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| fenn | now if only i could stack up screen .. screens | 00:00 |
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| genehacker | fenn why not wear shutter glasses so you could stack more | 00:01 |
| genehacker | IE by displaying them in 3d | 00:01 |
| genehacker | wait a second are you using internet on an airplane fenn? | 00:02 |
| fenn | yeah | 00:03 |
| fenn | i'd rather not wear shutter glasses | 00:03 |
| fenn | i do want to do a 3d effect by headtracking with the webcam | 00:03 |
| fenn | would need an ir led though because it's too slow | 00:03 |
| genehacker | shutter glasses + head tracking + hand tracker= incredibly awesome | 00:04 |
| genehacker | I once paid a visit to the 3d visualization lab in the aerospace building and they have a setup as described above | 00:05 |
| genehacker | it's amazing | 00:05 |
| genehacker | are you flying within the US? | 00:07 |
| genehacker | to a location in the US? | 00:07 |
| fenn | i'm going from DC to SF | 00:08 |
| genehacker | have fun during the last hour of the flight | 00:09 |
| fenn | in utah, arrive at midnight PST (2am texas time) | 00:09 |
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| fenn | genehacker: i saw avatar 3d with cross polarized projectors and there was zero crosstalk even with the disposable glasses they hand out | 00:32 |
| fenn | shutter glasses always seem to break somehow | 00:33 |
| fenn | i'd think a slight modification at the factory could make a workable cross polarized LCD screen | 00:34 |
| fenn | basically add another layer of liquid crystal | 00:35 |
| fenn | it wouldnt even need any pixels | 00:35 |
| fenn | actually you could do it as an aftermarket add-on | 00:37 |
| fenn | of course this does the job for 0.0001% the cost: http://individual.utoronto.ca/iizuka/research/cellophane.htm | 00:42 |
| fenn | if you dont mind losing half the srreen | 00:43 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YQBuuhh76A | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | about about t=15m there's a demo | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | err, at about | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | 105ft balloon drop | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | kft | 01:25 |
| MrClif | I saw a 3D LCD display at frys last year. | 01:36 |
| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJMv9YtX8I | 01:52 |
| QuantumG | some cool robots | 01:52 |
| bkero | fenn: They're using a circular polarizer, not linear | 02:04 |
| ybit | kanzure: congrats on making it to 20 | 02:05 |
| ybit | fenn: can i has room? | 02:05 |
| bkero | kanzure: gg | 02:05 |
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| Utopiah | Aliks: since you seemed interested in computational chemistry you might be interested in Voronoi diagrams and http://www.ebookshare.net/professional-and-technical/Hierarchical-Voronoi-Graphs-Jan-2010-eBook-ELOHiM-8052.html ) | 06:06 |
| kristianpaul | Utopiah: thanks, i remenber get that video, i could not saw it continuis due my poor concection | 07:00 |
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| genehacker | well this feels weird | 10:32 |
| genehacker | I just my wisdom teeth removed | 10:32 |
| genehacker | anyone know how I can cryopreserve my wisdom teeth using only supplies bought at a supermarket | 10:34 |
| genehacker | WARNING MY MENTAL CAPACITIES MAY STILL BE UNDER AFFECT OF ANAESTHETIC PLEASE BE AWARE OF THIS | 10:35 |
| Trooem | well, it's a teeth so... i guess you can be a little more rough with it | 10:40 |
| kanzure | crap i'm so behind on email | 10:40 |
| Trooem | i would... put the teeth around a gelatin substance of sort. like jelly. | 10:42 |
| Trooem | then freeze it in very very low temperature. instantly. | 10:42 |
| Trooem | no damage that way. mwa hahahahaha | 10:42 |
| Trooem | why would you want your wisdom teeth | 10:43 |
| kanzure | stem cells | 10:46 |
| genehacker | not sure it's worth it though | 10:46 |
| genehacker | there are adult stem cells in bone marrow and... | 10:46 |
| genehacker | so it seems I have mostly full mental capacity as determined by a reaction time test | 10:48 |
| kanzure | that's what i thought too | 10:48 |
| kanzure | but i was wrong | 10:48 |
| genehacker | ok, please remind me if I seem to be something crazy | 10:49 |
| genehacker | like trying to do diy stem cell preservation... | 10:50 |
| genehacker | do you think it is worth it | 10:50 |
| genehacker | Happy Birthday Kanzure | 10:52 |
| Trooem | there are many ways to get stem cells... | 10:54 |
| Trooem | from others. | 10:54 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 10:54 |
| Trooem | especially in Asia.. | 10:54 |
| genehacker | indeed | 10:54 |
| genehacker | but stem cells from others people have problems | 10:54 |
| Trooem | wonder if i should be saving my young blood right now for future cloning... hmm | 10:55 |
| genehacker | age | 10:55 |
| genehacker | ? | 10:55 |
| Trooem | 25 | 10:55 |
| kanzure | http://biocurious.org/ SF / bay area biology-oriented hackerspace | 10:55 |
| Trooem | ahahahaha! | 10:56 |
| genehacker | BACKUP YOUR DNA SO IT DOESN"T GET CORRUPTED | 10:56 |
| Trooem | just remove the 'o' there in every word. | 10:56 |
| Trooem | ROFL who came up with that name anyways | 10:56 |
| Trooem | BIOFURIOUS | 10:56 |
| Trooem | BIOSERIOUS | 10:56 |
| Trooem | BIOCURIOUS | 10:56 |
| Trooem | ahahaha | 10:56 |
| Trooem | hmmm hhmm excuse my sense of humour | 10:57 |
| Trooem | San Francisco is a nice place... | 10:57 |
| Trooem | People ought to live in warm weather. | 10:57 |
| Trooem | and around nice architecture. | 10:57 |
| Trooem | design that is | 10:57 |
| Trooem | damn Canada looks like it's full of shacks | 10:58 |
| genehacker | well that's lame wisdom teeth stem cells aren't that good for much | 10:58 |
| genehacker | really only curing advanced gingivitis | 11:00 |
| * Trooem is watching land of the lost. | 11:01 | |
| genehacker | why? | 11:01 |
| Trooem | because will ferrel is an asshole i want to beat up | 11:01 |
| Trooem | im just bored out of my mind | 11:02 |
| genehacker | ok | 11:02 |
| Trooem | i'm buying a Kindle DX | 11:02 |
| Trooem | should I? | 11:03 |
| Trooem | also buying... Sony Vaio X | 11:03 |
| Trooem | for it's lightweight...ness | 11:03 |
| Trooem | probably a bad idea for it's price.. | 11:03 |
| Trooem | i am so... | 11:03 |
| Trooem | materialistic | 11:03 |
| Trooem | damn | 11:04 |
| Trooem | i would also like to buy a girl online | 11:04 |
| Trooem | wives for sale | 11:04 |
| Trooem | wondering if it works... | 11:04 |
| genehacker | buy the barnes and noble thing it's being hacked like crazy | 11:04 |
| genehacker | so that would explain your recent trip to korea? | 11:04 |
| Trooem | i'm looking for large screens.. | 11:04 |
| Trooem | wow dude how did you know that? | 11:05 |
| Trooem | kanzure. dont tell on me~ | 11:05 |
| Trooem | my recent trip to korea was because... i haven't been there for 10 years. | 11:05 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 11:05 |
| genehacker | your IP address was in korea, were you perhaps on a visit to seoul? | 11:05 |
| Trooem | yes...... | 11:06 |
| Trooem | lived there for year and a half | 11:06 |
| Trooem | now in canada | 11:06 |
| genehacker | the university there? | 11:06 |
| Trooem | the university there isn't so great... | 11:06 |
| Trooem | people are lot of education, doesn't mean they have knowledge :( | 11:06 |
| Trooem | there is a difference... | 11:07 |
| Trooem | guess it's because korea isn't part of the anglosphere. where information is in english- it's just as not creative or abundant | 11:07 |
| Trooem | the flow of info | 11:07 |
| genehacker | had a friend who went there recently on an exchange program | 11:07 |
| kanzure | too many people | 11:07 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 11:07 |
| kanzure | at the very bottom, does anyone know any of those people? | 11:07 |
| Trooem | no... i have the best name that all connects on the keyboard. dont write it here. | 11:09 |
| Trooem | it all connects in one area. ahahahahha | 11:09 |
| kanzure | what? | 11:10 |
| Trooem | my name. | 11:10 |
| Trooem | if typed on keyboard. the buttons all connect on one area | 11:11 |
| Trooem | within the keyboard | 11:11 |
| kanzure | i think "y" is supposed to be typed by the left hand :( sorry | 11:11 |
| Trooem | no way it's right side... one hand :( | 11:11 |
| kanzure | haha | 11:11 |
| Trooem | http://shop.hardgraft.com/product/2unfold | 11:12 |
| Trooem | really nice bag | 11:12 |
| kanzure | oh wait i think i know who michael yamashita is | 11:12 |
| kanzure | he's from livly | 11:12 |
| kanzure | i met him in person | 11:12 |
| genehacker | do you have cad files for that bag? | 11:12 |
| kanzure | wait, no | 11:13 |
| kanzure | well there goes that idea | 11:13 |
| Trooem | i'm selling shit on ebay! | 11:14 |
| Trooem | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280446874518&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT | 11:15 |
| Trooem | mwa hahahaa | 11:15 |
| Trooem | just sold sony PRS-505 | 11:16 |
| Trooem | for 170 | 11:16 |
| Trooem | i think i'm gonna trade that sony UMPC for the bag up there. ROFL | 11:17 |
| Trooem | sell it off and buy it. | 11:17 |
| Trooem | the bag appears to be custom hand made... | 11:17 |
| Trooem | listening to: | 11:17 |
| Trooem | Castlevania Symphony of the night video walkthrough... | 11:18 |
| Trooem | the voice actors are cool | 11:18 |
| * Trooem "What need for the shepard when the wolves have all gone?" | 11:18 | |
| genehacker | handmade as in inefficiently made? | 11:21 |
| Trooem | sure... what makes it beautiful. | 11:22 |
| Trooem | one of a kind aye? LOL | 11:22 |
| genehacker | who cares if it isn't one of a kind, it only matters that it does it's job | 11:24 |
| Trooem | yeah | 11:25 |
| Trooem | the leather bag is very very... flat | 11:26 |
| Trooem | ahahaha | 11:26 |
| Trooem | i like that | 11:26 |
| Trooem | i am........... drunk | 11:57 |
| * Trooem is drunk and happy. | 11:57 | |
| kanzure | has anyone on an i386/i686 tested the pythonocc-0.3.deb file i uploaded? | 13:18 |
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| ybit | kanzure: yeah, i tested it the other day when you mentioned it | 13:33 |
| ybit | let me replicate the error | 13:33 |
