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| randallagordon | Marvell makes all sorts of ICs | 00:10 |
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| randallagordon | oh...MediaTek is only cell phones? | 00:11 |
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| kanzure | randallagordon: to be honest i have no clue. "shanzhai" seems to be a term only for cell phones. | 00:16 |
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| kanzure | hello splicer | 00:16 |
| splicer | hi kanzure | 00:16 |
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| kanzure | http://www.design-reuse.eu/view/a-make-electronics-lab-journal,12265 picked up cathal's dremelfuge | 01:12 |
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| kanzure | http://theproductbay.org/ | 01:13 |
| kanzure | arduino-powered mood meter http://www.design-reuse.eu/view/arduinopowered-mood-meter,12266 | 01:16 |
| kanzure | instructables.com is hiring a "user interface engineer" a.k.a javascript dood http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/eng/1542141688.html | 01:16 |
| kanzure | pythonocc 0.4 released today http://tpaviot.webfactional.com/blog/ | 01:19 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know about "the human speechome project"? | 01:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | Data is being gathered at an average rate of 200 gigabytes per day. | 01:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | damn | 01:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | they could just ask kids wth aspergers | 01:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | ~1962 it took me 10 minutes to figure out they were not mispronouncing "automatic" for "atomic", and calling a wringer washer "automatic" was my intrduction to lies in advertising | 01:29 |
| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHdRJqi__Z8 is awesome | 01:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | transcript? | 01:31 |
| QuantumG | nah, the cool part is that they've combined 4 different lectures on the same topic | 01:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | thorium reserve in Lemhi Pass of Idaho/Montana was 600000 tons | 01:31 |
| * nsh has question | 01:31 | |
| katsmeow-afk | we all have those, nsh | 01:32 |
| QuantumG | for example, "where's nsh?" I'm asking that all the time | 01:32 |
| nsh | why do people think that 'for' is a good way to link the operands in phrases such as "replace X for Y", "substitute X for Y", "mispronounce X for Y" | 01:32 |
| nsh | is this magically unambiguous if you happened to burst womb in north america? | 01:33 |
| nsh | replace X with Y, mispronounce A as B | 01:33 |
| nsh | thank you. | 01:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think it's because of the phrase "use for" | 01:33 |
| nsh | hmm | 01:34 |
| nsh | my brain parses that differently | 01:34 |
| nsh | ugh, now i'm thinking about reverse polish notation in sentences | 01:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am not disagreeing with you, however, if i spoke any more correctly irl, then absolutely no one irl would understand me | 01:34 |
| nsh | you need to speak with projectiles more :-) | 01:35 |
| * nsh wishes he could sleep like all the normal people | 01:35 | |
| katsmeow-afk | that's gotten me into enough trouble | 01:35 |
| nsh | instead of trawling html comments on nsa.gov on a whim | 01:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | hell, they even ignored the projectiles part , even after picking up the side effectsof the projectiles | 01:36 |
| nsh | pray expand | 01:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, lets not | 01:37 |
| nsh | ok | 01:37 |
| nsh | '(pronounced "speech-ome", rhymes with "genome")' ... fuck you wikipedia | 01:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, somone wold be sure to say it speech-o-me | 01:38 |
| nsh | sounds like a weapon from H2G2 | 01:39 |
| nsh | "Many older English poems, particularly those written in Middle English or written in The Renaissance, contain rhymes that were originally true or full rhymes, but as read by modern readers they are now eye rhymes because of shifts in pronunciation. An example is prove and love." --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_rhyme | 01:39 |
| nsh | does that mean they pronounced prove as in "pruv", or love as in louvre? | 01:40 |
| nsh | either way sounds pretty gay. no wonder they wore those frilly neck travesties | 01:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | here they say "de techer larned mah my speeching" | 01:41 |
| * nsh read that in the voice bart uses to say "i wash mahself with a rag onna stick" | 01:41 | |
| katsmeow-afk | or chief and chef ? | 01:41 |
| * nsh wonders how human specheome baby will be psychologically affected | 01:42 | |
| katsmeow-afk | went = we-unt | 01:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | road = raod | 01:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | rah-ode | 01:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | cow = caw-oh or cay-ow | 01:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | or worse case: cay-yeow | 01:44 |
| nsh | if you have time to pronounce cow with two syllables, chances are you're NOT EVOLVING HARD ENOUGH | 01:44 |
