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| genehackersolder | a pointy one | 00:03 |
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| genehackersolder | I guess you could call it spear like | 00:03 |
| drazak | no chisel tip, then | 00:06 |
| genehackersolder | no | 00:06 |
| genehackersolder | copper braid is proving ineffective | 00:08 |
| MrClif | Its usually slightly better at wicking up the last bit of solder, but you may have trouble getting it out of the through holes. | 00:09 |
| genehackersolder | it's a really tiny amount of solder holding it on | 00:10 |
| MrClif | Did you say there were two circuit boards that the part was connected to? | 00:10 |
| genehackersolder | yes | 00:11 |
| genehackersolder | two | 00:11 |
| MrClif | ah... | 00:11 |
| genehackersolder | I'm trying to desolder the first circuit board | 00:11 |
| genehackersolder | because I might be able to solder wires to the second | 00:11 |
| MrClif | Yes you should try to remove one board at a time, thats probably the only way to do it. | 00:12 |
| MrClif | if there are other components holding the boards together then that may be why you can't wiggle the part. | 00:13 |
| MrClif | Sorry I couldn't help more, but I need to check out for a while. Ciao... | 00:14 |
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| genehackersolder | I can't wiggle the board because it's so damn tiny | 00:17 |
| kanzure | dpkg-source: info: building pythonocc using existing pythonocc_0.3.orig.tar.gz | 00:26 |
| * kanzure twiddles his thumbs | 00:27 | |
| kanzure | wish it wouldn't hide output | 00:27 |
| genehackersolder | the saying "when in doubt dike it out" is true. | 00:30 |
| kanzure | huh .deb files can't contain .png files? | 00:42 |
| kanzure | "# You can't put binary files in the debian directory because they can't be properly encoded in the diff. You need to convert your file to something representable in the diff (like .xpm). " | 00:42 |
| * Trooem is drinking coca-cola | 00:46 | |
| QuantumG | full sugar? | 00:47 |
| Trooem | yup | 00:47 |
| Trooem | caffein helps me wake these lonesome nights... | 00:47 |
| Trooem | so much to do on the web :) | 00:47 |
| QuantumG | I switched to diet a year or so ago | 00:47 |
| kanzure | this is helpful: http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?p=78078&sid=59462e82ad1cf4da45c2bdad5fce30f1#78078 | 00:47 |
| Trooem | yeah i'd better do that before i clog my arteries with sugar or something.. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | ybit: i've made some modifications to the pythonocc source that make it easier to build a .deb | 00:50 |
| kanzure | i was wondering if you did the same yet, or if you would like my copy | 00:50 |
| genehackersolder | that hessel talk contains nothing of value | 01:00 |
| kanzure | oh boy.. yet more meshes. ugh http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~jrs/mesh/ | 01:01 |
| kanzure | thanks genehackersolder | 01:01 |
| kanzure | i didn't watch it. guess i won't now | 01:02 |
| * Trooem is thinking every coder themselves is a goldmine but they don't know it. | 01:12 | |
| QuantumG | I think ever coder thinks he's a goldmine | 01:12 |
| Trooem | ever or never? | 01:15 |
| QuantumG | every | 01:16 |
| Trooem | oh great | 01:16 |
| Trooem | you a coder QuantumG? | 01:16 |
| QuantumG | of course | 01:16 |
| Trooem | i guess this channel is about coders | 01:16 |
| QuantumG | not necessarily | 01:16 |
| Trooem | and people who are interested in hplus | 01:17 |
| Trooem | were you all invited by kanzure? | 01:17 |
| QuantumG | fairly large number of us yeah | 01:17 |
| Trooem | that's cool. kanzure's building a army. | 01:17 |
| QuantumG | that's what I hear. | 01:18 |
| Trooem | what would the age-range of most of us here? | 01:18 |
| Trooem | what would be... | 01:18 |
| Trooem | about 19 to 28? | 01:18 |
| QuantumG | I'm 33 apparently | 01:18 |
| Trooem | that's cool | 01:18 |
| Trooem | i'm 25... | 01:18 |
| QuantumG | neat | 01:19 |
| QuantumG | so what do you find interesting to have brought you here? | 01:19 |
| Trooem | well, i'm a marketer, i do advertising. | 01:19 |
| Trooem | so... i guess that's what i'm offering to the table. | 01:19 |
| QuantumG | doesn't explain why you're interested in sitting down at that table though | 01:20 |
| Trooem | anybody has a product, i have ways of effective and cheap advertising to get your things sold :) | 01:20 |
| Trooem | yes it doesn't. i'm interested in longevity of course.. | 01:20 |
| Trooem | i stumbled across this channel, kanzure's blog | 01:20 |
| Trooem | and contacted, made dealings, showing proof, partnered. | 01:21 |
| Trooem | so we all have the same ... goal of achieving longevity. | 01:21 |
| Trooem | life is so short man :P | 01:22 |
| Trooem | how about you, what made you get into this | 01:22 |