| kanzure | did it work? | 13:34 |
| kanzure | blah, errors | 13:34 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/m5546e989 | 13:34 |
| kanzure | well that's a useless error | 13:35 |
| kanzure | um. | 13:35 |
| kanzure | technically i didn't use any md5 hashes | 13:35 |
| kanzure | so maybe i should go generate those for all of the files | 13:35 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing this is why it thinks it's corrupt | 13:35 |
| ybit | lame, the uni here blocks torrent sites | 13:38 |
| ybit | reason: p2p/file-sharing | 13:38 |
| ybit | as if browsing the web isn't file sharing | 13:38 |
| ybit | kanzure: am i moving in or what? i need to let these guys know | 13:39 |
| kanzure | um | 13:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you alive? | 13:39 |
| ybit | http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/hardware/hardware.html | 13:40 |
| kanzure | ybit: i don't know what to tell you | 13:44 |
| kanzure | i guess the answer is yes | 13:44 |
| ybit | hm, well, i'll wait to hear back from fenn, before packing | 13:51 |
| fenn | morning | 14:08 |
| fenn | what's going on? | 14:09 |
| fenn | ybit did your job in LA fall through? | 14:10 |
| fenn | ybit: well anyway i dont mind if you stay in the room as i probably won't be back :\ | 14:17 |
| kristianpaul | any one knows some open source versio of this http://www.vernier.com/probes/gc-mini.html ? | 14:20 |
| kristianpaul | weill be neat ! | 14:20 |
| kristianpaul | will be neat ! | 14:20 |
| fenn | kristianpaul: i've never seen any open source GC | 14:22 |
| fenn | maybe you should make one | 14:22 |
| kristianpaul | lol | 14:22 |
| kristianpaul | i wish i know how | 14:22 |
| fenn | i sort of wonder what the "advanced MEMS GC chip technology" is supposed to do | 14:23 |
| fenn | since it uses a stainless steel column | 14:23 |
| kristianpaul | i found this http://openwetware.org/wiki/Citizen_Science/Open_Spectrophotometer_Project | 14:26 |
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| fenn | kristianpaul: that thing sucks. this is much better: http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/light/spectrograph/spectrograph.html | 14:51 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 15:19 |
| Trooem | anybody got suggestions on how i can study chemistry, apart from learning from... online tutor sites such as koofers.com? | 15:54 |
| Trooem | any methods and tactics would be appreciated. | 15:54 |
| Trooem | shall i enter forums and ask around, network? | 15:54 |
| QuantumG | there's some online course materials | 15:55 |
| QuantumG | but chemistry is a billion facts with very little theory | 15:56 |
| kanzure | Trooem: http://meta-synthesis.com/ | 15:59 |
| kanzure | in particular see the chemogenesis s web book | 15:59 |
| Trooem | thanks i'll look into that... | 16:02 |
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| kanzure | hey danielcc | 16:07 |
| danielcc | hey hey hey | 16:07 |
| kanzure | oh! it wasn't freenode | 16:07 |
| kanzure | freenet was the name of it | 16:07 |
| danielcc | thats it!!! | 16:08 |
| danielcc | like i said i heard it to be the king of cp | 16:08 |
| danielcc | it basicly made your actions hard to track | 16:08 |
| danielcc | with this idea you would just set your router to link to other routers in the area so you can have a huge network and just talk off of that | 16:09 |
| kanzure | but you said it wasn't a mesh for some reason? | 16:09 |
| kanzure | i mean it sounds like a mesh | 16:09 |
| danielcc | maybe it is... | 16:10 |
| danielcc | i always thought that to be more of a cloud... | 16:10 |
| kanzure | eventually i need to get back to the cnc design work | 16:10 |
| danielcc | cloud mesh web | 16:10 |
| kanzure | can't seem to track down jorge barrera anywhere | 16:10 |
| danielcc | well it is your main focus... | 16:10 |
| kristianpaul | fenn: thats better indeed | 16:10 |
| kanzure | danielcc: have you heard about the ronja project? point to point optical interconnect | 16:11 |
| danielcc | nope... its sounds interesting though | 16:11 |
| danielcc | but not the idea i had in mind | 16:12 |
| danielcc | these wouldnt be hard to build | 16:13 |
| danielcc | the main problem with this would be the fact you could not connect to multiple access points with one tranciever | 16:15 |
| QuantumG | ya can | 16:15 |
| QuantumG | there's linux drivers to do just that | 16:15 |
| kanzure | er which one are you talking about trey? which project | 16:16 |
| danielcc | ronja | 16:17 |
| danielcc | it appears the angle of view on these things are small | 16:17 |
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| ybit | http://www.ckan.net/about/ | 17:27 |
| ybit | er, just click packages link | 17:30 |
| kanzure | so should i go to ucla for outlaw biology? | 17:43 |
| kanzure | to talk | 17:43 |
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| ybit | kanzure: where are the 80/20 step/iges files? | 18:04 |
| ybit | kanzure: if you can afford it, the last talk brought in quite a few more people | 18:04 |
| kanzure | yes but they don't do anything :( | 18:04 |
| kanzure | :p | 18:04 |
| kanzure | the files were found on 3dcontentcentral | 18:05 |
| kanzure | dur? http://www.lawsofform.org/lof.html blah | 18:15 |
| parolang` | You know, I just googled for skdb. First hit was the serial killer database. Potential ambiguity :) | 18:33 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 18:37 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 18:37 |
| parolang` | Yeah, found it in the topic. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | does anyone know a search engine that returns RSS feed URLs as the result? | 18:44 |
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| QuantumG | http://nationalfilter.net.au/index.php | 18:47 |
| QuantumG | best poll on the internet | 18:48 |
| kanzure | http://search4rss.com/ is good but has no API | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | btw, this is why I think everyone (on Slashdot) is an idiot http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497216&cid=30648574 | 18:57 |
| parolang` | Good thing you don't post on Slashdot then :) | 18:59 |
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| fenn | is livly/biocurious the same space? | 19:28 |
| fenn | or maybe it doesn't exist yet | 19:29 |
| kanzure | doesn't seem to be the same space, no | 19:29 |
| kanzure | "Fetched 29.0kB in 2min 29s (194B/s)" joyay | 19:30 |
| kanzure | *yay | 19:30 |
| fenn | kanzure: could you powercycle my tubputer? | 19:31 |
| fenn | under the bookshelf | 19:31 |
| fenn | there's a dangly plastic bit with a pushbutton switch on it | 19:32 |
| * fenn has some "lite" eggnog.. damn californians | 19:32 | |
| kanzure | your tub is probably going to be inaccessible for a while | 19:33 |
| kanzure | the internet connection is really really slow | 19:33 |
| kanzure | hm it was off | 19:34 |
| fenn | your internet is going at 200 baud? | 19:51 |
| * fenn picks up the phone and makes swooshing noises | 19:52 | |
| kanzure | neat, quantification of mutation rates over 30 geenrations http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;327/5961/92 | 20:08 |
| kanzure | hm the connection just picked up significantly (ok, it's not much better) | 20:10 |
| kanzure | *generations | 20:10 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: what is for python-pysco ? | 20:48 |
| kristianpaul | in skdb | 20:48 |
| kanzure | python-ysco is not required, actually | 20:49 |
| kristianpaul | ok, so is not fault about skdb not work well on my machine | 20:53 |
| kristianpaul | is not its fault* | 20:53 |
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| kanzure | what? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | what do you mean skdb doesn't work well? | 20:55 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: help to test it please | 20:58 |
| kristianpaul | i think something is not working as it should | 20:58 |
| kanzure | i don't know what you're trying to do | 21:00 |
| kristianpaul | i dont what can i do actually | 21:01 |
| kristianpaul | dont know* | 21:01 |
| kanzure | what? | 21:01 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:01 |
| kanzure | well you can run paths.py if you want | 21:01 |
| kristianpaul | heh | 21:01 |
| kanzure | it shows a 3D visualization of an assembly of different CAD parts | 21:01 |
| kristianpaul | paul@micro:~/local/code2/skdb$ python paths.py | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Display3d class initialization starting ... | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Graphic device created. | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Xw_Window created. | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Viewer created. | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Interactive context created. | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Display3d class successfully initialized. | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | Traceback (most recent call last): | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | File "paths.py", line 172, in <module> | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | lego = Package("lego") | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | File "/home/paul/local/code2/skdb/core/package.py", line 96, in __init__ | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | pkg = Package.__load_package__(name, data=data) | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | File "/home/paul/local/code2/skdb/core/package.py", line 128, in __load_package__ | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | assert os.access(os.path.join(settings.package_path(package_name), file), os.F_OK) #check if present | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | AssertionError | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | paul@micro:~/local/code2/skdb$ | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | sorry but look ^ kanzure | 21:03 |
| kanzure | yeah you probably didn't run clients/skdb-get.py | 21:03 |
| kanzure | you have to download skdb packages too :) | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 21:03 |
| kanzure | so say: | 21:03 |
| kanzure | python clients/skdb-get.py lego | 21:03 |
| kanzure | in particular you should sudo that | 21:03 |