| QuantumG | heh | 01:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am convinced some chars from Star Wars were named after southern words: Chewbacca? = do you chew tobacco? <<== i have heard that myself | 01:45 |
| QuantumG | whenever I see quotes from ye-olde books I see people putting 'e' on the end of dozens of words I've never seen 'e' on the end of before. | 01:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | i do that in fun sometimes | 01:46 |
| QuantumG | it's like people in the 17th century just thought it was funny to shove 'e' on the end of words | 01:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | maybe it was a gender denotation, like 'o' and 'a'? | 01:46 |
| QuantumG | I just imagine wig wearing dudes with quill pens scribbling e's and giggling like people writing 'oh hai' today | 01:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | and as prudish as some were back then, the ducks were naked for down pillows and writing pens | 01:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | that thorium speech is 70megabytes, i'd prefer html text and pics | 01:51 |
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| QuantumG | if you're gunna read you might as well just read a book on the subject | 02:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's been a lot on the internet over thorium | 02:02 |
| QuantumG | wanna know why? | 02:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | cause it's good stuff? | 02:03 |
| QuantumG | http://selenianboondocks.com/2010/01/happy-new-year/ | 02:03 |
| QuantumG | he's talking about ITAR and its restriction on speech about rockets by knowledgeable people | 02:04 |
| QuantumG | but the same argument applies to nuclear secrecy. | 02:04 |
| QuantumG | "It is annoying to me that my concepts are probably reinventing the square wheel for the most part and the people that know can’t straighten me out or take the few good ones further." | 02:05 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 02:06 | |
| katsmeow-afk | well, the other thing i have noticed is some misinfo on military design, like the accordion submarine plans, praps no one wants the idiotic plans debunked | 02:08 |
| QuantumG | ya, those parts of ITAR are funny.. it specifically prohibits US citizens from telling non-US citizens that they are designing their weapons wrong. | 02:10 |
| QuantumG | I watch ITAR violations happen on the arocket list every day | 02:10 |
| QuantumG | because many of the people on there would rather say "you're more likely to blow your hands off using that propellant, don't do that." than obey the law. | 02:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | damned considerate well meaning bastards | 02:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | oops, sorry | 02:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | didn't mean to say that aloud | 02:14 |
| QuantumG | I've sure the US gov would prefer them to allow all those evil foreigners to blow their fingers off | 02:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, sure, less fingers = less ieds | 02:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am stillw aiting on the black hats to deny they got the xmas bomber to use the wrong materials or the wrong methods | 02:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | "x blows up ok, and y blows up ok, but x + y is a really big bang", when praps it's a dud, as it was | 02:19 |
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| thesnark | morning | 09:54 |
| kanzure | no! | 10:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: who is jonathan nelson? | 10:08 |
| kanzure | from jelle: evocad, evolution-assisted CAD http://www.demo.cs.brandeis.edu/pr/buildable/evocad/aid00/ | 10:09 |
| kanzure | jelle finally read through http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf | 10:09 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: do you know of a paper that explores an EEG setup with 32+ channels? | 11:16 |
| superkuh | No. | 11:16 |
| kanzure | in particular i'm trying to find "good" examples of high-throughput EEG, i.e. human commands/control | 11:16 |
| kanzure | hints for how to search for this on google scholar would be nice too | 11:16 |
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| kanzure | hello Kuro_ | 11:22 |
| Kuro_ | Hello. | 11:22 |
| * kanzure just linked matt campbell to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfW9ggtiEk the mfg.com open source CNC machine video | 11:22 | |
| ybit | files yet? | 11:23 |
| ybit | i'm sure you'll post when they become available, so no more pestering | 11:23 |
| kanzure | ybit: no, i'm waiting to send a follow-up email until later today when my phone will have a charge (i forgot my phone charger when i went to mum's) | 11:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.printerscats.com/index.php?tag=fabber&page=3 Miniaturización de la Civilización | 11:24 |
| kanzure | printerscats.com .. what a terrible domain name. easily misconstrued | 11:24 |
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| kanzure | Temporal Change in Bimanual Interkeypress Intervals and Self-Reported Symptoms During Continuous Typing | 12:02 |
| kanzure | wish they would have done this study on QWERTY and dvorak | 12:02 |
