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| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKmGTVmqJs | 00:33 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDFKYrSJefc | 00:33 |
| Aliks | heh, what I'm putting in my "company description" field in Google's Biz Proposals section | 00:35 |
| Aliks | > look company description | 00:35 |
| Aliks | You see a nonexistent thing. | 00:35 |
| Aliks | got any better ones? | 00:35 |
| QuantumG | heh, neat | 00:35 |
| Aliks | hehe, I used to play text RPGs | 00:35 |
| Aliks | they were so much fun | 00:35 |
| QuantumG | http://www.citysoftware.com.au/PicoTech_USB_Pocket_Projector_PIC1001.aspx | 00:41 |
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| kanzure | http://forums.portlandtechshop.com/ | 02:52 |
| kanzure | boolean operations with pythonocc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vCevxXoMFY | 02:54 |
| kanzure | parametric modeling with pythonocc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCv7COgzU0&feature=related | 02:54 |
| QuantumG | wow, why does it flash like that? | 02:59 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: it doesn't flash like that on *my* computer | 03:03 |
| kanzure | anselm donated money to this apparently: http://www.nimbyspace.org/ (an artist collective hackerspace dealy) | 03:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362561841/nimby-industrial-art-and-diy-space | 03:03 |
| kanzure | hm, projectpolymath.org is still around? 250 students, 800 supporters, they're looking for instructorsn ow | 03:06 |
| kanzure | *instructors now | 03:06 |
| kanzure | hm they also have an adwords campaign | 03:06 |
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| fenn | wow that guy is a textbook paranoid schizophrenic | 03:46 |
| fenn | can't you be more imaginative? | 03:46 |
| fenn | oo it's time for elections @WTA | 03:51 |
| flamt | http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/7608589 | 04:01 |
| flamt | fenn i'm not at all these things happen for real | 04:01 |
| flamt | but w/e dude go see a beautiful mind again | 04:01 |
| flamt | i guess | 04:01 |
| flamt | i guess | 04:01 |
| QuantumG | flamt, doctor, go see now | 04:02 |
| flamt | quantumg you like major tranquilizers | 04:06 |
| flamt | those are dark red in my sim | 04:06 |
| flamt | they do help the ones who dont like the movie when it gets real bright | 04:06 |
| flamt | wa ha ha | 04:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | back when there were only 4 people in here, we didn't need channel ops | 04:11 |
| flamt | http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/7608589 | 04:13 |
| flamt | but brb | 04:13 |
| marainein | hai guys. can transhumanism ressurect the dead and decayed? | 04:16 |
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| Utopiah | somebody know the background info (author, motive, ...) behind http://www.artificialscarcity.com/ ? | 06:29 |
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| thesnark | good morning | 08:12 |
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| thesnark | kanzure somebody must be ddossing you | 09:41 |
| thesnark | kanzure did you look at your traffic? | 09:42 |
| * thesnark was joking about ddosing.. | 09:42 | |
| kanzure | my internet connection just sucks. i'm switching ISPs | 09:51 |
| kanzure | maybe guaranteed 1.25 MB/sec | 09:51 |
| Trooem | hope my voice didn't creep you out kanzure. ROFL | 09:51 |
| kanzure | Trooem: haven't listened to it yet | 09:52 |
| Trooem | oh | 09:52 |
| Trooem | well whatever | 09:52 |
| Trooem | i'm in a nostalgic state. a little high :P | 09:52 |
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| kristianpaul | who know something about Zinc Negative Resistance ? | 13:14 |
| marcin_ose | Ben, Clif, and Bryan, can we talk about transfering openfarmtech.org? | 13:15 |
| kanzure | sure | 13:20 |
| kanzure | i thought bkero was going to do that | 13:20 |
| kanzure | marcin_ose: is it still down? | 13:20 |
| marcin_ose | Yes, it's down, after being up for a week. | 13:26 |
| marcin_ose | THere are software updates needed, Dreamhost shut it down due to phishing attempts | 13:27 |
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| kanzure | is 3 days a reasonable gap between times calling mitch? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | i want this for gnusha.org http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/snippets/20-article/20-37-signals.jpg | 13:48 |