| QuantumG | kanzure and I started talking about physics 2 years ago.. and I found his molecular biology work interesting. | 01:23 |
| Trooem | so you guys met in person already? | 01:23 |
| QuantumG | nope. | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | all online | 01:24 |
| Trooem | i guess we'll all do that at some point. | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | and yeah, longevity, I hope it comes about but I don't think I'm doing anything in that direction. | 01:24 |
| Trooem | which path are you taking? | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | well, I'd like to see biohacking become an art worthy of its name... that will eventually have longevity applications. | 01:25 |
| QuantumG | I'd like to see nanotechnology (molecular manufacturing) take off.. and that'll have longevity applications. | 01:25 |
| kanzure | there's a few diy biohacking spaces in the bay area focusing on longevity, fyi | 01:26 |
| Trooem | oh so then the goal for now is to publically spread the word of DIY bio and CNC, and bring out the creativity... of everyone. | 01:27 |
| Trooem | contributing, like a collective. like the borg | 01:27 |
| Trooem | in the bay area? | 01:27 |
| Trooem | cool, wouldn't it be a dream to work there. lol | 01:27 |
| Trooem | i hate vancouver. it just rains all the time. | 01:28 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: I'm going to ISDC next year, any chance you could make it? | 01:28 |
| kanzure | the space conference? | 01:28 |
| QuantumG | ya | 01:28 |
| kanzure | i can make a few conferences a year. just have to be selective about it. | 01:29 |
| kanzure | can't spend all of my time at conferences :) | 01:29 |
| QuantumG | ISDC is always pretty exciting. | 01:29 |
| Trooem | i'm not yet completly sure what you guys are doing, but it looks pretty damn epic. :) i'm sure it'll affect people strongly haha.. | 01:29 |
| QuantumG | Trooem: ever heard the term "super-empowered individual"? | 01:29 |
| Trooem | nope: do you mean a selfish, masochistic egomaniac- genius? | 01:30 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: the first time i heard it was from a nanotech website somewhere. i think chris phoenix's blog? | 01:30 |
| Trooem | haha i'm kidding | 01:30 |
| QuantumG | those sound orthogonal to me | 01:30 |
| Trooem | what does it mean truly | 01:31 |
| QuantumG | well, to me it means that, as an individual, you have the power to do what you want to do. | 01:31 |
| QuantumG | in my case, I'd like to have the power to spend my time chasing scientific knowledge, experimenting with the frontier, etc. | 01:32 |
| Trooem | i see. cool | 01:32 |
| QuantumG | of course, that said, I have a fair bit of power now and spend a lot of it talking to you guys on irc :) | 01:33 |
| Trooem | hence longevity. you need time as well :) | 01:33 |
| Trooem | they say longevity is useless to those who won't recognize the wonders of space. so it's for a scientist :P | 01:33 |
| Trooem | near future, everybody is going to want a fabrication lab of their own. | 01:35 |
| Trooem | instead printing out boring 2D papers. | 01:35 |
| Trooem | they'd want to print in 3D, make things... | 01:35 |
| Trooem | wonder if people are going to become that sophisticated in majority. | 01:35 |
| QuantumG | I've yet to see the mass market appeal.. maybe you can help with that. | 01:35 |
| Trooem | that's what i'm here for. to reach the word as far as i can. | 01:36 |
| Trooem | cheaply as i can :P | 01:36 |
| Trooem | free-ly :) | 01:36 |
| QuantumG | don't wanna tell you how to do marketing, but perhaps you could talk to people and find out what excites them about this stuff | 01:37 |
| Trooem | i just wonder if one can simplify all these thing so a normal, everyday households- can use these machines. imagine teenagers making thiings instead playing vid games. | 01:38 |
| QuantumG | I don't have trouble imagining that.. I have trouble imagining them wanting to. | 01:38 |
| QuantumG | imaging teenagers writing code instead of playing video games.. | 01:38 |
| Trooem | you mean public interviews? we've got online surveys for that. get about 10,000 quick survey's and you know what people want :) | 01:38 |
| Trooem | i think simple introduction is the crucial factor. people don't get into it, thinking it's completly intimidating. | 01:39 |
| QuantumG | imaging teenagers writing music or making movies or writing sonnets instead of playing video games. | 01:39 |
| QuantumG | sure, *some* teenagers are terribly interested in that | 01:39 |
| Trooem | most are not... | 01:40 |
| QuantumG | but hey, there was a time when very few people had a computer or even a printer | 01:40 |
| QuantumG | maybe just "make it cheap" is the answer :) | 01:41 |
| Trooem | rather than persuading the general public to convert their hobby, it would be better to find the groups instead :) | 01:41 |
