 15:41 |
| xp_prg | I kick names, and take ass all day long, nobody cares in here for some reason | 15:41 |
| kanzure | no you don't | 15:41 |
| kanzure | go away | 15:41 |
| xp_prg | I KICK ASS ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:43 |
| xp_prg | know this, learn this, love this :> | 15:43 |
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| KrisC | Kanzure, your wealth of links reminds me that their are not anough hours in a day | 15:50 |
| KrisC | there | 15:50 |
| ybit | xp_prg: this is highly related to your situation: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 15:50 |
| genehacker2 | there aren't | 15:50 |
| xp_prg | ybit I know this already thanks | 15:50 |
| genehacker2 | that's what space mirrors are for | 15:51 |
| KrisC | you know, they used to say (in classical Rome) that an educated man would be THOROUGHLY eductaed, knowledgable in every science | 15:52 |
| KrisC | at that was from some guy you paid on the street corner | 15:52 |
| genehacker2 | well the problem is science is getting too complex for polymath's these days | 15:53 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 15:53 |
| genehacker2 | how so? | 15:53 |
| genehacker2 | am I blinded by the every increasing specialization? | 15:54 |
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| kanzure | hey Spance3000 | 15:54 |
| Spance3000 | hello, kanzure | 15:54 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 15:54 |
| kanzure | where do you hail from on the webs? | 15:55 |
| ybit | manxo.me of course | 15:55 |
| Spance3000 | kanzure: reddit, you (or someone who stole your name!) invited me because of my sparkfun-apt-get joke | 15:55 |
| kanzure | oh yay | 15:55 |
| ybit | ah :) | 15:55 |
| kanzure | yep that was me | 15:55 |
| Spance3000 | and I now site your site involves legos and python. that's definitely enough to make me stick around for a while | 15:56 |
| * kanzure nods | 15:56 | |
| kanzure | legos + python is a geekgasm in of itself | 15:56 |
| genehacker2 | didn't know you were a redditor kanzure | 15:58 |
| kanzure | i'm not | 15:58 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 15:59 |
| Spance3000 | so someone DID steal your name! | 15:59 |
| kanzure | nope, that was me | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i just don't use reddit often | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing a redditor is some reddit addict or something? | 15:59 |
| genehacker2 | a user of reddit | 15:59 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: http://www.pearlbiotech.com in real life aplications what is this for if you know? | 16:00 |
| Spance3000 | I've got like 5 reddit accounts, that doesn't count as an addict, does it? | 16:00 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: it's a load of shit, ignore it | 16:00 |
| genehacker2 | 5 accounts? | 16:00 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 16:00 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: if you wanted a gel box, we'll show you how to cut one yourself | 16:00 |
| genehacker2 | yeah you might be an addict | 16:00 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: show ! | 16:01 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 16:01 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: did you see michael katsveman's gel box schematic generator? | 16:01 |
| kristianpaul | nope | 16:01 |
| kanzure | righto well that's a good place to start. let me dig | 16:01 |
| * kristianpaul googling | 16:01 | |
| ybit | any of those? http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=michael+katsevman+gel+box&btnG=Search&sitesearch= | 16:02 |
| * ybit didn't see it either | 16:02 | |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/f2ea1e440cc7258e | 16:02 |
| kanzure | it is detailed here: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/4f2b19be43ad649f/fb0cb0b7d6bf9b35?lnk=gst&q=electrophoresis.py#fb0cb0b7d6bf9b35 | 16:03 |
| ybit | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/4f2b19be43ad649f/fb0cb0b7d6bf9b35?q=michael+katsevman+gel+box#fb0cb0b7d6bf9b35 | 16:03 |
| kanzure | http://logarchy.org/electrophoresis.py | 16:03 |
| ybit | ah, yeah, that's it | 16:03 |
| kanzure | ybit: please note, i don't actually know how to spell his name | 16:03 |
| kanzure | "katsevman" is the correct way apparently | 16:03 |
| ybit | np, that's what google is for | 16:03 |
| Utopiah | (more about crowdsourcing http://www.openinnovators.net/list-open-innovation-crowdsourcing-examples/ ) | 16:04 |
| ybit | that's a nice little script | 16:05 |