| kanzure | sudo python clients/skdb-get.py lego | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | yes i remenber | 21:03 |
| kanzure | this will install the lego package to /usr/share/local/skdb/ | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | paul@micro:~/local/code2/skdb$ sudo python clients/skdb-get.py lego | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | dir_location is: /home/paul/local/code2/skdb/clients/skdb-get.py | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | dir_location is: ['', 'home', 'paul', 'local', 'code2'] | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | getting package: lego | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | command is: cd "/usr/local/share/skdb/"; git clone "http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb-packages//lego/.git"; chmod -R a+rw * | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | fatal: destination directory 'lego' already exists. | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | paul@micro:~/local/code2/skdb$ | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | so?.. | 21:04 |
| kanzure | oh did you already download the package? | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | yup | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | i already ran that command | 21:04 |
| kanzure | what does your config.yaml say? | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 21:05 |
| kanzure | it should say your package dir is /usr/local/share/skdb/ | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: http://paste.debian.net/55634/ | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:06 |
| kanzure | can you show me what's in /usr/local/share/skdb/lego/ ? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | also try changing http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb-packages/ | 21:07 |
| kanzure | to http://adl.serveftp.org/packages/ | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 21:08 |
| CIA-3 | skdb: kanzure * r ace14ac /config.yaml: update the package repository URL | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: http://paste.debian.net/55635/ | 21:10 |
| kanzure | yeah that's not good | 21:10 |
| kanzure | sudo rmdir /usr/local/share/skdb/screw | 21:10 |
| kanzure | sudo rmdir /usr/local/share/skdb/lego | 21:10 |
| kanzure | and then update the URL in config.yaml to point to http://adl.serveftp.org/packages/ or http://designfiles.org/packages/ (either one) | 21:11 |
| kanzure | and then run: sudo python clients/skdb-get.py lego | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | yes i did | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | is getting finally ! | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | okay there is alego and some arrows showing in my screen kanzure | 21:13 |
| kristianpaul | after ran path.py | 21:14 |
| kanzure | cool :) | 21:15 |
| kanzure | there are some features under the "demo" menu- the main one that works right now is at the top, "add lego" | 21:15 |
| kanzure | you can then click on which lego you want to add an additional lego | 21:15 |
| kanzure | anyway, for now that's the most exciting visualization of what skdb is doing | 21:15 |
| kristianpaul | - run packages/lego/demo.py to demonstrate interface compatibility | 21:15 |
| kristianpaul | there is no this ^^^^^^^^^^ | 21:15 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: i want make a package ! | 21:16 |
| kanzure | ah, well demo.py is now in /usr/local/share/skdb/lego/demo.py | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | ah ok | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | please fix readme kanzure ;) | 21:16 |
| kanzure | to make a package you should copy either screw or lego for starters | 21:16 |
| kanzure | (1) make a folder. | 21:16 |
| kanzure | (2) turn it itnto a git repository | 21:17 |
| kanzure | (3) make a metadata.yaml file, and then a whatever.py file, and start testing it with "import skdb" in a python interpreter | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | i also want print stuff in my reprap by apt-get is that posible ;) ? | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | i get some desing done in heekscadm that guess are compatibles? | 21:18 |
| kanzure | do you have some heekscad designs already? | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | yup | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | i love heekscad | 21:19 |
| kanzure | i guess it could be the lego | 21:19 |
| kanzure | oh cool | 21:19 |
| CIA-3 | skdb: kanzure * r d085d48 /readme: updated the readme | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | is simple and intitutive | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 21:19 |
| kanzure | hm. i don't have a makerbot. could you explain what you "normally" have to do to make it print out a design? | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: i need a STL file | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | the conver to gcode | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | then print ! | 21:19 |
| kanzure | yes but how do you do that | 21:19 |
| kanzure | which buttons do you press i mean | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | where i press? | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | in replicator-g? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | er.. is that what you use? replicator-g? | 21:20 |
| * kristianpaul cries | 21:20 | |
| kanzure | so do you do skeinforge -> replicator-g -> makerbot? | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:20 |
| kanzure | okay cool | 21:21 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: btw i planning make a python based software for my growing mendel | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i think something can be arranged | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i'll need to look at skeinforge and replicator-g a bit, but i bet i can make it happen | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i have skeinforge installed. do you have a link to download/install replicator-g? | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 21:22 |
| kanzure | i just need to look at it | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: look this http://paste.debian.net/55636/ mean while i get the link | 21:23 |
| kanzure | we call that "opencascade puke" | 21:24 |
| kanzure | at the bottom is the lego demo's real output | 21:24 |
| kanzure | starting at line 122 | 21:24 |
| kanzure | the debian/ubuntu versions of opencascade were compiled with debug flags on or something.. so if someone goes back and recompiles them, without those flags, that will stop happening | 21:24 |
| kanzure | but nobody has bothered to do this yet | 21:24 |
| kristianpaul | argg | 21:24 |
| kristianpaul | i backported opencascade from squeeze to lenny | 21:25 |
| kanzure | nah that's fine | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | then? | 21:25 |
| kanzure | there is no .deb of opencascade that does *not* puke | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | :S | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: http://github.com/makerbot/ReplicatorG/downloads | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | i'll go sleep | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | se yay tomorow | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | nite all ! | 21:26 |
| kanzure | my connection is still slow, but if it decides to start working some more, i'll definitely take a look at hacking replicatorg into skdb so you can "apt-get install washing machine" and such :) | 21:26 |
| kanzure | night | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | cool | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | bye | 21:27 |
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| ybit | kanzure: did you generate the md5 hashes for the .deb? | 21:57 |
| ybit | nm | 21:57 |
| kanzure | nope | 21:57 |
| kanzure | not yet | 21:57 |
| ybit | hrm, this keyboard is plenty big but it can't keep up with my typing speed :\ | 21:57 |
| kanzure | isn't the kernel responsible for keyboard polling? | 21:58 |
| ybit | it's the mechanical setup of the keys | 21:58 |
| ybit | i have to press to hard for the key to recognized | 21:59 |
| ybit | s/to/too | 21:59 |
| kanzure | there you go again.. dropping out words | 21:59 |
| ybit | blame it on the keyboard? :) | 22:00 |
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| ybit | wb kanzure, what's going on with adl? | 12:41 |
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| ybit | hi ncravens | 12:43 |
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| ybit | for you nyc folks, i'm jealous: http://pulsewavenyc.com/about | 12:44 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/ is back up | 12:53 |
| kanzure | http://www.graphsynth.com/ <--- matt prettied up the site | 12:54 |
| kanzure | apparently it's called "acquia slate" | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | nice icon: http://mutantlabs.co.uk/images/main-bg2.jpg | 14:28 |
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| ybit | bkero: would you be willing to host openfarmtech.org? | 14:41 |
| bkero | ybit: another static http site? Sure | 14:42 |
| ybit | openfarmtech isn't static | 14:43 |
| ybit | so, i take it, that's a no | 14:43 |
| ybit | kanzure: who would be willing to host openfarmtech | 14:43 |
| ybit | MrClif: would you be willing to host openfarmtech.org? | 14:47 |
| ybit | they currently have a single person hosting it, but it has been unreliable | 14:48 |
| ybit | it was down for over a week | 14:48 |
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| bkero | ybit: ? | 15:18 |
| bkero | What is it, ruby or php? | 15:18 |
| ybit | it has some php in there | 15:21 |
| ybit | what about mediawiki? | 15:22 |
| bkero | whatever | 15:22 |
| bkero | I'm set up to handle php | 15:22 |
| bkero | and can give you a db | 15:22 |
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| ybit | hi marcin_ose :) | 15:26 |
| ybit | heath here | 15:26 |
| ybit | bkero, meet marcin_ose | 15:27 |
| ybit | kanzure: is bryan | 15:27 |
| ybit | fenn is ben | 15:27 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/m7a07d6b8 marcin_ose | 15:29 |
| Trooem | your name is heath? after Wuthering heights? that's cool. | 15:29 |
| Trooem | ledger apparently got that name after the movie | 15:30 |