| kanzure | btw someone made a .rpm for pythonocc-0.4 wonder if alien can play with it | 13:54 |
| thesnark | kanzure what is it? | 14:19 |
| thesnark | not a lot of detail in the pic | 14:20 |
| ybit | it's basecamp's old site | 14:24 |
| bkero | yo | 14:39 |
| bkero | kanzure: for the sitrs, I'll need sql dumps for each db, and tarballs of each docroot. | 14:42 |
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| kanzure | bkero: tell that to marcin | 15:22 |
| ybit | bkero: i've mentioned this marcin a couple of weeks ago, the problem is he isn't too computer savvy | 15:32 |
| ybit | and he's hesitant to let other do it for him since there are usernames and passwords/reputations at stake | 15:32 |
| ybit | someone tell me something to do | 15:33 |
| ybit | the only two things i can think of doing is working on the field, but that has been put off until tomorrow. the other thing is finding a job closer to the lot, most businesess are closed on sundays here | 15:34 |
| ybit | pythonocc 0.4 packaging mayb | 15:34 |
| * ybit thinks he has several half-finished projects to work on | 15:34 | |
| thesnark | http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Media potentially looking to create an EEG interface with the project | 15:36 |
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| kanzure | hello Aliks | 16:21 |
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| * Trooem is feeling like the dark knight... | 18:10 | |
| Trooem | mwa hahahaha | 18:11 |
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| parolang` | Trooem: How's that? :) | 18:19 |
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| * kristianpaul apt-get make free-beer | 18:22 | |
| kristianpaul | :p | 18:22 |
| Trooem | ...i felt like the joker early this morning, now it's later afternoon and i feel like batman. eventually at night, i will be putting on a suit of black armor..... and go run around. | 18:29 |
| parolang` | Cool :) | 18:29 |
| parolang` | Take pictures and post online. | 18:29 |
| Trooem | lol | 18:29 |
| parolang` | I never understood the practical value or running around on rooftops for fighting crime. | 18:30 |
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| Trooem | how else would you catch them at night? hahaha | 18:32 |
| Trooem | can't sniper them can we | 18:32 |
| Trooem | spy technology is better. | 18:33 |
| Trooem | eavesdrop, gather enough evidence and screw them | 18:33 |
| parolang` | Hmm...you know, a sniper gun would have solved a lot of Batman's problems. | 18:33 |
| parolang` | No need to instill fear, just bam, bam. | 18:33 |
| kanzure | http://333skis.com/insane-problems.php | 18:34 |
| parolang` | But, I admit, the Dark Knight was a kick ass movie. I think there will be a sequel, and it will suck but still make a lot of money. | 18:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/notebooks-a-netbooks/572-classy-shanzhai-brushed-aluminum-netbook | 18:35 |
| kanzure | http://micgadget.com/765/shanzhai-phone-pretending-to-be-psp/ | 18:35 |
| kanzure | rise of open source hardware http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/techtrends/2010/110010804.asp | 18:37 |
| bkero | <3 shanzhai | 18:42 |
| Trooem | bonzai | 18:43 |
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| kanzure | what does "についての投稿リンク" translate to? | 22:25 |
| genehacker | post about links | 22:26 |
| genehacker | sounds like a blog or something | 22:27 |
| genehacker | then again this was from google translate so you probably know that | 22:27 |
| Trooem | genehacker you speak japanese? | 22:31 |
| Trooem | oh you dont nvm | 22:34 |
| genehacker | do you? | 22:46 |
| genehacker | hearing about all this shanzhai stuff, I'm contemplating learning chinese | 22:47 |
| genehacker | I think I knew some it once | 22:47 |
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| Trooem | no... i don't i appear to understand some vocabs and read small portion of japanese... | 22:52 |
| Trooem | that's it... | 22:52 |
| Trooem | i should learn a new language... | 22:53 |
| parolang2 | Hmm...I think emacs has a flashcard mode. | 22:53 |
| parolang2 | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FlashCard | 22:54 |
| parolang2 | For learning a new language :) | 22:54 |
| parolang2 | All memorization. | 22:54 |