| Trooem | it's all about fast money. | 01:41 |
| Trooem | than approaching them with certain methods. | 01:41 |
| Trooem | maybe one day, people will become sophisticated. (or rather, automated visual-based softwares will allow people to use them) | 01:42 |
| Trooem | like how apple created visual O/S | 01:43 |
| Trooem | and before that people used commandlines. | 01:43 |
| Trooem | so then even a fab-lab is possible. | 01:43 |
| Trooem | for every household. | 01:43 |
| Trooem | ha there's the solution. easy breezy beautiful visual software :) ahahhahaha | 01:43 |
| Trooem | kind of like that game, 'spore' | 01:44 |
| Trooem | or sims. | 01:44 |
| QuantumG | good luck with that | 01:44 |
| Trooem | haha come on man, it's just a abstract idea :P | 01:44 |
| * Trooem is bored and saying unworthy things. | 01:46 | |
| * Trooem having his associates doing the work, and he himself is relaxing..... | 01:47 | |
| Trooem | i feel guilty. | 01:47 |
| QuantumG | heh | 01:48 |
| Trooem | really really (shrek) | 01:51 |
| Trooem | this irc thing is great | 01:51 |
| Trooem | :P | 01:52 |
| QuantumG | I'm still thinking about 3d design interfaces :) | 01:54 |
| genehackersolder | trooem find a way to simplify advanced math for people then will talk | 01:56 |
| genehackersolder | *we'll | 01:57 |
| Trooem | lol there's no way. maybe you put that into a really graphically immersive 3D game, like modern warfare 2 or somethign like that, and have people take tests to complete one level to the next, making it interactive. bah! | 01:57 |
| Trooem | maybe kids will be crazy enough to finish the game :P | 01:57 |
| genehackersolder | it need not be 3d | 01:57 |
| Trooem | immersively 2D side scroller, in form of... MMORPG. | 01:58 |
| Trooem | wow | 01:58 |
| genehackersolder | anyway most advanced math stuff was made hard to understand on purpose | 01:58 |
| Trooem | everyone exchanging and interviewing eachother, teaching. | 01:58 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 01:58 |
| genehackersolder | it need not be immersive, just easy to use | 01:58 |
| Trooem | improbable... some topics like history can be taught in this manner effectively but... | 01:59 |
| genehackersolder | anyway there are still concepts you need to learn to make things | 01:59 |
| Trooem | math is just... work so.. | 01:59 |
| Trooem | doubt it hahaha... | 01:59 |
| genehackersolder | well if you don't know about vectors you can't make a rocket | 02:00 |
| Trooem | unless lure them with sex, complete this and you get a young hot teacher with great jugs.. maybe then. | 02:00 |
| Trooem | hold on. | 02:00 |
| Trooem | i forgot to ask who you may be. | 02:01 |
| genehackersolder | though I think I've got a way to teach math and physics in immersive environments | 02:01 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 02:01 |
| Trooem | you a teacher genehacker? | 02:01 |
| genehackersolder | after all I played around with them in highschool an they taught me some stuff | 02:01 |
| genehackersolder | no | 02:01 |
| genehackersolder | I'm a student | 02:01 |
| Trooem | cool ok | 02:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | <Trooem> unless lure them with sex, complete this and you get a young hot teacher with great jugs.. maybe then. <<== so lesbians too, eh? what about the str8 women? | 02:03 |
| genehackersolder | heck I had to do homework in a 2d immersive environment for this one class | 02:03 |
| genehackersolder | errr... it was somewhat immersive | 02:03 |
| Trooem | kats: we'll give them choices with their sexual preference. it would be a large online pimping network. people would say, screw school. | 02:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 02:04 |
| Trooem | haha you guys are wacky. | 02:05 |
| Trooem | what are your ages if you dont mind me asking | 02:05 |
| Trooem | im 25. | 02:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | 53 | 02:05 |
| Trooem | on my prime, about to become a boxing champion. | 02:06 |
| Trooem | ROFL | 02:06 |
| Trooem | yup a boxing champion. | 02:06 |
| Trooem | what 53? really? | 02:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | really | 02:06 |
| genehackersolder | I'm VARIABLE UNDEFINED years old | 02:07 |
| Trooem | thats unexpected. sir............ | 02:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | genehackersolder, he cannotmake so much fun of you that way | 02:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | sir? | 02:08 |
| Trooem | ma'am? | 02:08 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 02:08 | |
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| Trooem | ok :) sorry i had thought everyone here was just students and all that. better watch my manners :P | 02:09 |
| Trooem | wow kanzure. you really spread out your network man.... | 02:09 |