| kanzure | to see if it's really a per-hand issue or something to do with the keyboard layout | 12:02 |
| kanzure | they found that the left hand types slower when you start pushing 90, 60 or even 30min of continuous typing | 12:03 |
| kanzure | ah someone else had the same idea. "Effects of input methods on inter-key press intervals during continuous typing." | 12:04 |
| kanzure | "Microsoft New Phonetic and Boshiamy, " | 12:04 |
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| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/braininterface (thesnark) | 12:49 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.wired.com/video/latest-videos/latest/1815816633/open-source-3d-printer-turns-designs-into-objects/61029613001 | 12:57 |
| kristianpaul | hope they move to reprap | 13:05 |
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| ybit | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/vuzix-wrap-920ar-augmented-reality-video-eyewear-can-you-afford/ | 13:24 |
| Trooem | where is kanzure? | 13:29 |
| thesnark | ybit ar is on its way up for sure | 13:43 |
| thesnark | it's so cheap | 13:44 |
| ybit | thesnark: i think you may be the first person aside from kanzure or fenn to actually edit dokuwiki and add another page :) | 13:47 |
| thesnark | hah | 13:47 |
| ybit | gg | 13:47 |
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| * Trooem is formulating a fomula of form for fo f | 14:54 | |
| Trooem | ....doesn't make sense | 14:55 |
| kanzure | good to be home | 15:02 |
| Trooem | where were you? | 15:03 |
| Trooem | oh | 15:03 |
| kanzure | mom's house while i was recovering | 15:03 |
| Trooem | it took you only a day to recover? haha | 15:03 |
| kanzure | ybit: i'm not happy with dokuwiki entirely. maybe i'll play with hatta-wiki some more | 15:03 |
| Trooem | wolverine man | 15:03 |
| kanzure | Trooem: take the pain like a man | 15:03 |
| Trooem | i'll take the pain like wolverine thanks. just give me nanites healing my body one day. | 15:04 |
| Trooem | never as a human will i want to get sick. | 15:04 |
| Trooem | but a mutant! | 15:04 |
| Trooem | kanzure, get online on gtalk, i've got quite a few things to talk about, devised few interesting plan | 15:05 |
| Trooem | plans | 15:05 |
| kanzure | i literally just got home. give me a few seconds to boot up everything. | 15:06 |
| Trooem | sureeeeeeeee | 15:07 |
| Trooem | ok | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | http://www.longtail.com/.m/the_long_tail/2009/01/a-business-mode.html a business model for open source hardware | 15:36 |
| thesnark | hmm I think the business model would be the easier part....not everybody can manufacture everything on their own | 15:50 |
| * thesnark goes on to actually read the article | 15:50 | |
| kanzure | right | 15:50 |
| kanzure | the article got it right i think | 15:50 |
| kanzure | at least the concept of (1) not everyone wants to make their own screws, and (2) different people call it "quits" at different places, so instruction generation is really useful | 15:50 |
| thesnark | this strategy is already being used by a few companies, olimex in bulgaria being one | 15:52 |
| thesnark | it will be interesting to see how the regulations get with this stuff | 15:52 |
| thesnark | I bet you the powers that be will claim "safety issues" with open source hardware or something stupid like that | 15:52 |
| kanzure | yep, so kits would come with the warnings and signed consent and other things like that | 15:53 |
| thesnark | =D | 15:53 |
| kanzure | "it's your choice how to assemble these things.. this is the way that most people don't die: plug X into Z" | 15:53 |
| thesnark | haha | 15:53 |
| kanzure | were you in here when andres explained his idea for wiring up skdb and octopart? the automatic ordering system i pitched him | 15:54 |
| thesnark | no | 15:56 |
| kanzure | user picks something they want to build/make on an skdb-front-end-website -> spits out a BOM -> BOM goes to octopart -> results are organized, classified, cheapest first, etc. etc. -> parts on material list are automatically purchased once the user types in cc info and whatever | 15:59 |
| randallagordon | nice | 16:01 |
| randallagordon | Sounds slick | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | it would also be nice to somehow have all the parts arrive at a central location first so that instructions can be added.. but in the mean time i guess they will be emailed or generated and ask the user to save them or something | 16:02 |
| kanzure | http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Call-in/2010-01-10 | 16:11 |
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| kanzure | good ol' internet connection. laggy as usual, even when i pay the bill | 17:18 |
| thesnark | trying to download papers from you.... | 17:18 |
| thesnark | failing... | 17:19 |
| kanzure | who is "william millard" is | 17:19 |
| kanzure | oh, from heybryan.org? | 17:19 |
| thesnark | yes | 17:19 |
| thesnark | heybryan.org | 17:19 |
| kanzure | yeah don't do that | 17:23 |
| * kanzure kills apacvhe | 17:23 | |
| kanzure | ok try now | 17:24 |
| kanzure | still painfully slow on my end | 17:27 |
| kanzure | http://goertzel.org/HPlusNewsletterNewYears2010.pdf | 17:29 |