| Trooem | i want a cool name :P | 15:30 |
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| ybit | Trooem: :P | 15:36 |
| ybit | it wasn't named from that movie | 15:36 |
| ybit | heath has been around for awhile | 15:36 |
| ybit | in some dictionaries, it means a barren wastefield :P | 15:36 |
| ybit | so it's not the coolest | 15:36 |
| ybit | anywho, bkero, marcin is new to irc, that was his first time to login | 15:36 |
| ybit | anyway, you two need to talk | 15:36 |
| ybit | vinay gupta has been hosting, but it's been down for a couple of weeks | 15:37 |
| ybit | i' | 15:37 |
| ybit | what's your email? i'll cc you and him | 15:37 |
| bkero | ben.kero@gmail.com | 15:39 |
| ybit | alright, i'll shoot you two an email in a little while | 15:56 |
| bkero | k | 15:56 |
| Trooem | oh ok | 16:08 |
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| kanzure | http://www.instructables.com/id/Lego-Microtome/ | 16:23 |
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| fenn | ug i hate chip tunes | 16:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: davinci lives | 16:41 |
| * bkero eats babbies | 16:41 | |
| kanzure | matt had to reconnect the ethernet | 16:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: also, the tub won't be online for a few days at least | 16:42 |
| kanzure | it turns out time warner cable decided to disconnect my internet service | 16:42 |
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| randallagordon | That's fun...excessive bandwidth usage? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | i was using their online payment system, and for the past 2 months i haven't been billed on it | 17:21 |
| kanzure | looking now i still don't see any charges | 17:21 |
| randallagordon | You're in Austin, yeah? Have you used, or know anyone who has, Clear's WiMAX service in the area? | 17:25 |
| kanzure | no. i do see lots of ads though. | 17:25 |
| fenn | i tried to sign up for it but they didnt want me :( | 17:27 |
| randallagordon | The company I'm helping build out just became a Clear retailer up here, anxiously awaiting getting my hands on some hardware to toy with | 17:27 |
| randallagordon | Aye, their credit req's are something I'm curious about | 17:28 |
| fenn | what am i going to do anyway, pawn off the modem? | 17:28 |
| randallagordon | Or were you at an address outside their service area? | 17:28 |
| randallagordon | Possibly | 17:28 |
| randallagordon | They can't deny you if you buy the equipment outright, which is an option | 17:28 |
| fenn | why can't they? | 17:29 |
| fenn | i mean if they just made everyone lease the modems it wouldnt be a problem if people "stole" them | 17:29 |
| randallagordon | But, under contract, that's exactly what they're afraid of, someone selling the equipment that is subsidied by the contract | 17:29 |
| randallagordon | No, that's the system we currently have with cellular, everyone is essentially leasing their equipment, that's a huge problem | 17:29 |
| randallagordon | Subsidies must go | 17:29 |
| fenn | meh | 17:29 |
| fenn | the problem with cellphones is they turn over in 12 months | 17:30 |
| kanzure | mine hasn't. | 17:30 |
| fenn | a clear modem isn't going to change much though | 17:30 |
| randallagordon | Not specific hardware kanzure, the "Infamous 12-Month Cycle" | 17:30 |
| fenn | i'd rather people reuse "old" modems | 17:31 |
| randallagordon | Bingo, they've got a huge chance to change the ballgame, but they also have to work with the economics people have come to expect, hence subsidied equipment so the modem can be "free" up front | 17:31 |
| fenn | they are near the theoretical limits anyway, so i don't see much room for improvement | 17:31 |
| fenn | randallagordon: you can buy the modem for $70 or lease it for $5/mo or something like that | 17:32 |
| fenn | if you only want to try it out for a few weeks, buying the modem doesn't make sense | 17:32 |
| randallagordon | Depends on the hardware for the buyout cost, but yes, $5/mo | 17:32 |
| fenn | what's wrong with that? | 17:32 |
| randallagordon | Well, we'll be providing demo units where possible | 17:32 |
| randallagordon | But that's at dealer cost | 17:32 |
| randallagordon | We're willing to find a way to sink it | 17:32 |
| randallagordon | Your local dealer may not be so willing | 17:33 |
| fenn | they wanted to give me a demo unit until they ran a credit check (i have no credit history) | 17:33 |
| fenn | at least i assume that's what happened | 17:33 |
| randallagordon | Quite possibly | 17:33 |
| fenn | it could have been an elaborate identity theft scam | 17:33 |
| randallagordon | that too, heh | 17:33 |
| randallagordon | Elborate would be the operative | 17:34 |
| randallagordon | Thus, highly unlikely ;) | 17:34 |
| randallagordon | We're aiming to sell "unlocked" devices (although technically that's anything WiMAX) and buck the subsidy system altogether | 17:35 |
| fenn | what does 'unlocked' mean? | 17:35 |
| randallagordon | I've dealt with it with customers for long enough to know it doesn't help either the provider or the customer, it just creates confusion and, in my opinion, unjusty shifts costs | 17:36 |
| randallagordon | Not tied to a specific carrier | 17:36 |
| fenn | er, but there's only one carrier right? | 17:36 |
| randallagordon | Hence my subnote | 17:36 |
| randallagordon | Although that could change rapidly if WiMAX starts catching on and people sitting on other unused licenses take note | 17:36 |
| randallagordon | So far as I know, however, there isn't really a way to "lock" a device that uses "WiMAX | 17:37 |
| randallagordon | " | 17:37 |
| randallagordon | Not sure why I'm using a quote there | 17:37 |
| randallagordon | I think I had a point I didn't quite get to | 17:37 |
| fenn | i'm sure there's plenty of ways | 17:37 |
| randallagordon | Oh, on the software side, aboslutely | 17:38 |
| fenn | firmware is what i was thinking | 17:38 |
| randallagordon | Only if the hardware providers continue to play favorites with the carriers | 17:38 |
| kanzure | you two are boring me. | 17:38 |
| randallagordon | which isn't likely considering how many hands are involved in Clear...they'd be directly competing with each other | 17:39 |
| fenn | so, what does your business do now? since you dont seem to be selling any modems | 17:39 |
| randallagordon | The fate of mobile internet is boring? | 17:39 |
| fenn | bryan != mobile | 17:39 |
| randallagordon | We buy, sell and trade used devices | 17:39 |
| randallagordon | Along with selling accessories such as covers and cases and whatnot...although that side bores me for now | 17:40 |
| randallagordon | We're looking into printing tech to let us print to blanks on-the-fly | 17:40 |
| fenn | blank whats? | 17:40 |
| randallagordon | So we can do custom designs | 17:40 |
| randallagordon | Cell phone snap-on covers, cases, etc. | 17:40 |
| fenn | hmm.. 3d printers arent usually glossy enough for discerning apple fetishists | 17:41 |
| randallagordon | As a topic in this room, the business is bland and boring ;) | 17:41 |
| randallagordon | Unless I start talking plans 5+ years out | 17:41 |
| * fenn is reading about the "thinned array curse" | 17:42 | |
| randallagordon | Heh, apple fetishists can suck it | 17:42 |
| * randallagordon is no fan of Apple | 17:42 | |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinned_array_curse | 17:42 |
| fenn | cellphones seem to be headed for a one-size-fits-all consolidation, whereas i want a more modular user-configurable hardware system | 17:44 |
| MrClif | Hi, I saw the email about Openfarm Tech. | 17:44 |
| randallagordon | Not if I have anything to say about it | 17:45 |
| MrClif | I would love to host it if you haven't found a good home yet. | 17:45 |
| randallagordon | One of my end goals would be device design | 17:45 |
| randallagordon | My dream device would be a couple FPGAs to handle everything, including SDR functionality | 17:46 |
| fenn | SDR? | 17:46 |
| fenn | oh software radio | 17:46 |
| randallagordon | Software Defined Radio | 17:46 |
| fenn | well that's not going to happen any time soon | 17:46 |
| randallagordon | So, yeah, one-size-fits-all, but more in a "last device you'll ever need" sense | 17:47 |
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| randallagordon | It can happen right now | 17:47 |
| fenn | not for GHz signals | 17:47 |
| fenn | wimax is pretty low freq though | 17:47 |
| randallagordon | Only need it to cover up to the 2.4GHz band to cover basically all commercial apps | 17:48 |
| fenn | oops wimax is GHz | 17:48 |
| fenn | anyway the point was that FPGA's can't synthesize 2.4GHz signals | 17:49 |
| fenn | they aren't fast enough | 17:49 |
| randallagordon | WiMAX is mostly used on the 700MHz band | 17:49 |
| fenn | see that's what i thought, but wikipedia only mentions 2.3-5GHz | 17:50 |
| randallagordon | It runs on all sorts of freqs | 17:50 |
| randallagordon | You can run a protocol on nearly any band, so long as you ahve the bandwidth | 17:51 |
| fenn | ok.. but the antenna on the pole outside is a certain fixed frequency right? | 17:52 |
| randallagordon | And you can get away from needing to generate the actual 2.4GHz signal by just generating your data signal, then do the rest the old fashioned radio way, with a carrier | 17:52 |
| randallagordon | There are a lot of issues to overcome, yes | 17:52 |
| fenn | interesting.. the USRP has been used for synthetic aperture radar | 17:54 |
| randallagordon | As for antennas, I'm busy trying to find a link, I believe it was some research done at MIT, but basically the idea is to model an antenna after the cochlea...broadband antennas with amazing gain | 17:55 |
| fenn | heh DIY cellphone tower: http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ | 17:56 |
| randallagordon | I'd love to see nothing less than an open source radio system that has zero patent encumberances...that's a ways off, though | 17:57 |
| superkuh | randallagordon: softrock. | 17:57 |
| randallagordon | superkuh, I'm familiar...I was going to order a completed kit, but they were out of stock :/ | 17:58 |
| randallagordon | haven't checked in in a couple months though | 17:58 |
| fenn | an open FPGA system would be a nice start, and mostly just a matter of money for the chip fabbing | 17:58 |
| randallagordon | I want a 2m version badly...I may just have to break down and actually get my iron out | 17:58 |
