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| kanzure | hello Noahj | 11:15 |
| Noahj | Hey | 11:16 |
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| ybit | kanzure: i think it's hopeless of you to try and steer people away from creating yet another mailing list :P | 13:42 |
| ybit | it's going to happen | 13:42 |
| ybit | insurance, this is something i haven't thought about | 13:43 |
| ybit | is it really needed? | 13:44 |
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| ybit | http://apps.asterisq.com/mentionmap/#hashtag-openmanufacturing | 13:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | the problem is: insurance won't stop you from dying, else it may be worth it | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's a twitter url? i have twitter blocked | 13:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | btw, /me waves hi up to to ybit | 13:55 |
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| kanzure | hello GNUtoo | 14:00 |
| kanzure | ybit: insurance is necessary if you don't want to be sued to oblivion by insurance companies | 14:01 |
| GNUtoo | hi,what is this channel about? a free software calculator? | 14:01 |
| kanzure | no | 14:01 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 14:01 |
| kanzure | ybit: the problem is that if someone gets hurt in your shop, and they have insurance, the insurance will pay them their money; but, the insurance company will sue you | 14:01 |
| GNUtoo | I'm curious...someone mentioned the channel and so I wondered what it was about | 14:01 |
| kanzure | we do open source hardware and transhuman tech | 14:02 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 14:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | so you need minimal insurance from each and every company, effectively bribing them, so they think twice about sueing themselves? | 14:04 |
| kanzure | hah | 14:05 |
| kanzure | that would be interesting | 14:05 |
| kanzure | but very expensive | 14:05 |
| ybit | hi katsmeow-afk, weathering the storms? | 14:05 |
| ybit | hi GNUtoo, bienvenido | 14:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | it was warmer outside at midnite 12hrs ago than now, we got no weather cept rain | 14:06 |
| GNUtoo | hi | 14:07 |
| ybit | why not just make a parent responsible for a child's actions, having each person under 18 years of age (or whatever age is considered an adult for your state) have a parent with them | 14:09 |
| kanzure | it doesn't matter if it's a child or not | 14:09 |
| ybit | GNUtoo: is with kristianpaul, part of the effort to create a hackerspace in colombia | 14:09 |
| kristianpaul | is not the only one btw | 14:10 |
| ybit | oh | 14:10 |
| kristianpaul | there are others (2) | 14:10 |
| ybit | who? | 14:10 |
| kristianpaul | in bogota and medellin | 14:10 |
| ybit | ah | 14:10 |
| kristianpaul | also a dorkbot | 14:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | most parents treat kids as disposable, or assign them too much or too little responcibility, and don't get upset untilt hey haveto replace the kid | 14:10 |
| GNUtoo | ybit, I'm just a friend of kristianpaul ...but I live in italy | 14:10 |
| ybit | nice | 14:11 |
| GNUtoo | I think I was the one who had the idea of the logo of his hackerspace | 14:11 |
| kristianpaul | yes he desing it and jsut fixed it a bit | 14:11 |
| kristianpaul | designed* | 14:11 |
| ybit | how does insurance protect a hackerspace? i have little exp in dealing with insurance | 14:12 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 14:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's an umbrella, don't you watch tv? | 14:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | you pay off the insurance co to take the financial hit in case some dope gets wound up in a lathe and sues you | 14:13 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: not enough apparently | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | or tapes the emergency stop switches over and gets his paws chopped off | 14:13 |
| ybit | but why not just make them sign a waiver saying that they are fully aware that they may die and are willing to deal with that | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | or dropps into a chute feeding a shredder becaouse he climbed the railings | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | because the waiver may be contested in court by surviving family of the gov | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | or the gov | 14:14 |
| kanzure | you think your little 2-page waiver is going to stop a man who had his hand cut off from suing the fuck out of you? | 14:14 |
| kanzure | =] | 14:15 |
| kanzure | i'm not trying to do scaremongering here. insurance is brutal | 14:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | or the building inspector approved the railing spacing, but thent he law was changed and you weren't notified, and some kid's dog sqeezes thru and dies, and they sue you for 20 yrs of god companionship ($1,000,000) | 14:15 |
| ybit | i don't the waiver will prevent them from suing but it's proof that they knew the risks | 14:15 |
| ybit | +think | 14:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | nope, "mental state" | 14:16 |
| ybit | fuck | 14:16 |
| ybit | insurance is expensive, no? | 14:16 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 14:16 |
| kristianpaul | even more for us | 14:16 |
| ybit | :\ | 14:17 |
| kristianpaul | i think | 14:17 |