| thesnark | kanzure it's slower =[ | 17:29 |
| thesnark | _much_ slower now actually | 17:29 |
| thesnark | don't worry about it, I'll get them later | 17:29 |
| thesnark | kanzure you should do traffic analysis on your end to see what is taking your bandwidth | 17:30 |
| thesnark | kanzure they _probably_ are giving you what you are paying for | 17:30 |
| thesnark | but it's time for me to go socialize now. back later tonight. | 17:31 |
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| kanzure | random open hardware stuff about openmoko and barriers to entry http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg56704.html | 17:32 |
| kanzure | i still find it weird how nature.com thinks diybio is a synthetic biology group | 17:34 |
| splicer | what would you call it.. citizen science? | 17:50 |
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| kanzure | splicer: i'd call it do-it-yourself biology | 18:02 |
| kanzure | they don't have to be citizens | 18:02 |
| * Trooem scared kanzure away. :( | 18:02 | |
| Trooem | i'm sorry :P | 18:03 |
| Trooem | i talk too much. | 18:03 |
| * Trooem is going to relax now... focus on what he needs. | 18:04 | |
| Trooem | wow looks like longevity research is coming to fruition(!) | 18:04 |
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| Trooem | hello genehackler | 18:15 |
| * Trooem is going to look back on his practice in solitude for a while... | 18:16 | |
| * Trooem is getting a bit paranoid... | 18:17 | |
| genehacker | so Trooem what technological sins have you commited recently, or shall we discuss this in a private heavily encrypted chat? | 18:18 |
| Trooem | that would be more... | 18:20 |
| Trooem | safe. | 18:20 |
| Trooem | bah | 18:20 |
| Trooem | hahaha shall i message you in this channel? | 18:20 |
| * Trooem is a sinner. | 18:21 | |
| * Trooem will become a greater sinner. | 18:21 | |
| * Trooem however, sinner with money. | 18:21 | |
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| JayDugger | Neat! A 3D printer using cement or plaster. http://rockprinter.com | 18:27 |
| genehacker | is that the one that printed that weird organic gazebo thing? | 18:28 |
| genehacker | or something new? | 18:28 |
| genehacker | oh it is | 18:28 |
| JayDugger | I don't know of the one which printed "that weird organic gazebo thing." | 18:28 |
| JayDugger | Did seacrete ever come up in the chats here? | 18:29 |
| genehacker | no but seasteading has | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Darn. | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | I hoped someone had tried that. | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Oh well. | 18:29 |
| genehacker | the consensus on seacrete is that it's not a magic bullet | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | A magic bullet for what? | 18:29 |
| genehacker | seasteading | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | I wouldn't think so, no. | 18:30 |
| genehacker | seacrete is? | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | I doubt seasteading has a magic technical solution of any kind. | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | Few political problems have technical solutions. | 18:30 |
| genehacker | I'm not so sure about that | 18:31 |
| genehacker | who says we can't do things algorithmically? | 18:31 |
| genehacker | using pie slicing algorithms and what not? | 18:31 |
| genehacker | so what's seacrete again | 18:31 |
| JayDugger | Fission bombs come to mind, but that's about all. | 18:31 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow... | 18:31 |
| JayDugger | You can precipitate dissolved minerals from seawater onto a conductive mesh. | 18:32 |
| genehacker | how fast is the process? | 18:32 |
| JayDugger | I've never seen good details on the process, and it might have encumbering patents. | 18:32 |
| JayDugger | I've meant for decades to try it in an aquarium, but good intentions pave a slow road to anywhere. | 18:33 |
| JayDugger | sorry, good intentions pave a slow road to nowhere. | 18:33 |
| genehacker | well seawater sitting in an aquarium for a long time can't be good either | 18:33 |
| JayDugger | Oh, I don't know. People keep salt water fish in aquariums, after all. | 18:34 |
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| genehacker | salt water tends to like to form growing salty crusts as it dries | 18:34 |
| JayDugger | I know from my Dad's experience that it's not easy, but hardly impossible. | 18:34 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, I spent some time in the Navy. :) | 18:34 |
| genehacker | well I guess you could kill all that biological stuff and be fine | 18:35 |
| JayDugger | In a test tank, you'd just buy ocean salt mix from a pet store, dip a chicken wire mesh, and attach a power supply. | 18:35 |
| genehacker | anyway so you want to use it to print huge structures in seawater | 18:35 |
| genehacker | well find a cheap aquarium or something on craigslist and make a space in your garage | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | I don't know about that. I live pretty far inland, and probably wouldn't use it anything larger than a forty-gallon tank would hold. | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | Right. | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | Step 0: buy a house with a garage. | 18:37 |