| kanzure | ybit: haha i thought you knew about it? | 16:05 |
| ybit | nope, but thank you for pointing it out | 16:06 |
| kanzure | huh he's on the tsi-book-dev mailing list too | 16:06 |
| kanzure | that's right, he was into seasteading wasn't he? | 16:06 |
| ybit | i miss important emails often | 16:06 |
| xp_prg | kristianpaul I am assisting with fab of that product | 16:40 |
| xp_prg | I also assisted the initial designer with prototyping the approach | 16:41 |
| kanzure | tito didn't write that script, sorry xp_prg | 16:41 |
| xp_prg | I am talking about the hardware | 16:41 |
| kanzure | the $200 google sketchup mesh model? | 16:42 |
| xp_prg | ya | 16:42 |
| xp_prg | I am assisting him with lasering the acrylic | 16:42 |
| kanzure | i think you should go now | 16:42 |
| xp_prg | why? | 16:42 |
| xp_prg | ybit do you see why I get confused? | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | hello Martyn | 16:46 |
| xp_prg | kristianpaul it is possible to do electrophoresis without a "gel box" if you will | 16:46 |
| xp_prg | just in case your wondering | 16:46 |
| Martyn | well .. that took about 5 hours longer than I thought it would | 16:46 |
| Martyn | hi Tim | 16:46 |
| kanzure | oh god you know xp_prg | 16:46 |
| xp_prg | hi Martyn, do I know you? | 16:46 |
| Martyn | yes, yes you do. #noisebridge | 16:46 |
| kristianpaul | xp_prg: i dont if i want yet | 16:46 |
| xp_prg | oh wow cool | 16:47 |
| xp_prg | have we met personally? | 16:47 |
| xp_prg | remind me of you | 16:47 |
| * Martyn recounted the take of NoiseFridge last week | 16:47 | |
| Martyn | take/tale | 16:47 |
| xp_prg | hahahha! | 16:47 |
| xp_prg | that noisefridge is in the Tech Shop now! | 16:47 |
| Martyn | I'm aware .. Jim and I talked about it | 16:47 |
| xp_prg | oh cool! | 16:48 |
| Martyn | Heh. | 16:48 |
| Martyn | small world, anyway | 16:48 |
| xp_prg | you inti bio? | 16:49 |
| Martyn | kanzure : M C Howard electronics surplus is going out of business | 16:49 |
| Martyn | kanzure : That's the last electronics surplus store in Austin | 16:49 |
| Martyn | No more places to go root through racks and racks of old chips, parts, and components | 16:50 |
| kanzure | never heard of them | 16:50 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Google 'em. | 16:50 |
| Martyn | They are in the same fine tradition as Haltek and Wierd Stuff in San Francisco | 16:50 |
| Martyn | I think that's the PROBLEM... 35 years they have been in the same place, and it's a place hackers should have known about | 16:50 |
| Martyn | 9417 Neils Thomson Dr | 16:51 |
| kanzure | hm they don't have their address on their website | 16:51 |
| kanzure | aha | 16:51 |
| Martyn | xp_prg : http://www.igotu.com/hackthebadge www.linkedin.com/in/martinbogo | 16:51 |
| xp_prg | what can I do with hack the badge that I can't do with a regular arduino? | 16:53 |
| Martyn | xp_prg: we've been over this before. The last debate we had on it reached the limits of my patience as I recall. | 16:54 |
| xp_prg | I don't recall that ok | 16:55 |
| QuantumG | looks like a nice board | 16:58 |
| Martyn | It is! | 17:00 |
| Martyn | quite fun, and I'm down to the last 8 | 17:00 |
| Martyn | 7 actually .. someone from NL bought one today | 17:00 |
| KrisC | who paid to have christmas decorations flown to the ISS? | 17:12 |
| QuantumG | my bet is on the Japanese | 17:12 |
| KrisC | the Japanese astronaut does have the best hat | 17:13 |
| QuantumG | proof | 17:14 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/biohacker/ metabolic network debugger | 17:17 |
| QuantumG | Nada Amin, MIT, Dan Wheeler, MIT, Jeremy Zucker, MIT .. it must be useless :) | 17:20 |
| xp_prg | why does this use lisp and python? | 17:21 |
| kanzure | because they are academics | 17:21 |
| QuantumG | I think I just answered that question. | 17:21 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: nah, not unless tom knight is on the list :p | 17:21 |
| kanzure | although he doesn't recommend lisp much these days as it happens | 17:22 |
| QuantumG | We implemented the network debugger on top of a logic- | 17:22 |
| QuantumG | based truth maintenance system (LTMS) | 17:22 |
| kanzure | hah :) | 17:23 |
| QuantumG | ironically, I think this paper does do something useful | 17:23 |
| QuantumG | it demonstrates a practical use for EcoCyc | 17:24 |
| genehacker2 | what? Austin only had/has one surplus electronics store that's going out of business? | 17:28 |
| Martyn | yep | 17:28 |
| Martyn | thats about it | 17:28 |