| * Trooem is shutting up, and halted joking around. | 02:10 | |
| katsmeow-afk | sorry you cannot enjoy working here | 02:11 |
| randallagordon | I'm not a student, I dropped out and started freelancing :P | 02:12 |
| Trooem | i can get used to being serious. people around marketing always jokes about... adult stuff and all that... | 02:12 |
| randallagordon | You won't offend me Trooem | 02:12 |
| * randallagordon enjoys adult stuff and all that... | 02:12 | |
| Trooem | that's cool. i'll keep that in mind and try and offend you randall... | 02:12 |
| Trooem | i'm kidding :P | 02:13 |
| * randallagordon accepts the challenge ;) | 02:13 | |
| katsmeow-afk | people joke in here too, but not like teenagers | 02:13 |
| genehackersolder | I'm from the internet I don't get offended easily, but please let's stay on useful topics | 02:13 |
| QuantumG | I'm from the internet, I'm just here to put captions on your cats. | 02:13 |
| Trooem | my mind stunted when i was 17. i can't help but talk stupid like a teen. :P | 02:14 |
| QuantumG | knew there was a reason you went to marketing... zing! | 02:14 |
| Trooem | and there you go. bingo. :PPPPPPPP | 02:15 |
| Trooem | hey we can't all be advanced mathematicians or phycists~ | 02:15 |
| Trooem | you shall all one day... need me. | 02:15 |
| Trooem | mwa hahahahahaha | 02:15 |
| randallagordon | marketing is a useful tool, too ;) | 02:17 |
| Trooem | think of it this way. you made the world's greatest gadget or something like that. without marketing/adverting, people don't know where it is... | 02:18 |
| Trooem | but then again, if you did make the world's greatest gadget you get free press so... | 02:18 |
| Trooem | never you mind. got something little less than that, i can spread the word :)))))) | 02:18 |
| Trooem | so err... | 02:18 |
| Trooem | randalla | 02:18 |
| Trooem | you a women? | 02:18 |
| QuantumG | even with free press, you still need marketing | 02:19 |
| randallagordon | lol, yes, those of us with sub-greatest gadgets are in dire need ;) | 02:19 |
| randallagordon | um...no...that would be Randall A. Gordon :P | 02:19 |
| randallagordon | perhaps I should use the caps, heh | 02:19 |
| Trooem | i see. now you're offended. ba zing!!! | 02:19 |
| Trooem | Randalla. | 02:19 |
| randallagordon | oh, very, very offended | 02:19 |
| genehackersolder | KNOW YOUR PLACE MARKETING DRONE | 02:19 |
| QuantumG | droid | 02:20 |
| randallagordon | Randella is my drag name | 02:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | Trooem, why would he be offended to be awoman? i am not | 02:20 |
| ybit | margaret chief is my pr0n name | 02:20 |
| * ybit takes it to the bed | 02:20 | |
| Trooem | gene: come on, just getting aquainted :P | 02:20 |
| randallagordon | chief? really? ;) | 02:20 |
| Trooem | kats: i mean he's offended because he's a man. he wouldn't be if he was a woman haha.. :) | 02:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, you just had tobrag, didn't you? | 02:21 |
| Trooem | if i call a woman a man then yes, that would be a offense :) | 02:21 |
| Trooem | so ybit is a women... | 02:21 |
| randallagordon | w00t, just signed a deal to become a Clear WiMAX dealer | 02:22 |
| Trooem | margaret... got it. | 02:22 |
| randallagordon | Trooem, find me a market, snap to it! | 02:23 |
| Trooem | randalla: what are you selling, snap it off! | 02:23 |
| Trooem | err snap out of it. | 02:23 |
| Trooem | damn i suck with this language. | 02:23 |
| randallagordon | I'm selling Clear's WiMAX services ;) | 02:24 |
| Trooem | is that real estate? | 02:24 |
| randallagordon | lol, not Remax | 02:24 |
| Trooem | oh ok | 02:24 |
| genehackersolder | that clear stuff sucks | 02:24 |
| randallagordon | 10Mbps/2Mbps in motion sucks? | 02:25 |
| genehackersolder | no | 02:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | i don't trust wimax i can't see | 02:25 |
| genehackersolder | I live in a bubble of no signal | 02:25 |
| randallagordon | WiMAX is a form of cellular internet access | 02:25 |
| randallagordon | mobile internet, for non-geeks | 02:25 |
| randallagordon | I live in Oregon, one of Clear's hotbeds | 02:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | uh oh, he is explainingit to us now | 02:26 |
| genehackersolder | I know what it is, I just happen to live in a bubble in the coverage map | 02:26 |
| genehackersolder | errr, now at least | 02:26 |
| randallagordon | Trooem didn't know | 02:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i was playing on "Clear" | 02:26 |
| randallagordon | I was explaining it to him | 02:26 |
| Trooem | i had no idea | 02:26 |
| Trooem | i guess than this is for, mobile computing market... | 02:27 |
| genehackersolder | wifi is so ubiquitous at my uni I have no need for mobile internet too | 02:27 |
| randallagordon | For the most part, although they do target fixed computers as well | 02:27 |