| superkuh | I have a softrock 40 kit coming in the mail. | 17:58 |
| randallagordon | Nice | 17:59 |
| randallagordon | I want to toy with APRS...at least...receving signals, for now...still need to actually get off my rear and get licensed | 17:59 |
| superkuh | I emailed kb9yig about the full softrock 9 kits last week but have received no response. | 17:59 |
| superkuh | Regardless, the schematics, board layout, and part numbers are out there. | 18:00 |
| randallagordon | holy crikey, they're completely wiped out :/ | 18:01 |
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| superkuh | It is best to check kb9yig's site every few days. He'll have parts for a kit and it'll be gone the next day. | 18:02 |
| randallagordon | oh wow | 18:02 |
| randallagordon | noted | 18:02 |
| randallagordon | http://web.mit.edu/press/2009/bio-electronics-0603.html | 18:03 |
| randallagordon | Behold the CochleAntenna! (Anti-Trademarked) | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | as predicted | 18:04 |
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| MrClif | yep openbts trys out their code at BM. They adapted a shade structure design of mine. | 18:25 |
| randallagordon | BM? Burning Man? | 18:26 |
| MrClif | yep. | 18:26 |
| randallagordon | Well, BA. ;) | 18:26 |
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| * randallagordon has yet to partake in the BM goodness... | 18:26 | |
| * randallagordon sighs... | 18:27 | |
| MrClif | :-) yeah lots of hacking going on there... | 18:27 |
| randallagordon | I have my heart set on this being the first year | 18:27 |
| MrClif | what part of the country do you hale from? | 18:28 |
| * randallagordon ponders ways of making such a trip a tax writeoff... | 18:28 | |
| randallagordon | Oregon | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | So I have no excuse on the distance end of things... | 18:28 |
| MrClif | really??? so am I. | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | Lebanon | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | Sodaville, specifically | 18:28 |
| MrClif | Eugene. | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | Very nice | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | there seems to be several of us in here | 18:28 |
| MrClif | just landed there a month or so back. | 18:28 |
| randallagordon | bkero is in Corvallis | 18:29 |
| randallagordon | ...couple other guys I talked to the first few days I started dropping in, but I can't remember their handles | 18:29 |
| MrClif | I've been lucky enough to fly to BM these past few years. | 18:29 |
| MrClif | I have a friend in Albany who drove the truck this year. | 18:30 |
| randallagordon | Awesome...I had some friends at OIT who went each year | 18:30 |
| randallagordon | Of course, the year I show up, they stop going... | 18:30 |
| bkero | 8) | 18:30 |
| bkero | Corvallis is pretty 8) | 18:30 |
| MrClif | yes it is. | 18:31 |
| randallagordon | That it is | 18:31 |
| MrClif | so Randall, you've already been to BM? | 18:31 |
| * randallagordon wishes Petersens Butte wasn't in the way of his view of the city | 18:31 | |
| randallagordon | Negative, I want to, but haven't had the chance | 18:31 |
| MrClif | because I hack on wifi stuff I make BM a tax writeoff. | 18:32 |
| MrClif | I'm sure it is for the openbts guys too. | 18:32 |
| randallagordon | That's kinda what I'm thinking | 18:32 |
| MrClif | Just call it R&D for whatever company you have. | 18:32 |
| randallagordon | I want to toy with some web based games that use smartphones as controllers, especially incorporating LBS goodness...so I see no reason I can't write it off ;) | 18:33 |
| MrClif | So Bkero, I guess you want to host openfarmtech. | 18:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: kristianpual kindly asked us to do an export tool for skdb-get to go from skdb packages to replicatorg->skeinforge->makerbot | 18:33 |
| kanzure | was wondering if you'd be willing to take a crack at it | 18:33 |
| MrClif | I have a fairly big server(s) in the BA. with lots of BW. | 18:33 |
| randallagordon | *sigh*...so many B acronyms... BA? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | bay area? | 18:35 |
| MrClif | yep. | 18:35 |
| randallagordon | ...likely candidate, for sure | 18:35 |
| kanzure | bkero: ping? | 18:36 |
| randallagordon | Nice...my company is looking at getting a half rack in PDX | 18:36 |
| MrClif | I'm currently hosting non-profits for free. | 18:36 |
| randallagordon | Likely stick with 1U for a while though, heh...half a rack is just geek cred for us at the moment...major overkill | 18:37 |
| MrClif | I have extra slots in my rack also. | 18:37 |
| bkero | kanzure: pong | 18:38 |
| MrClif | So Bkero, I guess you want to host openfarmtech? | 18:38 |
| bkero | Sure | 18:39 |
| bkero | Mediawiki? | 18:40 |
| MrClif | I have twiki installed but i'm happy to install other packages. | 18:40 |
| bkero | Up to you | 18:41 |
| bkero | Is it PHP? | 18:41 |
| MrClif | I have a lot of disk space and currently about 50Mb/s to use. | 18:41 |
| MrClif | les LAMP. | 18:41 |
| MrClif | s/les/yes/ | 18:41 |
| MrClif | with shell access ofcouse. | 18:42 |
| bkero | I have unmetered gigabit and about 4TB at a datacentre. | 18:43 |
| bkero | I'm going to have to figure out a caching solution. I think varnishd would work well. | 18:43 |
| bkero | And I should learn to use it for work anyway, so... | 18:43 |
| MrClif | I think they may have GB at isc now but I haven't checked if it came through yet. | 18:44 |
| MrClif | its all unmetered as long as I host non-profits. | 18:44 |
| randallagordon | bkero, OSL? | 18:45 |
| bkero | Ah. I only host open source projects on mine :) | 18:45 |
| bkero | randallagordon: Yea, I work for the OSL. | 18:45 |
| randallagordon | Very nice | 18:45 |
| * randallagordon remembers visiting "The Hive" years ago | 18:45 | |
| MrClif | cool. | 18:45 |
| * bkero has a project right now that needs some special screws :/ | 18:46 | |
| bkero | Very thin ones | 18:46 |
| MrClif | Well I would love to host some worthy non-profites thats what I built my rack for mostly. | 18:46 |
| bkero | Up to you guys. I want to see if my caching would survive a slashdot/redditing. :P | 18:46 |
| randallagordon | hehe, nobel cause | 18:47 |
| MrClif | is that a distributed cache? | 18:47 |
| randallagordon | noble even | 18:47 |
| bkero | varnishd? | 18:48 |
| bkero | It can use memcached, so yea. | 18:48 |
| bkero | I shouldn't need to distribute it much. | 18:48 |
| bkero | It's a dual quad xeon with 16gb RAM | 18:48 |
| bkero | 802.3AD bonded gigabit adapters :) | 18:48 |
| bkero | and 2x X25-E's for rootfs | 18:48 |
| MrClif | cool... I have a couple of of those with 20gb or so... | 18:48 |
| MrClif | yeah that sounds nice! | 18:49 |
| bkero | x25e's for the databases, hilarious fast | 18:52 |
| bkero | For DB operations, 1 is as fast as 6 SAS drives | 18:53 |
| MrClif | yes, but wouldn't it be safer to use them in a mostly read enviorment? | 18:53 |
| MrClif | Well, us oregonians should get together for pizza some time.. | 18:55 |
| bkero | Where are you? | 18:58 |
| bkero | The SSDs? | 18:58 |
| MrClif | in Eugene. | 18:58 |
| randallagordon | "hilarious fast", that's awesome | 18:58 |
| bkero | Their write endurance cycle is above hard drives | 18:58 |
| MrClif | yes the SSDs | 18:58 |
| MrClif | Really??? | 18:58 |
| bkero | I could write hundreds of giga to them per day and they'd last over 20 years | 18:58 |
| bkero | gigs | 18:58 |
| MrClif | wow... | 18:58 |
| randallagordon | Are they SLC or MLC? | 18:59 |
| bkero | http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3532&p=11 | 18:59 |
| bkero | These ones are SLC | 18:59 |
| MrClif | I kinda like my Supermicro cases they have 8 SATA slots in a 2U case. | 18:59 |
| bkero | Chenbro makes a 3U case with 20 SATA slots. | 18:59 |
| bkero | For $300 | 18:59 |
| randallagordon | wow | 18:59 |
| * randallagordon wants | 18:59 | |
| MrClif | yes Chenbro is.... wow that's cheep! | 18:59 |
| bkero | It's on newegg | 18:59 |
| bkero | It even came with a free Tyan motherboard for a while | 19:00 |
| MrClif | hmmm... | 19:00 |
| MrClif | I tend to use SM Mobos. | 19:00 |
| MrClif | though they are a little pricy | 19:00 |
| bkero | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219033 | 19:01 |
| bkero | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219021 | 19:01 |
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| MrClif | Anyway we have Pizza research institute down here in Eugene, and some of my hacker friends and I sometimes go there on fridays. | 19:03 |
| bkero | Oh, you're down in Eugene, cool. | 19:03 |
| bkero | PRI is good, it's where the science pub is too. | 19:03 |
| MrClif | :-) | 19:03 |
| bkero | I usually go down there to get Toshi's, Sweet Life, or Off The Waffle. | 19:03 |
| MrClif | Well let me know when your in town. | 19:04 |
| randallagordon | PRI? | 19:04 |
| * randallagordon raises an eyebrow... | 19:04 | |
| MrClif | yes Pizza research institute | 19:04 |
| randallagordon | Is this just the name of a pizza joint, or...something more? | 19:04 |
| bkero | Pizza joint | 19:05 |
| MrClif | a pizza joint that brodens ones horizans. | 19:05 |
| MrClif | If you guys want to come down sometime I would throw in a tour of my FreeSwitch VoIP system. | 19:07 |
| randallagordon | I'm down | 19:07 |
| bkero | Sure | 19:07 |
| MrClif | my phone bill went from over $75/mo to under $6 /mo | 19:07 |
| bkero | I'm busy this weekend, driving up to Portland to do a RAM upgrade. | 19:07 |
| * randallagordon is highly interested in building a VoIP system of his own | 19:07 | |
| * bkero has asterisk running on his colo :) | 19:07 | |
| MrClif | cool... | 19:07 |
| bkero | Phone numbers in Switzerland, India, Oregon, and Montana. | 19:08 |
| * randallagordon needs to get around to seeing what can be done about running Asterisk on his Pre | 19:08 | |
| randallagordon | Noice | 19:08 |
| MrClif | FS was started by a frustrated * developer. | 19:08 |
| bkero | You mean a SIP client? I'm not sure if there is one. | 19:08 |
| randallagordon | Well, both | 19:08 |
| randallagordon | I just want to toy | 19:08 |
| kanzure | "we're showing that you haven't paid us. ever." | 19:08 |
| randallagordon | One of the firmware opened up a lot of goodness via gstreamer | 19:08 |