| Martyn | Centex is gome | 17:28 |
| Martyn | gone, and now MC is closing | 17:28 |
| Martyn | leaving .. zero | 17:28 |
| xp_prg | lisp is a function based language and so is lisp, not clear why you would choose to use lisp as it is the exact same paradigm of programming languages | 17:29 |
| * genehacker2 hopes the local surplus store down here has the parts he needs for his latest project | 17:29 | |
| QuantumG | people use lisp because they're bigots or they love the "reflection" available in the language. | 17:30 |
| QuantumG | .. if you can call it a language. | 17:30 |
| QuantumG | languages have syntax | 17:30 |
| xp_prg | python does not have reflection? | 17:30 |
| QuantumG | not really | 17:31 |
| xp_prg | when you say reflection do you mean introspection? | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | ya | 17:31 |
| xp_prg | python has hasattr and is operators that allow for introspection just fine | 17:32 |
| xp_prg | you can also use repr and __class_ | 17:32 |
| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | blah, you can't walk code in python | 17:32 |
| xp_prg | what does it lack in that way? | 17:32 |
| xp_prg | walk code? | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | with lisp you can "introspect" the expressions that make up a function | 17:33 |
| xp_prg | hmm.... ya not sure if python can decompile code in that way | 17:33 |
| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clojure | 17:34 |
| xp_prg | you can discover if a class has an attribute or function however | 17:34 |
| xp_prg | not sure why that would be needed QuantumG, you want to get the actual code of a function for what purpose in runtime? | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | you'd have to ask a lisp advocate | 17:34 |
| xp_prg | it seems everyone is going python these days | 17:35 |
| xp_prg | QuantumG do you know python? | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | yes | 17:35 |
| xp_prg | want to help me with something kind of non-trivial I have been wanting to do? | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | and what "everyone" does is not a good way to choose a programming language ) | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | xp_prg is management material | 17:36 |
| xp_prg | I am? :> | 17:36 |
| kanzure | no | 17:36 |
| xp_prg | I am a developer :> | 17:36 |
| kanzure | get the fuck out | 17:36 |
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| QuantumG | http://iolanguage.com/ | 17:40 |
| xp_prg | QuantumG you want to help me or not? | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | no, fuck off | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | I don't want to "help" you with any of your projects | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | I thought I made that clear the last time you asked | 17:41 |
| xp_prg | wow ok | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | do your own work, christ | 17:41 |
| Martyn | Tim, you really do try people's patience. This isn't the first time. | 17:41 |
| Martyn | It's a personality thing. | 17:41 |
| kanzure | yes, listen to martyn, and then leave | 17:42 |
| xp_prg | I am not easily offended so everyone take a pill, I have nothing to prove | 17:42 |
| QuantumG | if you want people to help you with your projects, just tell people what you're doing, they'll offer if they're interested. | 17:42 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: we don't care if you're offended. just leave and go away | 17:43 |
| xp_prg | I don't want your help now, so don't worry about it | 17:43 |
| kanzure | great then you can leave | 17:43 |
| xp_prg | heh | 17:43 |
| Martyn | that wasn't a joke. | 17:44 |
| xp_prg | it is to me | 17:44 |
| xp_prg | makes me laugh | 17:44 |
| xp_prg | :> | 17:44 |
| genehacker2 | what color pills do you have | 17:45 |
| genehacker2 | I'll take the red pill | 17:45 |
| xp_prg | white ones | 17:45 |
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| QuantumG | >>>Augustine: "Relatively simple unguided artillery shells somehow demand literally thousands of test rounds, whereas a new intercontinental ballistic missile needs only a few handfuls of test flights to demonstrate its adequacy." | 17:46 |
| QuantumG | >>How many test flights do you think Space Ship Two will have before their first revenue flights? | 17:46 |
| QuantumG | >>I would guess closer to "handfuls" than "literally thousands". | 17:46 |