| genehacker | I live fairly inland two | 18:37 |
| genehacker | *too | 18:37 |
| genehacker | also in Dallas area | 18:37 |
| JayDugger | Really? We might be neighbors, at least for Texas-sized definitions of "neighbor." | 18:37 |
| genehacker | I live in Plano | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | Irving, here. | 18:38 |
| JayDugger | Too bad there's no details on the rockprinter site. | 18:39 |
| genehacker | http://www.green-trust.org/seacrete.htm | 18:40 |
| genehacker | http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~minides/ | 18:41 |
| genehacker | found it | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | UT Austin, no less. | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | Ah, Thank. | 18:42 |
| JayDugger | thanks, even. | 18:42 |
| genehacker | yup and hookem | 18:42 |
| genehacker | this is the 3d gazebo printer thing I was talking about: | 18:44 |
| genehacker | http://www.d-shape.com/ | 18:44 |
| genehacker | it has a resolution of 25 DPI | 18:44 |
| JayDugger | And for fairly large objects, too. | 18:45 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorock | 18:49 |
| genehacker | so it's an expensive process | 18:49 |
| genehacker | but I wonder if you could use a guided electrode to grow weird shapes | 18:50 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen any EEG papers showing anything better than 15 words/minute | 18:51 |
| genehacker | is that faster than stephen hawking's current output method? | 18:51 |
| JayDugger | I don't see why you couldn't, or use successive electrode sheets to layer up any thickness you please. | 18:51 |
| kanzure | stephen has been getting slower and slower | 18:51 |
| JayDugger | Whether you'd get stronger results with electrodes more like rebar than conductive thread, I don't know. | 18:52 |
| genehacker | he doesn't use EEG | 18:52 |
| kanzure | last time i heard he was working on a system of blinks | 18:52 |
| genehacker | yeah | 18:52 |
| JayDugger | My ignorance of concrete fills volumes. | 18:52 |
| genehacker | well you can treat concrete like a composite and it's generally pretty hard to figure out the strength of composites without testing them | 18:53 |
| genehacker | though calculating young's modulus is pretty easy | 18:54 |
| JayDugger | Point taken. I'm not about to try making any in the next few days, so no worries. | 18:55 |
| genehacker | seacrete costs $1 per kg so it's fairly expensive | 18:55 |
| JayDugger | Where did you find that number? | 18:55 |
| genehacker | wikipedia | 18:55 |
| JayDugger | Found it. | 18:56 |
| genehacker | whoa traditional concrete cost about $0.05 per kg | 18:58 |
| JayDugger | Ha. That explains why we build cities of the stuff. | 18:58 |
| genehacker | seacrete's 22 times more expensive | 18:58 |
| flamt | 18:49 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/telepathic-critterdrug.tgz | 18:59 |
| flamt | 18:50 < flamt> added a communal hallucination canvas o_o | 18:59 |
| flamt | 18:50 < flamt> to draw and watch | 18:59 |
| flamt | 18:50 < flamt> 3d well time bounded with rewind | 18:59 |
| flamt | 18:50 < flamt> brb | 18:59 |
| JayDugger | Concrete's harder to repair, I expect. | 19:00 |
| genehacker | well that could change the lifecycle cost | 19:01 |
| genehacker | be interesting to see which is cheaper | 19:01 |
| JayDugger | Good point. I think that calculation would depend on specifics of each case. | 19:03 |
| flamt | http://ansistego.sf.net/critter-art.png | 19:04 |
| genehacker | though do you really need a building that last forever? | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | brb | 19:05 |
| ybit | http://8bitcollective.com/items/music/shine-monster-monster.mp3 | 19:10 |
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| ybit | hi cyrozap | 19:56 |
| ybit | marainein: | 19:56 |
| marainein | hey ybit | 19:56 |
| marainein | what are you up to? | 19:56 |
| ybit | deciding what to do with the extra $1k | 19:56 |
| ybit | i've got $3.7k allotted to the hackerspace | 19:57 |
| * Trooem is sensing the world is going to be much like resident evil movies... Biological warfare, and altered humans. | 19:57 | |
| marainein | most of the ideas that come to mind probably aren't very responsible | 19:57 |
| ybit | marainein: what about yourself? | 19:57 |
| marainein | buy some shotguns | 19:57 |
| marainein | just jumping from channel to channel as i decide what to do with my day | 19:58 |
| marainein | what projects are you spending money on? | 19:58 |
| ybit | reprap and ceb press are definites | 19:59 |
| ybit | router, mill, lathe... the multimachine is highly tempting here in that i could build one practically for free | 20:00 |
| marainein | i'm not sure what a reprap and ceb press are | 20:01 |
| JayDugger | Compressed Earth Brick Press? | 20:02 |
| JayDugger | (Had to check 'ceb,' myself) | 20:02 |
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| Trooem | could you guys like make anything with given blueprints and walkthroughs? | 20:10 |
| ybit | JayDugger: yes | 20:10 |
| ybit | Trooem: what do you have in mind | 20:11 |
| Trooem | any mechanical, electronics parts? | 20:11 |