| kristianpaul | the risk is high | 14:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's happened, wife goes into shooting range, ex-husband does too, both are adults and check out a gun, sign paperwork, ex then shoots wife or self | 14:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | happened 2x in Fla in 09, iirc | 14:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | shooting range gets sued, legal expenses thru the roof, insurance or not, the cost is extreme | 14:18 |
| ybit | haha, i just remembered, kanzure, you were in my dreams last night, we were roaming through my imaginary version of your college and there was a group/class that would link up with each other with a device to read each others minds, another class was diybio and then there was some church which my friend parted from us so that he could proclaim diybio evil because it wasn't right for us to tinker with "god's creatures", "they were making bacteria glow!" a | 14:20 |
| ybit | thanks for the conversation on insurance, god this sucks | 14:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh | 14:23 |
| ybit | geez, it's taken over 24 hours to transfer about 50GB over my network | 14:23 |
| ybit | it's not even half-way through | 14:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | 86megabytes/hr? ouch | 14:24 |
| ybit | too many torrent i suppose | 14:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | what's torent got to do with your network? | 14:24 |
| ybit | my comp can only read so many bytes sent its way, i've got 2 rsync instancesand two wget --mirror instances | 14:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh,, err, i guess i confused "your lan" with "your isp" | 14:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | when you said "my network" | 14:27 |
| ybit | nope, i meant my network | 14:27 |
| ybit | this computer is connected via wifi | 14:28 |
| ybit | the server is running slow right now, and both computers have torrents being transferred | 14:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have 4 puters on the 100megabit router to the internet, 9 are on the gigabit switched lan OFF the internet, the 9 can move data in a big hurry (after i hacked up winxp , that is), while those puters onthe router gets data slowly | 14:29 |
| ybit | yeah, i don't have that | 14:30 |
| ybit | i'll trade you though | 14:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh | 14:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have wgets running on all the puters on the router, other stuff on the 9 behind the switch | 14:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | what i have done is try to ensure no wget is actually hitting the net at the same time as others | 14:32 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: check out google.com/trends and narrow results to alabama, one of the first things you will notice is that there isn't enough search volume for 'intelligence' in alabama for it to give results :P | 14:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | it takes intelligence to know intelligence, and there isn't any in Alabama, but we have known that a loooong time, haven't we? | 14:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | ooo, a Vic20 for $14 | 14:36 |
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| ybit | but there's plenty for sports and whatnot, my city ranks at #3 for queries on ubuntu and linux, #2 for twitter, #4 for facebook, #3 for apartment(s) surprisingly since there is huntsville, tuscaloosa, auburn, birmingham, and gulf shores. it would almost be interesting to throw a dictionary at it and chart the results, e.g. we are #3 in searches for devil, #4 for death #6 for jesus, so that tells you a little bit about the area. we are #1 for movie(s) #1 | 14:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | you got truncated | 14:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | we are #1 for movie(s) #1 ____________________ | 14:44 |
| ybit | superkuh: if i'm hitting your server too hard, let me know, i can reduce the bandWIDTH | 14:44 |
| ybit | #1 for conan, nowhere on the charts for some phrases like rocket(s). alabama doesn't have enough search quueries for terms like nanotechnology, open source, robotics. we are #4 for marijuana and #5 for pot | 14:44 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: ^ | 14:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | irc truncates ~450 chars, depending on channelname length and your nick lengths and phase of the moon | 14:45 |
| * ybit did not know this | 14:45 | |
| katsmeow-afk | seriously? | 14:45 |
| ybit | a decent irc client should prevent you from worrying about it | 14:46 |
| ybit | i.e. it should break the message up | 14:46 |
| ybit | ..before sending | 14:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | the client would haveto rearrange your input then, to multiple irc transmissions, that's sorta like interferring | 14:46 |
| ybit | i wouldn't mind | 14:46 |
| ybit | i think that's the way konversation works | 14:47 |
| fenn | your client is stupid | 14:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | depends on what words got broken off the sentence and OOC'd | 14:48 |
| fenn | mine stops typing before it cuts off | 14:48 |
| ybit | fenn: i'm using irssi :P | 14:48 |
| ybit | ..and weechat | 14:48 |
| fenn | me too; you must have broken it | 14:48 |
| ybit | haha, doubt it, perhaps the ubuntu package maintainers did though :) | 14:49 |