| randallagordon | I still need to look at what is possible | 19:08 |
| MrClif | I have gotten service from Magic Jack. | 19:09 |
| randallagordon | It appears that Palm is embracing SDL as the "low level" API of choice... | 19:09 |
| bkero | I actually host the development for the Pre :) | 19:09 |
| MrClif | Nice. | 19:09 |
| randallagordon | Preware/webos-internals? | 19:09 |
| bkero | Yes | 19:09 |
| randallagordon | Very nice | 19:09 |
| bkero | webos-internals is the VM I remember fucking with | 19:09 |
| bkero | Hosted by the nas-central and nslu2-linux guys | 19:09 |
| MrClif | I also have skype service on my PBX. | 19:09 |
| randallagordon | Well, kudos! | 19:09 |
| MrClif | Ok well I guess we can try for the 15th or there abouts if you're busy this weekend. | 19:10 |
| * randallagordon just thinks it would be cool to originate calls using the cellular network...no good reason...just to see it done | 19:11 | |
| MrClif | Hey I found a $35 12 port PoE that powers all my cisco extensions. | 19:11 |
| randallagordon | Nice | 19:11 |
| MrClif | you can get old cisco phones on ebay for about $35 each. | 19:12 |
| * bkero thinks it would be cool to get a data-only cell plan and use VOIP | 19:12 | |
| randallagordon | I'm going to need to look into PoE at some point for a sensor network project for hydroponics | 19:12 |
| * randallagordon agrees, whole heartedly | 19:12 | |
| randallagordon | Soon, bkero, soon... | 19:12 |
| MrClif | yes. | 19:12 |
| randallagordon | At least, soon without violating TOS ;) | 19:12 |
| randallagordon | That can be done right now, lol | 19:13 |
| bkero | It can be, but no carrier will give you a data-only plan really :/ | 19:13 |
| bkero | I tried convincing them I was deaf | 19:13 |
| bkero | They still didn't care. | 19:13 |
| randallagordon | LoL | 19:13 |
| randallagordon | Clear should change some of that | 19:13 |
| parolang` | lol | 19:13 |
| bkero | lol | 19:13 |
| bkero | My friend works for clear | 19:13 |
| randallagordon | I hope, anyways | 19:13 |
| bkero | WiMAX is rolled out in Corvallis already. | 19:13 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/ is back up now :) yay | 19:14 |
| randallagordon | Just signed the paperwork to become a Clear dealer last week | 19:14 |
| bkero | I share the colo with my friend who works for Clear. | 19:14 |
| MrClif | Already???? how many years have we been waiting for wimax? | 19:14 |
| randallagordon | Did you tell Time Warner to suck it, kanzure? (That is who you said you were with?) | 19:14 |
| randallagordon | MrClif, too many | 19:14 |
| bkero | MrClif: I could have had it in 2008 if I lived in Portland. :P | 19:14 |
| kanzure | randallagordon: i made them wave my damn payments | 19:14 |
| kanzure | and reconnect service | 19:14 |
| randallagordon | kanzure, w00t, kick their asses | 19:15 |
| MrClif | :-) | 19:15 |
| randallagordon | I recently gave Comcast what-for over discoing me for "excessive use" | 19:15 |
| randallagordon | I'm sorry that I'm in a multi-user household with multiple people streaming HD simultaneously...catch up already. | 19:15 |
| MrClif | nice that you could pull that off. | 19:15 |
| bkero | randallagordon: Get a business line, they don't care what you do | 19:16 |
| bkero | and it's faster :) | 19:16 |
| randallagordon | Even managed to get a direct reply from Scott McNulty, one of the guys who runs Comcast Voices | 19:16 |
| bkero | I can do around 2.2MB/sec down | 19:16 |
| kanzure | bkero: how much are you paying | 19:16 |
| randallagordon | heh, not if you're using DOCSIS 3 ;) | 19:16 |
| randallagordon | Unless they have started offering business plans for DOCSIS3 | 19:17 |
| bkero | Doesn't DOCSIS 3 go up pretty far? | 19:17 |
| ybit | what are the steps to take in order for the city to adopt post-scarcity lifestyle? you have the farm, with the food and manufacturing facilities, but then what? advocate other people to do the same with their property? maybe get a neighborhood to create their own manufacturing facility and farm? | 19:17 |
| randallagordon | My buddy gets > 10MB/s | 19:17 |
| bkero | ybit: distributed farming? | 19:17 |
| randallagordon | I don't have it yet, I'm sticking with the 16Mbit tier for now | 19:17 |
| bkero | With post-scarcity, is there still a barrier to entry? | 19:18 |
| randallagordon | I burst and saturate the interface though...kinda cool...business plans don't have "SpeedBoost" or whatever they call it, do they? | 19:18 |
| bkero | DOCSIS 1.0 is 10Mbit, DOCSIS 2.0 is 31Mbit | 19:18 |
| bkero | No, you get "SpeedBoost" the entire time. | 19:18 |
| randallagordon | I pull a steady 3.3 while "SpeedBoost"ing | 19:19 |
| bkero | Well, both DOCSIS 1 and 2 support 43Mbit down, and 10/31 upstream | 19:19 |
| ybit | i'd like to know how much food i can expect from 6 acres (2 acre fruit tree garden, regular garden, and a 2 acre hydroponic garden) | 19:19 |
| ybit | what the energy consumption is | 19:19 |
| bkero | DOCSIS 3.0 supports multiplexing, so you get n * 43Mbit down | 19:19 |
| ybit | (that's not as big a deal) | 19:19 |
| bkero | ybit: Depends on how dense you plant :) | 19:19 |
| ybit | and how much one can expect the manufacturing facility to produce, what are the communities needs, how many people can we realistically take care of with this setup | 19:20 |
| bkero | Some plants grow like shit when planted densely, others grow fine. | 19:20 |
| fenn | ybit: cities import resources, by definition | 19:20 |
| ybit | hydroponic garden allows a city to grow stuff in their buildings | 19:20 |
| randallagordon | http://omegagarden.com | 19:21 |
| fenn | not really, not unless you have some magic energy source | 19:21 |
| randallagordon | That would be the limiting factor | 19:21 |
| ybit | i don't know how well this will take off, maybe it will, maybe it will be a mild movement until we have mol. assemblers? | 19:21 |
| ybit | this being start a self-sufficient community based on non-mol. assemblers, (through what i've described) | 19:22 |
| MrClif | I have a friend who just planted a 7 acre farm in NM. | 19:22 |
| randallagordon | Let's "just" build a giant solar array in space and beam the energy back via microwave. Problem solved. ;) | 19:22 |
| fenn | we have "stuff assemblers" - why do molecular assemblers change anything? | 19:22 |
| MrClif | and we can cook our food too! | 19:22 |
| ybit | and hope that others start to adopt it, i think some tech will be adopted, you can lower the costs of certain machines, making the standard of living better because the costs of these goods are dropped as well, making more goods accessible to more people? | 19:23 |
| ybit | fenn: because you don't need so much space | 19:23 |
| randallagordon | MrClif, that farm, is it hydro? | 19:23 |
| fenn | most places are mostly empty space anyway | 19:23 |
| * randallagordon has a small hydro setup in a spare bedroom...has interestes in CEA | 19:23 | |
| fenn | SHELVES | 19:24 |
| ybit | http://imgbin.org/images/1125.png | 19:24 |
| ybit | the top part is the 19 acres | 19:24 |
| ybit | the bottom part well, it needs to be revised, but that's the inaccurate drawing of the 37 acres | 19:25 |
| kanzure | sigh | 19:25 |
| MrClif | nope just a typicall farm. | 19:25 |
| ybit | but it isn't optimized for community needs, neither are | 19:25 |
| fenn | i see a lot of white space | 19:25 |
| MrClif | how long is the runway? | 19:25 |
| ybit | the runway was so that i could share with other commuinities across the nation, i've since decided it's best to use the land to produce more stuff? hrm.. | 19:26 |
| MrClif | were is your land? | 19:26 |
| ybit | MrClif: florence, al | 19:26 |
| ybit | er, center star , al, outside of florence, al | 19:26 |
| MrClif | ah... | 19:26 |
| ybit | MrClif: hard to say how long it is, this is all just made up on the spot | 19:27 |
| ybit | not accurate | 19:27 |
| ybit | the well, the fruit trees are already there, we dig the pond within the month | 19:28 |
| MrClif | well 3000' would be just fine 2400' in a pinch for most planes. | 19:28 |
| ybit | the creek is there as well | 19:28 |
| ybit | kanzure: you are sighing, why? | 19:29 |
| kanzure | wtf are you doing | 19:29 |
| ybit | great question | 19:29 |
| kanzure | ok. then get back to work | 19:30 |
| kanzure | i don't mean to be a party pooper. | 19:30 |
| ybit | too late :) | 19:30 |
| MrClif | I was starting to wonder if anyone here ever got any work done. ;-) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | believe it or not, before you showed up we did | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ever since i gave that stupid presentation | 19:31 |
| MrClif | Right... | 19:31 |
| kanzure | nobody has done a thing | 19:31 |
| * fenn is on vacation, or something | 19:31 | |
| kanzure | well i only mention you because you showed up around the time of the presentation :) | 19:31 |
| fenn | actually i think i went on vacation after moving out of the mold hole (the retreat) | 19:31 |
| kanzure | mabe that mold was doing something good | 19:31 |
| kanzure | go download replicatorg and hack it into skdb | 19:32 |
| fenn | ug | 19:32 |
| kanzure | i can't do everything all at once :( | 19:32 |
| fenn | how am i supposed to figure out how to make skeinforge work? | 19:32 |
| kanzure | i need you guys | 19:32 |
| kanzure | i think you should ignore skeinforge for now | 19:32 |
| kanzure | that's my gag reflex at least | 19:32 |
| fenn | but.. but | 19:32 |
| * fenn has NIH syndrome | 19:32 | |
| kanzure | me too.. at least when it comes to skeinforge | 19:33 |
| fenn | hm well at least replicatorg has a project page | 19:33 |
| kanzure | i've never used replicatorg but i imagine there's a simple way to say "skdb.build -> replicatorg" or somesuch | 19:33 |
| kanzure | heh | 19:33 |
| ybit | see, the problem i'm seeing is that i'm able to be self-sufficient, but i don't want it to just be me and some friends, i'd like for the whole town and surrounding cities to be so as well. the problem i'm trying to figure out is how to do this. skdb and facilities with the equipment to make quite a bit of this stuff, the farms like factor-e-farm, and some other stuff will contribute in raising the standard of living; potentially freeing time for people | 19:34 |
| fenn | lulz "Support as much of the GCode specification as possible" | 19:34 |