| Trooem | ah.. it's something very private. i can't discuss it openly in the channel. | 20:11 |
| Trooem | maybe one day hahaha | 20:11 |
| genehacker | join #reprap if you want to know more about reprap | 20:11 |
| Trooem | it can make 50k per month for sho 'cause it's all about messing with the world believe it or not :P | 20:12 |
| genehacker | I think I know what your making trooem if it involves mechanical and electronic parts and is private | 20:12 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 20:12 |
| Trooem | don't go there | 20:12 |
| Trooem | the perfect vagina... | 20:13 |
| genehacker | if it involved chemicals it would be a bomb or something dangerous | 20:13 |
| Trooem | hmm... | 20:13 |
| genehacker | ugh, I thought you were making a sentry turret | 20:13 |
| Trooem | oh.............. | 20:13 |
| Trooem | i'm sorry. | 20:13 |
| Trooem | i was way off. | 20:13 |
| Trooem | no no.... it's more to do with gathering intelligence. like a spytool of sort. i've ran the idea of it to few people, and they said it's certainly plausible to make... | 20:14 |
| Trooem | haha | 20:14 |
| Trooem | but will it make money? | 20:14 |
| Trooem | yes, if i sell it underground with a purpose | 20:15 |
| Trooem | but hey....... | 20:15 |
| Trooem | wrong idea there maybe. | 20:15 |
| Trooem | i shall shut up now. | 20:15 |
| * Trooem shuts up. | 20:15 | |
| genehacker | please do | 20:15 |
| Trooem | you too. | 20:15 |
| Trooem | you do know i hate you genehacker. | 20:15 |
| * Trooem hits genehacker with a abnormally large trout, and genehacker flies away like Mario. | 20:16 | |
| genehacker | I really don't care | 20:17 |
| Trooem | come on have sense of humour | 20:17 |
| Trooem | hacker of genes. | 20:17 |
| Trooem | wonder we will change our own genes one day | 20:18 |
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| * genehacker installs the latest humour package | 20:18 | |
| Trooem | everybody wanting to become... hispanics... or... aliens.. | 20:18 |
| marainein | just how much does a 'make anything' setup cost? | 20:18 |
| Trooem | 20k! | 20:19 |
| Trooem | im not qualified to answer that, but im probably right. | 20:19 |
| Trooem | any sufficiently good fabrication of anything requires a good amount of .... well, 20k. | 20:19 |
| Trooem | tried thinking of making a mocap studio with 3D characters. | 20:20 |
| Trooem | needed 20k. | 20:20 |
| genehacker | I'm sure you could check kanzure's fablab inventory and figure the cost | 20:20 |
| Trooem | tried getting into the video game industry purchase of license 20k. | 20:20 |
| genehacker | I think it's more than 20k though | 20:21 |
| Trooem | kanzure is an anomoly. he can probably do it for 2k. | 20:21 |
| Trooem | damn | 20:21 |
| Trooem | that's something. | 20:21 |
| genehacker | I doubt that | 20:21 |
| * Trooem can go hardcore. | 20:22 | |
| * Trooem had a dream last night where he saw large coy fish hanging around a ankle-high murky waters. | 20:23 | |
| Trooem | i think it's a good sign :) | 20:23 |
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| * Trooem thinks it's not way too difficult to luck out on making 10k per month or so... but how about 10k a day? that is the question... | 20:37 | |
| marainein | what are you trying to do? | 20:39 |
| Trooem | all things manual labour-related ends at 10k per month, at best... quantifying that is the problem... | 20:40 |
| Trooem | with softwares. | 20:40 |
| Trooem | so many options... | 20:40 |
| marainein | i don't understand, and i don't think that's just because i've been drinking - how are you going to make this money? | 20:43 |
| Trooem | if i just tell you here for things that i've worked for, thats not fair i don't think... | 20:43 |
| Trooem | so i'm talking in riddles. sorry about that. | 20:44 |
| Trooem | just writing things, how i think... | 20:44 |
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| flamt | http://ansistego.sf.net/critter-art-2.png | 21:08 |
| genehacker | argh so neither sympy nor mathematica want to solve my equation | 21:22 |
| genehacker | flamt what is that thing? | 21:22 |
| genehacker | some sort of cellular automaton or a-life thing? | 21:23 |
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| genehacker | mathematica rocks | 21:42 |
| Trooem | i am so addicted to castlevania symphony of the night... | 21:43 |
| flamt | genehacker: yeah it's a cellular automata running on an eco sim | 21:46 |
| flamt | like it's vertical streaks because i scroll it up to teach them the row size | 21:46 |
| flamt | then it's animated in two directions in time | 21:47 |
| flamt | so they see this is the same kind of input as their retina | 21:47 |
| flamt | just with 3 channels not 4 since i can't show alpha | 21:47 |
| flamt | then i expect horizontally coherent patterns to appear | 21:47 |
| flamt | but so far i'm having trouble wiring them into it for long when it gets brighter they slow down | 21:47 |
| flamt | i'm overfeeding them and pushing brain mutations | 21:47 |
| flamt | brb >_> | 21:47 |
| flamt | http://ansistego.sf.net/telepathic-critterdrug.tgz btw ._. | 21:48 |
| flamt | from critterding <_< | 21:48 |
| flamt | >_> | 21:48 |
| flamt | yeah 7 synapses per cell was too many with 2 they're moving ahead but its slow | 21:48 |