| ybit | if you're using a long-distance (or i guess even a short-distance) wide-area laser sensor, how might you determine where the object being detected is located? | 14:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | measure where it's pointed and transit time | 14:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | do maths | 14:56 |
| ybit | duh | 14:56 |
| ybit | thanks :) | 14:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't understand the question? | 14:56 |
| ybit | i've yet to find a long-distance laser sensor that i would consider long distance | 14:57 |
| ybit | they're all roughly 1000mm | 14:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | check .mil sites | 14:57 |
| fenn | 1000mm or 1000m? | 14:58 |
| fenn | keyword is 'laser range finder' or 'lidar' | 14:58 |
| ybit | http://www.keyence.com.sg/products/sensors/laser/lvh42/lvh42.php 1000mm | 14:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, that's 16bit accuracy too | 15:00 |
| fenn | thats industrial control crap | 15:01 |
| fenn | for watching cookie dough height or whatever | 15:02 |
| fenn | mmm cookie dough | 15:02 |
| * fenn drools | 15:02 | |
| ybit | the idea is to control the skies above your lot, you can measure an objects projected path with multiple sensor layers, but i just don't see any which have a decent range | 15:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | why use laser, and not cameras? | 15:06 |
| ybit | higher accuracy | 15:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | zoom lens, triangulation | 15:07 |
| ybit | i thnk you got me there | 15:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | my lot's corner distances are 800, 820, 1200 feet, wide area for accuracy, pisses me off that the #$%&#% neighbor and his gods stopped me from DOING it for 10 yrs | 15:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | i even ran a steel beam down from the roof centerline steel beam to the footer for catapult launches off the roof deck (the open slot in the roof profile is 30ft off the ground too) | 15:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wanted to use the air space above me, it's tween the Bham and local airport atc zones, it's not covered by restrictive faa rules like approach zones | 15:12 |
| * katsmeow-afk points sadly to the twin single piston baby gas engines she got just for uav | 15:12 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno which part of this is scarier: | 15:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | At least three US oil companies were the target of a series of previously undisclosed cyberattacks that ... focused on one of the crown jewels of the industry: valuable "bid data" detailing the quantity, value, and location of oil discoveries worldwide, ... which occurred in 2008, until the FBI alerted them | 15:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | ... Federal officials told the companies proprietary information had been flowing out... included e-mail passwords, messages, and other information tied to executives with access to proprietary exploration and discovery information | 15:27 |
| JayDugger | Good afternoon, all. | 15:38 |
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| kanzure | http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/open-design-water-purification-system&usg=AFQjCNE-8XbY8qOl5IWpeliU01c2WjdwBA | 16:28 |
| kanzure | er | 16:28 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/open-design-water-purification-system | 16:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | do we know Ireton ? | 16:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | the restrictions listed in the box on http://www.lifewater.ca/Appendix_K.htm are false, every one of those can be gotten around | 16:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | easily | 16:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | "Galvanized rod is commonly used for the pump rod. Reinforced steel can be used but it is likely to rust." wtf is "reinforced steel" ? | 16:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | "The wood bearing works best if it is first soaked with oil" oil? in a rural area wher the yearly income is $1? hell, lube it with tallow, animal fats | 16:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | idiots | 16:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | "The best solution to the water problem is the same one you benefit from every day: chlorination." can you say "cloramines" ? what about ozone as a disinfectant? or using the thermal sun power directly and simply boil the water? | 16:39 |
| fenn | well this is interesting. lifeboat.com wants me on their scientific advisory board | 16:39 |
| fenn | some pretty awesome people on this list: http://lifeboat.com/ex/boards | 16:39 |
| * katsmeow-afk sighs | 16:40 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i am building an *actual* boat because of humans, lifeboat.com has even less impact on my life | 16:41 |
| * fenn is disappointed to see no "zombie apocalypse" working group | 16:42 | |
| katsmeow-afk | you pretty much haveto buy clorine, but if you have electricity you can make ozone anywhere | 16:44 |
| fenn | don't even need "electricity" per se | 16:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's handy tho | 16:46 |
| fenn | how does ozone do against parasitic cysts? | 16:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | pumps to move the ozone, etc | 16:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | not much gets to cysts, evaporation works tho | 16:47 |