| QuantumG | >Depends how effective it is at stalling the media while the rocket dev schedule slips ;) | 17:46 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:46 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : They published the test flight schedule ... | 17:46 |
| Martyn | FAA has already approved the first four | 17:46 |
| Martyn | I think they are in a race against Bezos' thing .. Blue whatever | 17:47 |
| QuantumG | url? | 17:48 |
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| kanzure | hey blueshift | 17:50 |
| kanzure | hm are you genehacker? | 17:50 |
| QuantumG | Martyn: They published the test flight schedule <- got an url? | 17:53 |
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| Martyn | QuantumG : I'm not an investor, sadly. | 18:02 |
| Martyn | I think that Virgin Galactic is a -very- good investment | 18:02 |
| Martyn | since they have more private flights into space on record than any other company | 18:02 |
| QuantumG | oh, so by "published" you mean they didn't publish it? | 18:02 |
| Martyn | I mean they published it to their investors. | 18:02 |
| Martyn | I don't think they put it on their website .. but since they have to register the flights with the FAA, I assume it's in the public record | 18:02 |
| genehackerAFK | the step from orbital to suborbital is a bit of a jump though | 18:03 |
| Martyn | They previously published 4th quarter of '10 for the first testflight | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | genehackerAFK: read this? http://www.bristolspaceplanes.com/library/The_Aviation_Approach_to_Space_Transportation.pdf | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | apparently there's a path there. | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | no-one has walked it of course | 18:05 |
| genehackerAFK | awesome | 18:06 |
| genehackerAFK | now if we could only get a small orbital spaceplane... | 18:06 |
| genehackerAFK | though isn't the spaceplane route to space fairly expensive on a per kg basis? | 18:07 |
| QuantumG | the ideology at play here is fully reusable vehicles | 18:08 |
| genehackerAFK | though I guess it's still way cheaper than using big rockets | 18:08 |
| QuantumG | a 747 is pretty expensive, but you don't just use it once :) | 18:08 |
| genehackerAFK | good enough for launching cubesats | 18:08 |
| genehackerAFK | are all the rocket parts reusable and refuellable? | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | but the fact is, no-one knows if it can be done or not.. there's a whole lot of risk. | 18:09 |
| genehackerAFK | but the spaceplane route is easier to get man rated, now that's a pretty strong argument | 18:10 |
| QuantumG | its non-destructive to test too | 18:11 |
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| ybit | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@tinyos.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/tinyos login | 18:29 |
| ybit | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@tinyos.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/tinyos co -P tinyos-2.x-contrib/ecosensory/ | 18:29 |
| kanzure | i have never been able to get anonymous cvs to work with sourceforge | 18:30 |
| ybit | ..until now | 18:32 |
| ybit | john said he would create a schematic and send it my way | 18:34 |
| ybit | "That will show the flat flex connector, low power cut off FETs, muxes, analog switches | 18:34 |
| ybit | used to make 12 channel analog sensor board that is not published yet, except for the | 18:34 |
| ybit | TinyOS code I pointed you at before." | 18:34 |
| ybit | said it will be ready after xmas | 18:35 |
| kanzure | griessen? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | my internet connection is slow, don't expect me to visit links today | 18:36 |
| ybit | yeah, griessen | 18:44 |
| * ybit has to watch a movie tomorrow, luckily.. | 19:18 | |
| ybit | i get to pick it :) | 19:18 |
| ybit | in my mini quest for less boring, i found 'Science Ninja Team Gatchaman', just thought that was worth pointing out :P | 19:19 |
| ybit | it comes down to battle for terra, moon, and monsters versus aliens | 19:20 |
| ybit | will i watch any of it, probably not, but it will be more distracting and entertaining then another sports film about someone overcoming poverty or whatnot | 19:20 |
| kanzure | ugh... http://singinst.org/challenge | 19:26 |
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| kanzure | hey areyna3 | 20:57 |
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| areyna3 | what's up | 21:20 |
| kanzure | not much | 21:50 |
| ybit | hrm | 22:19 |
| ybit | 22:19 | |
| ybit | 2010 Art Theme: Metropolis | 22:19 |