| flamt | actually i could only have 5 | 21:49 |
| flamt | well the array is 64*48*3 | 21:49 |
| flamt | 9,216 | 21:49 |
| flamt | they have almost 2000 neurons so i could have 5 synapses per unique colour cell in the psychic grid | 21:49 |
| flamt | but i couldnt have 7 you can see that | 21:49 |
| flamt | even 3 killed most of them eventually though poor bastards | 21:49 |
| flamt | now i'm trying 2 per | 21:49 |
| flamt | about hmm a third of the screen | 21:50 |
| flamt | then they have 1 motor connection per neuron to it but there are twice as many of those so they have write to maybe a tenth | 21:50 |
| flamt | darn | 21:50 |
| flamt | but strains will not be randomly assigned locations in it like i did to load these in | 21:50 |
| flamt | from the old sim | 21:50 |
| flamt | strains will use the same cells | 21:50 |
| flamt | anyway. they will make art and myths and shit | 21:51 |
| flamt | it's their racial movie | 21:51 |
| flamt | the disabled can just watch it instead of suffering | 21:51 |
| flamt | it's really fun | 21:51 |
| flamt | i'm going nuts | 21:51 |
| flamt | but. still brb | 21:51 |
| flamt | oh it's 1024 frames long >_> | 21:51 |
| flamt | 9,216 colour elements * 1024 frames == 9 mega colour elements | 21:51 |
| flamt | so it's like, really big to them | 21:52 |
| flamt | that's what i'm going for | 21:52 |
| flamt | bye ._. | 21:52 |
| genehacker | 2000 neurons seems like an awful lot per critter | 21:55 |
| genehacker | how many are in a litter? | 21:55 |
| genehacker | if you keep them in one location they'll probably learn to recognize one object | 21:57 |
| genehacker | IE they'll be just like a parrot that can only repeat words and not form them into coherent sentences | 21:57 |
| genehacker | sounds cool | 21:57 |
| Trooem | hey wait, are you guys talking about hooking up neurons with chaos? | 22:02 |
| Trooem | err.... how plausible do you think biological AI is coming around to do our bidding | 22:03 |
| Trooem | i read this article on how leech neurons can add up numbers :) | 22:04 |
| genehacker | flamt is playing around with evolving some virtual critters to see stuff | 22:04 |
| Trooem | oh it's a virtual thing | 22:04 |
| Trooem | interesting.. | 22:04 |
| genehacker | I don't think it's very plausible | 22:04 |
| Trooem | oh | 22:04 |
| genehacker | analog electronics are much better for that sort of thing | 22:04 |
| Trooem | i guess it would be hard to make it expandable.. | 22:05 |
| Trooem | wouldn't be able to keep the neurons alive for long... | 22:05 |
| Trooem | when do you guys think life extension therapy is going to be practicle? | 22:05 |
| Trooem | *cal | 22:05 |
| Trooem | 10 years from now? | 22:05 |
| Trooem | 20? | 22:05 |
| * Trooem doesn't understand why marvel sold so many characters to disney. | 22:08 | |
| cyrozap | disney wanted marvel so they can appeal to the male side of the market. | 22:11 |
| cyrozap | they have the princesses for the girls, and now they have superheroes for the boys. | 22:11 |
| flamt | i gave them four types of drugs and a potentiator substance | 22:13 |
| flamt | then this psychic array | 22:13 |
| flamt | now i dont think there's anything left | 22:13 |
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| Trooem | oh i see | 22:15 |
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| genehacker | flamt stop messimg with those poor things brains | 22:26 |
| genehacker | you know caffeine's effects on insects right? | 22:28 |
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| Aliks | yo | 22:50 |
| Aliks | Anyone here have suggestions on what I should do about the following? I just filed a patent application for a way to reduce software/music/etc. piracy. Should I approach trade organizations, or release publicly and hope they contact me, or just publish for free, or what? | 22:51 |
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| Trooem | not too sure, but unless they approved the filings already, and at least at 'patent pending' status, you wouldn't want to give out your ideas, they would at least make it something similar... | 22:58 |
| Trooem | so approach directly | 22:58 |
| Trooem | no idea i think you know the answer | 22:59 |
| nsh | how, Aliks ? | 22:59 |
| Aliks | back | 23:09 |
| Aliks | sorry was arguing in another room | 23:10 |
| Aliks | where I asked the same question | 23:10 |
| Aliks | hot topic | 23:10 |
| Aliks | I do have "patent pending" status | 23:10 |
| Aliks | nsh, can't say specifically but it isnt the usual DRM type stuff | 23:10 |
| nsh | Basilisks? | 23:11 |
| Aliks | lol | 23:11 |
| Aliks | yes, every CD comes with two miniature basilisks | 23:11 |
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| nsh | sweet | 23:13 |
| nsh | i would buy | 23:13 |
| Aliks | lol | 23:13 |
| Aliks | usually they've been in the box for several weeks so they are very hungry | 23:13 |
| Aliks | test | 23:21 |
| Aliks | ah, I am still connected | 23:21 |
| flamt | i have an implant | 23:29 |
| flamt | the american government in the guise of scientology popped up in my life because i talk to aliens and advocate lsd | 23:29 |
| flamt | i camped out alone one night which sounds so nice and they chipped my skull | 23:29 |
| flamt | now this thing makes mocking noises and sensations in the upper left of my head all day for days now | 23:30 |