| fenn | hmm google says it works well on giardia | 16:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | in super doses? | 16:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | ah, kool | 16:48 |
| fenn | so katsmeow-afk are you going to be eating fish every day or do you plan to stop in at ports and buy food? | 16:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | buy, grow, whichever works best per item | 16:50 |
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| fenn | because tap water is pretty cheap | 16:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | so is dirty tap water | 16:50 |
| fenn | meaning what? | 16:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | meaning you don't know if the water you just bought is bad till you have a tank contaminated by it | 16:51 |
| fenn | hm ok | 16:51 |
| fenn | i guess your water supply could have other stuff in it too, like PCB's or heavy metals | 16:51 |
| fenn | how would you know? | 16:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | things like red tides do bother me, because the water could be deadly and be untestable, same for diseases in some localised fish popul;ations | 16:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | evaporation leaves metals, cysts, etc behind | 16:52 |
| fenn | PCB's and pesticides co-distill (unless you use a fractionation column) | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | and evaporated water before it hits the filters will prolong the life of reverse osmosis systems | 16:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: lifeboat.com wants everyone and their dog on their "advisory" board | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | that is, the less contaminants the reverse osmosis sytems haveto deal with, the longer they last | 16:54 |
| kanzure | but it never hurts to say you're on a board with xyz | 16:54 |
| fenn | kanzure: well there's a high proportion people i've heard of and don't suck | 16:54 |
| kanzure | sure | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | is nickserv down? | 17:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's split | 17:07 |
| kanzure | that doesn't explain 15SAAAADI | 17:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn may know | 17:08 |
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| kanzure | i like this: | 18:07 |
| kanzure | http://buzzdev.org/download/Other/Music/TakeMeHigher_by_buzz_lightyear.rar | 18:08 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/buzz_lightyear/TakeMeHigher_by_buzz_lightyear.rar | 18:08 |
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| kanzure | "hi bryan, i am a member of your diybio mailing list" heh | 18:11 |
| kanzure | http://synbi.org/ | 18:12 |
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| genehacker | http://www.edutube.org/en/video/solid-lighter-air-seagel-aerogel | 18:19 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAgel | 18:21 |
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| QuantumG | and that secret program the video was alluding to? Mockingbird. | 18:22 |
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| ybit | http://www.foresightlinux.org/five-reasons-to-use-foresight-linux/ | 19:00 |
| ybit | http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary | 19:01 |
| ybit | would be nice to see ubuntu incorporate something like this by default | 19:01 |
| ybit | http://www.nexenta.org/os/TransactionalZFSUpgrades | 19:06 |
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| genehacker | the secret program was mockingbird | 19:20 |
| genehacker | cool | 19:20 |
| kanzure | does anyone have Harris Perlman's latest Arthritis & Rheumatism paper on BH3 mimetics and Bim? | 19:40 |
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| kanzure | i'm trying to get openkollab to fund pinkarmy | 21:26 |
| kanzure | and through this have an application of open source hardware.. | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 21:59 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 21:59 |
| kanzure | anything new? | 21:59 |
| thesnark | yeah, we bought the emotiv for hardware | 21:59 |
| kanzure | ew | 21:59 |
| kanzure | why | 21:59 |
| thesnark | because it's a matter of rewriting firmware instead of developing a whole system | 21:59 |
| kanzure | how's it doing? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | how many channels? | 22:00 |
| thesnark | well we ordered it today | 22:00 |
| thesnark | 16 | 22:00 |
| kanzure | ah | 22:00 |
| thesnark | but it turns out | 22:00 |
| thesnark | the reason the emotiv is a pos right now is because the devs locked the ability to get raw data from the device | 22:00 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:00 |
| thesnark | but if we rewrite firmware for this one chip | 22:00 |
| thesnark | we can get raw data from it | 22:00 |
| thesnark | we already have the programmer and SDK for the chip | 22:01 |
| thesnark | fyi "mouse emulator" is an emotiv app | 22:01 |
| kanzure | PIC? AVR? | 22:01 |
| thesnark | it's a pic | 22:01 |
| thesnark | so I don't think focussing on one screen with the eeg should even necessarily be difficult | 22:02 |
| thesnark | I think it will be very doable | 22:02 |
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| kanzure | hello skbohra | 22:02 |
| skbohra | kanzure: hello | 22:02 |
| kanzure | what brings you around? | 22:02 |
| skbohra | I am an engineering student, interested in open hardware stuff | 22:02 |