| genehackersolder | err it is mobile internet | 02:27 |
| Trooem | sub-niche would be... people from national geographics or travellers, tourists, global porn actors, and street fighters.. | 02:28 |
| randallagordon | There are two standards, one for mobile, one for fixed | 02:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | many places cannot/willnot upgrade the last mile, so wireless might beat cable or telco | 02:28 |
| genehackersolder | actually how fast did you say that clear stuff is? | 02:28 |
| genehackersolder | is it fast enough for realtime encrypted video transmission? | 02:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | we did not get dsl here until mobile was sold by competition, even tho the dsl was out here, and not turned on | 02:29 |
| Trooem | now i just find the most searched terms associated with these niches, and advertise the heck out of it, and you're in business. | 02:29 |
| Trooem | :P | 02:29 |
| randallagordon | I've seen speed tests coming out of Portland pulling 10/2 | 02:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | randal, one user per tower, up close? | 02:30 |
| randallagordon | But P-town's WiMAX network I'm sure is...unique...being that it has the benefit of being Intel's WiMAX testbed | 02:30 |
| Trooem | good gawd that's fast... | 02:30 |
| randallagordon | I've got no details to back that, just a hunch...I'm sure Intel would want the latest gear on the towers for testing... | 02:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | 10 isn't so fast if 50 people get on it | 02:31 |
| Trooem | i shall invest in clearwire stocks. | 02:31 |
| randallagordon | I'm eager to get some equipment and start doing my own tests | 02:31 |
| randallagordon | ...the backhaul is fiber | 02:32 |
| genehackersolder | and can I get a nice tiny low poer transceiver that will talk to something like a beagleboard? | 02:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | that wouldbe nice | 02:32 |
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| randallagordon | You can use your WiMAX connection as a backhaul for, say, an in-car WiFi network | 02:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | AT&T leases usb transcivers here for whatever protocolthey are using | 02:33 |
| randallagordon | HSPA | 02:33 |
| genehackersolder | what's the max velocity at which you can still use clear networks? | 02:33 |
| genehackersolder | does it exceed the speed of sound? | 02:33 |
| randallagordon | lol, no idea | 02:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | sped of sound duringhandoff even? | 02:34 |
| Trooem | www.wimax.com | 02:34 |
| genehackersolder | if it's below the speed of sound then it may no be such a good idea to use wimax to control a UAV over the internet | 02:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | gene, use a propellor, not a jet engine | 02:35 |
| Trooem | the website is bidding on paid keywords such as: | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 10 utah wireless isp (Sep-09) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 14 the ropes (Oct-08) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 13 rope course (Jul-08) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 9 802.16 wimax (Jun-08) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 2 1xevdo (Jan-08) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 9 wimax products (Mar-07) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 9 wimax equipment (Mar-07) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 1 lmds equipment (Jun-06) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 1 802.16e (Jun-06) | 02:35 |
| Trooem | 3 802.16 equipment | 02:35 |
| Trooem | ooooooooo whatever they are. | 02:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | "the ropes" ?? | 02:35 |
| genehackersolder | I'm just wonder if wimax controlled rockets could be possible.... | 02:36 |
| Trooem | and these are your competitions randall: | 02:36 |
| Trooem | wimax-industry.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | wimaxforum.org | 02:36 |
| Trooem | wcai.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | dailywireless.org | 02:36 |
| Trooem | bbwexchange.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | apertonet.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | 80216news.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | wimaxnetnews.com | 02:36 |
| Trooem | wimaxxed.com | 02:36 |
| randallagordon | woah, buddy, less pasting mass numbers of lines :P | 02:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://pastebin.com/ | 02:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://pastey.net/ | 02:36 |
| Trooem | sorrrrrrrry | 02:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | or put it al on one line :-) | 02:36 |
| Trooem | ok | 02:37 |