| ybit | Tumult and change, churning cycles of invention and destruction - these forces generate the pulse of urban life. Great cities are organic, spontaneous, heterogeneous, and untidy hubs of social interaction. In 2010, we will inspect the daily course of city life and the future prospect of civilization. | 22:19 |
| ybit | ^ burning man's theme this coming year | 22:20 |
| genehackerAFK | I can't wait to see the destruction | 22:24 |
| ybit | foresight 2010, the synergy of agi and molecular manufacturing.. strange | 22:29 |
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| ybit | apparently martyn is a ranger ath burning man | 22:31 |
| ybit | first time to hear about this: http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/ | 22:37 |
| ybit | http://singularityhub.com/2009/12/22/a-review-of-the-best-robots-of-2009/ | 22:46 |
| ybit | cooking robots, that's pretty sweet | 22:46 |
| ybit | i'm giggling right now watching them prepare a dish | 22:47 |
| ybit | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/drl/wiki/index.php/The_Distributed_Robotics_Garden | 23:28 |
| ybit | the object recognition input data: http://people.csail.mit.edu/jieyunfu/ | 23:29 |
| ybit | they are looking at replacing or already have replaced the notebooks with pc104 chips | 23:29 |
| ybit | and a gps system for the plant pots | 23:30 |
| ybit | http://people.csail.mit.edu/nikolaus/drg/index.php/distributed-robotics-garden | 23:31 |
| ybit | google scholar needs notifications | 23:32 |
| * ybit wants to know when "Building a Distributed Robot Garden" is released | 23:33 | |
| ybit | not available online yet -> "The Robot in the Garden Telerobotics and Telepistemology in the Age of the Internet" | 23:36 |
| ybit | meh | 23:36 |
| ybit | http://www.google.com/books?id=zHfdepm-VOUC | 23:37 |
| ybit | http://www.easybloom.com/learn/overview.html :: "EasyBloom is a sensor that you can stuck into the earth close to a plant or where you would like to grow something. Various sensors then measure various parameters (temperature, light, humidity) that can be downloaded via USB after 24h. Recorded sensor data is then compared with the requirements of 5000+ plants on the EasyBloom website, which then tells you whether this spot is suitable for a particular | 23:41 |
| genehackerAFK | whoa | 23:47 |
| randallagordon | heh, interesting | 23:47 |
| genehackerAFK | ybit those nextage robots are amazing | 23:47 |
| randallagordon | I'm actually getting read to make something similar to the EasyBloom for my hydroponics setup using a Teensy | 23:47 |
| genehackerAFK | I wonder if they're actually inspecting the parts | 23:48 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.net/watercooled.jpg some SolidWorks eye candy for ya | 23:48 |
| genehackerAFK | DO SOME FEM | 23:48 |
| genehackerAFK | DO SOME FEM | 23:48 |
| ybit | the mit csail robots: "The robot base (iCreate), arm and notebook are held together by a acrylic rack that can be created using a laser cutter. The necessary files (CorelDraw) are available here" .cdr :\ | 23:49 |
| genehackerAFK | something's not quite right with that nozzle | 23:49 |
| ybit | randallagordon: are you now | 23:49 |
| ybit | i'm certainly interested in creating one of these myself | 23:49 |
| ybit | QuantumG: why solidworks again, i missed that conversation | 23:50 |
| genehackerAFK | QuantumG you got the deluxe version with fluid dynamics software? | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | nfi | 23:50 |
| genehackerAFK | ??? | 23:50 |
| ybit | no fucking idea | 23:50 |
| genehackerAFK | you got something called cosmoworks? | 23:51 |
| QuantumG | ya | 23:51 |
| genehackerAFK | damn | 23:51 |
| randallagordon | I want to do realtime pH, TDS and temperature monitoring, eventually serve it up AJAX style all pretty like with an embedded webserver...at least that's what the ambition of the moment states | 23:51 |
| genehackerAFK | http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/simulation-software-design-analysis.htm | 23:51 |
| QuantumG | I'm sure it's one of the 2000 features I haven't used yet | 23:52 |
| genehackerAFK | I'd try putting a pressure force in that part to get started | 23:52 |
| genehackerAFK | since you aren' | 23:53 |
| genehackerAFK | t simulating something real rubbery or in high detail it shouldn't take forever | 23:53 |
| genehackerAFK | to get you started with something practical I'll send you a test part you can play with | 23:57 |
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