| kanzure | excellent | 22:03 |
| kanzure | your biological and technological distinguishments will be assimilated and added to our own | 22:03 |
| thesnark | haha | 22:03 |
| kanzure | i'm serious :( | 22:03 |
| skbohra | lol :D | 22:03 |
| thesnark | serious or not, it's funny | 22:03 |
| kanzure | :) | 22:04 |
| skbohra | i am kind of scared | 22:04 |
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| skbohra | kanzure: what you people talk about here ? | 22:05 |
| genehacker | don't worry, the assimilation process is (mostly) painless | 22:05 |
| genehacker | what type of engineering | 22:05 |
| genehacker | ME here | 22:06 |
| skbohra | Information Technology | 22:06 |
| kanzure | skbohra: transhuman tech, open source hardware, diybio, world domination | 22:06 |
| skbohra | perfect | 22:06 |
| thesnark | kanzure once you possess the world, what will you do with it? | 22:06 |
| genehacker | have you heard of the Gada prize? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | to be honest i didn't think i'd get that far | 22:07 |
| kanzure | so, uhh | 22:07 |
| genehacker | http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php | 22:09 |
| genehacker | I want to form a team to win it | 22:09 |
| thesnark | hah, I wonder if IRC is the right place to do that :) | 22:10 |
| kanzure | hahah $20k | 22:10 |
| kanzure | if you build it, it's worth whatever you want.. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | has anyone seen this? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.vestergaard-frandsen.com/lifestraw.htm | 22:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 22:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | once clogged with the mud floating in the water, they are waste | 22:31 |
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| kanzure | http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/32765 | 22:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.nanotech-now.com/MIT-release-09302003.htm | 22:36 |
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| kanzure | dave knows these peeps: http://dnatrix.com/ | 22:46 |
| kanzure | sounds like pinkarmy without the open source fanboyism | 22:46 |
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| kanzure | so.. where did that nick come from | 22:49 |
| fenn | 17:05 [freenode] -!- 15SAAAADI Nick collision, forcing nick change to your unique ID | 22:49 |
| fenn | something to do with the netsplit or whaever that was | 22:50 |
| superkuh | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477708/ - "Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure on Health of Taiwan Residents..." - "cancer mortality rate of the exposed population is only about 3 percent of the cancer mortality rate of the general public" | 22:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | "honey, did you volunteer us for that study?" | 22:58 |
| superkuh | ~10k sample size with no volunteers. Cobalt-60 was "serendipitous"ly mixed into recycled steel and made into 180 buildings. | 23:01 |
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| katsmeow-afk | like the uranium sold with scrap steel in he usa a few decades back | 23:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | so was there increased medical cost associated with 3% increase in cancer deaths? | 23:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | i seem to recall a kiln in Mexico made some clay pots for sale in the usa with radioactivity in he glaze, decades ago | 23:04 |
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| superkuh | katsmeow-afk: No. It was a 97% decrease in cancer deaths in the irradiated population. I feel kind of foolish now though because there was a second study that invalidated the results. | 23:11 |
| superkuh | http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/09553000601085980 | 23:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | wait,, working in an irradiated building lowered the rate of cancer deaths by 97% ? | 23:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | [23:11] <superkuh> katsmeow-afk: No. It was a 97% decrease in cancer deaths in the irradiated population. <<== i do not see this in the abstract | 23:15 |
| superkuh | Read the abstract of the faulty paper again. You misread it. | 23:17 |
| superkuh | "On the contrary, the incidence of cancer deaths in this population was greatly reduced—to about 3 per cent of the incidence of spontaneous cancer death in the general Taiwan public." | 23:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | we are seeing different pages, ding a word search on the page, the word "contrary" isn't present, and the word "on" appears only in the phrase "On the other hand," | 23:21 |
| superkuh | Then you are looking at the second link? That is of the paper that pointed out the bad controls for age in the first paper and found the above discussed effect doesn't exist. | 23:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh | 23:25 |
| superkuh | Sorry for the confusion. I shouldn't have posted the first link before I finished reading. | 23:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | np | 23:26 |
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| ybit | skbohra: if you would like to know what we talk about, try this.. | 23:27 |
| ybit | !logs | 23:27 |
| hplusbot | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 23:27 |
| skbohra | ybit: thanks | 23:28 |
| ybit | np | 23:28 |
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