| kanzure | ybit: i think you should focus on scaling up *after* you have something that works | 19:34 |
| ybit | i'd rather not going about this problem blindly | 19:35 |
| kanzure | what problem | 19:35 |
| ybit | s/going/go ..the one stated above | 19:35 |
| kanzure | yes, the problem is scaling up | 19:36 |
| kanzure | but you don't even know what your'e scaling up yet | 19:36 |
| kanzure | i thought you just said you don't want to be blind? | 19:36 |
| ybit | indeed | 19:36 |
| ybit | that's why i come in here and ask for random people to pick apart flaws in my logic | 19:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: did you see killburn's email to om re: skdb and one-click ordering? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | i guess i should say s/one-click ordering/one-arm ordering/ har har har | 19:37 |
| fenn | no i am way behind on email | 19:37 |
| kanzure | me too.. for once. | 19:37 |
| kanzure | anyway that was a good email and worth reading (among others that suck) | 19:37 |
| kanzure | it wasn't anything new but it was nice to see our ideas being bounced back at us | 19:38 |
| fenn | hm | 19:38 |
| fenn | i think i need to set up IMAP forwarding | 19:39 |
| fenn | for email to not suck | 19:39 |
| kanzure | whyzthat | 19:39 |
| kanzure | where are you going to forward it to? | 19:39 |
| fenn | my local machine, wherever that happens to be | 19:40 |
| fenn | i think IMAP is sort of like a distributed mailbox (i think) | 19:40 |
| fenn | worst case scenario i can git clone my ~/mail/ right? | 19:41 |
| fenn | actually that won't work because sdf doesn't have enough disk space :( | 19:41 |
| fenn | was "killburn" highly recent? (last half hour) | 19:43 |
| kanzure | no, last few days though | 19:43 |
| ybit | am i wrong in thinking that mol. assemblers will get us to post-scarcity? | 19:43 |
| ybit | is post-scarcity the answer | 19:43 |
| ybit | i'm going to say yes to the latter | 19:44 |
| QuantumG | mol. assemblers will be restricted | 19:44 |
| QuantumG | the writing is on the wall on that one | 19:44 |
| ybit | ? | 19:44 |
| fenn | says who? | 19:44 |
| QuantumG | they're already legislating it... and the technology doesn't even exist yet | 19:44 |
| fenn | linkage plz | 19:44 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: who cares if they are legislating it? | 19:44 |
| ybit | please | 19:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: i was way off. "Jonathan Kuniholm" | 19:45 |
| QuantumG | so unless someone deliberately leaks it, it'll be as restricted as nuclear materials. | 19:45 |
| ybit | meh | 19:45 |
| QuantumG | although, frankly, if nuclear materials were capable of self-replicating I don't know how restricted you could make them :) | 19:46 |
| kanzure | you only need to leak a replicator once | 19:46 |
| fenn | nuclear non-proliferation worked because you can't create uranium from everyday materials | 19:46 |
| fenn | exzackerly | 19:46 |
| ybit | QuantumG: where did you read this? is this just hearsay? | 19:46 |
| QuantumG | ya kidding right? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | QuantumG is into this sort of trolling | 19:46 |
| QuantumG | kanzure fuck you | 19:46 |
| QuantumG | I'm not trolling | 19:47 |
| kanzure | it's true though | 19:47 |
| ybit | if you could link to some discussion or whatever it is, that would be nice | 19:47 |
| kanzure | tell me you're not excited by trying to make ybit give up | 19:47 |
| QuantumG | read any literature on molecular manufacturing | 19:47 |
| ybit | "We can't afford to have unrestricted molecular manufacturing widely available to individuals. Criminals and terrorists would invent new products faster than society could compensate. Hobbyists would invent grey goo for the fun of it, just as computer viruses and worms are developed and spread today. Availability to individuals implies availability to governments, which implies arms races and various covert and nasty uses. Widespread individual use of | 19:48 |
| ybit | http://www.crnano.org/solutions.htm | 19:48 |
| fenn | anyway.. ybit a lot of the technologies/social structures needed to make good use of molecular assemblers are also needed to make good use of regular fabrication machinery | 19:48 |
| ybit | it doesn't mention legislation but it's certainly a weird take on it | 19:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: yep | 19:48 |
| fenn | crnano is dingbatty | 19:49 |
| QuantumG | ya.. about 90% of what is written about mol. manufacturing is about restricting it.. | 19:49 |
| kanzure | *cough* | 19:49 |
| QuantumG | its like a requirement of any funding application too | 19:49 |
| fenn | "criminals and terrorists would invent new products faster than society could compensate"?? | 19:50 |
| fenn | fscking google those terrorists!!! | 19:50 |
| QuantumG | they'd be free | 19:50 |
| QuantumG | we can't have that | 19:50 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: are you serious? | 19:50 |
| ybit | :P | 19:50 |
| QuantumG | am I serious that people think that? yes | 19:51 |
| kanzure | no are you serious that you don't want me freely making things | 19:51 |
| QuantumG | quite the opposite | 19:51 |
| kanzure | okay. i feel slightly better now. | 19:51 |
| kanzure | then why are you propagating all this other crap? | 19:51 |
| ybit | we can all look silly with emoticons which depict a tongue hanging out of the mouth now | 19:52 |
| QuantumG | cause they're fuckers and you need to be aware of it | 19:52 |
| kanzure | or i can just avoid them | 19:52 |
| QuantumG | you can't avoid it if you're not aware of it | 19:52 |
| ybit | hard to avoid if you aren't aware of them in the first place | 19:52 |
| ybit | hey, stop that~ | 19:52 |
| kanzure | it's worked so far | 19:52 |
| kanzure | but in general yes i do know that people suck | 19:52 |
| ybit | <- example | 19:52 |
| fenn | ybit stop sucking! | 19:53 |
| QuantumG | its really sad when you see the best people in the field toeing the line on non-proliferation | 19:54 |
| kanzure | blah internet connection just dropped like a rock | 19:54 |
| QuantumG | Merkle has written some stuff where he describes a "safe containment" system for non-proliferation. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | really? | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | you do all your experimenting in the containment system and then you have to get permission to get your creation built on a non-contained system.. which are restricted. | 19:55 |
| ybit | link, linkage appreciated | 19:55 |
| kanzure | that is sad. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | so what i keep wondering about, on a broader level | 19:56 |
| kanzure | is that if these people are really worried about local disasters that we can cause | 19:56 |
| kanzure | then why are they not worried that some super ai and/or super goo is coming to get us from another galaxy and or solar system | 19:56 |
| fenn | because so far it hasn't | 19:56 |
| kanzure | because if you hit the exponentials somewhere else in the galaxy it doesn't take that long to happen | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | yeah, umm.. it was probably in "Nanotechnolgy is coming" or "Speeding the development of molecular nanotechnology" http://www.merkle.com/merkleDir/papers.html | 19:56 |
| ybit | thanks QuantumG | 19:57 |
| fenn | it's extremely unlikely that extraterrestrial nanotech will crash-land on earth before we develop it ourselves | 19:57 |
| kanzure | yeah but let's say that they get their wish | 19:57 |
| fenn | personally i think extraterrestrial nanotech crash-landed on earth 4 billion years ago... | 19:57 |
| kanzure | and they preventa ll human development | 19:57 |
| MrClif | is that like Spiderman 3?? | 19:57 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: we could detect battle cruisers around a nearby star and the governments of the world wouldn't be concerned. | 19:57 |
| * ybit procedes to rape the server | 19:57 | |
| kanzure | QuantumG: that's not what i'm talking about | 19:57 |
| ybit | proceeds, w/e | 19:58 |
| kanzure | we do not have full control of the galaxies.. so controlling our local planet isn't going to prevent a super intergalactic grey goo incident | 19:58 |
| * kanzure gives ybit some procedes to rape the server | 19:58 | |
| ybit | :) | 19:58 |
| fenn | ybit: don't you already have a mirror? | 19:59 |
| ybit | not of that site | 19:59 |
| QuantumG | http://www.imm.org/publications/reports/repnj9902/ | 19:59 |
| ybit | give me a few minutes though | 19:59 |
| kanzure | hey why isn't my site torrented yet? | 19:59 |
| ybit | because we mentioned archiving it | 19:59 |
| ybit | h+ archive: books, papers, and sites of interest | 20:00 |
| QuantumG | there's a certain element of human thinking that wants the world to be static and unchanging | 20:00 |
| fenn | it's called getting old | 20:00 |
| QuantumG | "as bad as it is right now, at least I know how bad it is." | 20:00 |
| * fenn was reading future shock | 20:00 | |
| fenn | i should have stole that book | 20:01 |
| QuantumG | .. and people grudgingly accept change. | 20:01 |
| QuantumG | but, to be honest, there's also a sensible fear of power.. and don't go saying "well, we're happy geeks, we'll never use our power to dominate others.." cause every day I hear some geek proclaiming how he thinks it should be and shudder to imagine him having any real power. | 20:02 |
| fenn | ... so we should give all the power to reactionary governments? | 20:05 |
| QuantumG | ybit: that link has a nice set of references | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | hello zancas | 20:06 |
| QuantumG | fenn: taking their power away in a way that doesn't transfer it to someone else would be nicer.. | 20:07 |
| fenn | hmm imap doesn't fix my problem | 20:07 |
| QuantumG | but I don't really have the solution to that.. the next closest thing is to get away from them | 20:07 |
| kanzure | yep | 20:07 |
| fenn | QuantumG: i would hate to live in your world where everybody is powerless | 20:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: what problem are you having precisely? | 20:08 |
| fenn | kanzure: not enough server space on sdf to keep every message for all eternity | 20:08 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:08 |
| QuantumG | fenn: it's not my world, and you do live in that world | 20:08 |