| randallagordon | hehe there ya go...pastebin preferred ;) | 02:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | lots of paste sites, butmarketting says many will fold in 2010 ;-) | 02:37 |
| randallagordon | genehackersolder, I'll test that out for ya ;) | 02:38 |
| * Trooem is hungry and is eating... turkey with stuffing. | 02:39 | |
| randallagordon | in theory, line of sight connections could allow for some pretty insane applications with radio controlled flight... | 02:39 |
| * katsmeow-afk thnks she will goto bed, since it's 2:40am and real life needs doing tomorrow <sigh> | 02:39 | |
| randallagordon | I do intend to rig up one of my RC trucks with a camera and WiMAX goodness | 02:40 |
| randallagordon | prolly gonna have to finally step up to a brushless motor ;) | 02:40 |
| randallagordon | miniITX + USB modem | 02:40 |
| genehackersolder | excellent | 02:40 |
| randallagordon | adds a bit of weight | 02:40 |
| randallagordon | but, I'm game to make it work | 02:40 |
| randallagordon | teehee, it would be fun to use a Wii remote and a pan & tilt base to do some headtracking :D | 02:41 |
| genehackersolder | but with the high data transmission rate you could send out high resolution commands and back high res video | 02:42 |
| randallagordon | oh boy, now you've got me thinking...this is dangerous | 02:42 |
| genehackersolder | just don | 02:42 |
| genehackersolder | 't let the wrong people know about it | 02:42 |
| randallagordon | why do I suddenly see myself running RC cars around downtown Corvallis? lol | 02:42 |
| Trooem | hey guys, can you get high res images from a pan and tilt button camera? enough to read texts? | 02:43 |
| randallagordon | depends on the camera | 02:43 |
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| Trooem | so the technology exists out on the market. cool | 02:43 |
| randallagordon | Most of your major camera makers have HD pan & tilts for studio installs | 02:44 |
| randallagordon | a lot of talk and news shows seem to be moving that direction | 02:44 |
| ybit | kanzure: certainly, send the mods my way | 02:44 |
| randallagordon | Sony, Panasonic, etc | 02:44 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: :) | 02:44 |
| genehacker2 | are they small enough to fit on a radio control car? | 02:45 |
| randallagordon | hehe, negative | 02:45 |
| genehacker2 | argh | 02:45 |
| randallagordon | But this dude is: http://www3.elphel.com/ | 02:46 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'd be interested in knowing what bay area hackerspaces are focusing on diy longevity | 02:46 |
| genehacker2 | is wimax spread spectrum? | 02:46 |
| randallagordon | I can easily rig up some servos for P&T | 02:46 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 02:46 |
| randallagordon | I believe so | 02:47 |
| randallagordon | again, my low-level radio knowledge is...lacking | 02:47 |
| genehacker2 | pan and tilt should be fairly simple | 02:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://livly.org/ for one | 02:47 |
| randallagordon | just use the data from the Wii remote to control the servos... | 02:48 |
| randallagordon | yet another reason to spend time in my cockpit: http://picasaweb.google.com/randallagordon/SnapsAndScreens#5226428108212021666 | 02:48 |
| genehacker2 | heh that'll do | 02:49 |
| randallagordon | finally an excuse to pick up a Fanatec wheel too! ;) | 02:49 |
| randallagordon | (as if I needed one) | 02:49 |
| genehacker2 | you might use a gps and have said truck go to waypoints if control is too laggy | 02:50 |
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| Trooem | wow randall great photos man | 02:51 |
| genehacker2 | OR do what some of the mars rover prototypes did and use 2 cameras and use a space mouse to move a 3d cursor to the location you want the truck to move too | 02:51 |
| genehacker2 | *to | 02:51 |
| randallagordon | hehe, which ones are you looking at? | 02:51 |
| randallagordon | I'd rather be driving ;) | 02:52 |
| Trooem | the one with the gun pointed and the sceneries. | 02:52 |
| Trooem | that's not a real gun is it. LOL | 02:52 |
| randallagordon | it is, but not loaded ;) | 02:53 |
| randallagordon | not even any ammo in the studio, lol | 02:53 |
| Trooem | wow cool | 02:54 |
| Trooem | of all the pictures to look at, i clicked on a random image blank staring into the monitor | 02:54 |
| randallagordon | .22 revolver | 02:54 |
| Trooem | and a person points a gun at me. ahahahaha | 02:54 |
| randallagordon | lol nice | 02:54 |
| Trooem | you guys are like DIY magicians. whats next? DIY nuclear reactor? | 02:55 |
| genehacker2 | eww gross you have mono | 02:55 |
| genehacker2 | been done before | 02:55 |
| genehacker2 | Radioactive Boyscout, etc, etc | 02:55 |
| randallagordon | Trooem, boring, that's been done | 02:57 |
| Trooem | haha :P | 02:57 |
| randallagordon | although I'm being sarcastic on the boring part | 02:57 |