| parolang2 | There's even a link to Japanese vocabulary deck files :) | 22:58 |
| parolang2 | That's in case you use emacs. Dunno what you use. | 22:58 |
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| Trooem | oh cool man thanks | 23:07 |
| Trooem | didn't know there were online flash cards | 23:07 |
| Trooem | i think i looked for it once and gave it up | 23:08 |
| Trooem | maybe we should form a language-learning group or something | 23:08 |
| Trooem | spend some time learning everyday :) | 23:08 |
| Trooem | test each other, practice. | 23:08 |
| kanzure | http://supermemo.com/ | 23:09 |
| Trooem | cool.. | 23:10 |
| parolang2 | Yeah, the emacs mode is based on the supermemo algorithm. Looks like there's a python GUI program too. | 23:10 |
| parolang2 | http://ichi2.net/anki/ | 23:11 |
| Trooem | nice cool | 23:12 |
| Trooem | do you think a person can learn multiple language at the same time? | 23:12 |
| Trooem | hmm | 23:12 |
| Trooem | is there such softwares? | 23:12 |
| Trooem | showing 1 word into 4 different languages. | 23:12 |
| parolang2 | Trooem: I honestly don't know. I'm monolingual. | 23:14 |
| Trooem | yeah, apparently english became a little too convenient for the whole world. | 23:14 |
| parolang2 | But, if I wanted to learn multiple languages, I would focus on learning one language, attain proficiency, and then pick up a related language. | 23:14 |
| Trooem | i thought so too. but mind doesn't seem to be limited... | 23:15 |
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| Trooem | limits are made on how you study them, not quite the memorization of it.. | 23:15 |
| Trooem | convenience is the problem though.. | 23:15 |
| Trooem | hence the softwares.... | 23:15 |
| parolang2 | Trooem: I think the main limitation isn't learning a language, but keeping proficiency of the language. | 23:15 |
| Trooem | maybe phonics is better than learning through visual words | 23:16 |
| Trooem | and speaking it | 23:16 |
| parolang2 | Technically, I took two semesters of Spanish in high school and received and an A in both. | 23:16 |
| Trooem | how do babies learn to talk without reading after all haha | 23:16 |
| parolang2 | But, I couldn't say that I know Spanish any more than your average person. | 23:16 |
| parolang2 | If you don't use the language you'll lose it. | 23:17 |
| Trooem | yup that's right... | 23:17 |
| Trooem | so how to make the learning more efficient.. | 23:17 |
| Trooem | practical. | 23:17 |
| Trooem | not about knowing a lot of vocabs..... | 23:18 |
| parolang2 | Okay, I don't know what you're aiming at. | 23:18 |
| Trooem | i wasn't asking for a advice... haha but thanks.. | 23:18 |
| Trooem | i'm aiming for 'speaking' | 23:18 |
| Trooem | and 'listening' | 23:18 |
| Trooem | instead 'reading' and 'writing' | 23:19 |
| Trooem | although you need fundamentals on everything. | 23:19 |
| parolang2 | Well, good luck with that. | 23:19 |
| * Trooem need sleep..... | 23:20 | |
| parolang2 | night :) | 23:21 |
| Trooem | :) | 23:21 |
| Trooem | hehhehehhehe | 23:21 |
| Trooem | don't you just wish you can speak every language? | 23:21 |
| Trooem | maybe we can like uploading something to the brain one day. like in the movie matrix. | 23:22 |
| parolang2 | I think it would be cool, but that would require a lot of investment, and it may become a white elephant. | 23:23 |
| parolang2 | Well...we don't have that technology :) | 23:24 |
| Trooem | manual labour here it comes... | 23:24 |
| parolang2 | You talking about your job? | 23:24 |
| Trooem | manual labor of skipping pages on textbooks. learning new languages. :( | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | Giuseppe Caspar Mezzofanti (c.1774-1849) spoke 88 languages. | 23:25 |
| parolang2 | You want rewards without expending effort. | 23:25 |
| Trooem | no man.. | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821-1890) spoke 29 languages. | 23:26 |
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| Trooem | in europe people speak 3-4 language as a standard. | 23:26 |
| Trooem | what i do know is that, people take their potential for granted | 23:26 |
| Trooem | and don't try. | 23:26 |
| Trooem | and i think, | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | I imagine, like any other skill, you could make a career out of it. | 23:26 |
| parolang2 | True. | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | you'd have to be into it though | 23:27 |