| zancas | howdy | 20:08 |
| fenn | QuantumG: whatever | 20:08 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: that's where you and i differ on opinions | 20:09 |
| kanzure | you think it's hopeless | 20:09 |
| QuantumG | not at all | 20:09 |
| kanzure | "and you do live in that world" | 20:09 |
| kanzure | "where everyybody is powerless" | 20:09 |
| kanzure | s/everyybody/everybody/ | 20:09 |
| QuantumG | yeah.. you live in a world where people have allowed power to be concentrated into the monstrosities of governments and corporations that we see around us. | 20:10 |
| QuantumG | doesn't mean there's nothing we can do about it. | 20:10 |
| fenn | that's different from nobody having power | 20:10 |
| QuantumG | yes, sorry, it's a minor difference | 20:10 |
| QuantumG | power is relative and the vast majority of people are powerless compared to national interests | 20:11 |
| * fenn thinks this is rapidly devolving into philosophy | 20:11 | |
| QuantumG | damn it | 20:11 |
| QuantumG | hate it when that happens | 20:11 |
| kanzure | yawn | 20:11 |
| kanzure | back to work | 20:11 |
| kanzure | these torrents are too slow | 20:12 |
| kanzure | does anyone know of a fast way to steal sql server 2003+? | 20:13 |
| fenn | why would anyone want that | 20:14 |
| kanzure | recovering some data from an MS SQL database | 20:14 |
| genehacker | unrestricted molecular manufacturing is fun molecular manufacturing | 20:19 |
| genehacker | besides if you unrestrict it that means everyone can make their own countermeasures | 20:19 |
| genehacker | thus ensuring no greygoo | 20:19 |
| kanzure | um | 20:19 |
| kanzure | no | 20:19 |
| fenn | today's lineup, it's the gray goo versus the green goo, let's watch! | 20:21 |
| kanzure | meet the green goo, just the same as the grey goo | 20:21 |
| fenn | no no, it's green | 20:21 |
| genehacker | ah the equivalent of a boxing match in the future | 20:21 |
| randallagordon | genehacker, that needs to be a t-shirt, "unrestricted molecular manufacturing is fun molecular manufacturing" | 20:23 |
| genehacker | really? | 20:23 |
| fenn | no | 20:24 |
| genehacker | just what I thought | 20:24 |
| genehacker | back to messing around with sympy | 20:24 |
| genehacker | and figuring out why my backup drive is messed up | 20:25 |
| QuantumG | I'm not sure that the non-proliferation fervor is at such a high level of acceptance that Nature would refuse a "how to bootstrap to molecular manufacturing" paper just yet. | 20:26 |
| genehacker | is there any nonproliferation fervor? Are people already firebombing matter compiler companies? | 20:27 |
| QuantumG | there's dozens of people writing about the importance of restricting it and many more politicians trying to figure out how banning it will make them look smart. | 20:28 |
| genehacker | what politicians? | 20:29 |
| genehacker | protip: replicate faster than they legislate and you won't have a problem | 20:29 |
| randallagordon | bingo | 20:31 |
| QuantumG | yep.. hopefully the people working on it will be free to publish their techniques so the revolution can begin. | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | cause they wont start it | 20:32 |
| genehacker | there are people who want to regulate debugging tools | 20:32 |
| genehacker | they will never succeed | 20:32 |
| QuantumG | those tools already exist | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | suffocating the baby when it is still in the cradle is easier | 20:33 |
| genehacker | free to publish their techniques? who would prevent them? government black ops ninjas? | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | national security.. | 20:33 |
| genehacker | what happens if it get's wikileaked? | 20:33 |
| QuantumG | like they do with all nuclear research | 20:33 |
| genehacker | what do they do? | 20:34 |
| genehacker | I think you've played Deus Ex a bit too much... | 20:34 |
| QuantumG | prevent publication.. dude, go look up any nuclear researcher.. now try to find his bibliography | 20:34 |
| genehacker | how about we figure out how to bootstrap nanotech before they attempt to do this | 20:35 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret | 20:35 |
| genehacker | are there any restrictions currently? | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | sure, the same act | 20:37 |
| QuantumG | it never went away | 20:37 |
| genehacker | on nanotech?> | 20:37 |
| QuantumG | not that I'm aware of, no.. that's what I'm saying, we're not there yet. | 20:37 |
| QuantumG | http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/cardozo.pdf | 20:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: would you be willing to speak at "outlaw biology" for me? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | ybit: go post that crap to the post-scarcity list | 20:43 |
| kanzure | also it seems you completely ignored me. thanks | 20:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: please check your email for something i forwarded you re: outlaw biology | 20:45 |
| * fenn grunts | 20:51 | |
| ybit | kanzure: good point | 20:52 |
| genehacker | sympy can solve equations using solve function right? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:21 |
| genehacker | cool | 21:21 |
| ybit | enlighten me so that i don't feel mailboxes with junk again, there are two paths i can take right now: there's the route of holding off ~5 years before any lab related research is accomplished route, i.e. build up the land that i have, put a manufacturing facility/lab in place, and be self-sustaining... before finally doing hardcore research: my research interests being life extension, mind uploading, cryonics, nanobots, molecular assemblers (desktop n | 21:26 |
| ybit | temporarily, that is, until mol.assembly becomes viable | 21:27 |
| kanzure | you broke off after molecular assemblers (desktop n | 21:28 |
| ybit | yeah, skip that parenthesis part | 21:28 |
| genehacker | I think you might have trouble becoming self sustaining, but then again that's what SKDB is for right? | 21:29 |
| kanzure | no go away | 21:30 |
| genehacker | affirmative | 21:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: i think you should focus on building tools, not "preparing to one day to actually do something" | 21:34 |
| fenn | "outlaw biology" is such an awful title | 21:38 |
| fenn | it's like "come shoot me please" | 21:39 |
| genehacker | is anyone of interest going to be there? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | christopher kelty | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | I was under the impression outlaws had the same biology as the rest of us | 21:47 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: :) | 21:51 |
| kanzure | hello klord | 21:51 |
| ybit | kanzure: you're right, but now i need to decide if i stay here or move away to do that.. | 21:52 |
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| timschmidt | boo! | 22:14 |
| kanzure | you scared me | 22:14 |
| ybit | how goes it timschmidt | 22:17 |
| timschmidt | pretty well... | 22:17 |
| timschmidt | just passed out another key to the hackerspace tonight. | 22:18 |
| ybit | i see that 'PLA is in stock!' and has been for about a month now :) | 22:18 |
| ybit | how many members do you have? | 22:18 |
| timschmidt | There are about 70 members in the Michigan RepRap group. | 22:20 |
| timschmidt | perhaps 20 meet regularly. | 22:20 |
| QuantumG | how many have repraps? :) | 22:21 |
| timschmidt | Between us, there are about 10 complete machines. Perhaps 15 counting machines that aren't complete. Three have completed successful prints, I'd say five are in working order - just needing some time to tweak settings. | 22:23 |
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| timschmidt | Nick and I recently printed most of the parts for a mendel - which he is now assembling. | 22:24 |
| QuantumG | so what's with that 2.0 machine? | 22:24 |
| QuantumG | I asked before but I don't remember if it was you that answered | 22:25 |
| timschmidt | That's the mendel. Not much. It's largely identical to the 1.0 - Darwin - in every way that affects output. It is simpler to construct, and uses smaller, cheaper motors. | 22:25 |
| timschmidt | should also be a little more durable. | 22:27 |
| QuantumG | I read some stuff about temperature too | 22:27 |
| timschmidt | The design process is largely iterative. Small improvements all over the place. | 22:27 |
| QuantumG | something about not needing the platform to be enclosed/heated | 22:27 |
| timschmidt | That's entirely a function of the plastic being used. | 22:27 |
| timschmidt | PLA doesn't require a heated build platform | 22:28 |
| timschmidt | ABS and several other plastics do. | 22:28 |
| QuantumG | ohh a video | 22:29 |
| timschmidt | The heated build platform largely functions to reduce warping of the printed part. ABS parts (subjectively) warp about 1/3 as much with a platform as without. PLA warps a tiny amount without the heated platform, but not enough to be noticeable. | 22:30 |
| kanzure | "if you don't like change, you're going to like irrelevance even less" | 22:33 |
| QuantumG | http://vimeo.com/6983001 looking good | 22:33 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: context? | 22:34 |
| QuantumG | I look forward to seeing the tool changing | 22:37 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: someone's signature file in a random email | 22:37 |
| * kanzure just replied to kuniholm on om | 22:40 | |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/tree/browse_frm/thread/94c4a222e07d7374/297dbdc285544512?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fopenmanufacturing%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F94c4a222e07d7374%3F#doc_844dd0531d6838ff | 22:40 |
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| kanzure | please stalk: "chris louden" | 22:58 |
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| kanzure | hey russell987 | 23:07 |
| russell987 | hey hey bryan | 23:07 |
| russell987 | sorry about the dealy | 23:08 |
| russell987 | delay | 23:08 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: "Some of us reject the thinking that our planet is a comfortable maximum-security prison." | 23:19 |
| katsmeow | heh | 23:20 |
| QuantumG | - Bob Clarebrough | 23:20 |
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