| Trooem | us Canadians really need to catch up on the information age. DIY everything :P | 02:58 |
| genehacker2 | randallagordon, so I heard you liek street racing? | 02:59 |
| genehacker2 | initial d? | 02:59 |
| randallagordon | I used to a long while ago, I've grown out of it though | 02:59 |
| randallagordon | and where did you hear this? :P | 02:59 |
| genehacker2 | just a random guess based on a choice of your car... | 03:00 |
| randallagordon | ah | 03:00 |
| randallagordon | I like drifting, but Initial D's popularity annoys me thanks to all the posers | 03:00 |
| randallagordon | I was holding top 250 overall rank on Forza 3's drift standings | 03:00 |
| randallagordon | Prolly back above 1000 at this point | 03:01 |
| genehacker2 | I wonder if you could make a program that could play that game for you and get a perfect rank | 03:01 |
| randallagordon | As for real life drifting, that AE86 hasn't ever been driven by me yet | 03:01 |
| randallagordon | if you knew what you were doing, yes, I'm sure you could | 03:02 |
| randallagordon | it needs some love in the form of a new engine and rear end | 03:02 |
| randallagordon | I love drifting my Jeep XJ on gravel, though :D | 03:02 |
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| * genehacker2 sleeps | 03:02 | |
| * Trooem is done relaxing. back to work. chop chop... | 03:03 | |
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| randallagordon | kanzure, just had a chance to go through the tutorial | 03:23 |
| randallagordon | I'm with Jay, the YAML section doesn't provide much for motivation as to why it is important...I think that is going to be a recurring theme for documenting this project, there will need to be sets of documentation for the developers of SKDB itself, for package creators, for people who want to combine packages to create more complex packages and also for people who just want to put it to use (this last case likely not be | 03:25 |
| randallagordon | As for what I think would be a truly engaging tutorial, show a complete SKDB n00b how to put these lego blocks together...so we've created one with 1000 pegs...great for a humorous stab, but now let's build a simple lego object | 03:26 |
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| kanzure | hello elmom | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49787/title/From_fringe_to_electromicrobiological_mainstream | 11:55 |
| kanzure | http://sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/41637/title/Live_Wires | 11:55 |
| kanzure | "that a bacterium could actually have its enzymes on the outside of the cell and communicate with the environment electrically." | 11:55 |
| kanzure | geobacter, Shewanella, derek lovley | 11:56 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i figure this is relevant to your interests? | 11:56 |
| kanzure | Electricity production by Geobacter sulfurreducens attached to electrodes http://www.geobacter.org/publications/12620842.pdf | 12:01 |
| kanzure | Bug juice: harvesting electricity with microorganisms http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdfzag | 12:01 |
| kanzure | oops | 12:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdf | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2009/12/7/152155/893 Perl, sed, grep, gawk, uniq, host and dig: another look | 12:06 |
| kanzure | huh some ISPs blatantly block entire countries? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | internet malicious activity map http://www.team-cymru.org/Monitoring/Malevolence/maps.html#hilbert | 12:09 |
| kanzure | ooh also with video http://www.team-cymru.org/visualizations/compromised_map/recent.mpg | 12:10 |
| ybit | http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdf | 12:58 |
| ybit | 404 | 12:58 |
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| kanzure | ybit: my bad. http://designfiles.org/papers/Bug%20juice%20-%20harvesting%20electricity%20with%20microorganisms.pdf | 12:59 |
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| kanzure | the startup library http://garry.posterous.com/the-startup-library-613-page-downloadable-pdf | 14:40 |
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| kanzure | hey Kuro_ | 14:54 |
| Kuro_ | Hello. | 14:54 |
| kanzure | anything new? | 14:55 |
| Kuro_ | Doesn't seem to be.Monitoring the usual news sites, but nothing's come up that we don't already know about. | 14:58 |
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| MrClif | Howdy... Does anyone know of that MIT project for a Small PCB mill? | 15:21 |
| MrClif | They had some nonworking demos at Maker's at the last faire. | 15:22 |
| Kuro_ | I heard about it, but can't seem to find any pages on it. | 15:26 |
| drazak | http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/index.html | 15:27 |
| drazak | first google | 15:27 |