| flamt | for a few days after new years it was trying to make me believe it was from aliens or some intelligent fungus | 23:30 |
| flamt | so i actually enjoyed having it and hearing from it | 23:30 |
| flamt | now it's just making impressions of huge smiles and reminding me of the night they used it to electroshock me | 23:30 |
| flamt | about a week ago | 23:30 |
| flamt | my neighbours downstairs are pretending to be some sick woman and her kid but it's a bunch of CIA people with clearance | 23:30 |
| flamt | my landlord finally figured out something was the hell wrong, they've been trying to get him to evict me for six months so i've been living rent free | 23:30 |
| flamt | lol | 23:31 |
| flamt | and so for the foreseeable future | 23:31 |
| flamt | they called the cops three times between christmas and new years so i couldnt like, party alone for that | 23:31 |
| flamt | trying to get me put in the hospital which they couldn't, but did last year this time | 23:31 |
| flamt | also for christmas, then | 23:31 |
| flamt | this is what they do, pop up in your life and try to terrify you | 23:31 |
| flamt | all the implant does is make these dumb smiling and inappropriately happy impressions and sounds | 23:31 |
| flamt | wet mouth sounds like smiling all the time, really happy and it wont stop being so happy | 23:31 |
| flamt | at really bad times especially | 23:31 |
| flamt | and i know they're doing it from downstairs. that sounds so stupid | 23:32 |
| flamt | it's supposed to | 23:32 |
| flamt | google implants and look at the offensive obvious psy-ops disinfo shit you get | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | irc and drugs don't mix flamt | 23:32 |
| flamt | oh it kissed real quiet when i said that | 23:32 |
| flamt | i'm not on drugs atm QuantumG LOL | 23:32 |
| flamt | dont blame the drugs | 23:32 |
| flamt | it's the government | 23:32 |
| flamt | and it's disgusting | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | maybe you should be then | 23:32 |
| flamt | mebbe | 23:32 |
| flamt | i'll toke in a sev | 23:32 |
| flamt | sec | 23:32 |
| flamt | but let me say | 23:32 |
| flamt | i'm getting this imaged and removed | 23:32 |
| flamt | and also | 23:32 |
| flamt | i've started a list | 23:32 |
| flamt | it's all really silly | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | prescribed ones would be better | 23:32 |
| flamt | what you hear is like ridiculous words or just mocking noises and you're not supposed to record it because of how it would look | 23:33 |
| flamt | but now i do because in ten years i'll be breeding not a-life but bacteria | 23:33 |
| flamt | and i'll be feeding them not glucose but titanium | 23:33 |
| flamt | and i'll spill this shit from time to time | 23:33 |
| flamt | in places | 23:33 |
| flamt | i just need reasons | 23:33 |
| flamt | i just need reasons. | 23:33 |
| flamt | >:| | 23:33 |
| flamt | i'm not confused by like the sound of myself blinking, smiling or breathing | 23:34 |
| flamt | it's really in my head, since '07, and i've been absolutely sure since well start of this year | 23:34 |
| flamt | i don't know why they wanted to make me absolutely sure for PR or to discredit me i expect | 23:34 |
| flamt | anyway i'm doing good work right now i don't think it's because of the implant though i thought it had some bonuses at first i don't now | 23:35 |
| flamt | it's just for control surveillance and discouragement | 23:35 |
| flamt | my communities are a target, it went nuts during the last live podcast i tried to hear | 23:35 |
| flamt | so i wouldn't participate meaningfully | 23:35 |
| flamt | COINTELPRO, MKULTRA | 23:35 |
| flamt | i was watching a series of videos about mind control on youtube... marsboy683 i think | 23:35 |
| flamt | marsboy638 | 23:35 |
| QuantumG | ok, you can stop talking now flamt | 23:36 |
| flamt | his second series with the mexican guy suddenly turns into a bunch of horrifying kiddie porn | 23:36 |
| flamt | after telling you scientology is mkultra | 23:36 |
| flamt | and other shit like this | 23:36 |
| flamt | scientology stalks me like crazy | 23:36 |
| flamt | but i will, quantum g | 23:36 |
| QuantumG | go see a doctor, get some anti-psychotics ok? | 23:36 |
| flamt | like you i wouldn't jeapoardize our mission here i just wanted it off my chest | 23:36 |
| flamt | no dude they p | 23:36 |
| flamt | you made me knock my pipe off the stand | 23:36 |
| flamt | they psychiatrically suppressed me this year already | 23:36 |
| flamt | last year for six months with risperdal but my pineal gland apparently survived | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | if you're against medication you're for Scientology.. choose. | 23:37 |
| flamt | unless i am now nursing prolactinoma | 23:37 |
| flamt | nah, i've talked to scientologists about this | 23:37 |
| flamt | the only thing we agree on is that antipsychotics have never furnished a cure | 23:37 |
| flamt | where we part ways again is on the fact that the psychedelics have | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | flamt is a Scientology | 23:37 |
| flamt | scientogy | 23:38 |
| flamt | brb >_> | 23:38 |
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