| Trooem | people can learn 3-4 languages of similarity at the same time, if organized well. | 23:27 |
| parolang2 | My sense is that in Europe you're surrounded with equal nations that speak different languages. So you have more opportunity to use other languages, and the use of another language is also useful. | 23:28 |
| parolang2 | That doesn't seem to be the case in the USA. | 23:28 |
| Trooem | definetly. | 23:28 |
| QuantumG | meh, it's about seeking out other languages | 23:28 |
| Trooem | it's still one's own damn 'vault' for not finding a way :P | 23:28 |
| QuantumG | making friends with people for the sole reason that you can talk to them in another language. | 23:29 |
| Trooem | nah but for a purpose, | 23:29 |
| Trooem | of joint ventures. | 23:29 |
| parolang2 | Are you American QuantumG? | 23:29 |
| Trooem | it's worth it. | 23:29 |
| QuantumG | Australian | 23:29 |
| parolang2 | QuantumG: Then you're probably in the same boat. There aren | 23:30 |
| parolang2 | QuantumG: Then you're probably in the same boat. There aren't a lot of people speaking other languages. | 23:30 |
| parolang2 | Unless you mean online, which is an option. For instance, I know there's a japanese channel on freenode for learning jp. | 23:31 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I dispute your claim that people who learn lots of languages do it out of perceived necessity | 23:31 |
| parolang2 | Well, usefulness, not really necessity. | 23:31 |
| QuantumG | its done for the same reason people learn everything about trains | 23:31 |
| parolang2 | Using a language to talk to a friend is an example of usefulness, but not really necessity. | 23:31 |
| QuantumG | .. and can tell you every detail of train trivia | 23:32 |
| QuantumG | .. and you'll typically find them hanging out on trains or building model trains | 23:32 |
| parolang2 | QuantumG: I was refering to Trooem comment about Europeans knowing 3 or 4 languages. | 23:32 |
| parolang2 | Why that isn't typical in the USA. | 23:32 |
| parolang2 | You're talking about atypical cases, which is fine; but that's a different point, and I agree with you. For a lot of people learning another language is a hobby. | 23:33 |
| QuantumG | yup | 23:33 |
| QuantumG | got ya | 23:33 |
| parolang2 | :) | 23:34 |
| Trooem | language is the world they say. it's not just about speaking it and communicating. the gestures, perspectives, values, even entire senses change with learning a new language. | 23:34 |
| Trooem | i think it's amazing... | 23:34 |
| parolang2 | For me, if I had the discipline and time to learn another language, I would probably be better off learning other things. | 23:35 |
| QuantumG | the ability of children to acquire language is still one of the great mysteries in science. | 23:35 |
| Trooem | everyone has different calling :) | 23:35 |
| parolang2 | Well, caution also that learning another language, like traveling or reading philosophy, of often pursued to mimic the activities of the upper echelons of society. | 23:36 |
| parolang2 | QuantumG: yeah | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if life-logging could help | 23:38 |
| Trooem | if learning african is going to get me a piece of diamond i think i'd learn it hahaha | 23:38 |
| parolang2 | Logging everything you do? | 23:39 |
| parolang2 | Wikipedia seems to imply that it involves video recording everything you do ala Steve Mann and Jenny Cam. | 23:40 |
| QuantumG | ya.. if you had wearable cameras with microphones on both the parents and the children for the first 3 years of life, that would not only allow you to capture those first words but also the stimuli that influenced them | 23:41 |
| parolang2 | ah | 23:41 |
| * Trooem is suffering from insomnia... | 23:45 | |
| parolang2 | caffiene? | 23:45 |
| parolang2 | 23:45 | |
| * Trooem drank lot of soda.. maybe it had caffein.. | 23:45 | |
| Trooem | does sprite have caffein | 23:45 |
| QuantumG | nope | 23:46 |
| parolang2 | Not sprite. | 23:46 |
| Trooem | how about pepsi | 23:46 |
| QuantumG | Dr Pepper does (in the US) | 23:46 |
| parolang2 | Sugar can do it too. Also, try not to think :) | 23:46 |
| QuantumG | yeah, pepsi does | 23:46 |
| parolang2 | Pepsi does. | 23:46 |
| Trooem | that must be it... | 23:46 |
| parolang2 | Thinking will keep me up at night. Have to turn it off :) | 23:46 |
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