| MrClif | I gogeled mit circuit board router, but didn't find it oh well. ;-) | 15:28 |
| MrClif | Thanks. | 15:28 |
| MrClif | However I did find this: http://web.mit.edu/kumpf/www/projects/PCBMill/index.html | 15:29 |
| Kuro_ | Damn, should've googled more myself. Thanks. | 15:29 |
| MrClif | Uses 6 steppers in pairs for three axis. | 15:30 |
| drazak | MIT people crack me up | 15:39 |
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| thesnark | bon soir | 17:07 |
| kanzure | hello thesnark~ | 17:08 |
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| technologiclee3 | did anyone get an Opera friend request from PCGeeks? | 20:18 |
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| kanzure | http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu:3000/ ? | 21:05 |
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| technologiclee3 | http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?id=44&option=com_content&task=view | 21:28 |
| technologiclee3 | looks good - i registered for openpario | 21:30 |
| technologiclee3 | it shows Appropedia and Open Source Ecology there | 21:31 |
| technologiclee3 | it also has the equipment from FatorE Farm | 21:32 |
| technologiclee3 | shall I make a new project? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | i don't know what michael is trying to do there. it looks like a crummy project management site | 21:33 |
| technologiclee3 | well find a good one | 21:35 |
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| genehackersolder | kanzure so I'm having trouble with sympy | 22:06 |
| kanzure | what's wrong? | 22:06 |
| genehackersolder | apparently the module didn't install | 22:06 |
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| genehacker | is sympy compatible with python version 3? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't be using v3 anyway | 22:08 |
| kanzure | just use 2.6 | 22:08 |
| genehacker | why? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | because 3 isn't ready yet | 22:08 |
| genehacker | argh how do I downgrade? | 22:08 |
| genehacker | 2.6.4? | 22:09 |
| kanzure | just install 2.6.4 | 22:10 |
| genehacker | ok | 22:10 |
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| genehacker | also trying to get pygame to work too because I found a good book to learn python using pygame | 22:11 |
| kanzure | are you on linux? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | sudo apt-get install python-pygame python2.6 | 22:12 |
| genehacker | no unfortunately | 22:13 |
| genehacker | using laptop in long battery life mode | 22:14 |
| genehacker | nifty I can use both python 2.6 and 3.0 | 22:15 |
| genehacker | IT WORKS | 22:19 |
| genehacker | woo! | 22:19 |
| genehacker | err... | 22:20 |
| genehacker | the GUI doesn't work... | 22:21 |
| genehacker | it does | 22:23 |
| genehacker | nvm | 22:23 |
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| technologiclee3 | i think python 3 will not be used much, people are moving to 3.1 | 22:31 |
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| genehacker | so why did I learn so much about ver 3? | 22:32 |
| technologiclee3 | almost all of it is valid - they just made some tweaks - this is according to comp.lang.python mailing list - i'm looking for the official reference | 22:33 |
| technologiclee3 | and it is backwards incompatible - i guess they will all always be available tho http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.1/ | 22:37 |
| technologiclee3 | heres a bit about the differences http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/lang-python/604453-moving-python-2-python-3-4-page-cheat-sheet.html | 22:40 |
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| ybit | avatar was nice | 23:23 |
| kanzure | thought it was sold out | 23:23 |
| ybit | i just went to watch it with a girlfriend that came in town | 23:24 |
| ybit | er, girl friend? | 23:24 |
| QuantumG | gal pal | 23:24 |
| ybit | reminds me too much of a fuck buddy | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | jaffa | 23:25 |
| ybit | anyway, makes you want to work on skdb harder so you can see a planet like that. | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | I spent 15 minutes today thinking about ftl | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | "nope, still don't know how to do it" | 23:26 |
| randallagordon | kanzure, did you catch my comments on the tutorial? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | yep | 23:48 |
| randallagordon | ybit, agreed, re: avatar | 23:48 |
| kanzure | they will be incorporated soon | 23:48 |
| randallagordon | cool, I managed to get in a fight with my box around 5 this morning, so I missed logging a bunch, wasn't sure if you had replied, figured I'd make sure you saw it | 23:49 |
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